[quote author=babasin link=topic=67471.msg1311819#msg1311819 date=1185037

What am driving at is for us to have a criteria for defining 'africa hero' otherwise we have outsider(non-africans) deciding for africa who is 'african hero'
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Outsiders were the ones who dubbed him an African hero. He has done enough for all Africans to be proud to call him a hero.

He is ways above any living African leader in patriotism!

Durr! how can efcc probe emperor of Ota? the man is still the president of Nigeria (by proxy) PDP BOT chairman for life!
hu be Nuhu Ribadu? e no fit!

Durr! how can efcc probe emperor of Ota? the man is still the president of Nigeria (by proxy) PDP BOT chairman for life!
hu be Nuhu Ribadu? e no fit!

They should have delt with their greedy leaders first.
Their land is despoiled because a lot of the leaders colluded with multi-national oil companies to neglect them. The leaders received millions of leaders from the oil companies without doing what they promised.
Nigeria paid billions into the accounts of entities like OMPADEC, NDDC etc, which were supposed to help develop the area. The money however found the way into froeigns accounts of their leaders!

These people should have been brought to book!

denex:

Imperialist Abi? Because he didn't let the Europeans imperialise his country, he has become an imperialist. Where did he expand his empire to?

He is the greatest African of recent history.

Yes he kept colonialist at bay, he was by no means the greatest African hero!
He ruled an autocratic and imperial country. He named himself Emperor, is that not imperial? He also colonised Eritrea. (Now that is hstory for you kid!)

It is a pity that Okonjo-Iweala and Adeniji got caught up in this, but laws were broken in the first place. It is clearly against the constitution to pay these people in dollars and above all other minsters.

Even if they could have easily earned these money in their foreign jobs, serving ones own country is a sacrifice and patriotic deal, not a for money venture.
They were apid these monies and need to return them.

This is another example of what mess Obasanjo made of Nigeria. We will for years try to clean up the monumental inconsistencies of this 'old thief'!

Why does the wife a governor need to travel in a convoy. This is an example of abuse of privilege in Nigeria. These corrupt so called leaders are the ones who exercebated the problem in insecurity in the nation. They stole all the money without giving a care to the securuty outfits. I say serves her and all like her right.

This is my message to armed robbers_ Please leave the poor people alone and concentrate of the real robbers of Nigeria. The kleptocrats, past and present. They have all the money!

denex:

Just pulling your leg. Mandela tried small. But the greatest African Hero of Modern time is Emperor Haile Selasie I. But they don't like mentioning him in european or texts because the man no let them colonise am.

Haile Selasie was an arrogant imperialist.
Mandela is a saint in Africa. The man is a legend in his own time. The number one patriot of Africa. If he wanted, he could have been president for life. he promised to and only served one term of office.
He sacrefised his youth and life for his people and nation. He caould have profited and become immensely rich like our thieving leaders in Nigeria, but he chose not to.

The only person in Africa who could have been compared to Mandela, is Julius Nyerere of Tanzania. 'The Mualimu' gentleman teacher, only served one term in office after helping his nation attain independence.

Only Nigeria leaders worthy of aclaim are all dead. Tafawa Balewa, Obafemi Awolowo, Sarduana of Sokoto, Nnamdi Azikwe. No leaders alive today will ever attin any such acclaim. Not 'third term cum life president and life BOT chairman' Obanasty Thieving Obasanjo. Not Yar'Adua (who is an illegimate president) nor any of the kleptocratic thugs who now call themselves leaders!

All drug pushers and dealers should be beheaded anywhere in the world. Drug pushing kills more people than any other vices. It ruins people and destroys families. It encourages and increases criminality. So my final verdict- all drug pushers be chopped (beheaded) like chickens. It is the height of indiscipline to become a drug dealers, importer or exporter.

Ignorant killing mobs. That is what muslims are. Once they are told to 'kai, yamutu da banza' the flood gates of mayhem are opened. the mob mentality deeds on itself and engulfs our ignorant cattle earers and beggars from the North. This is what is Islam is all about. They like to make noise about Southerns being criminals, but when is the last time you see one Christian denomination fighting another?
The last time we had any Christian uprising was during the inquisition. Look around you in all continents of the world, you see muslims bombing, killing, maiming, raping, looting and being generally unruly!
Serves the Sultan right. Now he can see that Christians are peaceful people, inspite of his diatribe about Christian evangelism. He needs to educate his people on how to be civil citizens and not barbarians!

Aneef abi na latifu, no wory afta de old fart don yamutu plenty amala go dey yanfu yanfu. ogoro and pamie go plenti 2. we go cal aruna ishola make e com play apala for meri and owambe. no mind militia we no go invite her for come sop amala and gbegiri soup.
we go cal area boys make dem cari de bodi troway for ground

Mamajama:

The reason why we still don't have electricity in Nigeria is because all the EX corrupt leaders like IBB, ABACHA ABiola and CO all had no idea what its like to sleep without aircondition or electricity. None of all this senseless politicians had the interest of the poor man at heart. Yar Adua should make electricity generation and stability the numberone priority of his administration as this will foster hope for the general populace.

I hope its not selective amnesia, but you left out Obasanjo from your list. He managed to spend 85bilion on electricity with nothing to show for it.
Opps my bad, he has a new airplane to show for it. (Excuse my amanesia) I must be getting to be like you!!!!!!!!!!!

a beg make una lif sule and latifu alone o. dem be adedibu  area boys de amala wen dem dey sop naim don craz dem finis. smal time nao dem go begin dey tok 'laila ilanla' wen dem wan go kill. na de kain politks dem sabi.

a beg make una lif suls and latifu alone o. dem be adedibu a area boys de amala wen dem dey sop naim don craz dem finis. smal time nao dem go begin dey tol 'laila ilanla' wen dem wan go kill. na de kain politks dem sabi.

Nigeria's religiocity makes people loose their heads (from being brainwashed) and talk arrant nonsense.
Adedibu is evil, he will surely die today, tomorrow or whenever. I hope he dies a miserable death, as did a lot of his victims. OBJ will follow sometime this year also. I have spoken, as it is said, so shall it be!

denex:

@Bankole1

you condemn Yar'Adua claiming that he was selected but you also go on to hail Gordon Brown for INHERITING the Prime Ministerial Position in the UK.

Why is it that we always accept anything "white" as right.

So would you have been any happier if Yar'Adua had inherited the Presidency? Nigerians! Condemning their own mistakes yet celebrating british crime.

Denex you have just exposed your lack of knowledge of the British parliamentary system. Also, you did not read the rest of my explanation.
The British vote for parties and not the person. The parliamentary members choose their leaders, who inturn form majority government.
Gordon Brown, was already a parliamentarian and second in command to Tony Blair. When the party decided to remove Tony (or Tony accepted to step down), it became incumbent on Gordon Brown to naturally step into the position of Prime Minister.

Yar'Adua on the other hand got an affirmative selection of one overbearing man and his errand thugs. This is the battle of illegitimacy which the Musa Umaru is facing. The albatross which will forever cloud his presidency and which appears to be confounding him!!!!!!!!!!
Learn to readbetween the lines KID!

denex:

You have answered the question by citing Dubai. So there you are. Muslims ARE living in a civilized world.

However, rather than come in the guise of a question, why not make the statement which you tend to suggest us towards with your sermons.

The Question I want to ask you though is:

Can religious bigots allow Muslims live in a civilized world?

When it comes to intolerance, no one can hold the candle to muslims.
Innocent people do die because of government policy.

Dubai is developed today because the leaders wisely decided to open up their nation to the world unfettered.

denex:

@Bankole1

America has a foreign policy which is anti-Islamic. It doesn't just end there. They use this anti-Islamic foreign policy to bomb more than 100,000 Iraqis.

This justifies for about 100,000 Americans or people posing to be Americans or friends of America to be blown up to bits. I don't think the count has even reached 10,000 yet. So about 94,000 to go. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

way to go denex, spoken like the true son of an extremist!

Good to his thugs ehn. I will be good to my thugs too or they might turn around and kill after smoking 'igbo'
yunk yunk yunk. me 1 a won sop amala and gbegiri

What about Alao-Akala, Agagu,Olagunsoye, and the other thieving OBJ boys who were re-rigged in. when do they start paying for their kleptocracy

Big B1:

We must be very careful in everything that we do.

Regardless of what this man has done wrong, I do not think it is appropriate for any of us to rejoice over this latest news. It is not our position to judge.

Please, let's be careful.

I wish this man and his family well. And I hope he changes his ways; because tomorrow may be too late.

We do have to be careful in all we do. What about those who take delight in being evil. What about all the people he killed of caused to be killed.
He has no time to change his ways. Too late bro. Old dogs need to die! they have outlived their usefulness. I have no sympathy for this man nor apathy for his people. They are much of the same problem. His son who was rigged in as a State senator will probably be worse than he is. Rotten fruit stays under the tree.

There is palpable rumor that Adedibu the evil man of Ibadan is on his death bed. This will be a shot in the arm for peace in Oyo State as this man has done everything possible to highjack the whole State.

These evil people think they will live forever. your turn is coming Obasanjo. The grime ripper is not a respecter of man.
So long Adedibu, good riddance!

Seun:

That civilized world is a fiction of your imagination. In the real civilized world, crime still exists. Too bad it does.

Seun please write like a grown up. Crime exist everywhere does not equate senseless barbarism. When a section of the society take it upon themselves to visit mayhem on innocent people for perceived wrong done to them or their religion, this is uncivilized!

You must be living in a make believe world if you think enjoynig the pursuit of liberty and hapiness is purely immaginative. even Nigeria as much as we have made a mess a things, strive for this!

@Afam: You are right my broda, you cannot oppress someone and expect him to love you. American foreign policy especially under Goerge Bush had been anti Islam. playing double standard that is largely in favor of Israel. Does this however excuse you and I being blown to bits, buses with innocent children and women being blown up?

Sincerity come from broblems being discussed in a sensible way to find common grounds.

Dubai (U.A.E.) is a model muslim nation far from the norm. These people made a conscious effort to depart from the senseless and theocratic ways of Islam, opening their country to the world at large to help develop and made a success story out of.  They built two islands oul of the ocean for fantastic real estate. This is why Dubai is accepted by the whole world. The reat of the muslim nations can emulate them also!

babasin:

what is civilized world?

who determine what is civilized?

A world where on has no fears of being blown to bits, where is able to enjoy the pursuit of hapiness and liberty.
A world devoid of crazed maniacs who will kill for a deranged reward in Aljana (heaven)
A world in which a prudent person knows the rights of his neighbours!

In America and Europe, Islam has come to be and accepted as one of the main religions with a lot of adherents.
Mosques are revered as places of worship. Muslim clerics, Rabbis and Christians leaders are meeting to find a commom ground.

In some mosques however, in spite of the relative freedom enjoyed by muslims in the society, clerics still preach hateful rhetorics. There are recruitments ongoing for militants to kill, main and destabilise the tolerant goverments.

This is apparent in the 9/11 bombings of the World Trade center, the train bombing in Spain and the recent bombings and plots in Britain!

Muslims ask for understanding and at the same time, cause mayhem!
How can one distinguish between the people and religion that preaches and call for killing?
It is only in muslim countries that you have beheadings and amputations of limbs.
People will do suicide bombings killing innicent people in the hopes of going to heaven and receiving seven virgins as reward!

What sense does this make? do we not have educated and free thinking muslims who can relate independently with the civilized world!

The biggest problem Yar'Adua has is that of legitimacy. He is honest enough to admit the fraudulent way he was (s)elected. This is why he is looking for legitimacy from opposing parties. It has been a dismal failure, except for greedy political jobbers who are only looking out for self!
his second problem is he is overshadowed by the emperor of Ota! (Obasanjo). Obasanjo is the de facto leader of PDP and president by proxy!. Yar'Adua is a puppet do nothing figure-head as he was in Katsina. Yes he saved a lot of money for his State because he had no clues on what to do then and he doesn't know what to do now.

It is good to have an honest man running affairs of State, but a clueless figurehead is was than a rabble rouser. A leader leads by actively participating in government. Deligating duties to competent subordinates. when a leader is under to chose his own cabinet, it speaks volumes about him. Two months is too long to let the government languish. Nigeria's public sector has been too demoralized and destabilized to be let so long without any competent managers!

Someone said he handled the labour strike well! I beg to differ. The ocassion of the strike would have been the time for him to assert himself and free himself of the shackles of Obasanjo. He should have lowered the prices of the petroleum products. This would have endeared him to the people. On thje ASUU suspended teachers, he had no choise. So far, Yar'Adua has been stage managed by Obasanjo's hangers on.

Gordon Brown cannot in any way be compared to Yar'Adua. First of all, he inherited his cabinet. Secondly, he is the maverick behind the success of the British government. Tony Blair was theflamboyant leader of the party and Prime Minister. Gordon Brown was the real leader of the Labor party before Tony Blair, he was dull and they presented Tony as a person who was more acceptable to the public. Tony Brown was supposed to step down for Brown after four years but when Tony and the Labor partybecame immensely popular, it was agreed to let Tony continue as the Prime minister.  Gordon Brown practically single handedly ran the economic affairs of State. This, Yar'Adua is a far underdog at performing!

PDP chairmanship: Obasanjo rejects Okorocha, offers him options
By Halim Mohammed
Saturday, July 07, 2007

Former President, Olusegun Obasanjo, has told Owelle Rochas Okorocha to forget his chairmanship ambition of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Saturday Sun can exclusively reveal.

Sources informed that Owelle Okorocha visited the chairman of the Board of Trustees of the party at his Ota farm on Saturday, June 30 with an influential delegation of Igbo top chiefs including real estate tycoon, Chief Austin and Mr. Andy Ubah, Obasanjo’s former aide to solicit for his (Obasanjo’s ) support in becoming the next chairman of PDP, a post that has been zoned to the South East by the party.
It was gathered that despite Obasanjo’s good relationship with Uba and Okorocha and having worked for the ex-president as special advisers, Obasanjo poured cold water on Okorocha’s ambition when the Imo State born politician raised the issue that brought him to Ota farm.
“You cannot be the chairman of the PDP” Obasanjo was quoted to the have told Owelle Okorocha without dancing around the issue.

He was said to have instead told the chairmanship aspirant that he had four things for him which will make him more relevant in the scheme of things than she chairmanship of the party. Obasanjo was said to have offered him the chairmanship of the board of any grade A federal agency and an ambassadorial postion among others.
Saturday Sun gathered that she ex-president already has his anointed candidate in the person of a former governor from the South East.

“He thinks that if he installs the ex-governor as the chairman of the party his hold on it (PDP) would have been completed so that hawks waiting in the wings to hijack the party will be kept at bay”, revealed a source close to the ex-president. “He installed the Speaker of the House of Representatives and Senate President despite oppositions from the hawks, so the only leg remaining is the chairmanship of the party so that he can have a party of his dream”, added the source.

However, it could not be confirmed if Owelle Okorocha took the ex-president advice but what Saturday Sun learnt was that from Ota, theImo State born politician took off in his private jet to Kano to continue his campaign for the chairmanship of the party.

It was gathered that among the chairmanship aspirants from the South East, the aspirant is heavily supported in the 19 states of the north to become the next chairman after Senator Ahmadu Ali.
It is because of this wide support he has in the North that gave him the confidence to approach the ex-president for his backing.

“It was Andy Ubah that suggested that Owelle should seek Baba’s blessing for his ambition.Despite Baba’s position, Owelle is undaunted” said a source close to the billionaire politician who was also on the trip to Ota.


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Comment: The emperor of Ota will rule Nigeria until the day he dies. Yar'Adua is just a puppet. We tried to tell the naysayers but they are dreamers. This devilish Iyabo's father (not mine) for those who like to call him 'baba' chose right when he chose the docile and do-nothing Yar'Adua. Dream on people!!!!!!!!!! OBJ mis-rules on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PDP chairmanship: Obasanjo rejects Okorocha, offers him options
By Halim Mohammed
Saturday, July 07, 2007

Former President, Olusegun Obasanjo, has told Owelle Rochas Okorocha to forget his chairmanship ambition of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), Saturday Sun can exclusively reveal.

Sources informed that Owelle Okorocha visited the chairman of the Board of Trustees of the party at his Ota farm on Saturday, June 30 with an influential delegation of Igbo top chiefs including real estate tycoon, Chief Austin and Mr. Andy Ubah, Obasanjo’s former aide to solicit for his (Obasanjo’s ) support in becoming the next chairman of PDP, a post that has been zoned to the South East by the party.
It was gathered that despite Obasanjo’s good relationship with Uba and Okorocha and having worked for the ex-president as special advisers, Obasanjo poured cold water on Okorocha’s ambition when the Imo State born politician raised the issue that brought him to Ota farm.
“You cannot be the chairman of the PDP” Obasanjo was quoted to the have told Owelle Okorocha without dancing around the issue.

He was said to have instead told the chairmanship aspirant that he had four things for him which will make him more relevant in the scheme of things than she chairmanship of the party. Obasanjo was said to have offered him the chairmanship of the board of any grade A federal agency and an ambassadorial postion among others.
Saturday Sun gathered that she ex-president already has his anointed candidate in the person of a former governor from the South East.

“He thinks that if he installs the ex-governor as the chairman of the party his hold on it (PDP) would have been completed so that hawks waiting in the wings to hijack the party will be kept at bay”, revealed a source close to the ex-president. “He installed the Speaker of the House of Representatives and Senate President despite oppositions from the hawks, so the only leg remaining is the chairmanship of the party so that he can have a party of his dream”, added the source.

However, it could not be confirmed if Owelle Okorocha took the ex-president advice but what Saturday Sun learnt was that from Ota, theImo State born politician took off in his private jet to Kano to continue his campaign for the chairmanship of the party.

It was gathered that among the chairmanship aspirants from the South East, the aspirant is heavily supported in the 19 states of the north to become the next chairman after Senator Ahmadu Ali.
It is because of this wide support he has in the North that gave him the confidence to approach the ex-president for his backing.

“It was Andy Ubah that suggested that Owelle should seek Baba’s blessing for his ambition.Despite Baba’s position, Owelle is undaunted” said a source close to the billionaire politician who was also on the trip to Ota.

Comment: The emperor of Ota will rule Nigeria until the day he dies. Yar'Adua is just a puppet. We tried to tell the naysayers but they are dreamers. This devilish Iyabo's father (not mine) for those who like to call him 'baba' chose right when he chose the docile and do-nothing Yar'Adua. Dream on people!!!!!!!!!! OBJ mis-rules on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mamajama:

Bankole01 stop all this Yoruba inscription, damn my parents will be ashamed of me not being able to speak or write in Yoruba fluently. KAI

How person dey YANKEE still they write Yoruba proper like area boys, lol

Yoruba home vides brother, that is my source. Now, you know

Mamajama:

So in essence it's OKAY for someone to steal if you will be protected by the upper class?  they were is equality before the law?  where is the moral and how will you eradicate corruption that way?

I am not against the probe, but why are they now going after him because he opposed OBJ guy and DAVID MARK?  that is partisan politics to me and GOD don't like UGLY.

One day boy I am going to slap you. You wax hot and cold all the time.
You know as well as we all do, that--'crossing obj is the begining of foolishness' This is when all your evil thieving deeds gets revealed. All the ones who had been friends and bossum buddies become enemies. This is when you know there is justice in town.

"ole lo mo ese ole to lori apata" only a thief can read the footprints of another thief on bare stones"
@Afam:

you talk true my broda. Nigeria will be the ultimate winner.

Let the fights and revelations begin!!!!! ding ding ding!

Mamajama:

Sultan and Emir? how privileged are this people? do they even have any say in government any more?

Mamajama, mamajama, mamajama, how many times a don call you, ehn.
Pls my broda don't act ignorant. The Sultan and the Emirs are at the fore front of the call for unity government because they want to consolidate Northern power. They have been at the fore front for years. The military boys were able to wittle their powers a little but they bounced back. most of the northern leaders are now almost all ex-military generals.

Yes, they have a lot of say in government. They also know this is an Obasanjo government by proxy and they are in a battle to wittle OBJ's influence on the feeble Yar'Adua.

Look at the list of ministerial appointments. They are mostly OBJ boys and girls, mostly Northerners and or muslims!!!!!

@mamajama:
"eni t'o gbodo mi" means the one who ate too much. A person who swallows a mortar, can neither stand nor sit.
Your Obasanjo is a greedy man who failed at his attempt to rule. Now he is ruling by proxy. If he doesn't stay in the scheme of things, he knows the Hausa/Fulani oligarchy will destroy him. forget about Yar'Adua running the affairs of nation. It is the Sultan and the Emirs besides Obasanjo who will now run Nigeria under the ground!!!!!!!!