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CaveAdullam:
All this wannabe nairaland atheists. You claim God does not exist but yet you scream about Him all night.

"Wannabe." you have barely got through the first line of your comment and I get an insult. Even though you're someone who "doesn't do insults."

Lol...you haven't even got off from the start and your dishonesty is hanging out in the air like a thread. Smh

so perhaps if religious people stopped trying to control the lives of non-religious people we would be happy to let them ride down their mythology and fairy talish god to the moon and back.

god is not real but religions are and religion will never stop trying to impose its own views of morality on even people who don't accept it(Blasphemy laws, Homophobia, Anti-abortion etc) . So that is why we must talk about it.

Also, I don't see doctors not talk about cancer because they don't have cancer.

So the fact that we don't practice religion doesn't mean we can't talk down against it. So... AGAIN RIGHT up FROM the START we have got a whole lot of fallacies and strawmans to deal with..lmao but hey it is something I expect from virtually every theists out there. Grabbing at straws.

CaveAdullam:
OK lets goYou are not far from the truth uncle. Faith is tested and trusted.

Wrong. You don't need faith to believe things that are tested and trusted. You don't need Faith to believe that an electric bulb that has been "TESTED and TRUSTED" will start working immediately it is plugged in.

How difficult is that?

Think about that for a second dude.

CaveAdullam:
Faith is believing in the truth until the truth reveals itself.

yeah so now even if you just contradicted the statement you made up^^ there you're now starting to get the gist. Faith is believing in something that has no reason whatsoever to justify itself as true. So again you're proving my point, with faith you can believe in ANYTHING you want.

There's this thing? Yes.
Does it have evidence? No.
Can it be tested? No.
Can it be trusted? No.
Is it the truth? We don't know yet.
Then can we believe it and claim it as true? Yes ONLY by faith.

There is absolutely NOTHING that cannot be believed on Faith grounds...and this is what I've classified as the biggest downfall of faith. So you might want to go through my original post again to avoid making me repeat myself unnecessarily.

CaveAdullam:
Faith is me traveling with peace airline without first testing the accuracy of the pilot and the engine because I know they have always delivered and customer service is satisfactory.

No... actually on the flight you can ask for the authenticity of the pilots to fly plane. You can demand EVIDENCE that the pilot is indeed qualified to fly the plane. That is not Faith. Faith is RECOGNISING that there is NO EVIDENCE for something and still believing it anyway.

So you asked for the evidence that the pilot is able/qualified to fly the plane. And he cannot provide it. But you board it anyway. That is FAITH.

Dude take ALL the time you need to internalise that.

CaveAdullam:
Faith is me eating my mother's meal after receiving serious scolding from her without any any fear of food poisoning.

That faith is entrusted in the knowledge that your mum has been serving the food right after scolding you and she never for once poisoned it. That is the evidence you need to warrant the trust that she's not going to poison your food the next time she gives you one.


The real faith would be having a mother who reportedly poisons people after scolding them i.e you have NO REASON to justify that she's not going to poison your food (because she has done that a lot of times in the past) and you still go on to eat that food right after scolding you. That's faith. Hmm.... Is it difficult?


Again take ALL the time you need to understand this.

CaveAdullam:
Faith is me believing all the stories of cyanophyta, algae, thallophyta, bryophtha taught by Prof. Bacteriologist without first carrying out my own laboratory experiment to prove if he is right or wrong.

AGAIN.....DUDE the EVIDENCE FOR the classification of plants is readily available upon demand. You can go out there and ask a botanist why plants are classified like they are lol.(and oh...microbiologists don't teach about plant life so you're also wrong there. But I understand your ignorance about science).

CaveAdullam:
Faith is me believing that Williams Shakespeare wrote Macbeth, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet without actually witnessing it.

Wrong again. Not actually witnessing something doesn't make it automatically false. we will still need to investigate, look for records, historical findings that points to the fact that William Shakespeare did write the books even though we didn't see him do it.

You do not get to automatically conclude that you have Faith when you have not even looked for the evidence that William Shakespeare did write those books and you did not find it.

Faith would be not finding any evidence to justify that he did write those books and still going on to believe that William wrote those books.

How many times have I defined faith now?

Keep that in füčking mind.

CaveAdullam:
REMEMBER FAITH IS BELIEVE IN THE TRUTH UNTIL THE TRUTH REVEALS ITSELF. IF IT DOESN'T THEN IT IS NOT THE TRUTH OR IT IS NOT FAITH.

I am interested in how you can believe the "truth" when the "truth" is yet unknown??

so how did you know that it is the truth when this truth has not revealed itself? FOR FüçK SAKE DUDE how could you conclude that you're believing in the truth when you, yourself just admitted that the truth has not revealed itself?

HOW CAN I EVEN REMOTELY KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT THE TRUTH SOOOOOUNDS LIKE WHEN I HAVE ZERO IDEA WHAT THE TRUTH IS?

NAIRALAND WHERE'S THE FACE PALM EMOJI?

Dude you need to learn logic. Its going to be a total waste of time continuing this discussion because I cannot believe you just said that bullshït up there. For god füčking sake

CaveAdullam:
Those in nursery school and Montessori needs faith to know that 1+1=2 until they discover it for themselves by bringing together many bottle crowns and start doing the mathematics at home. Or after series of failures.
But this is just one side of the story.

Yes, we tell them first then we SHOW them EVIDENCE 1+1=2. We DEMONSTRATE it. We PROVE it. God dude! So that they can now believe based on evidence and not Faith. because we know very well that FAITH is NOT a reliable past to knowledge or truth. FOR FÜÇKS SAKE DUDE

CaveAdullam:
On the other side, how can we verify that 1+1=2? Is it because we were taught in school or because it is generally accepted by all?

Jesus FÜÇKING CHRIST!! YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT WE VERIFY HOW 1 + 1 = 2 FOR KIDS

AND

YOU COME BACK TO ASK ME HOW WE CAN VERIFY THAT 1+1 = 2?

Ok...Cave...go ask the kids. Because they now definitely are more intelligent than you.

CaveAdullam:
By the way who was the first person to postulate that 1+1=2?

Can you please help me Prof. Bacteriologist?

Why would that be important to the fact that FAITH is NOT required to believe mathematical equations that have evidence and can be proved?,

Jesus what's your IQ..11??

CaveAdullam:
Orville and Wilbur Wright believe their own special metal can fly even when it seems impossible for metals to fly. But When all necessary skills and tools were put into work their metal actually flew.
So you see faith is believing in the qualities of that metal until the metal prove itself.

Now this is the closest thing to a statement of logical reasoning that you have said throughout your reply.

The Wright brothers believed that a metal shaped in a particular kind of way could fly. They had faith in it and then went on to prove it. And so faith was no longer required. They put in work to prove their claims and that is why it is accepted by sane minds. BECAUSE FAITH IS NOT ENOUGH.

CaveAdullam:
Same principle for the ship.

By faith I believe water plus clay makes mud because I believe my chemistry teacher in secondary school even if I haven't verified it myself.

SO let me guess you're living in Antarctica and that is why you have never seen clay and water get mixed to form mud

Folks this is why religion is a cancer. Can you imagine the level of dishonesty and a logical reasoning from this guy. Claims to never have seen clay mix with water. Smh

I am basically laughing my ass off right now.

CaveAdullam:
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I won't risk throwing anything up if I don't believe it will come down.

Please I want you to demonstrate the working of the Human Mind and I want you to actually show me the mind and where it exists in the body like other body parts.

Dinosaurs were not real until paleontologist started discovering fossils.

Do not be in a hurry brother, just wait for the dragon episode to unfold. [/s]

Dude YOU ARE SICK.

CaveAdullam:
You don't use faith to determine truth. You use faith to draw to the truth or wait for the truth until it exposes itself. I want you to get this clarification bro.

of course bro faith without work or logic is dead.

I'm NOT YOUR BRO. Yes, faith can be useful when there's NO truth. When there's NO evidence.

I do get the clarification. It is YOU who is throwing words around sheepishly to look cool and justify your obvious ingenuity.

CaveAdullam:
That's why God has not sealed our brains and freewill because He wants us to investigate Him not only by faith but also by Logic. And up till now God is correct and with the way things are He will not be found guilty of all His claims and actions.

I am pretty much certain that your brain is sealed mate.

CaveAdullam:
I agree with you on this one, if you care about the truth, faith is not enough. In other words faith without works is dead.

Oh finally you get to agree with me on something.

Faith without works is dead.

But works without faith is not dead.

Faith - Works = Dead. Nothing. Zero. Zilch.

Works - Faith = Not Dead.

Faith = 0
And works >0

Therefore faith is useless.

So faith is useless.

CaveAdullam:
These are my thoughts prof. Bacteriologist. But I know this will be another circle of argument but be careful because I don't do insults.

Oh Hallelujah! can't believe I've come to the end. I felt like I lost like 10 IQ points trying to reason with you. You can be very sure that will never happen again.

I don't do insults but right off the bat of your reply comes an insult. Got to love.your godly honesty and humility right there...innit dude...lmao

CaveAdullam:
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Do make sure to respond with sentences that ends with a question mark(?) as I'm open to learning, corrections and suggestions. [/s]

You do not have the right to tell people what you think they should and their sentences with. and I certainly wouldn't be taking orders from you because if anything you have justified the fact that you need a lot of studying to do.

CaveAdullam:
Thanks.

God bless.

You gave me a good laugh replying to you nonsensical post. But I loved it anyway.

Please try to read something other than the Bible. You DEFINITELY need it.

budaatum:
In a discussion, one person does not set context unless one wishes to discuss with oneself.

Yes..so when a discussion is going on about fans of a music star...you can talk about electric fans and ceiling fans because context cannot be set by a single person, especially the OP.

Also, when they're talking about iron in context of chemistry, you can go about talking about iron for pressing clothes.

And then we can see how good your logic is...

budaatum:
A discussion is a careful consideration of the views of one one discusses with. And if you checked my first response on this thread you'd see I clearly set the context of two types of faiths. A sand one, and a rock one.

Yes!! How many more thing are you going to assume I don't know about discussions and faith..so you can teach me...

budaatum:
Faith is not just the lack of evidence sort of faith. I bet you have faith that you will eat today because you will work for you food.

Yes...I knew that.. but thank you for reminding me..Ohhh and also thank you for assuming I didn't have the slightest idea what I was talking about so that you can go on and rant about your own contextual definition of faith... lol

ItooWorWor:
Why is it that Shia muslims and Sunni muslims kills and bomb eachother on daily bases and i have never seen Catholic and Pentecostal Christians do such why why

Read History.

budaatum:
So you know there is faith that is not limited to "your scope of discussion"?

Discussion is when you alone don't discuss, otherwise you are clapping with one hand.

You do understand that words do have other meanings depending on the context right?

So next time you're having a discussing about the fans of a football club. You can start talking about hand fans and electric fans. Since sticking to a particular contextual definition of a word is "clapping with one hand."

budaatum:
Oh, but mine is built on faith that all my learning about bridge building is correct and that my model and calculations works.

If all you have to ascertain that your learning about construction is correct is FAITH. Then it is not enough to conclude that your knowledge about construction is true or false. It would only mean that YOU believe that YOUR knowledge about construction is correct.

Your belief usually does not have anything to do with the truth. Faith does not determine or influence the truth.

budaatum:
That is testing of my faith, which I better do before sinking millions into the ground.

No, you would need to test your knowledge about buildings not test your faith. You would need to, for example, take exams and quizzes, experiment with your knowledge on a micro scale or using simulations and use that to determine if indeed what you know about bridge building is correct.

Testing your faith would mean building a real bridge first then **HOPING** that your knowledge and the manner you built the bridge in is the right one. For all we know, it may well not be. And that would be putting a lot of people at risk for their lives. So thank you for proving my point that faith can and often is flawed.

budaatum:
Faith isn't just the untested religious sort. The building on rocks is vigourously tested faith.

No, we build on rocks because we have EVIDENCE to support the fact claim that building on rocks is better than building on the air or mere sand. That's not faith. It's a rigorously tested and verified epistemic process of building stuff.


I understand that faith could very well mean things other than the definition I originally used. But that would be outside the scope of this discussion.

budaatum:
The faith of some might not want to be tested. When I build a bridge based on my faith that it would carry you across the river, it better carry you across the river or it would be the last bridge I build.

It would also probably be the last bridge I cross. Except perhaps if I could swim.

I would rather cross a bridge that was indeed built using verified standards of construction engineering than take my chances with one built on faith.

budaatum:
My thought is faith that is not tested is like a house built on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose and the winds blew and beat against that house and it fell with a great crash. While faith that has been tested and found to be true is like a house built on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.

The wise choose their foundations carefully, while the foolish don't and tremble like satan is written to tremble because their faith has a foundation that can not weather the storm.

Faith doesn't like to be tested because most of the time it is not based on truth. Only what is based on truth likes to be tested.

This would explain why most religions are hostile to logical questioning and people asking questions.

If I assert that I have faith that a magical fairy in my bedroom watches over me while I sleep at night, I would become uncomfortable when someone asked me to maybe snap a photo of the fairy or something like that.

If I happened to be robbed at night for example I would look for irrational justifications to cover up my belief that perhaps the fairy was still watching over me but somehow my security got breached. Like maybe I offended it or something. (The same thing Christians do when a tragedy befalls them and they say "you let your guard down" by indulging in sin or it was "god's plan" anyway.)

Faith becomes irrelevant in the face of actual evidence because Faith has nothing to do with the truth. if anything, faith makes people care less about the truth because they can now fully believe lies based on Faith alone. And they can now justify that belief in the wrong because they accept it based on faith and claim it is sufficient.

Ladylite:
So how did you believe you are a Nigerian?

Without passport, without any proof until u were old enough... U just heard from people called your parents and you believed.

Yes, when I was a kid I had no means (of course!) of determining if what my parents were telling me where true or not.

However, as I grew older I can see how I am Nigerian. I don't need faith to believe I'm a Nigerian anymore because I can check my location on the map and see that I actually reside in Nigeria. I have lived in Nigeria long enough to actually be a Nigeria by naturalisation. So faith is no longer required to accept that I'm an Nigerian and that i am TRULY Nigerian.


It was the same thing with Christianity: When I was born and growing up, I accepted Christianity as the true religion, because there was no way for me to the verify the authenticity of the claims that it was indeed a true religion.

Until I was grew up and became honest enough to challenge my beliefs. After logical scrutiny and historical fact checking + a lot of critical thinking I found out that they were no good reasons for me to believe that the Christian faith was the true religion OR that it was even good or moral OR that it had enough evidence to warrant my belief in it's god.

Ladylite:
Thats faith. You who all your life you have practiced faith ignorantly, you now come here thinking you have an iota of sense and you begin to claim to question it.

Pls go and fry dodo

When you mean I practice faith ignorantly, it's hard to determine what you mean because I just explained Faith based on the contextual definition of it (according to religion).

Except you're saying that anyone who rejects faith as a good way of determine the truth never understood what faith really means which wood then be pointing back to the logical fallacy called the "No true Scotsman."

Read about that and why it is logically flawed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

so I'm sorry you're going to have to do better if you want me to take your acceptance of faith as a good way of determining the truth more seriously.

King James (who wrote the KJV) fell in love with men like himself during his lifetime.

Most Christians claim gay people are possessed without even knowing that the man who wrote the Bible a lot of them now read today was himself gay. Lol Religion and Ignorance are the two biggest viruses of the human brain.


Don't take my word for it, Christians. Look it up yourself. Look up the sexuality of King James yourself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4qVDwb2kBfd2G4Pkz3P88kZ/filled-with-a-number-of-male-lovelies-the-surprising-court-of-king-james-vi-and-i

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11089-007-0077-y

That is how religion works.

"Ours is the true one while theirs is wrong."

Its usually as a result of the ambiguity of religious books. The Bible is unclear on a lot of things. So anyone can pick the part they like and call it "doctrine." Even the texts that are clear can be given a whole new meaning based on "the revelation of the holy spirit"

And other denominations who don't go by that doctrine or interpretation are "doing it wrong" or "liars," "deceivers," etc

Even Christians cannot agree on which brand is the correct one. And they expect atheists to take them seriously lol...

MuttleyLaff:

ou do know, you can go to blazes with your worthless worship, that your nobody needs and nobody will miss when you hold it back, lol.

You're correct, it is the god of this world, the devil, who lead A&E to open the Pandora box and thereafter unleash the whole wide world with the evils it unrestrainedly released out.

"Those who love thy law (i.e. for example, dont eat the fruit) have great peace,
and nothing causes them to stumble."
- Psalms 119:165

Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, he that is without sin, let him cast a first stone, but then try the following questions for size. Lets from your replies find out somethings, lol.

1/ Did God force anyone's hand, did God drag anyone by the legs to go commit evil hmm?
2/ Has God ever at all advised you to do something evil?
3/ Have you Bacteriologist, an example of any living creature with breath of life in it, you have created or are capable of creating, lol, smh, hmm?
4/ Do you always like standing on a wobbly table with uneven legs and be shaking it, lol?

Fine, but then be looking forward to a fate that someone with your attitude deserves, lol.

Look around you, even your existence has God's signature written all you, lol

I am not obliged to prove you anything about whether A&E existed or not, neither about they did/didnt do the things the Bible said they did. You have the right and choice to take the Bible by its words, lol

It doesnt stop me sleeping soundly

You know what, when you have created, hmm, let me think of something very simple now, yeah, say, a common little mosquito, then you can climb your moral high ground, but until then for now all you're doing is having a moral rage and what that does, is it limits your correct and clear view of God. You see Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, you live in an immoral glasshouse, yet you start throwing moral stones at imaginary immoral glass houses while standing on the moral quicksand of the moral high ground, lol. It doesnt get hilariously better than this. The moral high ground can be a treacherous place, lol. Dont worry, if all that went over your head, lol, it will need a moment, for you to cop on lol

If being a Christian means justifying the killing of kids as moral and those that speak against it as immoral. Then I'll never be a Christian. Not again.

You can continue to serve in the slave masters religion and submit to your tyrannic god. (I understand how eager you are to be a slave as C.Hitchens once said). But for most of us who still have our humanity in tact as free from religious indoctrination. No we won't.

Oh and your scare tactics could only work for fools. Your god doesn't exist and so does the Hell he is claimed to have created either. Prove there's a hell and maybe your disgusting threats may b taken with the most subtle levity. If anything, your religion is what's hell. And that thanks to the evil, tyrannic monster called Yaveh you serve.

Keep basking in delusion and religious hypocrisy. This is the last reply you will get from me.

MuttleyLaff:

The truth hurts you more than it ever will me, lol. Your conscience is in a very unhappy and unfortunate state, it is eating you away inside you, lol. Bet you wont sleep soundly tonight, not knowing whether or not it's going to be the last one. You better make peace with God before getting under the duvet tonight to doze off

No thanks. If the Christian god was eventually demonstrated to even be remotely true, then I still wouldn't worship him. I would acknowledge him, but him deserving my worship would be way out of the equation.

A god who creates the whole word with evil. Creates man with the ability to do evil and then turns around to blame, curse and punish man till eternity for his actions, even though he created man as such; Is a vile, narcissistic monster who has a seriously decayed standard of justice and/or morality.

I would not worship such a monster. Anyone who does loves to be a slave. I don't. I would look him in the face and call him a moral thug.

Good thing Christians cannot remotely demonstrate or show this their bloated god called Yaveh to be true.

MuttleyLaff:

Though you conveniently pretend not reading the earlier question, I'll again hold out to you that:
1/ Has it not dawned on you yet, that A&E never questioned God nor complained to God why God in the first place created them, lol, hmm?
2/ Have you not yet thought that A&E never protested that they are innocent or that they dont deserve whatever was in store for them taking Someone's property without legal rights to it or the Owner's permission, huh?

You would need to prove that Adam and Eve
1. Existed.
2. Did the things the Bible said they did.

Before I can address your questions. Myths don't become automatically true because a book says so. And I can't waste my time debating mythology. So prove the claims and the authenticity of the claims in the Bible before I can even take you a bit seriously

MuttleyLaff:

Mr Bacteriologist Sanctimonious Holier-than-God himself, lol, making a grand show of being morally superior than God Almighty. Bwahahahaha ha. Here I was thinking I've seen it all, lol

Yes, I believe innocent little children should not be drowned in a global flood because of the actions of their parents? Your god killed little kids HIMSELF on different occasions in the Bible. I think I am more moral than your god.

I would help little children suffering from cancer and in excruciating pain everyday in the hospitals everyday if I was omnipotent. I would terminate world hunger. So children in Yemen, Somalia, Mozambique and the rest would stop crying to death from malnutrition.
Your god doesn't care. He prefers to use his powers to let Jesus walk on water and your pastors drive a fuelles car instead. I am more moral than your god. I am better than him.

Let's discuss this "Faith" thing. Faith is like the single most important thing in religion and theism in general.

It is safe to say that the basis of theism is faith.

I hear Christians for example, talk about faith a lot and they say that once you have Faith a lot of things especially in the Bible begins to make sense.

Same thing with Muslims. "Faith" in Allah makes you believe that Islam is the true religion.

But my main point is this why would faith be required to know the truth?

A lot of things we recognise as facts and truths today do not require any sort of faith whatsoever.

Does anyone need faith to know that 1 + 1 = 2?

Is faith required to make an airplane glide in the air? Or a ship remain buoyant?

Does anyone need faith to know that water + clay makes mud?

Do you need faith to accept that whatever is thrown up gets pulled back down (except held up by an external force/obstacle?)

It looks like faith is needed only when believing something that cannot be demonstrated or shown to actually be true or exist.

And that is the greatest downfall of this thing called "faith." ANYONE can believe whatever they want and CLAIM it as true based on "Faith."

Christians even call it "evidence of things not seen." Then I can claim to have a dragon in my basement/backyard. And believe it on "faith."

Faith is a good way to believe in anything but is not a reliable way of determining the truth. And it is not enough to believe claims: especially those with heavy weight as god claims based on faith alone.

If you care about the truth, Faith is not enough.

What are your thoughts?

Unpopular truth for anyone who cares to know.

We will not rest until you give the white man back his Religion.

MuttleyLaff:

You dont recognise that you're so self-conceited, swollen-headed and vain proud. Have you so quickly forgotten that you made this "Well good thing he doesn't exist, because if He did He would be one asshole that clearly isn't deserving of my worship" comment, hmmm? Now when I gave you a free pass dont stop to collect £200 at Go, but to head right straight up to the lake of fire with pitiful useless and worthless worship, you now want to play the victim card to the $hit you yourself with your own hands created, lol.

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Yes...isn't it lovely that humans are the ones giving a pass on behalf of god. Sounds like a true nonexistent asshole there right. The truth does hurt...lol

MuttleyLaff:


Correction. God who created man with the innate ability, not to sin

1/ Has it not dawned on you yet, that A&E never questioned God nor complained to God why God in the first place created them, lol, hmm?
2/ Have you not yet thought that A&E never protested that they are innocent or that they dont deserve whatever was in store for them taking Someone's property without legal rights to it or the Owner's permission, huh?
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I understand how Christians struggle with the ridiculously simple concept of logic but if Yaveh didn't create man with the innate ability to commit sin. Man CANNOT commit sin. That's how logic works? Might want to read that a few times before it sinks in? ( Take your time.. I understand how religion often dumbs down logical thinking skills)

MuttleyLaff:
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"But as many as received Him,
to them gave He power to become sons of God,
even to them that believe on His name,"
- John 1:12[/s]

Hope you see from John 1:12 above, that, I possibly cant be a slave, lol, but look at you. You dont even know what true and pure religion is, lol. Look again oce more, at you, lol. You think you're free, but the best slave is the one, someone like you, who thinks he/she is free, lol. Why dont you start taking super hot showers to practice burning in the lake of fire, lol. Bwahahahaha ha.

Yawn... typical religious nonsense. Might also want to start preparing for the Islamic hell and 4000+ other hells you're going to for believing in an unapologetic tyrant who kills little kids to feel at peace with himself...

Ascold:
Them Lala Won't Move This To Fp

God Epp Us

Which God? The same one that allowed the tragedy to happen in the first place? Religious people smh


Hope no life was lost to this sad occurrence.

MuttleyLaff:
I can see that some of us believe we are cleverer than God, some of us believe we can do a better work than God. Some of us believe we're smarter than God. Some us believe we've got all the answers, but really don't at all understand nor know jackshit, lol

Fortunately for you and fyi, God is not a sadistic tyrant, but quite 180⁰ the exact opposite

There is only one arsehole between the two of you and God. I clearly know its not God.

To hell and the lake of fire with your wretched and/or worthless worship

I remember while at boarding school when growing, as misbehaving students usually do, we secretly left the boarding to go into the forest, obviously up to no good. There was around six others of us altogether students, with me making the seventh. Then one of the boys, pulled out a black and bulging weird looking signet ring. We gathered round him curiously asking whats that ring, where he got it from, is it his etcetera. The guy, smiled, then said, nah, its his grandfather's jazz/juju ring and that, if he slips the ring on his finger to slap anyone, that slapped person will just suddenly begin to tear race and will continously be running through the forest jungle non stop. He said the person will only stop running on sight of a water stream/river/brook. We all yinmu at the guy and chrusly said: "It's a lie" The guy looked hurt, then quietly slipped the ring in his finger, then said, who is going to be the first, he try it on. Come see how everyone jaapa and did a quick disappearing act back to the hostel. Nobody waited to the guinea pig

It isnt religious platitude at all. God as you rightly know is Omniscient, so even before A&E ate of the fruit of the TKGE (i.e. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) had already had on standy-by, the redemption and salvation plan for A&E and ultimately the rest of mankind.

God knew He will have to come and die, if A&E should disobey the one, only and single command He gave. He told Adam what would happen, if he should take the fruit (i.e. another person's property, who is God) without permission or legal right. God let Adam know that he, Adam will surely die. Yep, it surely was, just as God warned and guaranteed, from spiritual death to physical death, is a slow death, indeed for man, lol. It was a slow, 930 years long, before Adam died, lol. The slow tick, tock, tick, tock, mortality clock came alive and started to tick tock tick tock from after the lunge at the fruit and subsequent eating of it. Thou shalt surely die, essentially is what man truly is putting into practice. Man, the second he is born, is dying. Is having a slow death, just as warned and/or promised will certainly happen, lol

Oh look! A sarcastically rare occurrence of a loving Christian condemning other people to hell when they realise they cannot counter their argument or present any other reasonable point....LOL

A god who creates man with the innate ability to sin then turns around and blames and also punishes (for eternity) the same man for exhibiting the nature he created man with is a perfect definition of an insane power drunk asshole.

Your god, Yaveh, is a sadistic, masochistic, egoistical, tyrannic asshole who doesn't deserve the worship of people who understand the concept of freedom and loyalty. Kiss the truth and let the congnitive dissonance flow through you.

I share the opinion of Christopher Hitchens that belief in God is often born out of the desire to be a slave. If you see nothing wrong with the concept of original sin then you are happy to be a slave.

Bask in the jail your religion puts you in.

MuttleyLaff:
So? So what's your point?
Are you looking for someone to point a blaming finger at ni?
You better make sure you're attempting to rightly blame the correct offender here ooo.
.

Oh so god created Adam and Eve knowing very well they would disobey and then he curses them for doing so anyway. That's a lovely God you serve. Can't you see?

MuttleyLaff:
What has God Omniscience and/or All-knowing got to do with it?
Bacteriologist, you see, it is things like this, that separate the men from the boys, that separate those with big chutzpah from those with shrivelled balls, lol. I am sure if the shoes were on other foot and the situation were to be reversed, with you being God, I'll bet my bottom dollar you wouldnt go ahead to create A&E, lol. .

It has everything to do with it bud. god creates everything including evil, he creates humans with the ability to sin then he turns around and punishes them for acting out the weakness he installed in them in the first place. Seems like this god is a sadistic tyrant? No.

Well good thing he doesn't exist, because if he did he would be one asshole that clearly isn't deserving of my worship.

MuttleyLaff:

In Yoruba parlance, it is said, when you're 1000% sure of your jazz/juju charm, you arent afraid to self test it, if just to confirm or not confirm any malfunctioning, missing component and/or a change in its set-up/configuration. It was a moment of truth for A&E (i.e. Adam and Eve), but, obviously not for God, lol.

Superstitious nonsense cum religious platitude. Next time stick to analogies that have to do with REALITY.

MuttleyLaff:
God was where He usually is and minding His own business. Afterall, the earth has been given and handed to A&E to look after and manage nah. He had no reason or cause to nanny A&E (i.e. Adam and Eve) because they were grown adults, capable enough to be left alone to obediently know to do the right thing and trusted to not take something that belongs to another person without that person's expressed consent and/or approval.

But god already knew they will disobey him by eating the apple anyway? Or isn't god Omniscient? Like all-knowing??

Shimran:
Pastor/imam/followers aren't the primary models of religious doctrines

Yes, so I hope you have studied all religious beliefs, texts before concluding that yours is the right one? I bet NO.

You most likely made your judgement from the actions of the followers. So yes, clerics and followers are often a good mirror of the fundamentals of any religion and it's doctrine.

sotall:
The end-product of that set-up isn't right.

How can Religion + Fear + ignorance give you Hate?

Rather it Should be stupidity, backwardness, underdevelopment, and foolishness

Most of these are under "ignorance" which is also fuelled by religion.

All religions are lies. Prove me wrong.

sonmvayina:
Is that not Why we have the courts and a ministry of justice to make laws and prosecutes those that flaunt it.... Do we need to add.. That God said..... Bla bla

Christians and the Muslims have no idea how scary they sound when they say that "without religion people will do bad things."

Are they saying that they are incapable of knowing right from wrong without taking their morals from an old book written by goat herders where for instance slavery and the killing of little children is supported?

This is why I classify religion as a mental illness as religious folk are incapable of seeing out of the bubble and realise that people can be good without religion.

It is even more evident that more evil has been perpetrated in the name of god than in the name of Satan. So if anything, religion makes good people do bad.

oaroloye:

MISHIGAS!



I AM DONE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE TOO RUDE AND UNINTELLIGENT TO ANSWER ANY OF MY POINTS.

You were not merely taught to read and write by the Oyinbos, but i[]HOW TO USE YOUR MIND.[/i]

They taught you to limit your mind to the level that they can still control you at.



By the turn of the 20^th Century, HARVARD Psychologists BORIS SIDIS and WILLIAM JAMES determined that the average man uses only 10% of what their minds are actually capable of.

They theorized that proper training during one's formative years could cause one to develop into a superlative genius. They tested their theory on Boris' son, WILLIAM SIDIS, and did succeed in making him a genius.

Their method should have become standard in Education- instead, it was more or less covered up.

After his death, WILLIAM SIDIS' mental achievements were downplayed.

He is largely forgotten, today.

The movie GOOD WILL HUNTING, starring Matt Damon and Stellan Skarsgård (1997), has been claimed to have been about him. That is a lie.

But in 1950, the World's most prolific author, LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD publicized the fruits of his private amateur research into the mind, showing that ANYONE could achieve Genius State, by a simple counseling procedure.

Analysis of his discovery will show that it is based on a paraphrase of TWO Chapters of The Bible:

[color=silver].[/color] LEVITICUS 11:1-47.
[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 18:1-35.

[See: DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard (1950.]

The ILLUMINATI immediately unleashed their Propaganda Machine, Mathematician MARTIN GARDNER was immediately dispatched to write a book to discredit DIANETICS, after he accidentally exposed what later became the CIA'S MIND KONTROL ULTRA Programme.

[See: SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL: The Prediction of Human Behavior, by L. Ron Hubbard(1951).
FADS AND FALLACIESIN THE NAME OF SCIENCE, by Martin Gardner (1952).]

He said DIANETICS' successes were a mere "PLACEBO EFFECT,"

L. Ron Hubbard was blackballed- professionals were warned to give him no credibility.

Whereas, his system helped thousands into millions live better lives.

Balderdash.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



WHICH RELIGIONS DO YOU KNOW, TO WHICH SUCH A DEFINITION OF MYSTICISM APPLIES?

"MYSTICISM" is not the acceptance of allegations without proof.

"MYSTICISM" the procuring of Proof of the Spiritual by any means necessary.

"MYSTICISM" involves making unpleasant and even dangerous, and painful choices.

"MYSTICISM" requires courage, diligence, discipline, integrity, and perseverance.

"ATHEISM" is the acceptance of allegations against Spirituality without proof.

"ATHEISM" the "HEAD-IN-THE-SAND" FRANTIC AVOIDANCE of any procedure that would lead to PROOF of the Spiritual.

"ATHEISM" involves staying within a "COMFORT-ZONE," avoiding discomfort, danger, or tedium.

ATHEISM requires cowardice, indiscipline, dishonesty, and laziness.



REALLY!

Who told you THAT?

Who told you that that applies to MY Religion- or any other Religion?

What PROOF did they give you, that ANY Religion is like that?


Who told you that "WE" do not perceive the gods, God, Heavenly Realms and Dimensions?

"WE" Mystics perceive them just FINE.

it is only "YOU" who perceive NONE of them!



TRUE RELIGION is not ANTI-MIND, it is not ANTI-KNOWLEDGE.

It is ATHEISM that is ANTI-MIND, and ANTI-KNOWLEDGE.

True Religion proves everything.

It is Atheism that has no proof, and says that others must bring proof- which it has ignored, and pretends does not exist.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 30:10-20.

10. If thou shalt hearken
unto The Voice of the LORD thy God,
to keep His Commandments and His Statutes
which are written in this Book of The Law,
and if thou turn unto The LORD thy God
with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul.
11. For this Commandment
Which I command thee this Day,
it is not hidden from thee,
neither is it far off.
12. It is not in Heaven,
that thou shouldest say,

"WHO SHALL GO
UP FOR US TO HEAVEN,
AND BRING IT UNTO US,
THAT WE MAY HEAR IT,
AND DO IT?"[/color]

13. Neither is it beyond the Sea,
that thou shouldest say,

"WHO SHALL GO
OVER THE SEA FOR US,
AND BRING IT UNTO US,
THAT WE MAY HEAR IT,
AND DO IT?"

14. But the Word is very nigh unto thee,
in thy mouth,
and in thy heart,
that thou mayest do It.
15. See, I have set before thee this Day
Life and Good,
and Death and Evil;
16. In that I Command thee
this Day to Love The LORD thy God,
to walk in His Ways,
and to keep His Commandments
and His Statutes and His Judgments,
that thou mayest live and multiply:
and The LORD thy God
shall bless thee in the Land
whither thou goest to possess it.
17. But if thine heart turn away,
so that thou wilt not hear,
but shalt be drawn away,
and worship other gods,
and serve them;
18. I denounce unto you this Day,
that ye shall surely perish,
and that ye shall not
prolong your days upon the Land,
whither thou passest over Jordan
to go to possess it.
19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this Day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore choose Life,

That both thou and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love the LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:

for He is thy life,
and the length of thy days:

that thou mayest dwell in the Land
which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
to Abraham,
to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

MY RELIGION SAYS THAT IF GOD'S WORSHIPERS CHOOSE LIFE, THEY WILL HEAR THE VOICE OF GOD.

How is THAT not PROOF?

If we are PURE IN HEART, God will SHOW HIMSELF to us.

[color=silver]. 2^ndCHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
Run to and fro
throughout the whole Earth,
to shew Himself strong
in the behalf of them
whose heart is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 5:8.

8. "Blessed are the pure in heart:
for they shall see God."

How is THAT not PROOF?

THOSE WHO HAVE RECEIVED THE PROOF OF GOD'S EXISTENCE ARE NO LONGER "BELIEVERS;" THEY ARE "KNOWERS."

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus unto them,

"When ye have lifted up The Son of Man,
then shall ye know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself;
but as my Father hath taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me is with me:
The Father hath not left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake these words,
many believed on him.
31. Then Said Jesus to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue in my Word,
then are ye my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall know The Truth,
and The Truth shall make you free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,

'Ye shall be made free?' ”

34. Jesus answered them,

"Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

['WHOSEOVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT IN THE HOUSE
FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

BY PHYSICALLY IMPLEMENTING THE SPIRITUAL COMMANDS OF GOD, WE OPEN THE CHANNELS OF PERCEPTION WE NEED TO PERCEIVE THE SPIRITUAL REALM.

There can be no Spiritual Knowledge without doing that.

Your ignorance of the Spiritual is due to your never having done anything from Spiritual Motivation before.

Ok boomer

oaroloye:


MISHIGAS!



HOW MANY RELIGIONS HAVE YOU EVER STUDIED, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SUCH A CLAIM?

ANSWER: Not even ONE!

All Religions are not the same.

Some offer proof of their claims, while others do not.

The only False Religion I can think of, at this time, is ISLAM.

ISLAM is based in an ILLITERATE man who encountered a Spirit Being, who used him to begin a new Religion, claiming to represent the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Yacub.

The wannabe Prophet doomed his Soul and that of all his followers, by adopting a Religion that violated the Covenant with Moses.

HELLENISM, the Pagan Religion of Ancient Greece worshipped Deities which may, or may not have existed, such that they showed actual evidence of their existence, and involvement with Man.

The Norse Religion of the Vikings is similarly based on Entities that do not need to have actually existed.

The Religion of the Aboriginal Americans is based on interaction with Spirit Entities facilitated by the use of Mind-Altering Drugs indigenous to their homelands.

Asians had similar interactions, but relied more on Mental Discipline to attain those states of mind required to attain contact.

Africans also excessively relied upon Mind-Altering Drugs to attain the Mental States needed to interact with their presumed Deities and Spirit-Helpers."



THAT IS A LIE, BASED ON OYINBO IDIOTIC RHETORIC.

Some Oyinbo-made Religions are like that.

Others are not.

Anybody who wants to undergo the arduous process of perceiving other Worlds is quite free to do so.

But whoever wants to be so foolish as to ignore The Truth, and hope vainly that It will go away- only to find out, all too late, that It will do no such thing- I DO NOT CARE.

If you are so foolish as to wait until it is too late, to find out that THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE- where you WILL suffer the consequences of neglecting The Creator in This Life- I AM TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT!

When I was a young man, I was even frantic with fear and horror that people would go to HELL, because I didn't persuade them to "ACCEPT JESUS."

I am happy to report that I am over that silliness! If anyone is so stupid as to RISK THEIR SOUL, they are NO GOOD to The Kingdom of God.

We don't need them for anything.

There is nothing they can bring to the table that we need. We don't want their MONEY, and we don't want their PERSONS. There are other Churches that feel differently, and will tell you anything, to make you a DONOR and a SUPPORTER.

They will find out that their supposed Wisdom was, in fact, foolishness.

The Good News is that VERY FEW SINNERS CAN GO TO HELL; the BAD NEWS is that what actually happens to NORMAL Sinners is MUCH WORSE than going to HELL.

The Souls are cut open, and they are fed to the DEVILS.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

If you want to see the process for yourself, no one is stopping you. If you are such a fool as to refuse to see for yourself- but still say that there is "NO PROOF," I am not going to waste my time persuading you.

I have better things to do with my time.



THIS is LIFE: THIS is MIND: THIS is KNOWLEDGE-

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 8:28-53.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'

36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed.
37. "I know that ye are
Abraham's Seed;
but ye seek to kill me,
because my Word hath
no place in you.
38. "I Speak That Which
I have seen with my Father:
and ye do that which
ye have seen with your Father."

39. They answered
and said unto him,

"Abraham is our father."

Jesus Saith unto them,

"If ye were Abraham's Children,
ye would do
the Works of Abraham.
40. "But now
ye seek to kill me,
a man that hath told you
The Truth,
Which I have heard of God:
this did not Abraham.
41. "Ye do the deeds
of your father."

Then said they to him,

"We be not
born of fornication;
we have one Father,
even God."
42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

48. Then answered the Jews,
and said unto him,

"Say we not well
that thou art a Samaritan,
and hast a Devil?"

49. Jesus answered,

"I have not a Devil;
but I honour my Father,
and ye do dishonour me.
50. "And I seek not
mine own Glory:
there is one that seeketh
and judgeth.

51. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
SEE DEATH.' "

52. Then said the Jews
unto him,

"Now we know
that thou hast a Devil.
Abraham is dead,
and the Prophets;
and thou sayest,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
TASTE OF DEATH.'

53. "Art thou greater
than our father Abraham,
which is dead?
and the Prophets are dead:
whom makest thou thyself?"

Ok boomer

rottennaija:
The writings of the bible reflects the limited human thinking of that time. And worse of all is that is being tampered with by religious apologist like the Watchtower organization, they are not just satisfied by deflecting and explaining away big issues, but they are actively rewriting it.

It's controversial but I think rewriting the religious texts to further fit in to the overall standards of life today and in future isn't inherently bad.

A lot of people aren't capable of critical thinking (due to education/exposure etc) and avoiding cognitive dissonance when examining their beliefs. (This is not a insult. They can't help it. Most times, belief is not a choice.) And so, many may be incapable of totally dumping it.

It may take a really long time to eradicate religion completely. I personally think it is best to rewrite these books. So that at least we can have less toxic aspects and consequently, better followers.

Religion must evolve if not it will die. This is evident in certain countries of Europe and the West where we now have LGBT Christians and Muslims. Religion is dying slowly there but the death would be faster if they didn't keep up with modern trends.

BlueAngel444:
Both religion and science as governed by man is bound to fail and be faulty.

Except **EVERY** progress we have made as a species today is because of -wait for it- : SCIENCE.

If science is bound to fail. It has done a pretty good job as it has helped us to explore and break limits and has generally made life easier for all of us. Including doubters like you.

What has Religion done except DIVIDE is and make us hate each other. Religion keeps preaching death as the wages of sin while Science is bent on makes our lives better EVERYDAY.

BlueAngel444:
Irrespective of each, the truth is the truth and it doesn't change.

Yes. And do you want to know what made us realise that the truth is the truth? Science. Want to know what continually brings us closer to the truth? SCIENCE. Religion gives us answers that cannot be questioned. Lies that cannot be reviewed.

Religion makes people care less about the truth --like you're doing.
Science keeps us challenging each other and driving us further to the truth.

BlueAngel444:
When science becomes religious to claim for a fact a thing that is a mere speculation amongst them then none is greater than the other but two necessary evils either side of a coin.

What the füčk do you mean by "science becoming religious" Do scientists have a worship center or a god they worship? Please let me know how you conclude that science can "become religious." As I find that to be a very ridiculous comment.

Science IS GREATER than religion. As I have already pointed out throughout this post. Your eagerness to undermine science is hanging in the air. If you think science is equal to religion then I want you to point to me an invention that was solely deduced from/inspired by the Bible/Quran/Any other Religious book. I will wait.

Both books if anything have attempted to keep us ignorant and to keep doubting science. And a good example is YOU.

BlueAngel444:
Both are means used by men. Simple.

Would you rather they be used by animals? Both are used by men but religion has been used for evil causes over a far longer period of time. Than science ever will.

Science is the future. Religion will die. How about that? Choke on it.

rottennaija:
Isaiah 40:22 It is God who sits above the circle of the earth. The people below must seem to him like grasshoppers! He is the one who spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them.

Does God really dwell above the circle of the earth? Is there earth even a circle? In fact, you observe correctly that "even hundreds of years after, people still thought the earth was flat and being held by 2 turtle."

But what you have not realise the that the limited human thinking of that time exhibited in the verse above by Isaiah because, God does "not dwell (sit) in the circle of the earth." Heck, the earth isn't circle at all.

See another below that directly contradicted Isaiah 40:22 quoted above.

Job 26:7 - 9
God stretches the northern sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing. He wraps the rain in his thick clouds, and the clouds do not burst with the weight. He shrouds his throne with his clouds.

You quoted Job 26:7 but didn't check what verse 9 says. Here job is saying God covers his throne with clouds. Which cloud? The one above the earth or the one inside the earth? Gods throne is not in the cloud, neither is there any cloud above the earth as science helps us to know.

So, if you are the subscribe to the idea of God sitting (dwelling) above the circle of the earth, how is it any different from those who ahd said "earth was flat and being held by 2 turtles." Both reflect the limited human thinking of that time.

I know you (actually the WT) only focus on the aspects that deals with the earth being circle and in so doing the expose the fact that the ideas in those verse are factually wrong and could not have been inspired by God's spirit.

cc: Bacteriologist

While I agree with most of what you have said I still cannot wrap my head around why the Bible becomes automatically true just because it gets the shape of the Earth slighty correctly.

The shape of the Earth is spherical (flattened at the poles) and not a "circle." A circle is not flattened at any point of its circumference. It makes sense to think that an all-knowing God when inspiring the writers of the Bible, would give the exact shape of the Earth and not some hazy description as the above.

An omniscient God would know the perfect term to use to best get the message it was convening across. A circle is not a sphere.

But again, even if the Bible did say the Earth was spherical it still would not mean the Bible was divinely inspired. The Quran also roughly gets some scientific predictions correctly. I don't see any Christians arguing that the Quran automatically comes from God because of those portions in the Qur'an.

We would have to look at the other areas in the Bible -including the portions in the Bible that have been completely falsified by science - before remotely concluding it agrees with science or that it could somehow have come from a divine source.

MizzPhoney:
OMG ! Are you serious!! Considering your expertise, I'll rather you teach me Sir...

No. I've got more important stuff to cater for. There are people whose entire lives are dedicated to educating people on the net about microorganisms. They will surely be better and happier teachers.

showafrica:
Well, depends on the dimensions, would you rather say wild animals are more intelligent bc, they dont destroy there home? Only if humans were also wild animals, the earth would still be in Eco mode by now and nothing will matter to us outside the planet. Our God will only be the mother earth that provides food and water, i can imagine how simple life would have been.

Intelligence is relative. Wild animals do not destroy their habitats. They always ensure there is balance. Humans will continue to procreate until the resource is barely enough. Then they resort to war and serious destruction of themselves AND OTHER LIFE FORMS. In this aspect, wild animals are more intelligent. We look like we could learn a thing or two from them.

The planet would definitely be more beautiful, safer and more peaceful if humans didn't evolve at all.

Literally speaking, nature does not provide anything for anyone. It doesn't care.

MizzPhoney:
So when will you get teach me about bacterium?

Why do I have to? There are literally millions of YouTube videos and billions of links on Google that talk about bacteria.

Quick experiment: Take a spoon and scratch the inside of your teeth with it. That white stuff is bacteria feasting on food debris in your mouth.