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Nothingserious:

Scholars at the highest level use history and archeology to confirm historical claims.
That’s the standard. That is how all other historical and even scientific assumptions are confirmed. That suffices today for Biblical claims too. That is what scholars and skeptics ask for. Unless you are developing new criteria.

No scholar claimed the Bible was literally written by God. They said the Bible writers were inspired by God through divine revelations to write. And the writers wrote in different locations and at different times but had a central theme despite not collaborating in their write ups. The old manuscripts discovered by archeologists confirm that.

Again, the central message of the Bible is same from the editions.
Do you have other objections?

What is this central message that you speak about?

As far as I'm concerned, the Bible is one hell of a vague book that that be used to defend or attack anything, anything at all.

It seems to be the most confused and self-contradicting book I have ever set my eyes upon.

https://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm

Refer to the above link for examples.





It would be interesting to know what central message you think this two/three-mouthed book is passing? So can you share?

CuteEmma:
So the NT mentioned there are not correct?

And btw oga, I don’t argue if bible is wrong or not.

The stories mentioned there are from the OT.

Here's a full list of why your holy book is a poorly written piece of nonsensical fairytales:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm

Nothingserious:
The central message of the Christian Bible is same and consistent.
Those objections you made do not in any way counter the Bible claims. Editions still have same messages.

Historians and archeologists keep searching for data to corroborate Bible claims. That is what is happening. Unless you have other yardstick for confirming historical claims.

My point is that a confirmation of the locations and even perhaps characters of the Bible do nothing to justify that it came from god or that the book is non-fiction. Because fictional books have real locations too.

Obviously, the Bible was written by man and on top of that the book has undergone so much change in the hands of so many people it would not be wise to think it still has anything to do with a god, or the truth.

And of course, I have not begun to talk about the moral problems in the final versions that exist today.

CuteEmma:
Epa, I didn’t get to crosscheck everything you put up there; I only checked the last one on adultery and it does not contradict. I have saved the picture and I’d check the other ones later.

Mmm ok. If you're ready to have the discussion..sure.

That picture only lists the contradictions in the Old Testament so if you need that of the New Testament, we can talk about that too.

The Spiderman comics also features New York and London. That does not make Spiderman a real figure.

The Harry Potter book as well contains some real life locations but we all agree it is fiction.


Your book may contain actual locations and objects, but that does not necessarily mean the stories and claims about the locations and objects are true.


The Bible is a book that has been edited, translated, re-edited and re-translated so many f*ckin times. It is a book filled with myths, contradictions and other sorts of superstitious nonsense. Discovering some boat out of the blue changes nothing.

Let's take a look at conradictions for example:

Full link:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm

omoadeleye:



See what you have developed in your life, you are always restless anytime religion session is going on.

You have created problems in your life, all the things you do in your life is to moan and lament.

Majority of us don't even go to church or mosque, but, that doesn't mean we should be attacking those who are going.

Do your thing and let others do their thing.


But, most of you people that do attack everything other believe in this world are the nuisance which covid Delta variant needs to wipe out from the surface of earth.

Since, non of y'all can't stop being a nuisance and mind your businessess.

Why is it not a problem when religious people preach their religious doctrines in public places like in markets, streets, public transport and pretty much everywhere else, threatening others who may not practices those doctrines with hell and all other sorts of scary ridiculous things in their holy book...

But apparently it's something that signals a problem that deserves death by a nasty disease when the minority try to respond in kind by commenting in online threads ??





That asides, are you advocating for a gag on freedom of speech? As far as I'm concerned in the religion section, atheists never wish death on Christians when they comment on atheists posts. Why? Because speaking is a victimless crime(if we can even call it a crime?). No one is physically getting harmed because of a post on a NL thread.

So why would it be something that deserved death from COVID because an atheist (or even someone else that's just critiquing) comments on a Christian thread? I thought Christianity was a "religion of love."

Or are you guys just being hypocrites like your Muslim brothers when they say "islam is the religion of peace...." hmmm


Lastly, given the fact that religion, including Christianity, is responsible for the loss of lives, abuse of children and all other sorts of humanitarian crimes.

It is right and, in fact, an obligation to criticise this folly, called religion, that has been fostered upon us by middle aged writers who mistakenly thought they were communicating with Gods.

The will of god... isn't it interesting how it's always humans telling us what a god's will is...lmao

Workch:
You think these people understand anything About logic and reasoning?
Anybody who accept the concept of a god does it by faith and not by reason. Such person will have poor critical thinking capability and will commit fallacies at will when confronted with sound reasoning.

I mostly agree with that however, the thing is, many theists are confident that they accept the god claim based purely on evidence or reason. I mean, I once did think it was reasonable to believe in the Christian god a few years ago too.

Conversations like these helped me see what I was missing, so it doesn't hurt to try and engage others in such conversations as well.

So.... when I post comments like those I try to engage them to try and see if I could expose some of the gaps.

chatinent:
By seeing creation.
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Your argument is circular.

You are saying a god exists because we can see what the god (whom you are still trying to prove exists) created.

You have concluded that a god exists and you're then using what the god created as evidence for that god existing in the first place.

That is a flawed circular form of reasoning and is not how you would go about proving anything.

You have only restated what you believe, and not what would count as evidence.

Prayer is an act of doubt not faith, for if you trusted your god's plan. You wouldn't pray for anything.

Hismasterpiece:
Your questions.

1. Evil exists/then why is there evil. Yes, but that's not God's fault. He is not the one that introduced evil into the world, Adam did. Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world...

Two things.


1. Why is it not god's fault? Didnt god create everything? god can only be absolved if he didnt create everything. If god indeed created absolutely everything, then yes, evil is ultimately god's fault.

So right off the bat we have a big problem with your entire post.


2. You cannot prove that the Bible is true by posting things in the bible that you already believe to be true.
That's not how rational reasoning works.

You cannot prove the Spiderman is real, by using spiderman comic which you already accept to be true. That is a circular argument and is a fallacious form of thinking.

If you want me to take your arguments more seriously consider using more authentic forms of reasoning to prove your points.

god is not all good. The epicurean paradox demonstrates this.

The abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are all aberrations to any modern society.

But Islam takes this madness a step further. If you side with this religion, you need to sit, and think long and hard on why you are not bothered to be affiliated with such a religion that is so synonymous with suffering.

SuperNova33:
Atheism is a religion of it's own but they make you think otherwise.

It is even a worst form of living.

Yeah because the religion that teaches little children that an eternal furnace created by an all-loving god awaits them if they don't obey is a very good form of living! So intelligent!

People generally are hostile towards what they do not are not familiar with, or understand.

Most people being born are immediately indoctrinated into one religion or another, where they're constantly told that a god exists and what that God wants, and why the religion is the best in contrast to others. Many people shape their lives around the teachings of these religions often till old age or death.

It comes as a shock to many people when they see people who don't reference their god or even argue against it. And with the teachings of religion like islam where you're directed to kill such people, or in the bible where they're seen as 'fools.'

It's hard to like or even show affection towards such groups of people when you've been taught that they're working for satan and they're going to hell when they die.

jesusjnr2020:

It must require the height of ignorance not to know that brain used to make hospitals work or to be able to fix anything that needed fixing were made by God.

Moreover, God didn't make anything that needed fixing. Anything that needed fixing was what man made out of the perfect things that God made in the beginning.

Genesis 1:31 (KJV)

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

If God gives you a perfect world and you turn into the disaster it currently is, it's completely irresponsible to blame God and not yourself

Lool you have no idea how senseless the post above was.

It must require the height of ignorance not to know that brain used to make hospitals work or to be able to fix anything that needed fixing were made by God.

Moreover, God didn't make anything that needed fixing. Anything that needed fixing was what man made out of the perfect things that God made in the beginning.

Did you just stupidly imply that the brains of the surgeons are created by god but that of the little babies who get brain cancer, brain tumors and other terminal illnesses was created by man?

Do you have any grasp of how silly you sound because you're trying to credit your god with the good stuff but shift the blame of the bad stuff to man?



SMH


And Moreover......Why should I give a sh*t what the Bible says about anything? The same useless book also said that god regretted creating man...a.k.a god himself admitting he made a mistake in Gen 6:6. Obviously the buybull is a silly book that can be used to exonerate and knock down any damn thing. So quoting it in this discussion is entirely useless and unnecessary.

You, sir, have a warped sense of reasoning. And you need to take a seat and then think long and hard about why you say really stupid things such as the above.

Yes, God does make mistakes.

The number of children that have been born with terminal disabilities, structural and genetic deficiencies proves this.

If god truly created humans and animals. Then the Hospital literally exists to fix gods mistakes.

Mr.Adeboye talking in the nonsense as usual.

wirinet:
You get time to dey answer him. He as zero knowledge of science or what science means.
He first talked about neighbouring planets when we tried to educate him that life in any of our neighbouring planets is almost impossible, he then sifted goal post to planets in the entire universe..

On referring to carbon based life, it almost certain that life cannot be based on any other element outside carbon. Why? Because carbon is the only element capable of forming infinite covalent bonds with other elements. It has the maximum covalency of 4. The only other element that comes close is silicon. And if life could be based on silicon, we would have seen evidence here on earth as silicon is far more abundant on earth than carbon.

Remember biological life is a system of self duplicating molecules.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks. I would argue based on your last statement. Biological life is a system of self replicating molecules from what we know.

Conscious life may still be able to exist based on some process that may not necessarily be self-replicating, we simply haven't found that out yet. Remember, life on earth already has a nearly implausible chance of occurring but it still did.

I would say it's possible that some other life process with an even more tiny fraction of that of carbon-based life occuring exists. And

1. It just hasn't happened yet.
2. It has gone extinct.
3. It exists in some distant planet that we can probably never discover.

Science is based on inductive knowledge a.k.a (experience) so everything I have said is Hypothesis.

And we can, in the realms of science, state that life cannot exist aside from carbon based life.

But induction does have it's own flaws. And speaking from a broader epistemological perspective, the universe is so large that it would be arrogant to think we are the only life that exists.


With Mr Image I like to state that when I engage theists like him, I do it so that people who may be reading at later times can see how dishonest a lot of them are and how warped a lot of their thinking process can be. The Dunning Kruger effect is best demonstrated by conversing with ignorant Christians and Muslims.

Image123:
Do you reason at all or you just read? Are the larger percentage of your teachers and the people who wrote what you are directing me to not theists? SMH. Read properly and reason, i don't say that i have not heard the phrase, i rightly said you don't know much about life than that. We know and pass the toys you struggle with in flying colours. We also know that life is more than toys. Really don't expect you to gerrit, it seems beyond your capacity evidently.

Did you read the articles I posted. I bet no.
Lmaoo

What does scientists being theists have to do with what we understand about life? Nothing.

And how did you get into my head to know "I don't know much about life than that?"

Did the holyghost teach you that? That its cool to make assumptions and direct actual projections about what you think about yourself on others?

god you're so condescending it's unbelievable.

Image123:
How can we expect an ignoramus who doesn't know much about life than "life as he knows it" not to exhibit confusion?

Yawns..So I digged up some articles about what what I mean by that term and how it's a phrase thats backed by research.

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0020302

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516796/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3718341/

I don't expect you to read it. Because I don't deem anyone who believes in goat herders generated myth to have any interest in actual scientific research and evidence based scientific terms..

But then again I'm slightly hoping you can finally put your brain to a little use, read some science and acknowledge that there are phrases you might not have about before.

Image123:
Definition of a confused person.

Sure....I don't expect a bible bashing science denier to be able to even remotely understand sarcasm. Or grasp other forms of linguistic commentary, It's obviously too much work.

Image123:
Armchair scientist, lol. Drum this into your skull, there is no conclusion that life is not found in other planets. Your gods spend billions of dollars annually researching it.

Yeah...no

Ola17:
E shock you?

Now how are you supposed to take someone that claims that ‘we have billions of stars in our solar system’ seriously?!

We also have millions of asteroids on earth!! Foolish scientists!! How dare they think they can lie to us and we will believe it!! We are intelligent!

Image123:
Do you speak English, because i barely made sense of the gibberish. There's nothing like life as you know it BTW, that's just an attempt to shift goalposts. Ordinary moon, we still dey explore. Very convenient to lie on your bed and make conclusions about other planets far bigger than 30% land filled earth that is still being discovered till tomorrow.

"Life as we know it" refers to Carbon based life. Life based on other elements might theoretically exist but we haven't found them, or know how to look for them.

So when we say we cannot find Life on a planet, we refer to carbon-based life, which is the one we know and can test for.

It's called basic science, rather than "shifting of goal posts."

And how really sensible of you to conclude that scientists sit on their bed and make conclusions about other planets. It not only sounds like something someone who has zero knowledge about how science works would say, it's also very rich coming from someone who believes what goat herders wrote in a middle aged adulterated book about the earth and the universe at a time where space exploration was practically impossible.

Maybe you should take your own advice, and stop believing in things that came from the least qualified people.

Image123:
However, read what i said carefully, i mentioned that "even" researchers have not concluded that there is no life in neighbouring planets,

Refer to this.

Image123:
Of course, the solar system is the universe, isn't it?

My first reply has f*ck all to do with the universe.

Mystic216:
Advantage for we that’s making money in dollars
That one concern una

Lol this statement can only come from someone who's not seeing the bigger picture.

If you're earning dollars it's fine but you still have to spend in a failing economy.

Earning in dollars is cool but it does not protect you from the other societal ills as a result of a receding economy.

Image123:
If i have not known you for years, i will say you read mischievously. However, read what i said carefully, i mentioned that "even" researchers have not concluded that there is no life in neighbouring planets, but you affirmed for the whole universe from your bedroom.

Life as we know it cannot possibly exist on all the neighbouring planets that we know of due to extreme atmospheric conditions. The most subtle atmospheric conditions are found on Mars and probably Venus, and there's still no reason to conclude that life is present there as well.

For the rest like Mercury, Jupiter, we can logically conclude that carbon based life does not /cannot exist on these planets.

As far as I'm concerned no one brought rainbows from their mother's womb. So I don't get where this "Christian Rainbow" is coming from?

Are you also going to claim The Sun and The Moon belongs to you Christians soon?

HellVictorinho:
Can you help me with any amount of money?

Excuse me?

This anti-science bullsh*t is why religion is a cancer to societal progress.

When has science ever claimed that the images of the superclusters and our galaxy are from cameras?

Even at that, do you have anything nearly as demonstrable as this for your religion? what images do we have of god, yahweh or any other nonsensical religious figures?

Even the pictures of jesus ya'll backward ass folks hang in your churches are merely that of the actors of Hollywood who acted jesus.



And YES, we can observe space from earth using special equipment. They are called....drumroll...Telescopes.



It seems the liar is you here, making stuff up in an attempt to discredit science and bring it down to the same level of nonsense that your religion is.


A massive L

You are only never a "true Christian " when you deconvert from the faith. Lmao

Oluwacolded:
All the item you can see in this picture are for sale

Is the tv still available. How much plz