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Bruv, how do you manage all those BIG BIG lies?
Na by talent or by force by fire?

Beaf:
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I can just imagine you typing with eyes bloodshot, red with early morning ogogoro!

Poor sad sod. A full PDF with numerous names was given to you on the other thread where you winshes gathered to fly.
What new high story do you have to tell today? Last time, it was how the development in Akwa Ibom is to your credit, you advised Akpabio to dualise roads and bring in Julius Berger; today, its that you have 12 mouths to feed.

When will you stop lying?

Beaf:
[size=14pt]Ain't you saving Italy from flood disaster today?[/size] 
Abi you also claimed to have saved them last time? High story nefa dry for your maut sha!
Bros, one day is one day! You go take lie wound animal o!
Oluwa l'ogo! Ogo! Holy Ghost Fire!

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[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=817302.msg9701098#msg9701098 date=1323114757]invaded by who ? Abeg enlighten us more since you are neither yoruba nor ibo here,so maybe your father's account may be genuine.[/quote]Nah, I don't wish to be part of any ethnic bashing and my fathers account is 100% genuine. We have quite a few family friends whose dads were executed.

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Who should he have put in charge of NNPC? You?
Rubbish.

[quote author=A-ZeD link=topic=817702.msg9701047#msg9701047 date=1323114414]@manny4life,
if market forces work in Nigeria, would GEJ economy master plan Dangote be as Wealthy as he is today?
Would the price of cement be as high as it is?
would the price of sugar be as it is?
Dude this is Nigeria we are talking about.[/quote]I don't get your argument, do you think the fuel subsidy will cause market forces to work in Nigeria? IMHO, the only thing that can make market forces work is if we actually get off our arses, start working and producing stuff locally. As long as we keep relying on Abuja handouts, oil subsidies, corruption and importation, market forces will never work in the country ans we will remain poor and wretched.

afam4eva:
You know it would have been the toast of Africa but you fought against it. Doesn't that make you an enemy of progress?

We need to be real. The Midwest was suddenly invaded and captured without any consultation.
They looked for all the top men to execute them, my own father was almost killed, but he was saved by our driver.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=817924.msg9700852#msg9700852 date=1323112846]Aha! bros you don show? Plaese help that guy with YouWin fast fast, cos somebody wan pay dawry collect him wife from am. Chei!

kai! I no know say wedding plan follow for the YouWin business plan.

Mu he he he. I applied for my fiancee and she was shortlisted. Thank God i must give test-ti-money for church this sunday. Na war ooo![/quote][size=14pt]Ain't you saving Italy from flood disaster today?[/size] 
Abi you also claimed to have saved them last time? High story nefa dry for your maut sha!
Bros, one day is one day! You go take lie wound animal o!
Oluwa l'ogo! Ogo! Holy Ghost Fire!

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jmaine:
Thank you . . .at least it' better to be independent than being among the 12 wretched people dependent on you for food . . . If you had wisdom you would look for ways to empower them if at all you are even empowered self    . . .rather than beat your chest as to how you are keeping them continuously wretched depending on peanuts from you . .  

Nairalanders are not among those miserable, wretched and 12 hungry dunce you claimed to be feeding daily . .so no dey troway all those your useless jecks for here again . . .  

Ibabo shuuuuuuuuuuuuu!! Dis one na enemy action! E be like Klitschko punch! GBUM!!!
Like say na me, I for kill 12 wretched people o! I for drink acid, drink cement, I for use nail drink gari! Choi!
Egbele ma okata ri mi o!

Akpabio come o! Julius berger!!!

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jmaine:
Look at this Camel . .so when does sourcing for more available funds to expand a business amount to not being productive . . . or you expect me to embark on some wanking exercise of vomiting lies and high stories just to prove some non existing point to anyone . . . .Sorry am not game to that mundane stunts of yours . . .

You have a problem with self worth and self confidence . . And your need to always reassure yourself by spewing junks is just pitiful . . .



Do you have a problem with that . .like i said, stop exerting energy on what you can't change . . .rather channel it to your hilarious self glorifiable high stories meant to caress your battered ego . .

What's ma fvcking business with the names of those handling the project when all i should be concerned with is fairplay . .or do you seek them so that you can also advise them on how to go about their duty just as you advised The Akwa Ibom state government on how to construct good roads in his state . . . . .


Advice . .if you can't change a situation . .screaming and throwing banters everywhere amounts to stupidity . . .Be productive Sir . . . but not through self glorifying lies . .

You are such a huge joke . . .

Agbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Choi! See how jmaine kill di winsh!
Like say na me, I for kill myself, then hang myself, after dat I for drink otapiapia, den take hammer nak my head!!!
Unu go wound o!

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tundysho:
You people should please leave this well known yeye attention seeker called BEAF and lets talk about the issue at hand,nobody should respond to him again,he is having a swell time with your responses,i know him
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The whole subsidy issue is simple.

1.There is simply nothing like those benefitting from the subsidy,its simply business
2.There is a shortfall in demand and the supply of petroleum product in the country
3.Business men import the products to make up for the shortfalls
4.There is what we call landing cost and profit margin per litre, which the importers must make from their investment
5.The govt have failed in thier social contract with the people to provide the basic nessesity  by not allowing the refinaries to work

You simply don’t put the cart before the horse,make the refinaries work first,then the subsidy will naturally remove itself,when it
will no longer be profitable for the importers.Nigerians are not daft,we all know that it is simply unsustainable to continue to subsidize
fuel products to the tune of 1.5 trillion annually.SIMPLY MAKE THE REFINERIES WORK

The excuse of providing infrastructures does not sell,what our taxes used for,without the removal of subsidy we would not be provided
our basic infrastructures? .Our leaders are never sincere,all they do is lip service.They simply do not have that burden for the masses
If you see the way politicians take up issues that concern their people in other countries,you would marvel

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Dude, stop fighting for petroleum subsidy and fight for true federalism instead. Burn the place down for the PIB and I will support you, but this senseless fight to remain beggars must stop; it is not worth it.
the refineries will not work until the whole framework that supports the legal stealing from the country is destroyed, and that is why the subsidy must go.

ideylaff:
Hear yourself @ beaf, just hear yourself, I'm smh, 4 u and your ideas and pro GEJ plans that we all know are scams to say the least,

These clowns running the country just need more money for themselves . Nothing more, their antecedents is nothing to write home about and so please stop telling people or tryinf to convince them of some imaginary N1.3 trillion Power Point Mummy Okonjo Iweala and No shoes GEJ + d other fools have cooked up,

we have had enuff of their lies.

What you are saying is, they are going to create more money by blocking loopholes to make more money! Does that make sense?
Comedy!

sheyguy:
beaf,
For the bolded part of that statement, do you trust the govt to implement these "palliative measures" successfully?

I'm more than willing to give them a chance.

sheyguy:
irrespective of your answer to my last question, what do u consider the next line of action if the govt fails to deliver its "palliative measures".

Whose next line of action?

sheyguy:
Will u ever support a revolution or mass protest if the govt eventually fails to deliver on the promise of those "palliative measures"?.

Of course!

brainpulse:
if all nigerians can stand and took there destinies into their hands during ibb must go, and we suceeded. if during abacha we all came out with one voice and faced the mouth of the gun. then nothing will stop us. goodman_n i join you and all meaningful nigerians against democractic tyrany and demonic governance by jonatin odechukwu beaf. if god be for us 1billion of beaf, jonatin and bombs can not stop the crusade.

You only have yourself to fight. In fact, I'm looking out for your "revolution" where people don't have full info, yet they just revolt in mad funny ways!
Comedy!

[quote author=Godman_n link=topic=817702.msg9699095#msg9699095 date=1323100436]MUMU SHAMELESS BEAF. WE ALL CAN TYPE IN CAPITAL LETTER TO ENSURE EVERY ONE UNDERSTANDS WHO YOU ARE. A PAID AGENT. TRAITOR[/quote]I see you have totally abandoned the topic. Is that out of any mental inadequacy?
Dude, typing in capitals is called screaming and its guys with small peeny weeny d.i.c.ks that scream.

daguru:
@BEAF, I am shocked at your boldness at excusing the inefficiency of the Federal Government and Its MDA's. We all know they have an unbeatable track record of failing in their promises. How can you excuse thier consistent inability to perform and deliver all the time. ONLY A FOOL LIKE YOU WOULD TRUST GEJ  AND HIS MDA'S TO CORRECTLY IMPLEMENT HIS SO CALLED PALLIATIVE MEASURES to cushion the undisputable disastrous effects of subsidy removal.

PALLIATIVES = ANOTHER AVENUE FOR THE BOYS TO CHOP. simple

I wonder if you think typing in capitals makes donkeys look smarter? If akanmu is in your head, capitals or not, it remains akanmu.
Your mind is made up, so who gives a damn what you think? Most Nigerians are more open minded people, they are much wiser than you and will wait to hear the full case, instead of waxing hysterical and making okija predictions.

brainpulse:
@Beaf UNcle Dude,

What happened to trillions of naira budget last year by your deluded uncle odechukwu, when was the time the government of nigeria invest in infastructure. WHy dont the government start from buying free buses for transportation to ease the effect that will come form the effect of the removal. why can he first start providing the infastruture with the money they have now? It seems all the families of Jonatin thinks alike, beaf inclusive

The bolded are all foolish questions. When govt has told us what the palliative measures would be (which might even include your suggestions), then we can start debating how good or bad they are, but until then, sir, you are jumping the gun and your assumptions bear little to do with common sense.

moshd:
Mr. Beaf, pls cn give Nairalanders a terse explanation of the GEJ Fuel subsidy removal proposal?
Awaiting your prompt response also.
Thanks.

I have no more info than you.
Lets all wait until the 13th or thereabouts when the budget will be released. Its just a few days now.

daguru:
@bEAF (Mr WISE MAN) do you know that over the years, budget implementation/performance by the MDA's has been nothing to write home about (see this link as a reference http://allafrica.com/stories/201109211119.html).

Going by this level of ineptitude in goverment, you want me to accept that the best solution to the fuel subsidy issue is to do the following
a) Completely Remove the subsidy so that everyone buys petrol at international market price, (a death blow to our already devastated economy)
b) Sit back and pray that our inefficient and corrupt MDA's efficiently implement the palliatives to CUSHION THE OTHERWISE DEVASTATING EFFECTS OF THE SUBSIDY REMOVAL.

I look forward to your WISE and INFORMED comment

You talk as if you expect the FG to be your all. Do you think your governor is a mere decoration with no function? Why can't your governor feed you? That is something worthy of a revolution, instead of desperately trying to preserve a beggar mentality.

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Hmmmm! I thought your revolution was to "save" the common man. No?

Kx:
In otherwords, without the proceeds of fuel subsidy, we cannot have quality  welfare packages for schools and maternal care, water, transportation, infrastructure etc.??

Precisely. Otherwise, tell your governor to buck up and get your state generating money; the FG ain't father christmas.

klas:
What backing do you need? copy of the invoice or payment voucher?

If total fuel cost (refining cost + shipping+ other costs+margin) = let say N120 and public pays only N65 while govt pays the balance as subsidy. Do you require rocket science that if government remove its subsidy, somebody has to pay the shortfall and that is the consumer.

And to the marketer, what difference does it make to him whether the full price is fully paid by the public or partly paid by the public and partly by the government?

So long as we are still importing, the fuel importers must pay the full cost at the at the refinery and must recover their full cost

Removal of the subsidy increases the price payable by the public not that it will reduce the cost or profit of the marketer. period.

Add on the exponential cost to the country of smuggling; after that, tell us the true consumption level of petrol in Nigeria and I'll get back to you, sir.
It is very simplistic to talk about drilling and pump prices without providing the full root and branch of the oil market. The devil is in the detail, GEJ has seen that devil and he doesn't like it one bit.

[quote author=A-ZeD link=topic=817702.msg9698603#msg9698603 date=1323097627]Here is a statement with proof,
Cement is not subsidized, how come its still expensive Its a big fallacy to believe that removing subsidy will encorage the building of refineries.[/quote]Dude, I have not argued anywhere that fuel would be cheaper; rather, if the N1.3trillion is properly utilised, we will actually be much better off. The grapevine has it that it is going to go into areas such as welfare packages for schools and maternal care, water, transportation, infrastructure etc. I believe there are very very juicy plans for the common man.

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It is left for you to trust or not, sir. Wiser souls will wait and see.

hercules07:
@Beaf

In the SW, we do not care about your religion, we have people of different faiths in our families. ACN can put in a place an idol worshipper, I do not care as long as he delivers, his religion should stay in his house.

I admire that.
My comment came from fears of what someone who should know said; that they bonded themselves in Meccah or Dubai. It is an unproven story, so I don't push it.

2n2k:
You thought Beaf did not see klas post? He always avoid the truth or posts that do not accord with his mindset.

Dude, I do not reply sweeping statements which are made without backing or proof.

daguru:
@ Beaf please ramble about something else other than saying EVERYONE IS CLUELESS ABOUT HOW FUEL SUBSIDY WORKS. I can see you are very far from the realities of the commmon man on the street. I cant help but laugh in pain at what awaits Nigeria if this subsidy is removed.

And what do you prophesy from okija?
Its strange how you don't have the slightest idea of what the palliative measures are, but you claim to know what will result. Are you a voodoo priest? Lol!

Jkorokoro:
@BEAF[size=48pt][/size]

if u do not want the wrath of GOD to fall upon your head and your family members stop this rubbish now. may the cries of the homeless, the cries of victims of road accidents that are caused by bad roads due to negligence of corrupt politicians, may the cries of victims of armed robberies not fall upon your head. do not invite the wrath of God into your life. You have been warned

Shut your stinking gob. If you have a logical point to make, then make it; otherwise keep your daft okija ranting for the id!ots square.

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Thanks bro. You've got to wonder about peoples real motives when they haven't even heard the govts plans.

daguru:
Its the unbearable hardship that would result from the removal of subsidy thats gonna lead to a revolution, NOT THE CLAMOUR FOR IT

If you don't even have a clue about how the so called subsidy works, how do you know it would bring "unbearable hardship?" See rumour mongering levels! Una go make mama Bintu shame o!
Anyway, since you guys say you want clueless revolution, why ain't you happy at the opportunity?

sweet9ja:
When I read that those goons at NAS rejected the proposed removal of subsidy on petrol without even bothering to debate the isue, I said if I was in the shoes of mr. President, I'd introduce it by executive fiat or even go further by declaring a state of economic emergency. I'm really glad that GEJ seem to be thinking thesame.
Folks, I've always maintained that the subsidy on petrol has long outlived it's usefulness. Those who are against deregulation are either ignorant or just selfish 'cos the truth is that the benefit will outweigh the initial pain that it may cause.
Those calling for revolution must remenber that; revolution is like entering a dark tunnel, you don't know what awaits you at the other end.

I think is tear gas!

Jkorokoro:
[size=38pt]@BEAF[/size]

will u shut the hell up and stop passing out garbage from your mouth. we all know u have been employed to use online forums to canvass support for your boss GEJ.

You are a curse to our generation

Shut your arse. It stinks, sir.
Why are there so many people who have no brains to contribute to a topic, but insist on digracing themselves? Na wa o! Lol!

Jkorokoro:
[size=18pt]@BEAF[/size]

Are u GEJ? why do always kiss this mans buttocks every freaking day. May the wrath of God not fall upon your head

Shut your arse.

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Jump up and slap yourself, sir! You just contributed "wonderfully" to the topic! Wow!

soloqy:
I dont claim to be an expert in oil nor the subsidies thereof but my question is, if GEJ concentrates in building refineries as well as get the old ones working again, would there still be this question of a 'cabal robbing us dry' as they claim? Niger just unveiled their new Refinery. What is so difficult in building infrastructure in Nigeria especially when you hear of the money that passes through government? I voted for and campaigned for GEJ but some things dont just add up.

Removal of the subsidy without fully turning around PHCN would have a very bad effect on people. Do you realise how much, people would be spending to fueling generators in offices and homes? At least, lets be assured of 20 hrs of power in a day before talking of subsidy. Fueling of the car then, can be properly managed and people will learn to drive only when its absolutely necessary and thus decongest the roads a bit. But as long as PHCN is still neither here nor there, the removal would be very dangerous both to GEJ's presidency and to the well being of the people.

GEJ wants the govt to have exactly NOTHING to do with refining and importing fuel. All those conduits for cash to be legally stolen are going to be closed and one of the major reasons for the do or die battle to get into govt will be gone.
There are deals to build new refineries, but many will not kick off until they can get a fair price for their products. The first private refinery kicked off in Port Harcourt last week, though; its rather smallscale and might serve only Rivers state. Orient refinery is also slated to kick off in 2012, plus there are 2 Chinese backed refineries on the line for the Niger Delta / Kogi and one for Lagos.

You can get some info on Orient Refinery here: http://www.oprplc.com/Pages/AboutUs.aspx

[size=42pt]Some people are "shaming!"[/size]

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soloqy:
@The highlighted part, great then, what NERC and all of us are saying is , wait till when the unbundled distribution companies take over and start giving us services(including phisically maintaining our meters), before they charge for services they didnt render. Its also trying to do things the way it should be done. Dont charge people for services not rendered. In the light of that, the maintenance fee was illegal.

My guy, nobody will ever maintain your meter. Don't mind that yeye omotier, any maintenance fee on meters is illegal. In fact, if Nigeria was a bit developed, people would have demanded their money back, but no be 9ja? You slap somebody and as long as the slap is conc enough, instead of demanding justice they will greet you, "e k'a le sir!"

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Thanks bro, what would we do without people like you? So touching!

Dennis ana:
Dont we deserve to hv subsidy as nigerians?corrupt pple are benefiting from d subsidy-i agree.y dnt they arrest πδ try dis criminals πδ then restructure att more accountable procedure 4 us 2 really feel d impact.as nigerians, we deserve fuel subsidy!

They are not criminals, because it is legal.
Since IBB and Abacha's times, the subsidy has been a legal means to steal money. Both men built private refineries in foreign countries with Nigeria's money and deliberately phucked up our refineries so that they and their cronies could benefit from importing fuel. Abacha built a refinery in Sierra Leone, while IBB built refineries in Benin Republic and Ivory Coast.

GEJ wants to cut out that crap from the Nigerian system and make such theft illegal, just as it should be.