You will make a good pastor then.
Lying pathologically is one of the good qualities of a true religious leader.
If that don't work, go into politics. Make your weakness your pay check.

You know it's going to be another bullshit post when someone who had a **NEAR** death experience says he DIED.

Delusion.

haddeylium:


which one is most complex
Cell or Spaceship?

You tell me.

A cell has many biochemical reactions happening at a time, up to 1 billion reactions per second.

But so does a space ship have many millions of programs and billions of calculations to cater to, by the mainframe, every second. Not even taking in the fact that the space ship is much much larger.

It also depends on the type of cell, the red blood cell would be much less busier than a brain cell for example.

So what?

haddeylium:


Good!
If a spaceship requires a maker and can't occur by accident.

And I say a spaceship requires a maker because every other spaceship I have seen was naturally designed. i.e I have evidence that spaceships are designed.

My reason for the response was due to a reasoning based on induction.

How did you conclude that life necessarily requires a supernatural maker?

haddeylium:


Good!
If a spaceship requires a maker and can't occur by accident.

Are you saying life is not a product of an intelligent designs?

No, I am saying we don't know where life came from..YET.

And I thought I just debunked an "INTELLIGENT " designer few posts ago. Don't make me think I'm wasting my time talking with a blockhead. No offense meant.

Back to the discussion;

You need to take a long hard look at the possibilities.

Life on earth:

1. Could have been created by a supernatural force (albeit unintelligently)

2. Could have come from other planets (another life form visiting earth sometime ago)

3. Could have formed from completely natural processes (chemistry and biochemistry)

4. Could have always existed..


These are the possibilities I can think of atm. Tell me how you ruled out all the other possibilities and accepted option 1 to be the correct one. And how you arrived at your particular god being that supernatural force.

FatherOFJesus2:
ofcourse we have to come here once in a while to have fun.

A today I got an evolutionary pastor who said variations and mutations cannot lead to evolution

haha...sounds like we need a diary for most iconic stupid statements from christians and muslims on nairaland.

haddeylium:

Can a spaceship form itself ?

No. And what has that got to do with intelligent design?

FatherOFJesus2:
Thicker than a wall, I’m here to school him.

Dude said variation can’t lead to evolution


I’m screenshooting all his stuppid comments and to project it in our class tomorrow.

That’s what you get when you try to learn evolution from the Bible

Haha seems like you're just having fun talking with the bloke.

Variation can't lead to evolution ke..lol..maybe he should publish his hypothesis in a journal for peer review and win a Nobel prize for debunking evolution then

haddeylium:

There's not a proof of life out of nothing.
So, you should keep the same energy

What has that got to do with the big bang? or anything I have discussed so far?

FatherOFJesus2:
I have been trying to convince one ever since that mutations doesn’t necessarily lead to new specie.

He’s just thicker than a wall, can grasp it.

He thinks every mutation will produce new specie like TMNT.

Lol I am following the conversation although I try to avoid evolution conversations with theists.

It's a pity when they think evolution is an atheist thing when several religious people now accept the evolution theory.

It just shows a lack of knowledge of physical laws and basic biology, when a person cannot grasp the simple concept of evolution. Maybe they should give us their explanation of why drug resistance and vaccination shots exist then.

haddeylium:


Omg
why is it not an incredible design.
Remember we're not discussing benefits..


Good point!
If you show you a working spaceship, and I claimed it formed itself in a big bang process...you would believe this right?

Ok so what do you mean by incredible?

I wouldn't necessarily believe it. Unless you can demonstrate to me that it indeed formed itself in a big bang process.

FatherOFJesus2:
Or what’s the intelligence design of a microcephaly, cystic fibrosis, Down syndrome etc

I’m even more intelligent than the designer

Right!

Classic case of theists cherrypicking what suits that indoctrinated narrative when they say intelligent design.

"When I look at the trees, waterfalls.."

"When I see a beautiful sunset.."

How about

"When I see a new born baby larger than the birth canal of the mother causing serious vaginal tears or even death to the mother.."

"When I see natural disasters.."

"When I see conjoined twins.."


It's just the hypocrisy of leaving out the death threats in the Quran when muslims say islam is a religion of peace.

Or the bible supporting slavery and genocidal killings and christians say it is a book that is morally perfect.

haddeylium:


It's not a design cos' it's harmful?

Tell me, can a trained scientist produce a cancerous cell/tissue from nothing?

It could be design, just not an intelligent one.

I just helped you debunk the "incredible" part of it.

But you haven't even proved how human body part is "designed."

Your god of the gaps fallacy is hanging out like a thread.

"We don't know x, therefore god did it."

200 years ago we couldn't put anything afloat in the air. Today we have gigantic metal structures cruising the skies.

That we don't know something yet, doesn't mean a God made it. That is a foolishly fatal sort of reasoning.

And something cannot come from nothing. Maybe try logic 101.

haddeylium:

I like the way you talked about decomposition. But how about composition of this incredible designs? Like how life get here?

Tell me what's the incredible/intelligent design of a cancerous tissue?

gentlesil:
if you see that angle, also see the fact that I said the killers even if they died and their kids inherites the curse, they don't have any right to complain of injustice of similar action if they becomes victims

You are even more morally depraved than I thought if you think children suffering for the often unknown sins of their distant parents is something a deserving, necessarily benevolent creator would approve of.

"Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe. "

-Albert Einstein

chukwuibuipob:
The god of righteousness89 is still snoring under plantain leaf

guy

gentlesil:

Any thing you do in this life, you must pay for it someday. You can't behead somebody today and tomorrow, you say you have changed with the hope that you will be forgiven. There's nothing like fogiveness of sins as preached by 90%
of The religions worldwide.

gentlesil:

Also I don't believe that any body is innocent of any thing happening to him or her. Everything is divinely arranged so that we have a way of paying back our debt that we owe nature, in form of wrong doings.

According to your write up, you are insinuating that the farmers that died somehow deserved the incident because "nobody is innocent of anything happening to him or her." and "everything is divinely arranged so that we have a way of paying back our debt that we owe nature, in form of wrong doings."

Your theory is not only morally flawed, it is egoistic and insensitive.

bamvik:
If only the youths in that senatorial district don wise up, because this is an oppurtunity to show they are in charge

I came here to say this!

gentlesil:

No, it's not ego, it's truth that should be accepted by all: there is nothing like forgiveness, every body must reap what they sow in this life. That is why God is not acting. Period.

read the text again to understand my thoughts

Sure...everyone of those farmers going about their business trying to contribute little to humanity providing precious food deserved to be killed in such a gruesome manner.

You're still alive and they're gone so your actions definitely must be more noble than theirs right.. how much more narcisstic religion makes people?

Why not show it to me by replying with more narcisstic egoistic shit.

Because gods do not exist and prayer works merely at the rate of chance.

Imagine being so egoistic to think one knows why an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, all merciful god did not save innocent farmers from murderous terrorists.

lmao

Flying a plane in hazy weather is no joke. Not to talk of landing.

But does this indicate that nigerian pilots are not able to fly using the ILS?

In the developed world, where there is even more ruthless weather, the pilots use the "Instrumental landing system" to land the plane. Even a blind man using the ILS properly will land a plane.

But what do I know, everything I know about aviation is from books and game simulations

Person: *dies*

Christian: *begins to look for "prophesies" related to any of the activities of the deceased*

More lies from the bible:

A talking snake
A talking donkey
The sun refusing to set
An omnipresent god playing hide and seek with Adam and Eve
a flat earth
Elijah flying into space on a chariot

It's a pity adults who are supposedly educated believe in such unfortunately ridiculous amount of superstitious nonsense and believe it to be true.

Mind games from Mourinho as usual. Believe this at your own risk.

banmee:


Una go just de type rubbish

Truly spoken like someone who has nothing inteligent to counter my submission with!

Congratulations Wale!

The Democrats have a dark past but they seem to have learnt from it. They now are more inclusive and accommodating of other races than any other party in the US.

The white supremacist and nationalist undertone by the Republican party and Trump was their biggest downfall. There's no space in the world for tribalists, both in the local or global scale(so called nationalists).

We are one in humanity. The earth belongs to everybody. No one brought a skin colour or land from heaven.

HedwigesMaduro:


Oooook. Have you ever cut your nails before? They grow naturally as programmed from birth. They don't need cutting either. Or your hair. I bet by now your claws should be like that of a werewolf.

Nails don't "grow" naturally. What you see are dead cells being pushed out. Same with hair.

But it would be a huge task expecting a bible basher to understand the rudiments of basic biology.

Try harder with your ad hominems that expose how ignorant you really are.

HedwigesMaduro:


The Bible doesn't recommend circumcision for females. Only for males. And to why remove what God sent with the new baby, are you also recommending that the umbilical cord be left on a new baby after birth without being cut?

There's a false equivalence there.

An umbilical cord will cut off by itself after about 3 days of birth. It's not meant to be a permanent body part.

The genital fore skin does not expire except being cut. It can last throughout life. You see, the two parts cannot be compared.

Also, the umbilical cord can pose a health risk (e.g jaundice) for the child if not cut early. The foreskin is harmless throughout the early stages of life and can only cause problems later in life (when the child can now make decisions for himself).

jamesid29:

, You seem to be on an evangelical spree , this one that you are even going back to revive old threads these days lol.
But it's all good sir... It's always good to share ideologies and have conversations.
You can read my further conversation with IMAliyu to better understand the train of thought...

Do you mind if I ask you a few questions of my own?

Lol yeah I can't deny that. There are many great threads lying buried in this section it doesn't hurt to bring them to the forefront once in a while.

I read the conversation before quoting you. You didn't seem to provide the beliefs in the discussion though.
But sure, by all means, ask me the questions.