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Pilgrim.1,,,,,she you see wetin I talk now, see what 'diverse philosophies' and interpretations lead to: I correctly described it as 'confusion the mother of confucius.' You just wan make I talk. Just see the following:

from horus

The title of the Scroll of Barashith in itself confirms the fact that Genesis is a recording of the reconstruction of the planet Earth, and replenishing of man, the refilling of Earth and not the original creation.

. I dont even know where to start here, where is the old earth that needed reconstruction, or the old empty earth that needed refilling and replenishing.??

From dearone;

I am aware that Charles fillmore did not start the book with In the source, He said that the word Genesis means "the source" or origin".

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,No it does not, it mean the "Beginning". Simple

And then more from dearone about Genesis;

,,,,,,,,,,The key to its spiritual meaning is that back of every mentioned thing is an idea.

You can still see the 'gnostic' philosophy again as always, which is nothing more than devil's lie and attempt at confusion.

The key to the spiritual meaning of every single word in the Bible (Genesis to Revelation) is the true wisdom of God revealed by the Holy spirit through faith in Jesus Christ. Pure and Simple!!!! The moment you start looking for "an idea" makes you open to all sorts of 'idealism' confounded by the spiritual compass or philosophy of the writer.
Charles Filimore is confused about Genesis, the Bible and God; ,,,,,,,,,and Horus is another thing entirely

Afam:
@batu,

Appearing to be a professional is not the same thing as being a professional so you can continue to make senseless comments and chase people around while imagining you are making sense.

chase who around? you? definitely a case of grandiose delusion. Well, it's true 'appearing to be is not the same as being': but I am very sure Philip Emegwali is more relevant to Nigeria than you my dear friend, and I think we need him but you think otherwise because he asked for what's due to him. Your thinking is reverse patriotism, if the guy is well compensated for his work, dont you see that is a motivation for him to do more?
I see from your blog that you sell and/or consult on inverters or generators; that shows you are skilled in that area; if you are engaged by the energy ministry as a Consultant, say in rural electrification, how would you feel if you are not adequately compesated? you'll say it's okay because 'I am a Nigerian.'
Let's look beyond the 'individual' involved and look at what we as a nation stand to benefit from the guy. I know the guy has his own haters, but for him to  be engaged by Fortune 500 tech. companies and US Army in electronics is not cheap or fake. Those guys will use you if they see practical skills even if you dont have a single certificate.
A bricklayer is not the same as a construction engineer at a simplistic level; the former can be sacked and replaced immediately but the later cannot.

I was not paid for 15years of excruciating hard intellectual labour", Emeagwali said.

Not suprised at the rather narrow minded responses. The reason why some countries are called 'developed countries' today is simply because of their government's long standing investments in intellectual development. If most people here will very likely support the NLC going on strike for wage increase, why all the talk about achievement getting into his head.
The most important question is whether it is true he worked for the Nigerian government, if so, then he should be paid, simple; and he has every right to say Nigeria owes him.

Whether his wife and son has even been to Nigeria is his own problem, I don't think Nigeria misses them; but he is a professional, and if you engage a professional because of his professional skills, then he should be compensated. I don't remember him saying he was a member of the "Salvation Army" or the "Volunteer Service Organisation" who  works for free, he is a professional; if he was engaged then he should be paid. And he has every right to complain.e
Unfortunately for those who said they don't need such peoples like him; not suprised because it takes a professional to understand the importance of professionalism and not individualism. The major bulk of the net GNP of UK for example is not from manufacturing or oil but from highly skilled areas such as finance, international investments, medical and computronics etc in an increasingly global economy.
The guy might have his personal idiosyncratic issues, but let's think outside the box; he and others like him are the kind of people we need to mentor young, up and coming lecturers, students, professionals in Nigeria for high level skill transfer which will help the nation in the long run. Not loquacious traders!

[quote author=@labiyemmy link=topic=76025.msg1452606#msg1452606 date=1188581365]Did he go to school:

See what I think:

However, the redenomination of the naira as announced by CBN was not going to affect the units as 100 kobo would still have been equal to N1 under the new regime which has now been suspended by the president. (Here, I think Thisday is trying to 'educate' the Honourable Minister of National Planning!!! )

This is right.[/quote]
I totally agree with you, i dont think the guy actually went to school, but he will probably have 'certificates' most likely from 'Toronto'. Those who 'agree with the minister' are probably not very different from him. The purpose of the article is not about the 'approach to' or the 'process' leading to redenomination; but the poor understanding of the 'concept' of redenomination by the honorable-idiot-in-charge of national planning.

Dearone wrote:

THE WORD genesis means "source" or "origin." It points to new birth and to the perfection of man in the regeneration

Chei,,,,,this Pilgrim.1 sef, I never thought anybody would continue reading and responding to this load of 'gnostic' bunkun (sorry for being really direct). Just imagine, the book of Genesis was written in Hebrew originally, and Genesis in the original Hebrew translation is called "Bere'shit" which means the 'beginning' and NOT the source or origin. Source or Origin of what?
@poster; Before you start reading various book written by 'scholars' why not get a good grounding in the book of truth i.e the Bible otherwise it becomes so easy for you to be carried away by diverse philosophies such as the 'gnostic' ones you are reading.

Hello Nairaland users,
To get an insight into the 'level of intellectual depravement' of a very prominent member of this yeye Yar'adua's government, simply read the story below from Thisday. This is the Minister of National Planning for god sake
with an extremely poor understanding of what redenomination entails; now we can see the kind of morons surrounding Yar-adua.!!! Look at the portion highlighted in 'bold'.============================================================================

Link: http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=87893

By: By Crusoe Osagie, 08.31.2007

Minister of National Plan-ning Senator Muhammad Sanusi Daggash yesterday said that even the president lacked the power to re-denominate the naira or embark on any major change in the country's legal tender.
Daggash, who made the statement in Lagos while addressing a world press conference on the 13th Nigeria Economic Summit, which kicks off in Abuja next week, said since the naira is established by a law, it will also take an act of parliament to make any serious change on the Naira such as redenomination that was proposed by the Central Bank
"Even the president cannot independently embark on naira redenomination. A 1972 law established the Naira and this law defines the naira in terms of how many kobos make one naira and so on. So that law must be repealed by the Nigerian people represented by the legislature for it to be redenominated," he said. 
Daggash explained that based on this fact even the president of the country lacked the powers to independently embark on a sweeping change of the nation’s legal tender as was proposed in the redenomination policy.

However, the redenomination of the naira as announced by CBN was not going to affect the units as 100 kobo would still have been equal to N1 under the new regime which has now been suspended by the president. (Here, I think Thisday is trying to 'educate' the Honourable Minister of National Planning!!! )
But Daggash stated that the governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) Professor Chukwuma Soludo overstepped his bounds in his failed bid to introduce the naira redenomination policy.
He explained that the move by the CBN to redenominate the naira was at best a policy prescription and not a policy of the federal government as it were.
Daggash said even if the plan were to workout it required more consultation and approvals from government before it can implemented.
“Talking about reversal of policies by this government, I do not think the federal government’s move to halt the naira redenomination plan proposed by the CBN passes for a reversed policy because it was not a government policy. It was at best a policy prescription by the CBN,” Daggash said.
According to him, “It was a policy prescription of the CBN and not a government policy. Also the buy-in was one of the things Soludo did not handle well and so the summary is that he was prescribing a policy to government and government was not convinced.”
“As the minister in charged of national planning, I simply got an invitation to attend the launch of the new naira policy and because I did not understand exactly what it was all about I decided to attend another programme, which was scheduled for the same day as the launch of the new naira policy. It was only after the launch that the CBN came to us present a 13 paged document which we listened to for one and half hours about the policy so I wondered that a policy as far reaching as that would only be communicated to the ministry of national planning after it had been launched and they said it was just for our information,” explained.
Daggash said as minister of national planning he was not consulted about the policy and that goes to show how much consultation and buy-in the CBN sought for the very intricate step it was about to take.
“As minister in charge of national planning I was not consulted and so there was no consulting with other stakeholders. But government has procedures which must be followed.”
Arguing about the soundness of the policy Daggash said it is better to shore up the value of the naira and empower it by making efforts to increase the collective productive output instead of simply knocking off two zeros.
“Collective productive output increase is a better way to empower the currency. What we need to do to strengthen our currency is increase our productivity because the fact that you knock off two zeros does not increase your Gross Domestic Product and does not essentially increase the value of your currency,” he stressed.

ricadelide:
Orisirisi

Orisirisi indeed!!!

@dearone,
look it is obvious that this teaching is from the camp of the 'Gnoists' who believe in "hidden this or that" and "this revelation or that" or this "secret or that secret" for "special people." Nothing other than 'confusion the mother of apostle confucius.' The good book has made us realise that the hidden mysteries of God from the foundation of the world has now been revealed to all; and there is no hidden secret from the knowledge of God. As such, nobody will have any excuse in the last days.
So, forget about all this nonsensicle gnostic teachings and seek the perfect knowledge of God that is revealed and is sweeping the whole earth.

grafikdon:
Why must every single action be reduced to some twisted ethnic acrobatic stunt? Why are we huffing and puffing over the removal of an inscription that that SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN on our currency in the first place? You say people are furious about the removal, eh?

@grafikdon and all;
In Nigeria, anything can happen. I will be expecting a new CBN governor soon. Soludo will not be sacked but most likely will become so isolated, and his job made so difficult by 'political due process' that he will simply resign. Then probably an LSE educated northerner will become the new CBN governor and then,,,,baam!! well see the arabic inscription back on the naira without debate or anything.
Soludo has just 'served into the hands' of his enemies and they will do anything to get rid of him. Is anybody still thinking some powerful northern islamists will not influence the removal of a brilliant prof. simply to pave way for re-introducing the arabic inscription on the naira among other 'planned' reversals of OBJ reforms? you need to think again.

Yar'Adua drops Soludo, Ribadu. others from Economic team
From Mathias Okwe, Abuja http://www.guardiannewsngr.com/news/article05

CENTRAL Bank of Nigeria (CBN) Governor, Prof. Chukwuma Soludo, was yesterday a casualty of President Umaru Yar'Adua's new reform agenda. Soludo lost his membership of the reconstituted Economic Management Team (EMT) he had initiated as the Chief Executive of the National Planning Commission and Chief Economic Adviser to former President Olusegun Obasanjo in 2003.

@funloving and all,
I also have a strong gut feeling that Soludo is very much on his way out. This is going to be rather unfortunate because while he has good intentions, his poor judgement might have cost him dearly. This is one of the disadvantages of having academics occupying political offices at times; most often, they fail to understand or take into full consideration the over-arching political influence even if the post is supposed to be autonomous, in short they usually fail to 'think-outside-the-box.'

First, he probably did not read very well the changes in the political climate after the elections that brought in Yar'adua, still wanting to operate like he is under OBJ. In addition, regardless of the autonomy of the central bank, he goofed miserably by unilaterally setting a major 'economic agenda' for the whole country without the backing of the President/presidency. Furthermore, while the stated overall objective of the 'revaluation/redecimalisation/recalibration etc' of the naira is to strengthen the economy and position the nation among the world's largest economy, this MUST be part and parcel of a comprehensive, integrated and multisectoral development framework for the nation, not just the Central Bank to unilaterally decide and perform and other sectors expected to fall in line. That is more like a cacophonic orchestra with different players playing different tunes at different rate and the 'conductor' not aware of who plays what under the guise of 'autonomy.'

Also, a 'major agenda' like the redecimalization' should involve all the stakeholders in its' planning i.e labour, private sector, international partners/funders, policy makers etc and not planning to embark on mobilisation after declaring such an agenda. Whatever happens, this is lesson to all: in a country where under-performance is the norm at all levels, when somebody does his or her job normally or as expected, the individual apparently appears to be a "super-performer", and becomes surrounded by praise-singers and given all sorts of immodest awards like the "best central bank governor in the world"; (I wonder what you'll call Mr Alan Greenspan! know him?) these can get into the persons' sub-conscious and they develop a sort of "God-complex."
Even a very brilliant idea, when it is not well planned in an open-minded manner and timed, can become a very stupid one. Isn't it rather strange and unfortunate, to have an "Economic Management Team" for a country without the head of the nations' Central Bank??. Amazing, the handwriting is clearly on the wall.

Seun:
No source, as usual. Are we all illiterates in this country?

@all,
this Seun fellow is an arrogant idiot; is it because he runs the cybercafe where nairaland is administered? All his contributions are usually immature and outrightly disingenous. The most foolish thing is for somebody to think he is smart, when he is not. How dare you make such an indolent statement without first checking, as if you are talking to your 'peoples'.

@All contributors,
Oprah Winfrey said " All Nigerians-regardless of educational level- are corrupt" and Seun of nairaland said earlier in page 1 of the thread:

We are angry with Oprah for speaking the truth.  Isn't that rather corrupt of us?

Do you see what has been done to the psyche of an average young Nigeria adult, to the extent that they do not believe in themselves anymore but quick to agree with the whiteman/woman's or nay foreigners impression of themselves. Rather than talk about Oprah, I will suggest you spend some time 'counselling' the young man. There is no big deal in anybody having any negative opinion about you, the problem is when you now agree with that opinion. It is like a boy calling his own family 'thieves'. Isn't it?

belloti:
Pilgrim and david, i want you to follow the sequence of events and the circumstances leading up to the maligned statement, you may probably discover the real issues behind the comment. Sultan is a very learned, disciplined and cautious gentleman. He speak with wisdom and that is very much needed to understand his statements.

@pilgrim1,
God bless you oo, my sister. I thought the same thing when I read mallam belloti's mail about the "sequence of events and circumstances leading to the maligned statement" by the ignorant educated illitrate,,,,oops,,sorry, I mean the Sultan.
I will really like to know more about the sequnce of events, as if it is different from what is already known of all the occupiers of the seat of "spiritual leader of islam in Nigeria". Only an attempt at political correctness is what Belloti's post is,,,,,an attempt. The disciplined and learned sultan has consistently demostrated quite the opposite of discipline, sensibility and decorum since climbing the un-holy seat of his equally bereft forefathers-in-Islam. As an individual, may be he is smart and has some wisdom; but as an Islamic sultan, that is totally impossible!! And he has been proving it.

@all,
Well, let me give a brief insight into the Sunni/Shia debacle: it did not just start in Iraq following the US-led invasion, neither did it start with the Iran/Iraq war. In fact, the war between shia/sunni muslims started since 10/11th century. The word "assasin" etymologically was derived from the arabic word "Hashshashin". How is this related?

The "Hashshashin" were a small militant religious sect of the Ismaili muslims from the Nizari sub-sect; the Nizari themselves being the second largest denomination of the Shia muslims.
The militant nature of the Hashshashin was used in various political and religious killings of members/leaders of rival sects like the sunnis. The weapon of choice of the hashshashin was a dagger; and they are actually sent as a young servant into the household of the potential target, faithfully serving him over years and gaining the trust and confidence of the target; in some cases becoming the closest and most trusted servant. But the killing of the rival leader 'must' be done publicly. That's what you see in Kano and Sokoto.

So, those blaming Bush for the sunni/shia war need a rethink; in fact Sadam Hussein kept the "generational war" under check in Iraq through the use of force. His removal only opened the already existing pandoras box.
How the government will prevent this from spreading to Nigeria is another issue; but I'll advice the southerners in the north to start making alternative arrangement because of intentional 'collateral damage'. if you know what I mean.!!!

@all,
Nice contributions and 'attempts' at clarification. I deliberately waited for the 'reactions' because I know that the attempts at clarification will only further confirm my original post about Islam. For example, let's look at this 'clarification' from doyenn which obviously are from writings and stories in the Quran:

doyenn:
Traditionalist-idol worshipping starts from the day of Adam- one of his son kills his brother and satan trick him to mould his image so that he can ask for his 4giveness, that was what started building images of dead people.

doyenn:
Let me tell you,peolpe have been fighting in the course since the time of Abraham because he's the one that built the ka'aba you just mentioned.

The people are the one that fought Jesus to the extent that God have to interferred. Dont you know the anti christ? it is Jesus they go against or what he teaches.The same people that are fighting islam were the one that fought Jesus.The fought Moses, Abraham,Noah and all the prophet.Why the Islam is more pronounce is because it's the religion that is meant for us all.

Now compare the 'stories' quoted above with my submission about Islam I posted earlier that: "Islam is 'one of the products' of the devil, working through a false prophet, who takes an unscriptural ideology, adds some true scriptures to it for some credibility and also to deceive, and then makes it into a covert satanic ideology."

Do you see how the true scriptures from the Torah/Gosples have been twisted in the Quran to confuse and to give credibility to Quran/Islam? (1) How and when did Abraham build the Kaa'ba? (2) Where is it written in the scriptures that "God have to interfere" to help Jesus on earth because of enemies? (3) Where is it written that satan told Cain to build an image of Abel? Need I say more!!!

Dear people:
There has been a lot of discussions on what Islam is or is not. Having analysed the islamic faith from Origin; read the quran verses; researched the life and lifestyle of the Islamic chief prophet i.e. Muhammed; and look at the 'fruits of Islam' i.e. the muslimis' and muslimas; (whether they call themselves moderates or liberals or fundamentals, there is no difference), I have come to the following conclusion about the faith called Islam:

Islam is 'one of the products' of the devil, working through a false prophet, who takes an unscriptural ideology, adds some true scriptures to it for some credibility and also to deceive, and then makes it into a covert satanic ideology.

That's the conclusion of the matter: if you also analyse the islamic faith rigorously, you will see all the components mentioned above.

The Sultan had during a meeting of Northern emirs at the Arewa House in Kaduna last Monday expressed concern over the increasing missionary activities in the country and urged the JNI to take steps to counter the development.

@All,
This is very beautiful to be coming from the 'chief of the muhammedans' in Nigeria, the sultan himself. Why? It shows that our brothers and sisters in Christ are seriously harrasing the kingdom of darkness in the nation and the devil is in retreat. Jesus Christ has declared it that 'He will build the church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' That promise paints a picture of a Church on the offensive against the gates of hell such as Islam, so do not be surprised if the sultan is getting sleepless night. Forget about the little fox (i.e. sultan), let's just continue to uphold the missionaries in northern nigeria, and in other muslim enclaves, in serious prayer; for the Lord God to continue opening the land to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Even the sultan himself will give his life to Jesus Christ. Praise the Lord.

@All,
This is the result of a blinded heart under the cover of man-made deception called Quran al-kariim. Maybe somebody need to tell these ummahs the meaning of sovereignty. UK can decide to confer the knighthood on whom it deems fit, because it is a sovereign nation not under the dictates of the 'blind' ummahs. Who gives a damn if Ahmed Deedat is given the title of "schmuck of Islam" for his ranting against Christianity by Ayatollah Ahmadinajad of Iran?

Maybe muslims need to fast forward into 2007 from 1490 or whatever; and stop ranting and throwing temper tantrums like a retarded 3 yr old. No wonder the progressive parts of the world are always spanking these intolerant chaps.
Can you imagine, some foolish muguns' try to dictate who another countries gives award to. This allah has really confused them with it's lies propagated by the hedonistic prophet. Get a life, blokes

Infact he left their church because he wouldn't heed the pastor's advice and let the wife have it for mentioning the problems to the pastor. My friend has even knelt to ask for forgiveness of whatever but no show.

@babyosisi,
You sure say the guy well so? Maybe dey don 'winch' am? Sorry, not that I am making light of a sad situation, but if it is true that the guy left church because 'he wont heed the pastor's advice', then that's a poor prognostic indicator; and it seriously points to a more spiritual rather than a physical root of the problem. Your friend will have to be ready for battle to keep what is hers'!!!. From the days of JtB till now, the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force. I am now more convinced that if she thinks it is over by packing up and going, then she is joking. Her life and destinies of her children is in danger.

The guy is probably under some "influence" and one of the first things such 'influence' will do is to keep him away from the sources of a 'stronger influence' e.g church or friends. He (i.e "the Jerk" is probably trying to frustrate your friend ("victim" into taking the "let's-call-a-spade-a-spade" sort of action. Let her resist it; if then he packs out, she should let him go physically but not emotionally and/or spiritually. Believe me, the aim is not just to destroy the guy, but also the lives of the children, and your friend too.
Has she contacted his family back home?, is she in good relationship with his family or not? The guys appears to be in trouble and needs 'help.' (I am sure I will probably be abused by the "spade-ists" that I am too old-fashioned; well, marriage with children is different from 'breaking-up' with a 'boyfriend' called 'Jerk' because he forgot to buy me flowers for valentine!)  I recently saw a man here in London who abandoned his family for another woman, but after seven years came back to prostrate and beg the wife. They are more blessed now than before, in all ramifications. What happened? the woman fought for what is hers "spiritually" through prayers; not by "calling-a-spade-a-spade" for her own sake and her children's sake. I am not saying there is another woman in this case o!, just an analogy. And let your friend also 'examine' herself, her past, her family pattern etc. If only we look deeper and more closely not with emotions, we'll usually see the source of problem.

@all,
personally, I think the priest or vicar or whatever she is simply might be in the early phases of a multiple personality disorder. Needs to go and see some doctors to 'lay hands on her'

Wrong background. Never go below your standards. A girls background matter. It will surely affect compatibility. If she grew up in the projects and your not. Its a big no! You'll even have problem wit her parents.

Interesting, this is a 'broda' living in Ikorodu and saying "if a girl grew up in the projects,,,,,,,,"; is there a bigger project than where you are?

@imani/ladies in the house:

Is it only when you are married, that you are qualified to speak or have opinions about marital issues? I believe there are 2 ways to learn; from mentors and experience - which can either be personal or from others.

Answer: Not necessarily, 'anybody' can open his/her mouth to 'advice' on any issue; but the quality and depth of your advice is going to be 'confounded' by the extent and depth of your knowledge/practical experience. Learning from others or mentors is different from being in it i.e on-the-job experience!!!. You can read all sorts of books on marriage, look at your parents, attend classes+ seminars and even have 'PhD' in marital issues; unless you are married you'll only be a "marital theologian". The same reason an engineering degree holder in mech. engr will run to a primary-school-drop-out motor mechanic who spent years under the bonnet of a car soaked in oil, sweat and dirt. (just an analogy)

Just take a step back and re-read all the comments above and maybe you'll see how judgemental you all are: Somebody else said "oh, the marriage is dead"; "he has found lust on the laps of another woman" as if she saw him on those laps! Are we not all just responding to Babyosisi's 2 or 3 paragraph posts above? why are some talking as if they know both the husband and wife personally and how the story began and has ended? A scientific reasoning makes you weigh options from both sides even if you think you have all the facts, there is still a small p-value that you could be wrong in your assertions, chei!! That is why I called it an 'emotional solidarity.' And on top of it all, now listen to yourself my dear Imani:

We have only heard from one side of the story. So I have based my suggestions on that. If there was another side to the story, then maybe my opinion will change accordingly.

This statement suggests that you think there is a possible "other side" to the story; if you now think it through, don't you think some of you ladies suggestions above could be unfair and judgemental since there is a possibility of "another side" to the story? Since it's not likely that we can know the other side, but the fact remains that it could exit; why not base your suggestions on an assumption that it could exit?. This is where maturity and experience becomes helpful, rather than a superficial flipant decision making and advice based on emotions. Dont get me wrong, I am not calling the "jerk" a saint, but neither will I call the "victim" an angel. Let her pack up and go, she will go into her next phase of life or relationship with one part of the problem--herself!! (reference to my first post)

And now this:

What planet are you living on?! A man hasn't touched his wife for years and you think he must be have either become celibate, gay or assexual.  Wonders shall never end. Even a christian man will accept that something is wrong. Or you think christians don't cheat or their wives/husbands too?

So, there is a possibility that the "victim" could possibly not have been celibate or assexual over the period of time too, right? Please, stop these 'shallow' speculations because it will only lead to more and more baseless issues. I could also speculate that maybe the man discovered something the wife did some time ago and is finding it diffult to forgive her; or could it be family interference (the in-law syndrome); or could it be personality issues; or it could be another woman; or another man; etc etc. But, it is easy, and intellectually lazy, to just assume the man is an irresponsible, psychotic jerk who no longer loves his wife, marriage and children. The solution is to get to the root and direct the interventions to the root-cause in a focused and strategic manner. There is a problem involving a "family", not an individual; that's the bottom line!!!.

@babyosisi,
do the best to help your friend; as I said earlier, a first practical step is to inquire from the wife about somebody of influence that he or rather they both defer to. As I said earlier, not likely to be a 'friend/mate' as Imani thought. But I am sure you understand what I mean. I believe the reason you posted the issue is because of your love for your friend, most of the "let's-call-a-spade-a-spade" suggestions you read here is definitely not what you'll want if you are in the same situation. I wish you and your friend the very best.

@babyosisi,
Well, I can see that out of maybe 10 contributions, 8 are from 'sisters' in the house; and I am not really surprised at the 'emotional' solidarity. By the way Davidylan has no right to contribute as a 'man', he is not married yet
But on a more serious note and with all due respect, what you hear from my dear sisters above are the sort of rather narrow-minded feminist advice typical of Oprah Winfrey show. For example, listen to this:

I believe a woman should leave a man in a heartbeat rather than subject her children to anguish.

A lot have given examples of "similar situations" always involving "somebody they know", but NOT themselves; but I wonder how many will really really give themselves the same advice they are giving now if they are in the same situation,,,,,uummmhh . Believe me, just as others have seen 'similar situations', I also have seen seemingly "hopeless, end-of-the-road" marital situations of many years brought back from the brink by godly wisdom and not the 'hairdressing saloon' "go-girl" suggestions .
With all due respect to my sisters, you've all done the obvious; what a clinical psychologist will call "victimization syndrome": we now have a 'victim' (the wife) in a 'situation' (her marriage), being oppressed by the 'oppressor' (the "big jerk"; and such have taken the obvious decision to to play the super hero who comes to the rescue of the 'victim' naturally. The three parties involved here needs invidividual consideration and analysis: the wife, the husband (yes!!) and the kids. A careful consideration will reveal that the above suggestion quoted is rather unfortunate. The kids are already in anguish, and their mother leaving their father will definitely worsen their anguish, emotional stability and most likely their future levels of achievements. So, let's do away with Oprah thinking, this is real life situation, not soap!!!

Is it possible that the wife is not a saint? If we get another angle of the story from the 'husband's friend', is it possible we might be a little sympathetic to him too? Is it possible[/] that their is no other woman involved, unlike what our dear sisters seem to have conclusively concluded from 'telekinetic' or from 'experience'? Is it [i]possible that the kids love their father very much despite his 'acclaimed' shortcomings? Is it likely that the kids will prefer mummy and daddy working out their "mid-life crisis"? Is it likely that,,,,,,,,,,,,? and so on and so forth. If you can answer "yes" to at least one of the above questions, then we need to have a 'sisterly' re-think.

As a "man" (a married man is the real man ), Babyosisi, whether in Africa or US, or UK; every "man" has somebody that he respects and listens to. As a friend, you should try and find out from the wife who that is for her husband; and see how to get him or her involved in the situation. He/She might not be the 'pastor' (in the meantime) and I can see that it's not your husband (he definitely has others who respect and listen to him though). Dont anybody call any situation hopeless and unredeemeable, because you are not God as of the last time I checked. Somebody is already asking if she 'has a job' for the post divorce life; may God deliver us from 'technical advisors' like that.

@babyosisi,
I am replying/contributing to this 'simply' because you posted it; then it must be true. I kinda think a lot of 'questions' or 'stories' on this forum are just blokes trying to write a fiction love story. But you I 'know' to be a serious individual. Now to your 'friend'. I dont know how many of the responders are married; but I am a married man, and I know you too recently married (well not to recent o ); what's the point? we both know the meaning of marriage, the responsibilities or 'cross' of marriage as somebody put's it earlier on from God's point of view, not from ours. I can see you are very angry, in solidarity, with your friend (called the husband a "jerk" and a "big loser"; and if I read your mind correctly, you wont mind the lady divorcing the man; but you dont want to say it because you are 'Christian', oh what a dilema

But I am more surprised at your 'new' husband saying you should not get involved; that is rather strange because I am definitely sure he must be a Christian otherwise he wont be Babyosisi's husband . Why should you not get involved?, are we not supposed to bear each other's burden anymore? who is your neighbour?, is it not anybody you have the capacity or ability to help? Your friend needs your help and you should be involved; both spiritually by praying for her; and physically by encouraging her, talking to her, guiding her to a place of help, and if possible even the husband.
You see, in any relationship, we usually hear one side when there is a problem and tend to take decisions based on emotions. If they get a divorce, both of them will simply go to the next relationship, or next phase of life, with the problem---i.e themselves!!! The wife probably has her own issues or faults as much as the "big jerk" himself, but I'm sure you will want to vouch for her.

So the point is, there is no problem without a solution; my wife and I had some problems some years back in our marriage,,,,,,belive me it was the mercy of God and his grace that made my marriage to survive. I take full responsibility for the problem because it was my fault. But God in his mercies sent us help in the form of our very good family friend (sound familiar?) and later through our Pastor. You see, I still blame myself for the problem and I regret the pain I probably caused then, but on careful analysis and counselling my wife also saw some of her faults. If we had looked at the issues "emotionally", we would have taken an absolutely wrong decision, but with godly wisdom, we pulled through and our marriage is now strong and by the grace of God will continue so.
In marriage, as in life, challenges will come, (even in yours expect challenges); how you deal with it is what will determine whether you overcome it or it overcomes you.
Remember: "Where sin abounds, grace much more abound". If you want to discuss further on a one to one, I wont mind exchanging my e-mail add ( I have never done this on this forum, but I feel for you and your friend); just know that "if you've never been broken, you might not really know how to heal somebody who is". Take care, sister.

@angel101 and initiator,
This guy called majamaja (dog-catcher) or mamajama is not the sort of guy you engage in reasonable dialogue; he has poverty of ideas and intellect. It is quite obvious from his 'attack dog' mentality that he is so desperate to defend the corruption of his ignorant fathers who looted and are still looting the police.
So, just ignore him, like an attention-seeking ignoramus that he truly is; probably living as an illegal alien in the USA commiting credit card fraud like his parents; a corrupt police officer's fruit can never amount to anything good because of the curse of several years or bribe-collection and killing innocent peoples calling them armed robbers to get promotion.
So ignore him.
,,,,,,,,,just wait and see how is coming after me 'barking' like a dog/son raised in an over-crowded police barrack.

Hi BibB1,
Thanks for this link, but I dare say it is a brilliantly mundane PR stunt by Okiro trying to polish his own image as the new "sheriff in town". Thus the probability of surviving an armed robbery attack is related to whether or not you have Okiro's mobile phone number.
So, was it "Oga" who battled the armed robbers or "his team who engaged them"? and now "Oga is advising parents to warn their children to steer clear of armed robbery"; how else do you want to know a bunch of senior police officers who have no knowledge of crisis in the society or fractured values in the system. I thought Ehindero is going to be the last of the loud-mouthed but actionless cops, Okiro will probably surpass him.
And to Lagos he was referring to, the records of armed robbery and prevalence of 'stray bullets' when he was the Lagos CP is not in support of his claim of being an 'operational police officer'.

babasin:
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,when chips are down,  we know true nigerians

@babasin,
That's very true; for example reports have indicated that Olisa Agabakoba has rejected the offer of serving as the Minister of Justice on moral and professional grounds. Now that is a man who not only talk the talk, but walk the walk. It would have been ridiculous for him as president of the NBA, whose members monitored and declared the election as a monumental fraud, to now become the chief "law officer" of such a government; that is apart from the fact that NBA consitution prohibits its officers from accepting government positions. Afterall, the former Minister of Justice was the previous president of NBA.
When men/women are led by their belly, greed and glutonous appetite, rather than principle, their end is usually destruction. Bayo Ojo has virtually no reputation in the legal circle, and Segun Adeniyi has torn his own reputation to shreds.

Aneef:
So what is the big deal in him taken the job of spokesman for the president,abeg find better thing to write because puttiing you in the same position you will do the same or even worst.And, that does not even make him to compromise his stand in all ramification.Please,critized others less because whether we like or not we don't have any other govt aside from this one now and we should all give it supoorts it requires.

@aneef,
Thank you for your analysis displayed above; it is exactly what is described as "beer palour" analysis, or "isi-ewu" analysis. It is so called because when discussing in a beer palour or 'isi-ewu' joint, one could be obviously intoxicated by the "beer" or by the smell of the "isi-ewu", to make any objective analysis of an issue. It is quite clear that 'in all ramifications', you do not know who is Segun Adeniyi, nor read Thisday editorial prior to the election and after, nor even read his own column called "Verdict according to Olusegun Adeniyi" in Thisday. So how can we measure a man's belief and principle if we cannot use his own opinion and editorials to judge him? A journalist who called a government "Illegitimate" now serving as the spokesman for such a government is an "illegitimate journalist" serving an "illegitimate goverment."
If only you can see beyond the obvious, then you will know that this government is a child in crisis of 'legitimacy' from the start and that will hamper it's local and international credibility and associations; which in turn will hamper any development project in a world economy currently dictated by the tunes of globalizations.
If young men and women of a country become as unprincipled as, or worse than, the dying generation, how will we move forward? My brother, life is more than pepper-soup and beer!

For those who are interested in 'treatise' by Segun about accepting the post, here is the link; it is inappropriately entitled "Leaving my comfort zone", but I think he should have titled it "Leaving for Comfort Zone":
http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=80869

Dear All,
I read the treatise by Olusegun Adeniyi (former editor of Thisday newspaper) on his "reasons" for taking up the appointment to be Yar'adua's spokeman; Nigerians can never disappoint me. How can a man who edited a newspaper that launched tirades of attack against PDP/Yar'adua, before and after the internationally-acclaimed worst "(s)election" in the history of the nation, now go on to be the spokesman for the same candidate? This is utterly embarassing but not surprising!
It is quite obvious that, given the right opportunity, the true character of the Nigerian journalists is totally different from the principle or motto of his/her article or newspaper. For Adeniyi, the choice is not based on principle or ideals; but on opportunity to "come and chop"; his wife would probably have divorced him if he refuses the appointment; and his family would disown him.
He is now the 'spokeman' for a government that his own article and newspaper have variously described as "illegitimate" and "unconstitutional"; I wonder what that makes him. This is a case of professional 'corruption' when you cannot hold on to a stand in view of enticement. How is he, in principle, different from all the corrupt peoples (Tafa Balogun, Wabara, Afikuyomi etc) that he has ripped their reputation apart as the editor of Thisday? They too, in principle, failed to hold on to a`stand in view of enticement of money.
Nigeria, or rather Nigerians, we hail thee. A nation cannot progress when it's young men and women cannot hold to ideals and principles.

You simply have to live with the fact that some people on this forum think that supporting Israel regardless of any wrongs they do is all it takes to become a good christian

Well, what is funny is that right from the beginning of this topic, any support for the stance of Israel (which is largely defensive) has been regarded as 'Christian' and anybody who declares such support is already a bigot or Pat Robinson stand-in. Interestingly, the hotbed of anti-Isreal campaign has relocated from the Nazi Germany in the 20's and 40's now to the Islamic nations of the middle east. Their own opinion is firmly rooted in the commandment of muhammed in the Quran that 'the Messiah will not come until the Jews are totally annihilated.'
Regardless of the abuses that are potentially coming my way, I boldly declare my unwavering support for the nation of Israel over their enemies both physical and spiritual. That is my opinion, and like all opinions it is influenced by my faith in the God of the Bible; and by careful observation of the history and events in the middle east. I will love what God loves; God has declared his love for Israel (Exodus 3,4; Joel 3, Psalm 83, Psalm 87 etc) and so do I. On the other hand, the opinion of some people is total support for the destruction of the nation of Israel or anything Israel, based on the deep antisemitism rooted in Islam, propagated by Al-Jazeera, CNN etc, and canvased by those who support such persuasions regardless.
So which of the nations want peace, between Israel who have declared their intention to support a two-nation region, and those whose unflinching doctrine is total destruction of Israel? This is the time to stand for what you believe and not for political correctness, those who stand in the middle of the road will be run over. I have 99 or 100 posts, 98% will be in the faith forum: I am saying this to make the work light for the 'profile-chasers', before they look for my 'profile' and label me a religious freak. whatever!!!!!!!
For those with their deep anti-Israel sentiments, who see Ahmadinajad and the Ayatollah as their heroes, let me rub salt into the wound by showing you what the true God of the Bible said in Jeremiah 31 vs35-36:
[b]"Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of host is his name:
If those ordinances depart from me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever."[/b]
Need I say more than 'Thus sayeth the Lord." The continued existence of Israel to the surrounding Islamic nations, regardless of the consessions made by Israel, is contrary to what the Quran says as mentioned above; and no amout of consession will assuage them apart from the total destruction of Israel. (either "murder the jews or push them into the seas" is a common saying in the middle east) They are finding ready support all over, but "thus sayeth the Lord" is enough for us.

If Muslims do not know why he kissed the stone, that is not enough to say Muslims do not have enough reason to do as the Prophet did. We hear and we obey.  Call us 'Zombies' for God and we will like it. Afterall, he Muhammad is best example to follow for anybody that desire peace in this world and in the hereafter. Well some don't even believe in the hereafter. Sorry for you.

@all,
I have been reading this particular thread but I dont think I have ever come across a more disgusting, disappointing, ungodly statement as above in all threads.
This is the typical Islamic mindset, and you cannow see why a bunch of young kids will easily kill an unharmed woman simply because they are following examples and dictates they's seen their elders do before as taught in the masjids. God did not create humanity to be a Zombie, if God wanted Zombies he would not breath soul/mind into the nostrils of mankind.
Dear Nuru, there is a different between not knowing the reason for a particular action, and not wishing to know the reason. While the former is ignorance, the latter is foolishness. Unfortunately, with your words above, both appears to be encouraged for an obedient muslim, hence it becomes a pseudo-virtue. Nay, it is more of a trick of the devil to keep you from knowing thr truth. The one and only true/living God desires a relationship with mankind, God wants mankind to use wisdom in ways that will glorify him alone. How can the same God tell you to do something without letting you know the reason he wants you to do it. That is a trick of the devil; the same trick 'it' used on Adam/Eve in the garden of Eden and it is called deception. Facing the east, kissing and bowing down to a stone, etc without truly knowing why you do them, apart from simply 'allah-says-so-through-muhammed' is NOT obedience, it is foolishness; and it is deception of Satan. Islam is a satanic instrument (let truth be told without fear), but most muslims are ignorant of this fact for the very same reason quoted from Nuru above, as well as threat of beheading for 'knowing' the truth. Note, I am not saying muslims are knowingly satanists, but that through ignorance, they've submitted themselves to "worship a god (satan) whom they do not know." DECEPTION!

davidylan:
i thought his greatest miracle was being able to see qatada's iris roll down his cheeks.

hey c'mon davidylan, we know that is a publicity stunt and a rather stupid lie at that. Obviously the 'progenitor or originator' of that claim has little or no knowledge of human anatomy.

babyosisi:
what again did they say was his greatest miracle?

,,,heemmm, well dear, methinks that will be sleeping with up to 10 women in rounds, all in one night. Believe me, that is his greatest miracle; although not divinely ordained, because that just reflects unbriddled hedonism.
Let's give it up for prophet-Muhammed-the-sexy-guy. (clap, clap clap,,,)