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@Davidlyan

You want me to go find the cross and nails that was used 2000yrs ago? No problem, ii will provide them AS SOON as you can help me fetch allah's lost torah and injil.
Please do so very quickly.

I still do not know why you keep going in circles and denying the glaring truth.

You have been saying that he was crucified abi, and you should be bold enough to provide proof on same.

Are you asking for the lost Gospel when you have been seeing missing verses in your bible and even some verses absent in early versions but present in later versions. Think man, this shows that it is corrupt. Where did the writer culled his own from when early version is not having the verses?

@Davidylan

There is nothing to "tear to pieces". . . the rantings of a deranged illiterate are not worth my time. Go bring Lakpenne, at least he knew how to rationally compose a question.

David, arent you ashamed of yourself? I told you about the missing verse on rapture and you hurriedly gave that to me without thinking but couldnt defend the missing verses on when two people will be in the field and one would be taken present in KJV but absent in other versions.

To further compound your woes , I have verses absent in early bible edition put present in the later edition of THE SAME VERSION.

Accept Islam today.

@Davidylan

u are the one who is using the bible to dig your own grave slowly.

Really? Can you show me where I have been doing that?



@Nwando

Even the devil quoted scriptures while tempting Christ.
Anyone that denies God is a fool according to the Bible.
The bible calls him a fool and so is he!

Christians will always lie even if it very glaring. Did I deny God's existence? You quoted a verse that called anybody that doesnt in God a fool but your friend here, babs never said such and you called him same.

Babs never called you anything, he contributed to the thread and all you could do was typed the word 'fool' forgetting what your bible told you.

In case you missed, this is what you typed:

Babs,you are a fool.
A big fool and you deserve that title.
It's good you've showed up your stupidity on a front page thread.
Indeed no one can help you.

Read the full gist and your response here:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-96644.32.html


Where does the issue of not believing in God comes in?

You better seek forgiveness or be doomed for hell as said by your bible?

All you lost muslims make wuna allow us hear word jare. misguided generation.

Wetin be wuna?
What makes you think that you are rightly guided?

It should have been mountain of salvation abi what do you think?

forgetting our religious differences men! nairalanders we are the best

shiro bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo bo

My first experience happened when I was young.
I attended a church and during prayer session, people begin speak in tongue, different languages. I thought that if one is speaking, there should be another one that would be able to interprete but omo na lie, all just dey speak diferent grammar.

T cap it all, some began to fall and some started rolling on the floor that they have received the holy spirit and its controlling them.

I looked left and right saw nearly everybody speaking in tongues while some were busy rolling on the floor as a result of receiving the spirit.

Shame catch me when I noticed that nothing has happened to me, I tried speaking in tongue, no way, try to nack my sef for ground, no way.

It reminded me of a guy who lived very close to my cousin's. The guy according to that my cousin be real fornicator, smoker etc and a member of christ embassy.

The guy said that if you are a new member and you enter that church, they would ask if you would like to receive the holy spirit and if you said yes, you would have the ability to speak in tongue.

This guy, anytime they are discussing anything different from church, be it football, religion, politics etc, they guy go begin speak in tongue despite the fact that he never prayer before receiving such.

U go dey hear heli heli, shakbra bomo rakiel. Sokolokobangoshe etc

Insert Quote
LEBRO SHKA MA RUGABA SKELLEBOOBO ANPAN ENDILIBO ILABA ILOBO MAN GARABVUSHA KATRA BA BU JAKARIMANDORI AMMAMMMA MAAAA YHKESRISPA YAKBU KAQTIJA DOKE YAMNIBDLGUUBABBBA REBOO
YEHEPPARIPA IMOLE

You dey go shrine very well ooooooo.

@Martin007

@Martin007:If the 'WORD' became flesh and dwell with us, please tell me, what
happened to the ONE WHO SPOKE THE WORD?

1. Did He not have any ability to Speak in the maintime, Yes or No?
2. Did His further utterances have not the same value as the 'Word' that became flesh?
3. Now that His word has became flesh, has His power of authority gone, diminished or the same?
4. Did His word by becoming flesh became the power instead of the speaker?
5 Between the Speaker and the Word that became flesh, which is truly the Master?
6 When the word died, did the Speaker who spoke the Word died also?
7. When the Word was on the Cross was the Speaker also?
8 When the Word was being tried by the people and the authority,, the Speaker also?

My man, I have tons of questions, and we can do this all day and ll night. Please answer
each and every one from your conscience, not from your head/tongue, so as to safe face.

And you think these are questions. You keep nailing yourself unknowingly. Do you think you can provide answers to questions on trinity and do you really know how trinity come about?

Lets not deceive ourselves here, Mohammad did copy most things from the Torah and the Bible and formed the Quran with giving credits to Judaism and Christianity, to me i think thats piracy? .

Brother, how could an illiterate copy the Torah and please based on your quote above, are you saying that the Torah is different from the bible?


@Davidylan

Where you dey. I dey expect you to tear my above post to pieces.

@Davidylan

islam an albatross? More like ludicrous cult of death!

There are no "questions" to answer! the post said "take note" . . . is that a "question"?

Dafidi

@Davidylan

blabs, you are a hypocrite . . . u say the bible is corrupt and you are busy quoting it to buttress your poiints?

I used what you believe in to nail you. So you and cohorts be better behaved. or I will give you more. You read your bible yet you dont follow what it teaches.

@Davidylan

Sure . . . when you tell me just HOW allah happened to make ALL his prophets JEWS, the very same apes and pigs he cursed in his quran NOT ONCE BUT MANY TIMES in the quran.

I'm waiting . . . two can play the game

Maradona, so you cant provide prrof on his alleged 'crucifixion'?



@jagunlabi

Point of correction,THE JEWS WERE TOLD,AND NOT THE CHRISTIANS.
Christians did not exist at that time the statement was supposed to have been made.
Just thought that i should point that out.

Thank you but please were they told not to do that in the OT alone?

@Nwando

I just hate it when these area boys find their way to an internet cafe and in between their yahooism,comment on a topic they know nothing about.
Thou,only surviving son of Alhaji ba Mecca,grandson of Idi of Idi Araba why don't you use your available credit trying to convince your victims of their fortune to come.

You and this your bad mouth hand. You just site there and type whatever you feel like. Respect is reciprocal and you will now be saying that you have been the most peaceful. The guy hasnt abused you but read your post towards him.

@davidylan

Quote from babs
Hey, have you noticed in your bible that it is only the KJV that has the verse on rapture that says, two people will be in a garden and one will be taken up etc(sorry i didnt put it as iT is said in the bible). The verse is not in other versions but except in KJV.

Have you ponder o nthe reason for that?

Quotes from Davidylan
huh? Have you "ponder" on the fact that you are a lying son of belial?

KJV - Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Amplified bible - Matthew 24:40 At that time two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
New Living Translation - Matthew 24:40 “Two men will be working together in the field; one will be taken, the other left.
NIV - Matthew 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
New American Standard Bible - Matthew 24:40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
Wycliffe New Testament - Matthew 24:40 Then twain shall be in a field [Then two shall be in a field], one shall be taken, and the other left;

huh? What were you saying blabs?

I told you that you should work on that while I served you the missing verse and it would be unexpected.

I told you about the missing verse in other versions but present in KJV, you ignorantly quoted Mathew 24 v 40 for me forgetting to check other authors.

Here I go with the missing verses:

1.
Luke 9 v 56:

KJV: For the son of man is not come to destroy men's life, but I save.

Omitted in Revised Standard Version, New International Version, Good News Bible and Living Bible Version.

Below is where you misfired without having a rethink:


2. Luke 17 v 36
KJV: Two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken and the other left.

Omitted in RSV, NIV, GNB.


3. John 5 v 4:
KJV: For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water. Whosoever then after the troubling of the water stepped in was made of whatsoever disease he had.

Omitted in RSV, NIV and GNB.

blabs . . . have you forgotten the bible is corrupt? Why would you spend so much time reading it?

Hope you remember that I was like you and I need to give you what you believe in.

Have you read your own quran? Found the "prophets" from the ishmaelite lineage yet?

I have been doing that and will continue Insha Allah.

@real demi

@babs747
I really don't have to explain to you because I know that Muslims find it hard to understand the concepts of Trinity and the Law & grace in the New Testament so I'll let things be. the way they are.

It will be highly appreciated if you can explain the concept in the best possible way for me to grab

i'm not against muslims as a whole, just the fanatics or lunatics.

One love

@Davidylan


You are very quick at giving me huh? Soon I will serve you verse from Revelation that cvan only be found in KJV but before I do that, kindly check these for me in the NIV:

Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14.

Mark 7:16; 9:44; 9:46; 11:26; 15:28.

Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4.

Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29.

Romans 16:24 and 1 John 5:7.

Also in the last verse (1 John 5:7), the NIV is very deceptive, for it does have a verse 7, but it is really part of verse 8. Verse 8 has been split into two verses in the NIV (verses 7 and so that you won’t know that verse 7 is missing. 1 John 5:8 (KJB) says:

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The NIV splits this verse into two verses: In verse 7, it says:

For there are three that testify (bear witness)

In verse 8, it says:

the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

The true verse 7 has been removed. In the KJB, verse 7 says:

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This is the clearest statement of the doctrine of the Trinity in the entire Bible. Is this verse unimportant? Would God want it removed?


Continue with the above while I serve you the unexpected.

@Raimond

Stop quoting the bible out of context, of all the scriptures you quoted where was it mentioned that it was Jesus that carried out the acts.

Brother, where do I quote out of context. Are the verses wrong?

Jesus came as an advocate,a mediator between God and man.To be sacrificed in man`s stead so that the wrath of the Father as outlined in the scriptures you quoted, will be turned away from man.He came as the Prince of Peace, and lived by the name.

Brother, stop confusing yourself o. Are you saying that God of the OT is the same as NT? If Jesus happens to be the mediator between God and man, he can never be God then, abi I lie?

Mind you, your quotations are from the old testament long before the birth of Jesus.

Meaning?

I don`t really want to get into an arguement with you because we have sth in common, I`M A GUNNER!!!!

Gunners for life brother






@real_demi

Fret not thyself.

Far from that

You need not do much study but u can if u choose to but I will simply break it down.

Good, appreciated.

The God of the Old Testament is the same as that of the New.

The difference is a change in eras.

Ok.

At the coming of Christ, the order of things changed.

No, are you saying at the coming of God Jesus from Heaven?

We came under GRACE and no more the Mosaic Law which existed as a result of the hardness of the people's heart.
In Christ, Mercy came and Grace too. That's why I simply love JESUS!

Sister, thou shall not twist the issue. You claimed that he was a prince a peace and I gave you verses from the OT where there were killing spree. Is it not the same God who ordered Mosaic law that ordered so called 'mercy' and 'grace' too? If God of the OT  is the same as that of NT, then he can never be prince of peace as you do say. His personality in OT  is quite different from that of NT?

I dont want to go further.

@Olabowale
I take my pick of Man-God because JESUS was 100% man and also 100% God.

Can you defend that?

Now, u can't understand that now, can u??

It is because you yourself do not understand the concept of trinity.

Not to worry spiritual things are hard to fathom, so I quite understand,

I dont think so

The sad thing about eternity is that those that didnt believe can't believe anymore then, it'll be way too late to cry over spilt milk then. Whether u believe or not, IT WILL SURELY happen,

You are perfectly right sister but unfortunately it wil be too late to repent then. Now is the time for repentance, to believe in the last prophet and the Quran.

Salam

@mdsocks


Salam and how body?

@Raimond

I now see why Davidylan was almost tearing you into shreds.
The implication of that statement was just my way of letting ignoremuses as typifeid by you, know the true nature of christ and his non-violent posture.

Did you really mean what you typed?


Please have a look:


1 Samuel 6:19
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Ezekiel 9:4-6:
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


I still have more but just work on those two and tell if God of the OT is different from NT.

@

I now see why Davidylan was almost tearing you into shreds.
The implication of that statement was just my way of letting ignoremuses as typifeid by you, know the true nature of christ and his non-violent posture.[/[/b]quote]

Did you really mean what you typed?


Please have a look:


1 Samuel 6:19
[b]And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.


Ezekiel 9:4-6:
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.


I still have more but just work on those two and tell if God of the OT  is different from NT.

@Mp007



Hey, have you noticed in your bible that it is only the KJV that has the verse on rapture that says, two people will be in a garden and one will be taken up etc(sorry i didnt put it as iT is said in the bible). The verse is not in other versions but except in KJV.

Have you ponder o nthe reason for that?

If Davidylan is baited long enough, he will bite. Don't worry, he will
grow up and then realise that Qaliq (Creator) can never be Maqluq (Created).

Man is Created and can never be God. When David can recognise this distinct
diffrerence, then he will begin to have doubt in his heart. It is only a matter of time.

Good talk You have said it. Jazakhullah Khairan

@Davidlyan

You will say as Pilgrim.1 had asked about the Jesus on the cross, my answer is this, the Muslims do not even mean the Jesus in the Bible, but simply pointing out to you how
ridiculous the cross episode is! We know he was not crucified and was not killed.

Straight to the point. Do you have any evidence to back his alleged 'crucifixion?

@Davidlyan

Insert Quote
blabs, all your above piffle is just to avoid the real question:

I have just one question for you -WHY DID ALLAH CHOOSE ALL HIS PROPHETS FROM THE LINEAGE OF ISAAC? Didnt the same allah curse the jews? Didnt you all tell us that Ishmael was the child of promise?

you shld be ready to thrash out this contradiction first!

I believe you ask questions to seek knowledge and it seems you confusded and do not want to accewpt Islam because Muhammad wasnt a Jew.

I have answer for you but wouldnt know if you will accewpt the truth of Islamic monotheism. In order to divert topic, you may open thread for that and I will follow suit.





@Nwando

Insert Quote
blabs,look for "uncle MO" in that manual of hate called a Koran.
That is where he belongs
Keep him there!

Babyosis, hope you remember what Jesus said:


Mathew 15 v 17 - 20:
Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

stop trying to smuggle him into the Holy Bible as the title of this thread says.
He's only there as a false prophet who would come.
No more,no less.

But you have not been able to defend that

Your real self is emerging.
now BS,next you'll be searching for his jugular vein on your screen
today na today!

Thank God that you know me. I love you so much babyosis but I wonder at times the kind of christian you are when you just type whatever you like, calling another man's wife a fool despite the fact that you are married too. Hope you remember that you called your friend a fool in one of the threads?

You are here claiming to be one of the followers of Jesus when you dont even follow his teaching.

Here is a verse for you

Mathew 15 v 17 - 20:
Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled? But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

Read what Jesus said with regards to calling someone a fool:


Matthew 5:22 (New International Version) 1984 by International Bible Society
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.

You need to seek for forgiveness and this applies to some christians here as well that lacked manners.

I hope you have learnt your lesson now, so back to the topic

@David

Is that all you have to say?

@Backslider

Ok bros How will you help me back when you can't tell me the real authentic Hadith.

ARE YOU SAYING THERE ARE MANY FALSE HADITH?
PLEASE WHICH ONE IS THE REAL ONE?

A RELIGION WITH TRADITION IS VAIN.

THE HADITH EXPLAINS THE TRADITION WHICH ONE IS RIGHT.

It has been a long time I replied you. How body and I do hope you are cool.

@David


the same nonsense has been recycled too many times by muslims - see Reverend, Blabs787, Oyb . . . just to mention a few.
- Look at Blabs787's thread for the comprehensive answers to the nonsense you quote from an irresponsible muslim site.


I read my name and I decided to expose your falsehood like I normally do. You provided a link where your authors failed in providing answers to my questions and let me serve you part of your author's confusion and see if they have really provided answers


I asked a question

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

But your deluded author provided this as his answer:

(Category: misunderstood how God works in history)

This seems an apparent discrepancy unless of course both statements are true. It was towards the end of David's reign, and David was looking back over his brilliant conquests, which had brought the Canaanite, Syrian, and Phoenician kingdoms into a state of vassalage and dependency on Israel. He had an attitude of pride and self-admiration for his achievements, and was thinking more in terms of armaments and troops than in terms of the mercies of God.

The question was 'who incited david to count fithting men/ God or satan but read the his response up.

The Lord therefore decided that it was time that David be brought to his knees, where he would once again be cast back onto the mercy of God. So he let him go ahead with his census, in order to find out just how much good it would do him, as the only thing this census would accomplish would be to inflate the national ego (intimated in Joab's warning against carrying out the census in 1 Chronicles 21:3). As soon as the numbering was completed, God intended to chasten the nation with a disastrous plague which would bring about an enormous loss of life (in fact the lives of 70,000 Israelites according to 2 Samuel 24:15).

The question is 'is it God or satan that incited David?

What about Satan? Why would he get himself involved in this affair (according to 1 Chronicles 21:1) if God had already prompted David to commit the folly he had in mind? It seems his reasons were entirely malicious, knowing that a census would displease the Lord (1 Chronicles 21:7-, and so he also incited David to carry it through.

Can you read your deluded author's response? Has he answered the question?

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

Your author's response:

The more likely answer, however, is that one census includes categories of men that the other excludes. It is quite conceivable that the 1 Chronicles 21:5 figure included all the available men of fighting age, whether battle-seasoned or not, whereas the 2 Samuel 24:9 account is speaking only of those who were ready for battle. Joab's report in 2 Samuel 24 uses the word 'is hayil, which is translated as "mighty men", or battle-seasoned troops, and refers to them numbering 800,000 veterans. It is reasonable that there were an additional 300,000 men of military age kept in the reserves, but not yet involved in field combat. The two groups would therefore make up the 1,100,000 men in the 1 Chronicles 21 account which does not employ the Hebrew term 'is hayil to describe them.

(Archer 1982:188-189 and Light of Life II 1992:189-190)

Na wa for you o. Where was it written that the first included the men of fighting age and the other included battle season troops?

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

Your author's response

(Category: misunderstood the historical context)

Observe that 1 Chronicles 21:6 clearly states that Joab did not complete the numbering, as he had not yet taken a census of the tribe of Benjamin, nor that of Levi's either, due to the fact that David came under conviction about completing the census at all. Thus the different numbers indicate the inclusion or exclusion of particular unspecified groups in the nation. We find another reference to this in 1 Chronicles 27:23-24 where it states that David did not include those twenty years old and younger, and that since Joab did not finish the census the number was not recorded in King David's Chronicle.

Where was holy spirit when one omitted it?

The procedure for conducting the census had been to start with the trans-Jordanian tribes (2 Samuel 24:5) and then shift to the northern most tribe of Dan and work southward towards Jerusalem (verse 7). The numbering of Benjamin, therefore, would have come last. Hence Benjamin would not be included with the total for Israel or of that for Judah, either. In the case of 2 Samuel 24, the figure for Judah included the already known figure of 30,000 troops mustered by Benjamin. Hence the total of 500,000 included the Benjamite contingent.

Same confusion!!


5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

5. Was Ahaziah 22 (2 Kings 8:26) or 42 (2 Chronicles 22:2) when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Author's response:

(Category: copyist error)

Did you see the above/ Where was the holy spirit when they were making the mistake?

Because we are dealing with accounts which were written thousands of years ago, we would not expect to have the originals in our possession today, as they would have disintegrated long ago. We are therefore dependent on the copies taken from copies of those originals, which were in turn continually copied out over a period of centuries. Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors. One concerned the spelling of proper names, and the other had to do with numbers.

Did I read scribal error in the inspired book of God!!!

The two examples of numerical discrepancy here have to do with a decade in the number given. Ahaziah is said to have been 22 in 2 Kings 8:26; while in 2 Chronicles 22:2 Ahaziah is said to have been 42. Fortunately there is enough additional information in the Biblical text to show that the correct number is 22. Earlier in 2 Kings 8:17 the author mentions that Ahaziah's father Joram ben Ahab was 32 when he became King, and he died eight years later, at the age of 40. Therefore Ahaziah could not have been 42 at the time of his father's death at age 40! Such scribal errors do not change Jewish or Christian beliefs in the least. In such a case, another portion of scripture often corrects the mistake (2 Kings 8:26 in this instance). We must also remember that the scribes who were responsible for the copies were meticulously honest in handling Biblical texts. They delivered them as they received them, without changing even obvious mistakes, which are few indeed.
(Refer to the next question for a more in-depth presentation on how scribes could misconstrue numbers within manuscripts)

Did you read the bullshit therein? Obvious mistake but are few!!
David, you can see now that your author answered nothing. So if you are ready, am here with you to thrash out the remaining contradictions.

@David

why then are ALL his so-called "prophets" Jews?? NOT A SINGLE prophet from Ismail's descendants?

I can see that you are confused, short of knowledge and did not want to accept the last prophet because he was not a Jew. You should ask your fellow maybe they can provide answer to your infantile question.

@klarry79

My God that was a great video article.
I really don't know what to say but may God help the muslims.
they make trouble on every hue and cry.

Go through the threads and see who has been crying.

the problem with them is their teaching; they are taught to hate and kill.
they really do not have any message apart from that.

I pity christians that posts without checking their bible first. If you have been reading your bible, you would have read atrocities committed therein.

I have a most near my house, for the 6yrs that I have been living there all they do at every one of their
"so-called prayer meetings'' is to castigate critisize christians and abuse or insult (and blaspheme) Christ.

Can you please tell me what they have been saying that shows that they have been criticizing you people? Once again , hope you do know that I was like you and your pastors are not left behind when it comes to issue of giving a dog a bad name in order to hang it.

they don't teach their members principles of good living, investments, health tips,personal development and character building topics
etc. all they do is preach hate.

May God forgive you for saying what you do not know. Are you referring to the way Ashimolowo, Oyakhilome, Bonnke etc have been doing. Na wa o, Ignorance is really a disease.

their religion is somewhat retrogressive and they know it.
and rather than try to improve all we hear is all sorts of barbaric responses

Go through the posts and be honest to yourself. Go through that of david, Babyosis now Nwando (she changed her Id cos her falsehood was exposed) etc and tell if they have not been barbaric.

they cannot change

You meant your people that have been proving stubborn after having realised the truth?

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MERCIFUL, THE COMPASSIONATE

All praise is due to Allah who has guided us to follow the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), the leader of the Messengers; who has granted us the capacity to remain steadfast on the pillars and essential principles of Deen Al-Islam; who has made it easy for us to follow the footsteps and way of our pious predecessors, to the extent that our hearts have been illuminated with the knowledge of the Shari'ah and the conclusive argument in favour of the evident truth; and who has kept our internal souls free from the contamination of falsehood.

We praise and thank Him for having blessed us with the light of certainty, and for having granted us strength and courage to continuously hold fast to His strong rope. These favours are all out of His Bounty and Grace. We testify that there is no deity besides Almighty Allah, who is alone, and has no partner or associates, and that, without doubt, our Beloved Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Servant and Messenger of Allah, the Leader of those who are first and those who are last. May Allah send His Salaams and Blessings upon him (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), his Household and Progeny, his Companions and those who follow their path until the Day of Judgement (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and (always) say a word directed to the Right".

Allah's Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever believes in Allah and the Hereafter should either say what is good, or otherwise remain silent".


Bi[b]rthday from Islamic Point of View[/b]



In fact, commemorating the birth of a distinguished person has never been prescribed by any religion attributing itself to divine revelation. It was originally a custom prevalent in pagan communities only. Even Christmas, the famous Christian feast commemorating the birth of Jesus Christ finds no mention in the Bible or in the early Christian writings."


"In original Islamic resources, also we cannot find any instruction about the celebration of birthdays or death anniversaries.

Islam teaches Muslim to have a unique character and to be distinguished. A Muslim is weaned on morality and avoiding blind imitation.

The experience shows that the celebration is ultimately mixed up with an element of merrymaking and rejoicing and is generally confused with secular festivals and the secular, and often sinful, activities creep into it gradually

Birthdays are celebrated yearly and Muslims only celebrate the 2 Eids yearly those are our two annual festivals and that’s all the Prophet (saw) celebrated.

Furthermore birthday's usually consist of cake, candles, and the giving of gifts which are an imitations of the Jews and the Christians The Prophet (saw) said, warning us against following their ways and traditions: “You would follow the ways of those who came before you step by step, to such an extent that if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would enter it too.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” ( by Al-Bukhaari and Muslim). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.

Principally, birthdays are not something that should be celebrated or to be happy about. When it is someone's birthday, one year of his/her life has decreased, and not increased. As such, what intelligence is there in celebrating and showing happiness when a year has decreased in one's life?

Before understanding the legal ruling with regards to birthday celebrations, it is worth remembering here that imitation of the unbelievers (Kuffar) is something that Islam strictly disapproves of.

In a Hadith recorded by Imam Abu Dawud (Allah have Mercy on him) and others, The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

“Whosoever imitates a nation is amongst them”. (Sunan Abu Dawud,)

It should be remembered here that not everything what the non-Muslims wear and do, is Haram and unlawful. Imitation, which is prohibited, is effected in one of the following two ways:

a) One does something with the intention of imitating the Kuffar, meaning one does so because one wants to be like a particular non-believer or non-believers.

Doing something that is unique and exclusive to the non-believers or it is part of their faith. This will also be considered imitation, thus Haram (unlawful).

In light of the above, there are few situations with regards to the Shariah (legal) ruling on celebrating birthdays:

1. If it is celebrated by imitating the Kuffar in that all or some of the customs that are unique with the Kuffar are adopted, or acts that are unlawful in Shariah are committed, then there is no doubt in its impermissibility. The lighting of candles on a cake that number the years of one’s life and then blowing on them, playing of music, singing, extravagant and lavish spending, showing off, etc are all unlawful and forbidden practices.

Thus, if birthdays are celebrated by adopting the above-mentioned customs, it will not be permissible.

2. If the above-mentioned evils are avoided, then there are two possibilities:

a) If one celebrates birthdays with the intention of imitating the Kuffar meaning one does so because one wants to be like the Kuffar, then, as stated previously, it will be considered imitating the Kuffar, thus unlawful.

b). If there is no intention of imitating the Kuffar (and also the above mentioned evils are avoided) then the ruling on celebrating birthdays will depend on whether it originated from the religious customs of the non-Muslims and it is part of their faith. (It can not be considered to be unique with the Kuffar, for celebrating birthdays has become a widespread phenomenon that is carried out in many different parts of the world). I am personally unaware of whether celebrating birthdays has a connection with the Christian faith or other wise, thus I am unable to give a decisive ruling.

However, the criterion of which the ruling will be based have been mentioned. If the origins of birthday celebrations are connected to a particular faith, then there is no doubt in its impermissibility. If, however, it has no connections with the faith of the non-Muslims, then (and Allah knows best) it seems that it would be permissible to celebrate it (provided the evils mentioned above are avoided).

3. If one thanks Allah and shows gratitude for being blessed with one more year of his life, thus expresses happiness and joy, then there is nothing wrong with that.

Shedding more light on the issue, the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Tajuddin Hamid Al-Hilali, Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, states:

"A Muslim has a distinguished personality. He should not imitate others in evil things and leave the good ones. Talking to our children about their birthdays, we should remind them that on such days they should remember the blessings of Allah and praise Him for giving them life and guidance. It would be better if we ask them to offer something in charity as a form of showing gratitude.

Still there is nothing wrong if we try to make them feel happy on that day as long as we are using lawful things. It is better if we make it a day ahead or a day after.

We need to be alarmed and never allow Western traditions that are based on individualism, to ruin our families. Thus, calling birthdays is not accepted, for this has no basis in Islam. At the same time, there is nothing wrong if we use these occasions to inculcate Islamic principles in our children, like showing gratitude to Allah, praising Him and seizing the chance of this life in performing good deeds since the older we grow the nearer to the grave we come."

Islam supports the celebration of birthdays if it is an expression of gratitude to Allah for His bounties, sustenance and blessings in man’s life, as long as that celebration does not include anything that may displease Allah, the Almighty. In this context the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was asked about fasting on Mondays, and he answered: “It is the day on which I was born.” Muslim scholars take this hadith and the hadith of fasting on the Day of `Ashura’ (10th of Mharram) as evidence on the permissibility of celebrating good occasions, which have special significance in our religion such as occasions like the birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

In this context, people must be aware that celebrating such occasions, e.g. the Prophet’s birthday, is no more than a matter of habit, and by no means a religious requirement. However, if it entails any forbidden practices, such a celebration becomes forbidden for that reason alone.

And Allah knows best


Maa Salam

Jazhakullah Khairan

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hmmm, this is ridiculous to christianity,Does singing have any basis in christiandom,i need a biblical prove Please,

@combatant


Alhamdulillah, we started from the darkness to light. Go through my posts and read about my journey from darkness to light.

I was like davidylan and co but Allah touched my heart and I have been muslim and will die as one.


Salam