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This will explain all we need to know on The Permissibility of Music in Islam

Ibn Mas`ud (may Allah be pleased with him) used to swear by Allah that the ayah "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah . . .” referred to singing. Abu ‘Amir and Abu Malik al-Ash`ari (may Allah be pleased with them) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Among my Ummah will be those who make permissible al-hira (adultery), silk, khamr and musical instruments . . .” (Reported by al-Bukhari; see al-Fath, 10/51).


Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “In this Ummah there will be punishments of earthquakes, showers of stones and deformity (transformation into animals); that will be when the people drink khamr, listen to female singers and play musical instruments.” (See al-Silsilah as-Saheehah, 2203; attributed to Ibn Abid-Dunya, Dhamm al-Malahi; the hadith was narrated by at-Tirmidhi, no. 2212).


Here is the clarification for that in the light of fatwa issued by Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi:

The whole issue of singing is controversial, whether it is with musical accompaniment or not. Some issues succeeded to gain the Muslim scholars’ agreement, while others failed. All scholars have unanimous view on the prohibition of all forms of singing and music that incites debauchery, indecency, or sin. As for musical instruments, given the weakness of the evidence indicating that they are forbidden, the rule to be applied here is the one states that all things are originally deemed permissible as long as there is no Shari`ah text that prohibits them.

Singing is no more than melodious words; if these are good, singing is considered good; but if they are bad, such singing is deemed bad. Talk that contains forbidden content is prohibited. What if that talk is accompanied with rhythm and melody?

Scholars agree on the permissibility of singing without instrumental accompaniment and where the content is not prohibited. This sort of singing is allowed only in certain occasions such as: weddings, feasts, welcoming a traveler, and the like. This is based on the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) that states: “He (peace and blessings be upon him) asked, ‘Have you given the girl (i.e., the bride) anything as a present?’ They (the attendants) replied, ‘Yes.’ He asked, 'Did you send a singer along with her?' 'No', said `A'ishah. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) then said, 'The Ansar are a people who love poetry. You should have sent along someone who would sing: Here we come, to you we come, greet us as we greet you.'" In this case, we can say that a woman can sing only in front of women and her non-marriageable male kin.

In the subject of musical instruments, scholars disagree on the matter. Some of them permit all sorts of singing, be it accompanied with musical instruments or not, and even consider it recommended.

A second group of scholars permit singing only when is not accompanied with a musical instrument.

A third group declare it to be prohibited whether it be accompanied with a musical instrument or not; they even consider it as a major sin. In supporting their view, they cite the hadith narrated by Imam Al-Bukhari on the authority of Abu Malik or Abu `Amir Al-Ash`ari (doubt from the sub-narrator) that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, 'From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk (clothes), the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful.' Although this hadith is in Sahih Al-Bukhari, its chain of transmission is not connected to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and this invalidates its authenticity. Ibn Hazm rejects it for that very reason. Moreover, the sub-narrator, Hisham Ibn `Ammar is declared ‘weak’ by many scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology.
Besides, this hadith does not clearly prohibit the use of musical instruments, for the phrase 'consider as lawful,' according to Ibn Al-`Arabi, has two distinct meanings:

First: Such people think all these (the things mentioned) are lawful.

Second: They exceed the proper limits that should be observed in using these instruments. If the first meaning is intended, such people would be thus disbelievers.

In fact, the hadith in hand dispraises the manners of a group of people who indulge themselves in luxuries, drinking alcohol and listening to music. Therefore, Ibn Majah narrates this hadith from Abu Malik Al-Ash`ari in the following wording: "From among my followers there will be some people who will drink wine, giving it other names while they listen to musical instruments and the singing of female singers; Allah the Almighty will make the earth swallow them and will turn them into monkeys and pigs.” (Reported by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih)

Conclusion on Permissibility of Musical Instruments

In the light of the above, it is clear that the religious texts that stand as a basis for those who maintain that singing is haram are either ambiguous or inauthentic. None of the hadiths attributed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is valid as evidence on the judgment of prohibition. Moreover, all these hadiths are declared ‘weak’ by the followers of Ibn Hazm, Malik, Ibn Hanbal, and Ash-Shafi`i.

In his book, Al-Ahkam, Al-Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi says, “None of the hadiths maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic (by the scholars of the Science of Hadith Methodology).” The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn An-Nahwi in Al-`Umdah. Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these Hadiths was proved to be authentic.”

Ibn Hazm says, “All the hadiths narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”

Proofs of Those Who Maintain that Singing is Halal:

First: The Textual Proofs:

They base their argument on some authentic hadiths of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). One of these hadiths is the following:

`A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) narrated: “Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him, came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Bu`ath (a story about the pre-Islamic war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Awus). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) laid down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, ‘Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)?’ Thereupon, Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) turned his face towards him and said, ‘Leave them.’ When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled to those girls to go out and they left.” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

This indicates that these two girls were not so young as claimed by some scholars. If they were, Abu Bakr would not have been angry with them in such manner. In addition, in this hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to teach the Jews that Islam has room for merriment and that he himself was sent with a moderate and flexible legislation. There is also another important lesson to learn here. It draws our attention to the fact that one needs to introduce Islam to others in a good fashion, along with displaying its moderateness and magnanimity.

Moreover, we can also cite as corroborating this Allah’s words that read, “But when they spy some merchandise or pastime they break away to it and leave thee standing. Say: That which Allah hath is better than pastime and than merchandise, and Allah is the best of providers.” (Al-Jumu`ah: 11)

In this verse, Allah Almighty joins pastime with merchandise. He does not dispraise any of them, He just only rebuked the Companions who left Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone giving the khutbah (Friday Sermon), when they all rushed to attend to the caravan and beating of the drums celebrating its arrival.

Second: In Respect of Islam’s Spirit and Basics:

It is a fact that Allah had prohibited for the Children of Israel some of the good things of this worldly life as a punishment for their misdeeds.

He says, “Because of the wrongdoing of the Jews, We forbade them good things which were (before) made lawful unto them, and because of their much hindering from Allah's way. And of their taking usury when they were forbidden it, and of their devouring people's wealth by false pretences. We have prepared for those of them who disbelieve a painful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 160-161)

Before sending Prophet Muhammad, He Almighty referred to him in the earlier scriptures as, “Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul.” (Al-A`raf: 157)

Thus, Islam left nothing good or sound but declared it to be halal (lawful). This is a sign of mercy to this Ummah (nation or community), moving along the line of its comprehensive and eternal message. Allah Almighty says, “They ask you (O Muhammad) what is made lawful for them. Say: (all) good things are made lawful for you.” (Al-Ma’idah: 4)

If we are to delve deeply into this matter, we will find that love for singing and melodic voices are almost a human instinct. We can observe an infant lying in his cradle soothed and sleeping by the sound of a lullaby. Mothers and nannies are always in the habit of singing for babies and children. Moreover, birds and animals respond to nice voices and rhythmic melodies.

Thereupon, if singing is thus a human instinct, it is not for Islam to defy humankind’s instincts. Islam came to refine and promote the human instinct. Ibn Taymyiah says, “Prophets were sent to polish and discipline man’s instinct and not to change or modify it.” This is pursuant to the hadith that reads, “When Allah’s Messenger came to Madinah, he found them (i.e., the people of Madinah) celebrating two days. He said, ‘What are these days?’ They replied, ‘We used to rejoice in these days during the pre-Islamic era.’ He (peace and blessings be upon him) said, ‘Verily, Allah Almighty has given you two alternative days which are much better: these are Al-Adha and Al-Fitr days (`Eids).’” (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Dawud and An-Nasa’i)

Moreover, if singing is to be considered rejoicing and play, these are not haram; this is in pursuant to the famous idea that man needs some time to relax a bit and rejoice. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said to Hanzalah who thought himself to be a hypocrite for his attendance to his wife and children and the change that affected him when he was apart from Allah’s Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), “O Hanzalah! Part of your time should be devoted (to the worldly affairs) and part of time (should be devoted to prayer and meditation).” (Reported by Muslim)

`Ali Ibn Abu Talib says, “Amuse yourselves for some time, for if hearts are exposed to too much strain, they turn blind.”

Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “I refresh myself with some amusement in order to make myself stronger on the path of right.”

Imam Al-Ghazali answered someone who asked him: “Isn't singing some kind of play and rejoice?” He said, “Yes. But, all that exists in this present life is mere play and rejoice. All that takes place between a husband and his wife is play, except sexual intercourse that is the direct cause of reproducing children. This has been reported from Allah’s Messenger and his honorable Companions.”

In fact, leisure time is refreshing to the heart and alleviates its tensions at the same time. Excessive strain and efforts render the heart bored and blind. Amusing the self refreshes and renews its strength and vigor. One who continuously works hard at something should take a break for a while in order to restore and regain his energy and firm will lest he totally collapses in future. When one takes a break, he thus restores his strength and vigor. Only Prophets can stand absolute seriousness. Having leisure time is a form of treatment for diseases of the self, weariness and boredom. But, leisure should not be excessive. This will go against the whole issue of rejoicing hearts to make them able to go on.

One who is familiar with and experienced in the nature of the human heart and self knows for certain that recreation and relaxation are necessary treatments for one’s well-being.

These proofs on the permissibility of singing are extracted from the texts and rules of Islam, and these are sufficient to clarify the issue.

In addition to this, the people of Madinah, who were very pious and God-fearing, the Zahiriyyah, who were very literal regarding the textual proofs, and the Sufis, who were very strict and rigid, were all quoted to have declared the permissibility of singing.

Imam Ash-Shawkani says in his book “Nayl Al-Awtar”, “The people of Madinah and those who agreed with them from among the Zahiriyyah and the Sufis maintain that singing is permissible, even when it is accompanied by a musical instrument such as the lute or the flute. Abu Mansur Al-Bughdadi Ash-Shafi`i narrate that `Abdullah Ibn Ja`far saw nothing wrong in singing, and he, himself, used to compose the music for his own slaves who used to sing these melodies in his presence. This took place during the time of Commander of the Faithful, `Ali Ibn Abi Talib. Abu Ja`far Al-Bughdadi narrates the same after Al-Qadi Shurayh, Sa`id Ibn Al-Musaiyb, `Ata’ Ibn Abu Rabah, Az-Zuhri and Ash-Shi`bi.”

Ar-Ruwaiyani narrates on the authority of Al-Qaffal that Malik Ibn Anas maintained that singing with musical instruments is permissible. Also, Abu Mansur Al-Furani quotes Malik as maintaining that playing the flute is permissible.

Abu Al-Fadl Ibn Tahir narrates, “The people of Madinah never disputed over the permissibility of playing the lute.”

Ibn An-Nahwi narrates in his “Al-`Umdah”: “Ibn Tahir said, ‘The people of Madinah showed consensus over this (issue). Also, all the Zahiriyyah maintained the same.'”

Al-Mawardi attributes the permissibility of playing the lute to some of the Shafi`i followers and students. This has been narrated also by Abu Al-Fadl Ibn Tahir after Abu Ishaq Ash-Shirazi; and it is narrated by Al-Isnawi after Ar-Ruwaiyani and Al-Mawardi. Again, this is narrated by Al-Adfuwi after Sheikh `Izz Ad-Deen Ibn `Abd As-Salam. It is also narrated after Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi.

All these scholars consider singing that is accompanied by musical instruments permissible, but as for singing that is not accompanied by musical instruments, Al-Adfuwi says, “In some of his jurisprudence-related books, Al-Ghazali narrates the consensus of the scholars on its permissibility." Also, Ibn Tahir narrates the consensus of the Prophet’s Companions and those who succeeded them on this very topic. Ibn An-Nahwi states in Al-`Umdah that singing and listening was deemed permissible by a group of the Companions and the Followers.

Conditions and Terms:

There are some conditions and terms that should be observed regarding listening to singing, as follows:

1. Not all sorts of singing are permissible. Rather, the permissible song should comply with the Islamic teachings and ethics. Therefore, the songs praising the tyrants and corrupt rulers disagree with Islamic teachings. In fact, Islam stands against transgressors and their allies, and those who show indifference to their transgression. So, the same goes for those songs that imply giving praises to such attitude!

2. Also, the way the song is performed weighs so much. The theme of the song may be good, but the performance of the singer – through intending excitement and arousing others’ lusts and desires along with trying to seduce them – may move it to the area of prohibition, suspicion or even detest. The Glorious Qur’an addresses the wives of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) saying, “O you wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech." (Al-Ahzab: 32) So, one has to show caution to music when there is softness of speech accompanied with rhyme, melody, and special effects!

3. Singing should not be accompanied with something that is prohibited such as alcohol, unclothedness, mixing of men with women that is common in pubs and nightclubs, etc.

4. Islam has declared excessiveness as prohibited in everything. The same goes for excessiveness in leisure and recreation even though these things are permissible ! This indicates that the emptiness of the mind and heart has to be observed and tackled during man’s short-term life. One should know that Allah Almighty will ask every one about his life and his youth in particular.

There are some things in which one is to be his own judge and Mufti. If there is some kind of singing that arouses his own lust or desire, and takes him away from the real life, he should avoid it then and block that very gate from which the winds of trial and seduction may come and erase his religion, morals and heart. If he does this, he will live in peace and tranquility.

Warning against playing with the word “haram”

To conclude, we address the respectful scholars who tackle the word “haram” easily and set it free in their writings and fatwas that they should observe that Allah is watching over them in all that they say or do. They should also know that this word “haram” is very dangerous. It means that Allah’s Punishment is due on a certain act or saying, and should not be based upon guessing, whims, weak Hadiths, not even through an old book. It has to be supported by a clear, well-established text or valid consensus. If these last two are not found, then we revert the given act or saying to the original rule: "permissibility governing things". We do have a good example to follow from one of our earlier pious scholars. Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: “It was not the habit of those who preceded us, the early pious Muslims, who set good example for the following generations, to say, 'This is halal, and this is haram. But, they would say, ‘I hate such-and-such, and maintain such-and-such, but as for halal and haram, this is what may be called inventing lies concerning Allah. Did not you hear Allah’s Statement that reads, 'Say: Have you considered what provision Allah has sent down for you, how you have made of it lawful and unlawful? Say: Has Allah permitted you, or do you invent a lie concerning Allah?” (Yunus: 59) For, the halal is what Allah and His Messenger made lawful, and the haram is what Allah and His Messenger made unlawful.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&=1119503544202

@Tearface

Please enlighten me more,'because I was talking to one of my friends the other day and she was telling me that her Islamic teacher was telling her something like that and we sincerely believed it.Thank God for this thread, I would have continued to believe it.Please give me details, as I will need to explain to her as weell.And I need to convince otherwise.

You do not have to believe that when the Prophet has told us what to expect of the Dajal. Below is the truth as described by the Holy prophet

Firstly, there would be the Appearance of Mahdi


His coming is one of the major events at th end of time. Allah (swt) will send this righteousman even  if it will only remain a day for the world to end. His name will be Muhammed ibn Abdullah. He will also be known as Jaabir because he will unite the hearts of the followers of prophet Muhammed (saw). He will be from the progeny of Fatimah, daughter of the prophet (saw) through Hasan. The prfophet has said that a calamity will descend on the Ummah in such a way that there will be no refuge from it. Thereafter, Allah (swt) will entrust the affairs of Muslims to a man, Mahdi, as a guide and reformer. He will be recognised without any iota of doubt about his personality. He will fill the earth with justice as opposed to its injustice and oppression. He will restore peace and reform peoples' lway of life. There will be strong rulers during his reign. Islam will be well established. The coming of Dajjaal will disrupt his peaceful reign. Allah will strenthen him with clear signs. During his reign, there will be profuse rainfall to the extent that the earth will leave nothing ungrown until those alive will yearn that the dead comes back to life. He will live in this era for seven to nine years. When he eventually dies, the Muslims will bury him.


This would be followed by the coming of Dajjal:


Khuruuj-d-Dajjal (Appearance of the Anti Christ)

His emergence will disrupt the tranquil era of the Mahdi. He is a youthful man from the progeny of Adam. He is quaint of the right eye (which is like a swollen grape) and floating of the left eye not going into the socket. He eats and drinks as human being. The prophet (saw) delivered a sermon one day that “ever since Allah has created the progeny of Adam, there had never occurred a greater trial than that of Dajjal. Allah has not sent Prophets except that they warned their nations abut him. I am the last of all prophets and you are the last Ummah, and he is going to appear in your time. He will emerge from the road between Syria and Iraq on a white ass. He will traverse all lands in forty days; one day will be like one year; another like a month, another like one week and the rest like the worldly days”. On hearing this, the companion asked, “Messenger of Allah, on this day which will be like one year, will it be suffice for us to pray the five prayers in one day? He answered: “No, you should make an estimate of the passage of time”.

From the above, you would have read that the Anti-Christ would come in form of a man and not the misconception people have been having.

Please read more from the thread I opened for Judgment day, signs, stages and proceedings:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-41732.0.html

@Davidylan


I read your cover up hence my bringing forward your post to my last rejoinder. Let me quickly go through it while I wait for your response.

madam you are merely decieving yourself. Sorry to respond to this post and i appologize but this is sheer hypocrisy.

Let us see who is really playing the game of hypocrisy

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:


Madam cherry-picking the bible (that i earlier claim is corrupted when it suits me) to force-fit spurius tales:

I laugh at your level of hypocrisy which in all honesty has eaten deep into your flesh and made you inclined to falsehood, lies and lack of understanding.

I noticed that you are guilty of cherry-picking the bible which you wrongfully accused someone of. You ignored the other verses but hid under the above verse in which you lacked proper understanding. It is better for you to read verses and not picking verses out of context.

Let us read the verse you explained wrongly:


Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
 
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."


David, did you read to understand the verse at all|? Jesus said he would send the comforter from the father meaning that the SPIRIT to come has never been in existence but would come after Jesus leave the world hence:

Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
 
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

Meaning that as long as he is in the world, the comforter would not come but when he leaves, the comforter would come and this goes to show that the comforter couldnt have been the holy spirit because Holy Spirit has been in existence and was never expected after demise of Jesus but Jesus referred to a fresh comforter:

John chapter 14 verse 16:

  "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."   which would come only if he leaves and we have read from the bible how early prophets have been with Holy Spirit.

1. This comforter is coming from the Father . . . which Father? Is allah a father?

Did you explain the verse supplied where Jesus said that you should not call anybody on earth your father and I also asked if a son can also be termed to be the father because I have biblical verses where Jesus was referred to as Servant as well as other prophets from your bible? The above happens to be part of the blasphemous statement infused into the bible by the writers in which they try to say that God is their father.

2. This comforter is the Spirit of Truth . . . was mohammad a spirit?

David, please shun arrogance, pride and falsehood and digest the below saying on the trustworthiness of the Holy Prophet.

The Prophet [pbuh] is the most just, the most decent, the most truthful at speech, and the honestest of all. Those who have exchanged speech with him, and even his enemies, acknowledge his noble qualities. Even before the Prophethood he was nicknamed[b] Al-Ameen (i.e. the truthful, the truthworthy). [/b]


Aishah said:

“The Messenger of Allâh [pbuh], whenever he is given the opportunity to choose between two affairs, he always chooses the easiest and the most convenient. But if he is certain that it is sinful, he will be as far as he could from it. He has never avenged himself; but when the sanctity of Allâh is violated he would. That would be for Allâh’s not for himself. He is the last one to get angry and the first to be satisfied. His hospitality and generosity were matchless. His gifts and endowments manifest a man who does not fear poverty.” [Sahih Al-Bukhari 1/503]

Ibn‘Abbas said: “The Prophet [pbuh] was the most generous. He is usually most generous of all times in Ramadan, the times at which the angel Gabriel [AWS] comes to see him. Gabriel used to visit him every night of Ramadan and review the Qur’ân with him. Verily the Messenger of Allâh [pbuh] is more generous at giving bounty or charity than the blowing wind.”

3. This comforter testifies of Jesus . . . didnt mohammad reject Christ death and crucifiction?

Firstly, can you show me where the coforter testifies?
Secondly, do you have proof that he was crucified?

@Mc Usman

You don't know[b] May Kelly, there will be no constructive message between you [/b] & her. She will spend her whole time posting garbage and beating around the bush.

True talk and that is the more reason I ignored this thread because I noticed that rather than think and ponder on the verses supplied, she prefers posting garbage that has no relationship with the topic.

@Tearface


Salam, these are the verses

John chapter 14 verse 16:

"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."


Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."


Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".


Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus, in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus was being baptised, etc.



@Asamuel


Please maybe you would help your folks in answering this smple question.

Jesus said that it is expedient for him to go so that the comforter would come. the verse shows that the spirit would be a new creature.

He also said 'another comfoer' meaning that the comforter to come would be like him.


Now, we learnt that the holy spirit was and still in existence since creation, so my dear Asamuel, how come the comforter would be holy spirit since the comforter to come would be a new creature and we learnt that the holy spirit has been in existence since creation?

Thanks

Besides all we posted on the so called 'Ahmadiyyah and Gulam Ahmad claiming to have been a prophet. I was watching Tv sometime ago when one of the leaders of the Ahmadiyya presented a programme and the moderator asked him the position of Dajjah (the anti-christ) with regards to his coming. The moderator asked him if we should be expecting anti christ and funny enough, the leader said that we should not be especting any Dajjal that it is already in our midst. He now said that, the suffering, mismanagement, robbery, sickness, poverty etc is the Dajjal promised by God. He said that if we noticed, the Holy prophet said that the Dajjal would touch the whole earth except Mekkah and Madinah and that is the reason most/almost all countries are experiencing such.

I didnt know when tears came from my eyes because the man interpreted the Holy prophet's saying wrongly and that may lead to the wrath of God. May Allah save us from his wrath (Amin)

@Georgee

can someone please EXPLAIN the meaning of CHRISTMAS and 25th DECEMBER, because av never come accross that date in the BIBLE in my life, and yet it's being celebrated all over the world.
Av asked so many christains, and they say it's a date set aside 2 celebrate the birth of JESUS christ, which i find very contradicting to a particular verse of REVELATIONS(can't remember ryt now)

I think this is not the best thread to ask these questions and if you really want to know the truth about Christmas and Dec. 25, go to search engine and learn about it or you create thread on that and I would come in but please this is not a thread for your questions.

Thanks

Five compulsory daily prayers is the telephone number to Al-Janah.

Whosoever desire any religion apart from Islam, it will never be accepted from him and he would be among the losers on Judgment Day.

Where is noetic again?

@Subzeero

Salam. I agree with you with regards to the position of music in Islam. Haram and Sunnah cannot stand together. When you do anything aside what the holy prophet did and preached, then you have gone against his teaching. Islam goes against Music and hadith support that as well.

I shake my head when I hear Islamic musicians using any musical instrument thinking that they are doing dawah but alas, Allah frowns at that. We should not try to imitate the non-muslims in order to make unbelievers accept Islam.




@balood4u2

Some people even go to the extent of going against ZIKIR IN ISLAM.e.g have heard on t.v station
when a man said the act of singing and using bandiri by the quadiriya society is not good thou am not a member but i don't see anything bad in it.ZIKIR is the islamic way of praising Allah and the prophet{S.A.W}.my brothers and sisters in islam lets ignore sentiments and face the laid down rules and regulation given to us by allah by Allah.
SALLAM ALAYKUM.

May Allah increase our knowlegde. We should always try as much as possible to avoid innovation (Bidiah) in whatever we do. So muslms introduce Bidiah into their mode of worship but never think for one that what they are doing go contrary to the saying of the Holy Prophet in which he said that Bidiah and Sunnah cannot stand.

The way some Muslims do Zikir is quite appalling. Another funny thing is when they are doing Tahajud. It is supposed to be for prayer and supplication but it is then you see all these Alfas prasing the rich, raising money, singing and dancing without any prayer till daybreak which in turn disturb the peace of those living nearby as a result of the noise coming from the loud speakers. There are certain things I noticed too but that would be posted towards Ramadhan Insha Allah with regards to the practice of some Leaders in some Islamic societies.

May Allah increase our knowledge.

You are right Mukina. i am not one and will never be. I think hadiths have been posted in one of the threads for Ahmadiyyah to ponder on with regards to Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet.

Ok babygirl

@Tearface

I'm finding it really difficult to understand somethings - I mean we have only one God,we have the same messenger(SAW) that was sent by Allah, and we all believe in the knowledge he brought, so why all this fuss about sects?All I know is that the Qur'an and the Sunnah are the sources of knowledge.Before the Prophet's (SAW) death,Allah told us that He has perfected the religion.
I think that Islam is one and the same and we don't need sects.
Frizy and babs,You guys are right!I'd say, "Abeg lets follow the Sunnah"

Salam Sister and May Allah reward you in your quest for greater understanding. Actually I have non-Bidiatic society (ies) I attend when I am less busy. I don't do follow follow'  nor tied to what I am being told without due verification. No Ustaz, Sheik, Imam etc can tell me anything outside the Quran, Hadith and expect me to accept it, i don't and will never.

If Olabello and Mujybyte could recollect, there was a time when the Head of the Ahmaddiyah Movement labelled all Muslims (apart from Ahmadiyyah) disbelievers and liars.

Like you rightly said, Islam does not allow 'sects'


In My Ummah, there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals),
each of whom will claim to be a prophet,
But I am the Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me.
(Abu Dawood Vol 2 p. 228; Tirmidhi Vol 2 p.45)



Q 33.40:Muhammad is not the father of any of your men but (he is) the Apostle of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

The Holy Prophetobserved: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).

The Prophet of Allah affirmed: "The chain of Messengers and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor Prophet after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-your-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik)

The Holy Prophet  observed: "I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I am the effacer and infidelity shall be erased through me; I am the assembler. People shall be assembled on Doomsday after my time. (In other words Doom is my only successor.) And I am the last in the sense that no prophet shall succeed me." (Bukhari and Muslim, Kitab-ul-Fada'il, Bab: Asmaun-Nabi; Tirmidhi, Kitab-ul- Adab, Bab: Asma-un-Nabi; Muatta', Kitab-u-Asma in-Nabi, Al- Mustadrak Hakim, Kitab-ut-Tarikh, Bab: Asma-un-Nabi.)

The Prophet  of Allah observed: "God Almighty hath sent unto the world no apostle who did not warn his people about the appearance of Dajjal (Anti-Christ, but Dajjal did not appear in their time). I am the last in the line of Prophets and ye are the last community of believers. Without doubt,then, Dajjal shall appear from amongst ye". (Ibn Majah, Kitabul-fitan, bab:Dajjal).

Abdur Rahman bin Jubair reported: "I heard Abdullah bin 'Amr ibn-'As narrating that one day the Holy Prophet came out of his house and joined our company. His manner gave us the impression as if he were leaving us.' He said, 'I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet of Allah' and repeated this statement three times. Then he affirmed: "There will be no prophet after me'." (Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat'Abdullah bin Amr ibn'-As.)

Thauban reports: "The Holy Prophet observed: And there will arise Thirty imposters in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of God and no Apostle will come after me." (Abu Dawud, Kitab-ul-Fitan)

The Prophet of God said: "No Prophet will come after me and there will, therefore, be no other community of followers of any new prophet." (Baihaqi,Kitab-ul Rouya; Tabarani)

May Allah leads us to the straight path.

@Olabello &  MUJYBYTE

I understand that there was only on sect of Ahmadiyya which latter divided into two; Ahmaddiyah Muslim Jammah and Ahmadiyyah Movement.

I also learnt that they do not pray in another mosques separate from theirs and non- Ahmadiyyah member cannot lead them in prayers.

They oberve their own Ids separate from other muslims and I do hope you still remember Ghulam Ahmad.

The issue of Mahdi and others not presented here would be posted and we we will discuss them.

How do I come in now?

@Tearface

Salam sister.

I think your question is being attended to in another thread and I thank you for providing explanation to Piacere on the Hadith he claimed meant compulsion to him which happened to be similar to my response towards him.

May Allah increases your knowledge

@Tearface

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Salaam.Have been following your posts lately and I can see that you are a true soldier of Allah.May Allah accept your act and reward you with Jannatul Firdaus for your defence  of His religion.

Salam
Allahu Amin and you too as well as other Muslims propagating the religion. (Amin)

Honestly speaking, when I opened this thread I was very angry and I just wanted to blast the people, but as I went through  I realised that its not worth it.I realised that there are people who are honestly ignorant and want to findout the truth and there are people who are looking for an avenue to insult Islam and Muslims.And if we realise that that is what they want, lets not give it to them.I'd advice that next time we see a thresd like this, lets just ignore it.

You have hit the nail on the head.

Lets show them what Islam is about-[b]Peace!

Sure sister and Allah will help us in accomplishing that.

Thanks so much for your wonderful post. Posts from Muslims give me courage and confidence about the religion I found myself in as the only true and straight path to getting to Paradise

@Lady


You need to read and re-read posts before sending your rejoinder.

The only way you can prove your religion is by answering questions and not deleting them. If the person does not interpret Sharia badly then there would be no need for them to ask a question. They would ahve an understanding of it.

Is that for the moderator or Muslims. If it is for Moderators, you only ned to read from the beginning and you would understand that it is not Christians' posts that are being deleted but Muslims alike but if your above quote is for muslims, then table your questions and we dig deep into it with regards to Quran and Hadith. If you are ready, I am ready as well.

Now I do take offense to your statement about misinterpretations.

Did you read for understanding or just posting to create confusion?

As the moderator for the religion section you do not delete the muuslims comments about Christians and trust me the Christianity concepts are interpreted terribly by muuslims.

Are you being honest with your above quote?

For example the Trinity concept, we have said times without number that the concept does not introduce three different and distinct gods, but one God who came in different forms, as he is very much capable of because he is God. But even in the introduction of this post, Olabowale misinterprets the concept as three separate and distinct gods, and you do not find that offensive enough to be removed?

Firstly, with due respect, the trinity concept is a hoax and I can humbly proper verses from your bible going against that teaching. If you really want to know the truth about this later inserted doctrine, then check the link opened by Olaadegbu on trinity and you would see my indepth response to the so called doctrine. I even listed verses where Jesus made us known that God is superior to him and they couldnt have been the same but yet you want Olabowale and me to acept that Jesus is God, come off it, Jesus made straight forward statements showing that God sent him and He is superior to him yet you want me as a person to accept it hook, line and sinker. This doctrine happened to be a later insertion and please if you care, you and I can re-open the topic and start fresh discussions and most facts would be from your book and no one will come from my book.

Secondly, I do not think Olabowale misunderstood you but in clear facts, you and your friends clamouring and supporting the doctrine of trinity have not been to prove it beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus happened to be God. No muslims ever claimed that Jesus was not a prophet with a miraculous birth but I am telling in all honesty that there is nothing in this your trinity, it was a later insertion by pagans. Even early christians and some sects do not suport this trinitarian belief with proof from your bible!!

Yet you find it offensive enough to remove the post that misinterprets Sharia. If so go ahead and delete the introductory post by Olabowale because it is offensive to Christians and whenever a muuslim interprets the Bible or other Christian concepts badly, then please delete them. If you are going to be biased, which you are based on your statement, then you shouldn't be the moderator. If you do wish to continue as the moderator then please don't shield muuslims, but everyone. This is a public forum not a "protect the muuslims" forum.

Lady, I think you need to thread with caution. Though I can see that you are annoyed but you misunderstood the context. Mukina is not being biased in the sense that Muslims' posts are being deleted as well. My posts have been deleted and I can still remember vividly a thread or more that was (were) locked just because of my post towards christians. I think Seun needs to come out and speak as well. Moderators have no power of their own to delete posts but with the consent/permission of Seun.

The Catholics are consistently bashed all the time by others and yes muuslims too, but you do not run to their aid. You do not create a separate forum for them.

In all fairness, I do not think Mukina is trying to aid Muslims with regads to deletion/locking of threads. Seun does most of the deletion and it is not Christian posts that are deleted but mostly topics that go off topic etc.

Lady, read again and understand what this is all about and you would find out that you didnt do a thorough research before sending your post

Just wanted to speak the truth.

You did just that but got it all wrong.

Thanks anyway for your contribution but you should note that Muslims' posts have been deleted and are being deleted and apart from myself, you can ask Samba,Mc Usman if their posts have not been deleted just to mention few. So you should not think that Christians happen to be the only victim, Muslims as well are victims of deletion.

@Tearface

Just like Frizy said, it is not proper for the father or anybody to annul the marriage unless it comes from the partners. If the father really want to annul it, he must present his reason for anulment.

We all know that african is very strict with regards to culture and stuff like that but we must not incur Allah's wrath just because we want to please the world (culture).

Following are some of the true sayings Mohammed (peace be upon him) with regards to women:

“Do treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers.

The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best and kindest to his wife.”

The believers who show the most perfect faith are those who have the best character and the best of you are those who are best to their wives.

Some Muslim wives complained to him that their husbands had beaten them. Hearing that, the Prophet categorically stated that: “Those who do so (beat their wives) are not the best among you”

He who is involved bringing up daughters, and accords benevolent treatment towards them, they will be protection for him against Hell-fire.


On the contrary:

“When a man gives his daughter in marriage and she dislikes it, the marriage shall be annulled.” (Once a virgin girl came to the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) and said that her father had married her to a man against her wishes. The Prophet gave her the right to repudiate the marriage.)

“Khansa’ b. Khidham reported that her father gave her in marriage, after she had became a widow. She disliked it and came to the Prophet. He annulled the marriage.”

“The widow and the divorced woman shall not be married until their order is obtained, and the virgin shall not be married until her consent is obtained.”

Abu Hurairah reports that the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) said: “A grown-up girl shall be asked permission about herself. If she is silent, it is her permission; and if she declines, there shall be no compulsion on her.” (Muslim).

Are you a member?

What is this supposed to mean and are you a member and if you are, are you prepared for some questions?

Treatment of Non-Muslims


"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall myself be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)

Since i av staretd reading this thread i now know that the Devil is living.
I don't know what christians are doing in the muslims forum.
All they want to do is castigate and critcise islam because they hate tha religion with passion that is why they are following us every where.

whether you lke it or not that book is better than any other book in the world.All u are presenting are just mere fabrications to bring down this book.

I know if this was to happen in the xtian thread Seun would av banned a lot of people.

please leave us alone!!!!!!!!!!!!
practise your religion and leave ours alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Firstly:

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (Quran 16:125)"


If they refuse to heed to the warning and acceot the truth, then:


The Disbelievers

109:1 Say: O disbelievers!
109:2 I worship not that which ye worship;
109:3 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
109:4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

No, first of all. The parents have not all the say on who their children should marry, except if the person she is marring is not Muslim. No father should seek to break what Allah has joined together and to make it worse, in this case, he disclosed no reason. Those who break family ties, Allah promises them a great penalty in the hereafter. So I advise the lady to not seek divorce if her husband is kind to her and also her father should stop whatever hatred he has for his daughter's husband. Haba, it is he that the couples should go to if there is a problem in their marriage for reconcilation.

True talk.

@Ofurufu


Salam. Alhamdulillah for being a Muslim and wil die as one.

I love you for Allah's sake(no toasting ooooo!!)

This your quote above trigerred me into responding and I do hope you are not trying to toast her. If that is what you are trying, you better stop or else

Hey are you shivering, dont worry I am just trying to size you up.

May Allah be with you and the entire Muslims.

Maa Salam

@Poster

Are we here to discuss NASFAT or Islam?

Are the sisters only interested in helping someone from the states or are we suggesting some sort of match making here?

I dont know which of the two to discuss.

The fact that this islamic thread had so far resisted expulsion and maintained its vibrancy is pointer to the determination and dedication of some of our muslim brothers and sisters like Babs, Olabowale, mustay and mukina.

I was so engrossed with facebook when mukina dragged me back to the fold. i want to say this is where i belong. Thanks Muki.

Salam


Welcome back after a long break. I am very happy to hear from you.

As Salam Alaekun Warahmotullah Wabarakatuh


In the name of Allah the Most Beneficient, the Merciful

I want to use this medium to plead with my brothers and sisters in faith to do away with their threats to Seun's site as these would make Abraham's religion as well as earlier prophets religion right from the time of Adam to that of the last prophet (saw), a violent religion and would still further give the impression that muslims are not tolerant which happened to be against the teaching of my prophet as well as the saying of Allah in the holy Quran. We should not try to repel evil with evil as the Allah frowns at this:


Quran 13:22 "Those who patiently persevere, seeking the countenance of their Lord; establish regular prayers; spend out of (the gifts) We have bestowed for their sustenance, secretly and openly; and turn off evil with good: for such there is the final attainment of the (Eternal) Home."

Quran 23:96 "Repel evil with that which is best: We are Well-acquainted with the things they say."

Quran 41:34 "Nor can goodness and evil be equal.  Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!."

Quran 28:54 "Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert evil with good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them."

Quran 42:40 "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) Loveth not those who do wrong."

Allah also told us in the Quran to:

Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.  (Quran 16:125)"

We should always defend our religion by preaching and explaining grey area to people that eager to know about the only religion before God and we should avoid transgressing the limit

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.  (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"

Allah also tell us to show kindness to those that speak ill of our religion:

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.  (The Noble Quran, 60:"

Due to limited time, I would stop here to give contributors room to post but would post additional verses and hadiths later.

Maa Salam

@Negro

It is marginalizing. Islam should be propagated in the face of all attacks, not protected and shielded. I tell you, I will stand and die for TRUTH, wherever I see it. I advocate for humanity, I don't advocate for religion.

I love this part in your post and I 100% support your view and am very sorry for what happened to your post(s).

I believe 99% of nairalanders are matured and should be civil in sending posts.


@Moderators & Admins

Over to you please.

@Cute

well,it is true the section is for muslims,,,but then,i must chip this in,,,i really pity many nigerian muslims,who are just dere,following islamic religion,and who really love arguing!, i ve arab friends,,they never try to argue or discuss religion with me,,or worse still,try to tell me d bible is not truthful.ONE THING YOU PPL MUST KNOW IS THIS,,SOME OF THESE ARABS;- FROM WHOM You GOT THE ISLAMIC RELIGION, KEEP ON AS MUSLIMS 'COS THEY WILL BE KILLED IF THEY DARE TO CHANGE TO ANOTHER RELIGION .my friends actually tell me,u know,,,when i tell them about how we always ve religious clashes in Naija,,,he tells me "any muslim who does not acknowledge christianity,and judaism as true,,,is very stupid"

The threads speak for themselves with regards to bible and christianity and please do you have sany biblical verse to support your statement?

Where is backslider now?