@ denex
I'm sorry I didn't warn you about stating very obvious facts. Some call them lies because they think they have the knowledge they actually lack.

Peace. No need to fight.

@tayoD
"For one, the Clinton's relationship with the Mornarchy in the Middle East is far closer than that of Bush. You lie when you say the price at the pumps keep going up. I bought gas into my wife's car last week for $2.38/gallon, and I just filled my car this morning at $2.03/gallon! Why can't you guys be truthful for once?"

When did this become a personal issue between you and I? Where do you live man? gas at $2.03/ gallon?
Look I live in Denver, Co. There are two refineries within ten miles of my home,and I bought discount gas yesterday at $3.19/ gallon at Kingsoopers stores.
Is this a lie? You need to be more logical when you argue brother, guard your temperament and don't be childish!!!!!!!!!!

Ndipe:

@ebeledi, are you implying that prior to colonialism, African tribes were at peace with each other?

With regards to religion, I highly doubt if Christianity was practised by the pre-colonial leaders. The traditional religion which has persisted in todays society is proof that its origin did not occur overnight, but dates back to as far as the pre-colonial age. I know that Christianity is a blessing to me, as well as to the outside world and I stand by it. Read "Things Fall Apart" to get a better grasp on the religion of the villagers, prior to the arrival of the white man. Now, tell me, how a mere idol can serve as an intercessor between God and Man. While being hailed as a classic, the novel, in my opinion has only justified the extent of the backwardness in our culture, that in today's society, would be condemnable. Read about the fate of Ikemefuna, the role of women in the society, etc. Sure, colonialism has its ills, but I'd like to think that its overall benefits overrides its short-comings. Blaming colonialism for the under-development in Africa is tantamount to not accepting blame for your own actions. If we had more than a few visionary leaders aside from Thomas Sankara, Africa would be among the leagues of the super powers, because of our natural resources.

PS: If you feel that colonialism is a deterrent to the development of Africa, hey, refrain from using the inventions of colonialism, and return back to our 'blissful' past.

Inventions are not the purview of any one person or group of people or culture. It is a natural occurence of a thinking person.
Colonialism on the other hand, is a killer of culture, innovations, expressions and sets back than natural selection and advancement of a people. This is what colonialism has done to Africa.

Besides the land grab and disorientation of tribal lands, the convoluted countries created as a result are experiencing strife today because of the ignorance of their colonial creators.

The argument of whether we got advancement as aresult, does not hold water or even air. Nigeria and most other African cultures would have evolved faster to either import or develop an advanced society of our own which would have been better understood. Instead we have techonologies sent to us, of which we lack comprehension.

Egypt was a better advanced nation pre-colonialism than most European countries of the day. Persia had better art and phylosophers than Europe. Bronze was being minted in Benin when the europeans were still living in caves.
Colonialism was a curse on Africa as it was on the Mayans and Incas. It was devastating on our cultures and retarded our natural evolution.

As for religion, the indegenes pre-christianity were very cognisant of a higher being (Olodunmare) in Yoruba. Our deities were mere intercessors to God. They were emissaries sent by God to work for us. Ifa the oracle was and is just the voice of Olodumare, not a god in itself. Christianity and Islam opened the way to slavers and colonialists. they today have more demi-gods than all the deities of the land. It has been used as a tool of strife and oppression and turned to big business.

It was alleged by the Labor party that PDP might be responsible for the killing to cover up the activities of this amn during the last (s)elections.
I find this very plausible given the massive rigging and thuggery which accompanied the botched elections.

I-man:

If you bothered to read through this thread,you would have seen where I posted a link dealing with approval ratings-http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htmhttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/president_bush_job_approval . Good luck in locating the 26% approval rating.Another blatant lie.

That Bush has a 26% approval rating is no lie. I live in America and this is his latest approval rating according to recent polls.

Clinton id not start an unnecessary war. He bombed Afganistan to punish the Taliban and Alqeda for the bombing of American embassy in Kenya and the bombing of American warship in UAE.

Someone said he lied under oath about not having sex with his intern! handling someone does not equate sex. Why was the House concerning itself to infidelity as if it was life threatening. It was witch hunt plain and simple.

Bush may have increased the sieze of the military. His wars on so many front has been very devastating for the military and thay are weaker at this time than any time in history.

His environmental policy was only geared towards big business who have continued to gouge and fleece the public at will, without recourse. Even Republicans are regreting voting for him and this is why they lost massively in the last elections.

That America today is enjoying a robust economy has nothing to do with Bush. It more to do with the racing economy of China and the Axis Tigers than with America as a whole. The acolades here do not go to Bush. The fact is American motor companies are losing market shares to Japan.

The unprescedented rise in gas has a lot to do with Bush because of his close relation to oil companies. The price of oil has actually gone down in the last few days yet price at the pumps keep going up.
It was also reported that the oils companies are delibrately keeping prices up by refining less oil to artificialy inflate prices. This is why the Congress had decided to wade in inti this murky business.

Conclusion, Bush has been bad for America!!!!!!!!!!!!

Corrections. If Bush were a Democrat, he would have been impeached. Bill Clinton didn't break laws nor lied to put the country at war, yet the Republicans (whom I classify as hateful) wanted to impeach him for the mere fact that they couldn't get him out as much as they tried.

"If you call basing his action on faulty intelligence lies, then I guess he is a Liar in your own world!"

Faulty intelligence or orchestrated lies calculated to decieve and wrongly push the nation into a devastating war.

Gas at $3.39/gal is gouging of the public. This only happened under the presidency and watch of Bush. This resulted in massive profit of billions for the oil companies. Even with the congress threatening to pass legislation to curb the excesses of the oil companies, Bush is said to promise a veto if such legislation is passed. If this is not corrupt and one sided, I don't know what is.

The environment under Bush has never faced a worse degradation, for a man who could not even pronounce nuclear, calling it 'nucular'

Under Bush, the military has been so devastated and thinned out that they could not marshal enough forces to be of any threat to Iran. Iran knows these only too well, that is why they are thumbing their noses at the US and the World with their nuclear program.

When Bush turned the military to the World police by sending them on cowboy missions and fighting on several fronts, he made the military weak.

Whether I-man plagiarised or not, the fact remains that he was able to list the inconsistencies of Bush.

Can anybody remember his whole cabinet walking out of a UN general meeting? That was so ridiculous and childish. Quite uncalled for from a US president. This is why his foreign policy has been a disaster. This prompted Colin Powell to quit his rudderless administration.

No American president has been more hated  by the World and his own people. He has an approval rating of a mere 26%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The past administration of Obasanjo was the bane of Nigeria. Notr only did he bully other African nations, he used our money to oppress and belittle other African nations. Obasanjo tried unsuccessfully to hold on to the AU chairman post. This is why nigeria lost respect and face among other African nations.
As for Cameroon, Nigeria should never have ceeded Bakasi to them. Nigeria was made a laughing stock for this one point and lost a lot of respect.

Support Bush if you want. As far as I am concerned, Bush is a boob and a bumbling moroon.
First, he could never have been pressident if the Supreme court appointed by his father had not given him an affirmative vote. He had a stolen mandate.
His foreign policy was non-existent. He maligned a lot of nations and the UN body itself.
He started an unnecessary war in Iraq, telling lies to support to support need for war.
His presidency is the most corrupt in American history, turning the war in Iraq to business, making a lot money for friends. His vice becoming a billioneer from the proceeds of war.
He mortgaged peoples lifes to big business, especially the oil companies. Gas prices in America rose unprecedented to the highest prices in ages.
Gas is now selling an average of $3.39/gal.
Bush's administration has been a disaster for Americans. He was democrat, the hateful Republicans would have impeached him!!!!!!!!!!!!

OBJ is not only the chairman of BOT PDP, he is the de facto emperor of Nigeria. He owns all the hired killers in the country too. Yar'Adua can't touch him, unless he killed outright.

ToToChoper:

One cannot juxtapose the two; Yaradua and Awolowo by any standards other than the fact they were teachers and both are(were) politicians.

And with politics, while Awolowo remains an icon in Nigerian history as ELECTED the 1st leader of the West even before our independence, Yaradua on the other hand is merely a product our corrupt Presidential election, dubiously SELECTED by the contriving outgoing President.

In plain English, Yaradua is Obasanjo’s bitch for life…, a favor for a favor

You can't build a good house on flawed foundation. Yar'Adua does not enjoy the mandate of Nigerians. No matter the pomp and pagentry of his inaguration, he remains a fruad imposed on Nigerians. To legitimise his presidency, he needs to conduct a new free and fair elections with a revamped and independent electoral body. Otherwise, he will remain weakened and inconsequential all his official life!!!!!!!!!!

That is only the tip of the iceberg. Obasanjo will sit in comfort for the rest of his miserable life while the average man on the street will continue to suffer. What then is his achivement besides the overated acumens given to him?
I think you are forgeting all the public enterprises sold to him and friends. Transcorp is partly owned by him and his crooked friends.
The man is, was and will always remain the most corrupt thieving president Nigeria ever had the misfortune of being imposed on her!!!!!!!!

Flawed polls may hurt Nigeria's bid for UN seat
From Martins Oloja, Abuja Bureau Chief

NOTWITHSTANDING the successful inauguration of the Umaru Musa Yar'Adua administration on Tuesday, the international community is yet to put behind it the controversial elections that produced his government.

Several nations, which are unimpressed with the conduct of the April polls, are reportedly reviewing the support for Nigeria for one of Africa's seats in an expanded United Nations (UN) Security Council.

The outcome of the polls, The Guardian gathered, had diminished the country's chances of securing the coveted seat.

In its latest report titled Nigeria: Failed elections, failing state? published yesterday, a global conflict prevention body, the International Crisis Group (ICG) based in Brussels, Belgium, says Nigeria's case for that honour "has now been seriously damaged."

According to the report, "many diplomats believe that if a permanent African Security Council seat had to be decided today, Nigeria would trail South Africa, Egypt and possibly Algeria ".

But in his inaugural speech, President Yar'Adua admitted pitfalls in the country's electoral process, and promised a redress in the electoral process when he declared: "We acknowledge that our elections had some shortcomings. Thankfully, we have well-established legal avenues of redress, and I urge everyone aggrieved to pursue them. I also believe that our experiences represent an opportunity to learn from our mistakes."

The President said he would set up a panel to examine the entire electoral process with a view to ensuring that "we raise the quality and standard of our general elections, and thereby deepen our democracy."

However, the influential group, which former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan once described as "a global voice of conscience and a genuine force for peace," observes that Nigeria's failed election had undermined its status as a democracy.

The bungled election, the report says, has diminished confidence in the democratic process, especially among the electorate who were the biggest losers, and exacerbated existing tensions in the Niger Delta. It may also be re-igniting separatist agitation by the Movement for the Actualisation of the Sovereign State of Biafra (MASSOB) in the South-East, due to diminished trust in governing institutions.

On the international scene, ICG pointed out that the elections have weakened Nigeria's position as a broker of peace and a champion of democracy in Africa.

The report further said the transition to a hand-picked successor through a flawed election was more like a dynastic succession, which falls far short of international standards for democratic maturity. It says that with Nigeria's capacity to deal with its many internal conflicts now weakened, the country may be heading to a troubled future unless Yar'Adua acts urgently to pull it back from the brink.

"Nigeria's democracy has derailed", says Carolyn Norris, the group's West Africa Project Director. "Yar'Adua has to understand that no number of overtures will satisfy the opposition and especially the aggrieved civilian public, unless and until his administration engages seriously on the very broad agenda that needs to be faced if Nigeria is to confront its existing and pending crises effectively."

The report notes that engaging with these issues requires a government that enjoys legitimacy in the eyes of its people and can enlist their co-operation, but that Yar'Adua has assumed the Presidency with less legitimacy than any previous elected Nigerian President. He may therefore have less capacity to moderate and resolve Nigeria's violent domestic conflicts.

"Concerted measures are required within the next few weeks to heal the most evident wounds of the elections", ICG's Director of African Programme, Mr. Francois Grignon said.

He added that "immediate steps must be taken to build government legitimacy and avoid any further slide to state failure."

Foremost among those immediate steps, according to the group is for Yar'Adua to work hard and fast in building the legitimacy of his administration. Another priority is to work with the opposition to form an inclusive government of national unity, not by co-opting individuals but rather by accepting only the official nominees of opposition parties. He must also overhaul the discredited leadership of the electoral commission and set up an independent inquiry to identify responsibility for electoral fraud, the report adds.

The ICG also calls on the Senate to launch a judicial inquiry into the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC's) financial management, and initiate a national, all-stakeholder conference towards comprehensive electoral reforms.

Meanwhile, the group has urged the UN, United States (U.S.) and European Union (EU) to give material and technical aid to election tribunals. It equally asked the African Union (AU) and the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) to encourage the Yar'Adua administration to move fast towards ensuring electoral justice, inclusiveness and reconciliation.
http://: www.ngrguardiannews.com

Comment: As much as we pretend that everything is okay, and that things will work themselves out, we still have a lot of work to do to address the fruad called April elections.
Too many peoples horses were gored that it will be virtually impossible to placate everyone.
Not a suscriber to the agitations of MASSOB, there a tenable arguments to their grievances.
The Niger Delta area had been more marginalised than any other sector.
With the NASS and Senate and country virtually and firmly in PDP hands, the counrty in moving towards communism and fascism.
Can Ya'Adua address all these ills, can he build a solid house on a shakey and fruadulent foundation?
AS much as we don't want any outside interference, lets face it Nigeria or any other nation in the world cannot survive on her own without imput from foreign nations. We are a comity of nations.

Obasanjo again shows his love for Nigerians by further making then poorer. After making promises in 1999 to make turn around maintainance of the refineries and wasting or stealing $900 million dollars.

He again raises the prise of fuel for the seventh time, so he and his fuel importer friends can make more money at the expense of the poor masses.

His supporters must jumping up and down for joy at this maverick parting gift.

Lets say eight gbosas for obachanjo for hi eight years of mis-rule and the sapping of the poor.
gbosa gbosa gbosa gbosa gbosa gbosa gbosa gbosa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McKren:

What I find very funny in this whole drama is how the Senate President will be chosen.

BigB1 has always talked about having a politically aware electorate being paramount to having a free and fair election. The question is what is the hope of seeing a free and fair election in Nigeria when even our lawmakers do not know their voting rights.

Instead of interested candidates to the post of Senate President or Speaker lobbying their fellow house members they prefer to first lobby the outgoing President or President-elect who practically has no vote.
Tomorrow the same sort of people will criticize Iwu for a Sham election.

What is the essence of democracy and sepration of powers if the legislature is an extention of the Presidency?? party or no party.

Good observation. If our (s)elected Nass members cannot (or allowed) to vote in their own representatives (leaders) what hope do we ordinary have?

hmmm food for thought!!!!!!!!!! We are a long way away from real democracy. What we have is demonstration of craziness%$#@*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why not? In Nigeria, it is a business for profit

The worst part it is that most of the loans given out to our leaders end up back in the foreign banks. Only this time around, under individual names or numbers.

These loans are still charged to the country (Nigeria) when they(Europeans) know full well that the money had been stolen with their duplicity and trust.

This is why loans and aid should not be given unless they know what projects are being implemented and how compliance and progress is monitored.

McKren:



Any person who thinks OBJ killed Ige should approach the police or better still charge OBJ to court with your evidence. If they can not do that they should simply remain silent and stop passing a verdict against the President in the court of public opinion (newspaper).

What a naive statement!!!!!!!
I don't envy you on your support of Obasanjo.

lakeside4love:

God is up there watching n directing his angel to work on those bad leaders


Little by little There will be whirlwind n we will see the buttock of foul

Who knows, a good wind might blows which will expose the chicken's butt.

obo_nyunmi:

You reply or not - how does that bother me? And who cares what u think of my name? hen? who cares? and who do u think you're to ask for my age?

sorry o sisi obo. A gal of high class and good moral background would never refer to herself as such. Too bad. Under different circunstances, I would have liked to take you up on the offer.

Peace.

obo_nyunmi:

stupid journalists - they will do anything to bring the country down - why will Yar'Adua visit in the cover of night?

All lies from a corrupt mind who wants to post enemity where there is none.

It realy makes me leery to respond to your rejoinder, going by your moniker (i refuse to repeat)
Are you realy a female and if so, how old are you?

Obasanjo may have outsmarted himself.
He had never been loyal to anyone and deserves no loyalty!!!!!!!!!!!

FEAR GRIPS OBASANJO As Yar’Adua courts IBB
• Disagrees over OBJ’s choice of Senate President

www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2007/may/26/national-26-05-2007-01.htm

Comment: obasanjo's chickens are coming home to roost. His deceitful ways are huanting him already. It would be nice if Yar'Adua could pay him back in his own coins.
ha ha ha ha he ha he he. i can't stand it ho ho ho hoho my bele don dey burst oooooo i guess the jokes areon him. this go be best coup de militician don perform, a go die oooo yeeeee mo gbe ooooooo

The absurdity of the whole press conference is unbelievable.
The principal actor (alhaji moshood) laughed at the process, while denying any complicity in the murder plot.

Why would Abacha's driver plot the murder of Ige and not that of Obasanjo?

This whole allegation smarks of a drama and charade to give Obasanjo a reprieve out of government.

Afam:

I hope the senate passes a law that forbids anyone granting AID to Nigeria as Nigeria don't need any such AID. We want fair trade not the current crazy and criminal formulas that promote and protect the Western producers while exploiting and stealing from Nigeria and other African nations.

Nigeria is rich enough not to get any form of AID from these so called nations that end up milking us dry in the name of trying to help.

The average corrupt politician can effortlessly write off the total AID package given to Nigeria by all the donor nations put together so what are we really talking about?

I hope this issue will lead to a critical analysis as regards whether we really need the AID in the first place or not.

True talk Afam, but are our politicians wise or patriotic enough to give up their stolen loot for the nation.

As much I hate to have foreigners dabble in the affairs of Nigeria, ths last April non-elections are a sham and a blemish on the administration. Some of us have not been forthcoming nor bold enough to condemn such brazen act of disenfranchisement of the citizens.
No matter how much we like things to move forward, we can never build a nation on falsity.

The foregners have been very conniving and enabling in corruption in Nigeria. The multi-national oil companies more so than any other corporate. At the same time their governments have been well meaning at times in giving a helping.

I have to support them in not giving any aids until we correct our corrupt ways of doing things.

He must step aside and call new free and fair elections for all tiers of government. If he wins fair and square, he will carry the rest of Nigeria along.

Obasanjo created this problem for Ribadu by:
1. Using him to prosecute a political agenda and vendetta

2. By promoting him above his peers and seniors, OBJ created enemity for him

As a law enforcement officer, I know what we have to do to get promoted. We have to study like crazy and take exams.
If you pass the test, then you go to an assesment testing in front of officers and civilians (sometimes) where you get grilled for three hours. Then you have an interview with the division chiefs. Only after then do you get promoted and everyone will know you have earned it.
the arbitary promotions he got, created low morale in a force reeling from bad public image.

Ribadu although a good officer, allowed himself to be used in a bad way. He has to go, for his job is done. He is a political officer!!!!!!!!

@ijogbon

Unbelievable is all I have for you. You can't close your eyes, don't hear evil or speak no evil, then think everything is going to be alright.

Wrong my reverend brother. You have to shout from the roof tops. You have to hala o (like Fela said)
a man mute man man connotes that everything is alright.

Our leaders have been rotten from time immemorial and we have kept mute like dummb sheep. They have gotten more brazen to the fact they care not what happens to the common man.

Look at the last brazen non-election, and you will see these evil people don't give a damn about you and I.
The time for preaching and peace is over, time for revolution is upon us and we have to shout and fight dirty.

Just like in the case of Bola Ige, the police were once again unable to produce the Funsho Williams killers that were much ballihooed. It seems our esteemed police like to make noise about non-events.

I think all the killers of Harry Marshall, Dikibo, etc, will be solved on the papges of newspapers before emperor OBJ leaves in the next week.

Its not new that Nigeria's elites irrespective of tribe and tongue are dyed in the wool occultists.

Obasanjo is an ogboni like many of his friends in the South West. The SE elites all bow down down to fetist gods in the okija shrine, Northerners use child rituals, marabouts, etc, while pretending to be devout muslims.

Nigeria is awash with cultism. Look at our schools and offices. Poeple will kill one another for money, jobs, boy friends(husbands) etc.

Like I always tell my sister, babalawo has to eat, that is why we have all these fools running from tin to wood to save them from themselves.

MAMAJAMA:

here we go again, na OBJ fault eh?

yea you got that right man, the fish rots from the head down

MAMAJAMA:

go to the EFCC website and read the succes stories

http://www.efccnigeria.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=88&Itemid=91


FUNSHO william Killer solved

THe guy from Ondo state Solved
269 bank robbery suspects were apprehended, and N29 million, $35,000, 8,300 United Kingdom pounds and 3,240 euros were recovered.

Police anti-crime measures, he added, resulted in the arrest of 6237 armed robbery suspects, while police teams recovered 4897 firearms, 905,948 rounds of ammunition and 1486 stolen vehicles.

http://odili.net/news/source/2007/may/23/207.html

about time people start praising this administration and stop all the mouth watering talks.

A drop in the criminal bucket of Nigeria.
How many armed robberies occur daily?
How many rapes?
How many carjakings?
How much is stolen from government coffers on a daily basis?
Why is Bode George still free inspite of the indictment of NPA?
What happened to 300 billion naira given to Annenih to fix roads?
What about Adedibu, Chris Uba and his brother ($170,000 suggled on presidential plane)

What about waterrrr, lightiii, foodeee, houseee?
what abouttttttttwhout whout whout my brother a don taya for dey ask oooo. a beg no kil me.

Isn't it fantastic though? You will think this people have never heard of wire transfer! Is that not not how government and thier agents are supposed to send money around the world?

These idiots think the rest of the world are just as dumb and criminal as they are to suggest that the money was part of a project money for the military, which is now being carried in bulk in suitcases?
who are they fooling??
this tells volume about Obasanjo and his crowd of criminals in and out of uniform!!!!!!!!!!!!

MAMAJAMA:

Bankole01
please be careful how you address his excelency MR presido, just because they haven't had the press conference does not mean the case has not been solved. wait and see.

OK Mamajama; I won't hold my breath though. I need you to tell me how many cases have been solved by our estemed and magnificent OBJ and his highly efficient police force. (sniker sniker)