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ttalks:
There is heaven, and there is hell.

As regards hell, it isn't as most believe about hell that is hell.

In most cases, hell is supposed to be a fiery burning place for the wicked at their death.

But for starters, hell isn't that; hell is nothing but the grave.

heaven is wealth,health and enjoyment , Hell is poverty, sickness and hardship

Deep Sight:
Let's try to make it simple, and not get over-complicated or lost in definitions.

So are we agreed on the definition of God as "A supernatural Entity that created all that exists"?

What is supernatural ?

MrCrackles:
Hell Fiyaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. . . . .

Oga udey vexooooooooooo

manmustwac:
[size=24pt]NO[/size]

SHARAP  honorable Mod, didn't you see this list below.

The list of nairaland members that will go to hell.
__________________________________________
1, Ogag4luv
2, Seun
4,Huxley,
4, Tudor
5,Mazaje
6, bawomolo
7,Spikedcylinder
8, Naira
9, Atheist,
10, Okija_juju
11, Satan
12, Deep sight
13, Abuzola
14, Bindex
15 Krayola
16, Mushin
17, Pastor AIO
18, DaHitler
19, Manmustwac
20,Noetic ( for being a hypocrite)


Those on pending list for heaven
______________________________
1, Olaadedgu
2 Davidylan

Those That will go to Heaven.
[/b]______________________________
1,[b] Banom
2, Jesoul
3, Jakumo

Deep Sight:
First, let us make clear that God, is herein defined as "Creator."

The argument is not about religion, heaven, hell, the mercy or goodness of God, his wisdom or fairness, or indeed any other attributes ascribed to God by man or religion, save as the Creator.

Banom is this agreed?

Good this is the part i wanted us to specify before we proceed,

1, I want you to define [b]Existence [/b]for me.

2, I want you To Define God for me,

Finally i agree with your post above that our discussion is not about ,heaven,hell, wisdom, etc, but i disagree with the definition of God above as Creator,

A person can be a God over some thing without necessary creating it,
The other way  round, a person can create something without being a God over it,

chic2pimp:
Would you agree with this statement?

I was only trying to stress its grammatical meaning,and not any context it is expressed for.

ok, come up with that your empirical logic for the existence of God.

bandely:
Though I'm too young.

But I have being reading some books.

But saying Awo is tribalistic and Zik is not is not something right.

Being tribalistic does not necessarily mean you are evil,it means you think and act for the interest of your tribe first.

make una leave the BOBO make him feel along. that im cap dey too funy

Deep Sight:
^^^ No, its not just for fun, some of them feel anger at dogma, some frustration at evil, etc.

These may be grounds to doubt the nature of God as described by religion, but not the existence of a prime mover.

And i did prove that prime mover - dont blame me if some people are not Deep Sighted enough to follow the logic.

1. 0 + 0 = 0, thus something cannot come out of nothing in the finite realm.

2. Accordingly, all things which have a beginning also have a cause (law of cause and effect).

2. The Universe had a beginning (Big Bang confirmed)

4. The Universe therefore had a Cause.

5. That Prime Mover/ First Cause is called God, as God is defined as Creator, and nothing more (forget religion).

What again?

Nice one,
let me devote this evening for us to argue this once and for all,but you must assure me that if you are unable to prove the existence of God to me, then you will stop any further campaign for the existence of God ?and if you win, i will denounce atheism this evening , is that a deal ?

@ Deap_sight,

Perhaps, i see you are relatively new here,and it seems to me that you think no one here is more intelligent than you are, and that is a high tendency of you seeing the world from your little life perspective,and prejudice,

You once made a post here trying to use empirical reasoning to prove the existence of God, at the beginning of the post many people asked you to stop that it was going to be a dead end project,but you continued and up till now you have not accepted that you only wasted your time in that thread,

Any how, it is all about you sha,i personally love to leave people to live their lives the way they want it, But if you think a person could just wake up one morning and denounce the existence of God just for fun,i advice you think twice.

becoomrich:
I have to come in now. you are wrong. In the 1951 election.


For the record of history. here are the names of those who won the election and thier parties

There were a total of 80 seat to win. The action group lead by chief obafemi awolowo won 38 seat , while the NCNC won 25, IPP 6,  Ondo Improvement League[b] 2,[/b] Otu Edo candidates 3

Sorry how is the addition of 38 +25++6+2+3 make up 80 ?

becoomrich:
Action Group that won

Ijebu Remo – Obafemi Awolowo and M.S. Sowole; Ijebu Ode – Rev. SA Banjo and S.O. Awokoya; Oyo – Bode Thomas, Abiodun Akerele, ABP Thomas, TA Amao and SB Eyitayo; Osun – S.L. Akintola, J.O. Adigun, JA Oroge, S.I. Ogunwale, I.A. Adejare, J.A. Ogunmuyiwa and S.O. Ola.

Egba – J.F. Odunjo, Alhaji AT Ahmed, Rev. S.A. Daramola and Prince Adedamola; Egbado (now Yewa) – J.A.O. Odebiyi, D.A. Fafunmi and A. Akin Illo; Ekiti – E.A. Babalola and Rev. J. Ade-Ajayi; Badagry – Chief CD Akran and Rev. G.M. Fisher; Ikeja – SO Gbadamosi and O Akeredolu-Ale; Ife – Rev. SA Adeyefa and SO Olagbaju; Owo – AO Ogedengbe and RA Olusa; Epe – Safi Lawal Edu; Okitipupa – C.A. Tewe; Western Ijaw – M.F. Agidee; Ishan – Anthony Enahoro, and Warri – Arthur Prest.



The action group only needed 2 more seat to become majority in the house.  


Three card carry members of action Adegbenro, Osuntokun and Hassan ran as independents candidate. The all won and voted for action group while Chief Akinloye lead IPP four members cross over to the Action group

AMA Akinloye, Chief DT Akinbiyi ,Chief SO Lanlehin, Moyosore Aboderin and SA Akinyemi,


The only members of the NCNC that cross carpet were
were: Chief SY Kesington-Momoh( auchi),  JG Ako(Urhobo), and Awodi Orisaremi

Why boring someones afternoon with names of all these obituaries ?

dgreatrock:
@banom thank you jor, i beg set the place on fire

No wahala, i made a post to assist ladies in relationship problems, but it seems none have replied, i am with you there.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=330478.msg4638596#msg4638596 date=1254301122]@Topic

Isn't it obvious?
Mammywater spirit has possessed them all. . .

Osisi I know how your kids feel. . . . My mum being igbo never let us rest every morning with that osondi song and a host of others. I had to move to the BQ in my teens to get some sanity.[/quote]Which state in Igbo is your mummy from ?

and why do you have to move away from igbo song ?

@ dgreatrock,

I registered in your forum,(www.Nigerdeltaforum.com) as playboy.

JeSoul:
common now Banom dearest you're not showing me which part of my arguement is flawed now. Ejo, pending is a no-no, please tell the angel to keep my name on the definite list

mhh ok, will you turn the other chic again if i slap you next time ?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=329644.msg4635484#msg4635484 date=1254247661]do you mean cretin or certain[/quote]Hon Moderator manmustwac, shout blood of Jesus , tpia Devil get behind me.

JeSoul:
Lol . . . I wouldn't say "primary cause" no.

People have this crazy thing known as a [b]choice [/b]to either follow a religion or not. People are the primary cause, not the religion. In the same way the gun is not the primary cause, but the person shooting it.

You have started what makes me to avoid anything debate or arguement with christians , ( Ill judgement) it is too bad,

In the other thread your name was listed as one of the very few that will be going to heaven with me and Jakumo , but i am afraid we may have to place you on pending till further notice, You have changed, since that day you turned the other chic for me to slap again,
What realy went wrong, you backslided ? oh the devil is wicked ,

Abuzola:
Lmao

banom your mama na 20 box asha , roflmao. You see why we will infiltrate you atheist ? Hehehe. 20 box ashawo

Hahaahhha,Aboki how did you know ?, well that is better than your mother that married your father at 8 as 7th wife.

vanni:
@ banom my brother. Thank you Jare

Vanni you have made my day with that beautiful pics,
I have some of her pics here with my elder sister

JeSoul:
But the two go hand in hand don't they? a religion is non existent without followers. Just like a gun is powerless to shoot itself, but placed in the hands of a lunatic it is a dangerous weapon.

Is that a gambling tactics to answer a simple question ? Davidylan have coached you abi ?

If religion says i should kill non followers and i do so , ? is religion not the primary cause ?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=329452.msg4635275#msg4635275 date=1254245589]na so davidylan love carry you reach?

na wa oh.

btw its been a while since you made some anti-Christian rants. Hope nothing or are you being distracted by your daydreaming for david?

Lawal nko nah? How far?

[/quote]Ashawo , you don come ?

JeSoul:
I should have said "failures of religious people" instead. When you have imperfect men/women in the picture, there will be wrongdoing and evil.
The only thing infallible is God and His word.

Are you saying apart from the practioners, religion and the its words have not caused any form of fairlure ?

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=330478.msg4635102#msg4635102 date=1254244018]You like Ogene music too?
me too[/quote]Nwa oma, I do ooooo, i am listening to shidodo right now, the one i bought today.

The Votes so far,

Yes = 84%( Good Voters)
No = 16 ( Evil voters)

JeSoul:
Don't forget to include the Salvation Army - a christian evangelical organization, one of the biggest charitable entities in the entire world, ever present to help at scenes of all kinds and levels of disasters all around the globe. The Salvation Army, a prime example of how religion poisons everything!

Many atheists just love to point at the failures of religion - they forget religion is also the driving force of countless organizations doing incredible charitable work all across the globe by christians, catholics etc. Off the top of your head, name one atheist-based foundation or organization that does charitable work like the Salvation Army?

@ Jesoul,

Why should religion fail in any case ? is it not supposed to be infalible ?

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=330478.msg4634930#msg4634930 date=1254242833]ROFL

My husband and kids threatened to burn my computer because I played the classic, Osondi Owendi every Saturday morning non stop from you tube hooked up to loudspeakers.
The songs took me back to my Ekene dili chukwu trips to and from Lagos and northern Nigeria.[/quote]Why na ? that song that carries annointing. i even did some Ogene collections this afternoon, i will enjoy it early in the morning tomorrow.

noetic15:
why dont u ask the mods as to why EXACTLY I am being banned? . . . . I am being persecuted for righteousness sake

fairy tales

Abuzola:
@banom

yap, but bin laden is clever than them, what happen to their spy satellite, Allahu akbar, your head is next

In your dreams, do you think a combination of you and bin laden will be more ruthless than i am, pray you don meat some one like me, you will know that some people are worse than devil,

Not a threat, just a simple promise.