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I don't doubt it that as soon as the loose ends are tied, the likes of IBB, Atiku and Buhari will be implicated to some degree. So will Ciroma and his mob of primitive ethno-religious bigots.
Boko haram is a political war levied out of bitterness.

kukulaja:
globe trotting is just to siphone osun state money and starshed abroad,period, do you know the millions of dollars of state money that went with all those trip, never expect much from him in terms of developmemt and credible performance,, he is only an half baked technician trained at ibadan plytechnic, he is never well groomed for such an office, just another one of ahmed bola [tinubu] shangodele's pupils.

Tell them, bruv. The man keeps making outrageously wild promises that all turn out empty and barren, while draining his states wallet with his Lagos state political adventures and globetrotting.
I can almost bet that in the near future, Osun states money will be traced to Alimosho LG in Lagos. Lets wait and see, while praying its not so. Afterall as governor, Aregbesola has the keys to untold amounts to play with in Lagos states stratospherically expensive political fields. Lagos politics is not for the poor.

Sani told LEADERSHIP that a political dimension to the crisis could not be ruled out.

I really don't understand why Shehu Sani is pretending not to know what the rest of us were convinced of from the very first bombs on Independence Day.
It is understandable that he is being cautious because of the threats to his life.

[size=14pt]Boko Haram: Shehu Sani Goes Into Hiding[/size]
Mon, 19/09/2011 - 2:30am | IYOBOSA UWUGIAREN

,  Obasanjo says Babakura did not deserve death - Civil rights crusader and pro-democracy activist Malam Shehu Sani, who facilitated last Thursday’s visit by former president Olusegun Obasanjo to the family of slain Boko Haram leader Muhammad Yusuf, has gone into hiding.

From his hideout, he has described the killing of Babakura Alhaji Fugu (eldest in-law and head of Yusuf’s family) as a setback in the attempt to restore lasting peace to the northern part of the country. The Boko Haram crisis is deeper than what people initially imagined, he warned.

In an exclusive interview last night, Sani told LEADERSHIP that a political dimension to the crisis could not be ruled out. “Take, for example, a threat message was sent to me by alleged members of Boko Haram, but they have denied it. I think the next phase of the dialogue should take cognizance of the fact that the problem is deeper than what we initially thought,” said the rights activist.
Babakura was killed by unknown gunmen at about 1.30pm on Saturday, just 24 hours after Obasanjo paid a visit to Maiduguri, the Borno State capital, in an attempt to mediate in the Boko Haram crisis.

“The unfortunate incident is a serious setback. Hardly can people be encouraged now to continue to find a lasting solution to the crisis. But the process must continue,” said Sani, who added that he felt very sad and that what he did was an attempt at ending the bloodletting and for peace to reign in the country. “Innocent souls have been lost in the last few months; we thought the contact would lead to reconciliation of the aggrieved parties in the crisis but the unfortunate incident is a serious setback.”

He advised those who love the peace and unity of the country not to be discouraged by what happened and continue the process of dialogue towards ensuring justice and peace in the country.

LEADERSHIP gathered that the rights activist had gone underground as a result of threats to his life.

Meanwhile, former president Obasanjo has stated, in a condolence message to the family of the deceased, that Babakura did not deserve to be killed as he was genuinely working for justice and peace. He said, “Babakura was genuinely working for peace. He should not be hated for that, let alone being killed. My condolence goes to the family.”

The Conference of Nigeria Political Parties (CNPP) has called on President Goodluck Jonathan to, as a matter of urgent national importance, institute a public enquiry to unravel the mystery surrounding the death of Babakura.

The group, in a statement by its national publicity secretary Osita Okechukwu, condemned the killing of Babakura. It said it was making the call for the public enquiry on the ground that “Boko Haram had denied the killing; their antecedents indicate they don’t take prisoners. Babakura was about to grant an interview to an international media before his death. The issue of money is doubtful as Obasanjo is not a bazaar man,” and since it was under the reign of Chief Obasanjo and Senator Ali Sheriff that the Frankenstein called Boko Haram mutated, “patriots may furnish the panel with necessary evidence to stop the Boko Haram insurgency.”

http://leadership.ng/nga/articles/5364/2011/09/19/boko_haram_shehu_sani_goes_hiding.html

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=762526.msg9172755#msg9172755 date=1316378261]Excuse me to exercise your idle brain abit, yep, agree?

Islamic banking (as mofos like you who have been brain washed and granite dried by CAN) puts it is complete igno igno! It is just a concept, borrowed from Islam and so many other religions, which smart minds have seen as a big business now and in the future yet be. It's simply called "ETHICAL BANKING" and if you care to know, ethical banking far predates SLS's era as CBN and even Soludo made efforts to encourage Nigerian banks to key into this global 'honey pot' of which countries like the USA, UK are already milking billions from!  

I ask you, what is wrong in getting Nigerian banks to buy into a venture that has massive potentials to advance our growth and development as a nation?

Instead of your likes and CAN spewing nonsense, why not educate Nigerians on what Islamic/Ethical banking is really all about and let Nigerians examine for themselves if what the CBN is trying to implement or encourage Nigerians banks to do is "Sharia banking" as you people falsely proclaim!

Again, SLS remains a fine breed who in the face of despots has boldly taken decisions which Nigerians (knownly or unknownly) are benefitting from!

I hope you and CAN will also call the "cashlesd Economy" drive by the CBN led by SLS as "Islamic"! Ignorance on rampage![/quote]Step back and take a second look at your post with unbiased eyes. . .

Done that? Noiw one simple question. Do you think campaigning for a candidate while calling up "Islamic this," "CAN that,"  "sharia that" is serious? lol
Why would anybody need to mention anything to do with religion while campaigning to rule a secular country? I guess you will never get it.

If you need religious backup while talking up a candidate for a political post in a secular country, then you simply lack the understanding of matters to do with societal harmony.

Dude, mixing religion and politics is a fools game.
Its what gave us boko haram. Baba Fugu made the clear statement that boko haram started with the imposition of sharia in the North; its "give them an inch, they take a mile".
I don't care how "clever" folk like you polish and paint religious extremism, its just not gonna fly, ever!

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=762526.msg9172486#msg9172486 date=1316375469]Sanusi no doubt is amongst the very few fine breeds of true Nigerians left.

A straight forward down to earth technocrat that knows his onions!Those who hate him 'cos of Islamic banking, I recommend you go get the DVD on Sanusi's lecture to house of reps member on the issue.

As a christian myself, I distance myself from the stance of CAN and CAN President on the issue of Islamic banking! Smacks of common sense and ignorance to say the least.

Sad to read same ethnic and religious comments made about Ribadu and Buhari before the election and today we have a 'one degree of freedom' commander in chief who least looks like a village chief head![/quote]In one mouthful, you mention Islamic banking, in another you mention that you are a Christian, in yet another to talk about CAN. If you cannot see that your whole message is divisive and a sad attempt to mix oil and water, then you really can't be helped.

Mixing politics and religion is a task for clowns and fools.

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Don't mind them. In this season of boko haram, they want to wheel out a more polished version of sharia doom on the rest of us. Religion has no place in politics.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=762526.msg9172383#msg9172383 date=1316374350]You are the least shameless ethnic bigot and blind followership mofo I expect to comment on presidential material/candidates to rule Nigeria!

Sanusi, by far has been more useful to Nigeria and Nigerians than the GEJ! [/quote]Na you get your maut.

If Sanusi or any sharia misdirected soul like him ever finds their way near Aso Rock, we'll be in the creeks with well oiled weapons, fighting to cut loose from Nigeria.
I can't fathom why that should be causing you pain. Ol' boy, take panadol to help your headache.

[img]http://3.bp..com/_GOlE2NHiN_k/Sg37F4EoaEI/AAAAAAAAAXc/kLoxmOAeaZw/s400/mend+boat+2.jpg[/img]

itodo ho:
I think am falling in love with okada man.dude if you were a lady i'd marry u.as for beaf,may you continue to lick the boots of your paymasters and may God reward you accordingly.u dirty,snivelling,cold livered,sycophantic,traitorous SOB!you should be shot like a common criminal.gawd,i hate beaf with a passion.can you imagine such sycophancy?may you rot in hell and may the devil take your soul.u STINK!

Oh poor you!
Dude, it takes a person with an inferiority complex or some funny hatred to blame GEJ for something the president of Hyundai Heavy Industries said.

Of course, there are others who (aside from an inferiority complex) are so filled with bitterness from losing elections that they do not care where the boundaries of truth and civility lie; you seem to fall firmly within that group.

Is it because the president of Hyundai Heavy Industries is not a black person or what? Disgusting.

The day Sanusi or any other sharia inspired clown becomes president is the day I join others in the creeks to fight for independence from Nigeria.

https://www.informationnigeria.org/cdn/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/mend-gunman21.jpg?9d7bd4

ChinenyeN:
I have one serious question though that I'm hoping Physics or anyone capable could answer. A number of people's traditions claim migrating from Benin/Edo, and many of them claim so right around the same time. What I want to know is, what is the time frame that these claimed migrations happened. Which centuries?

For the Western ND, that task is quite simple.

The Edo annals are quite detailed about when outward migrations took place and where they went. That is the first place to look.
The Ijaws also have detailed histories of who came in and where they came from. An accurate picture can be built up by cross checking Edo and Ijaw annals, they both agree quite well, except for smaller details which one side might be aware of and the other not.

Of course, we would need to go to local traditional authorities to obtain the tiniest details of our histories. However due to political colourations, these tiny details might be wrong or even 100% concocted (as will be proven if the challenge in my last post is taken up). I've already made some telling quotes on this thread here, https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-758155.96.html#msg9149559

Every ethnic group in the vicinity of Warri was given land by the Ijaws, namely the Oporoza family from Gbaramatu. I am waiting for anybody to dispute this.

This is a very good development indeed. Baba Fugu told Obj that 40% of boko harams members are in Chad and Niger.
If fact, if any of our neighbours misbehaves or doesn't cooperate fully, Nigeria should go ahead, invade and level the phucking place.
Our neighbours cannot be the launchpad for terrorist actions against us,

basadenet:
Must you be involved in Lagos politics? No. It is better you face your osun state. even your stay in osun state till date has not improve the state a bit. so face your osun and leave lagos alone mr long throat.

The man only spends 3 days a month in Osun, the rest of his time is shared between Lagos and abroad.
In the first half of this year, Aregbesola was very bitterly involved with choosing commissioners for guess where? Lagos!! How ridiculous can things get? And in all that time, he had none and no plans for any in Osun either. Indeed Osun states time was taken up with their governor becoming a nuisance to Fashola in far away Lagos.

Aregbesola's Lagos adventures meant that his home tuff was neglected, it took him 9 months to get his own commissioners after choosing those for Lagos.

Every concerned Nigerian should join in the chorus to ask Aregbesola to pack back to Osun from Lagos, his state desperately needs him.

I posted this on another thread. Its funny the way people base their arguments on illogical statements and theories they pluck from thin air. We keep hearing that no one talks to terrorists. . . I'm sorry, but thats just bloody ignorant tosh.

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Where do you guy's get all these "laws of talking to terrorists" from?
Here is pictorial proof that govts can talk to terrorists and that such talks do indeed yield great results.

Tony Blair (British Prime Minister) and Gerry Adams of the IRA (terrorist group).
The IRA did much more damage than boko haram can ever muster.

Imagine the opening tense scene in a crime thriller tailor-made for direction by an Alfred Hitchcock or Stanley Kubrick in which a British Prime Minister and his chief aide are on their way to a secret rendezvous to meet directly with the IRA Army Council, all eight of whom will be clad in masks.

This clandestine meeting is set to take place in rugged rural countryside somewhere close to the Fermanagh-Donegal border. Uncomfortably seated in the back of a black Hackney taxi are Tony Blair and his trusted confidante, Jonathan Powell, both crouching incognito behind newspapers

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/everyone-was-nervous-gerry-adams-hands-were-visibly-shaking-1324808.html

[img]http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00175/gerrytony_175992t.jpg[/img]

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01706/adams_1706302c.jpg

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41376000/jpg/_41376443_blairadams203.jpg

wirinet:
OBJ's visit to the family of the Boko haram leader is the Grave mistake by OBJ and by extension the FG.

First you do not
negotiate (publicly) with terrorists who have killed and. maimed thousands without justification. You only give the group legitimacy and encourage other group with grievances to take to terrorism.

A member of the late Boko haram's leader cannot possibly be the next in command in the boko haram command structure (or he should have been arrested), so I do not understand what the negotiations with the family was meant to achieve.

Thirdly and most importantly, the choice of OBJ would be seen as a slap on all Northern.leaders who have many well respected religious, political or societal leaders including former heads of state. Somebody like Gowon, Abdulsalami or even a respected traditional ruler. The north and their leaders do not trust or like ObJ, and besides he is neither a northerner nor a muslim and it was only a publicity stunt by OBJ. Northern leaders might now decide to jeopardize all efforts to resolve the problem (if they are not already part of the problem), in order to show their relevance and influence.

Where do you guy's get all these "laws of talking to terrorists" from?
Here is pictorial proof that govts can talk to terrorists and that such talks do indeed yield great results.

Tony Blair (British Prime Minister) and Gerry Adams of the IRA (terrorist group).
The IRA did much more damage than boko haram can ever muster.

Imagine the opening tense scene in a crime thriller tailor-made for direction by an Alfred Hitchcock or Stanley Kubrick in which a British Prime Minister and his chief aide are on their way to a secret rendezvous to meet directly with the IRA Army Council, all eight of whom will be clad in masks.

This clandestine meeting is set to take place in rugged rural countryside somewhere close to the Fermanagh-Donegal border. Uncomfortably seated in the back of a black Hackney taxi are Tony Blair and his trusted confidante, Jonathan Powell, both crouching incognito behind newspapers

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/everyone-was-nervous-gerry-adams-hands-were-visibly-shaking-1324808.html

[img]http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00175/gerrytony_175992t.jpg[/img]

https://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01706/adams_1706302c.jpg

https://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41376000/jpg/_41376443_blairadams203.jpg

koruji:
Still tied to this idea that you are dealing with a cohesive group that one man can speak for. Didn't u state somewhere else that his killing is enough to show that there is more than one BH. The man acted because he, like the policy thinkers in Nigeria (he he he policy thinkers in Nigeria) thought the BH of yesterday is the same BH of today.

As the first item on the list suggested the message of eliminating him was to let the FG know that he was not in command of BH - at least the one carrying out the most deadly attacks at this point. This group has been directly taken over by another element. Methinks it is either al-qaeda or the fifth columnists of our armed forces. These are the people with the wherewithal to command assets of this nature. There is no doubt some politicians are complicit in this, but I bet they don't like the direction this is going at this point.

If there is really a politician within Nigeria commanding this type of assets then Nigeria's condition is even worse.

As I said elsewhere, GEJ needs to identify these groups (my list includes 4 but there may be others), their individual end games, and their network of operation (there are potentially 15 different ways these 4 groups may be combining efforts).

The govt can strive to get a handle on one of the factions and through that, get a handle on the whole network. Thats a worthwhile strategy that will eventually open up the clandestine details of boko haram and lead to its taming.
Even though Baba Fugu is dead, there are several others that govt can latch unto with an offer of protection, since no ranking member of boko haram (and their families) can be feeling very safe at this time.

I have no quarrel with anybody in Lagos and even here in Osun. I have been involved in Lagos for half a century and do you think it is possible to disconnect myself from Lagos politics within just a year? Even if I wanted to, it is not possible. Go down there now (pointing to his waiting room), they are 10 persons from Lagos waiting to see me. They believe that once they see me their problems are solved, even when it may not be possible for me to solve all problems. Our opponents take these issues to ridiculous extent because they don’t want healthy rivalry.

Remember I was in the Lagos Exco for eight years and you cannot be active politically without being active underground or in the grassroots. I am the Generalissimo of Alimosho politics because I am one of their own and have been involved in their affairs for such a long time. No matter what, you can neither take me away from Alimosho nor take Alimosho away from me. That has no negative effects in the running of state of affairs here.

. . .But . . .But. . . We don't understand, sir!
Ain't you the governor of Osun? Has Fashola begged you to be his deputy, wetin na?!

Can someone ask this man to pack back to Osun and forget Lagos? How Can the Osun state governor live in Lagos? Last time he was even talking about constructing roads through Ogun and lagos! Are we safe?

[size=14pt]‘I cannot stop getting involved in Lagos politics’ [/size]
By Michael Bamigbola
September 17, 2011 07:45PM


Osun State governor, Abdulrauf Aregbesola has been in the news since he was sworn into office last November after a protracted legal tussle to have his victory in the 2007 election affirmed. Mr Aregbesola speaks on the rumour over health, as well as his development plans and his role in Lagos politics, among others. Excerpts:

Rumour of ill health

Talking about my health, it’s not for me to say because this is life. However, looking at me closely and from the person talking with you now, whom some of you have known for a couple of years back, when you see an unsound or an infirm person, it does not require stories. But mere seeing me, you can tell that all is well. There was no basis for the speculation at all. Another way to prove this was during the elections in April. My party cleared all the seats contested. I was the arrowhead of the campaign for my party, the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) in the state of Osun, that delivered that result.

President Goodluck Jonathan won elections in all the South West states except here. This is the only state our presidential candidate won. If I had been sick, how could I have mobilised the party to the extent of winning the elections so massively in my state in April? A man could not have led a party to achieve such a victory in April and by May and you started concocting stories of his illness. The story that was circulated was that I fell in my bathtub and I broke my leg. In fact, Vanguard reported that. By the time I went to China, it had escalated and we thought that so many of the activities in China published with pictures would have silenced these people. Compass Newspaper crowned it some 15 days ago with a front-page banner. This will be shocking to even an enemy. The story published in Compass even indicated medical reports which is not true. The only medical I went through was in India and that was a rigorous one. I even conducted an endoscopic test and the outcome of the entire test is that I’m fully fit.

His many foreign trips

The trip of May was at the invitation of the Mayor of Southwark, who is an Osun indigene from Iwo. The invitation was pending for a year and he wanted us to honour him by our attendance at the Mayor’s Conference. It was also meant for the late Mayor to formalise a bond between his borough in the UK and all the 31 local government councils in this state so that they can benefit from whatever support they can get.

My travels are public and on records. The first was to the Borough of Southwark in the United Kingdom, purely on official assignment. After that, I took some few days off just to rest and during that period, I detached every aide that came with me. None of them knew where I was. After that I returned to resume my work. In June, my daughter was graduating in Dubai. In fact, I wanted to attend it all by myself, but close associates like Pa Akande were there. The only thing that indicated a medical attention was that my local doctor has been persuading me to go for medical check-up. After finishing the graduation, I went to India to conduct the test and returned to Nigeria. I used that opportunity because Dubai was closer to India than taking off direct from Nigeria. My doctor wanted me to go to the U.S. Eventually, we went to India for an intensive press scan, which was designed to identify any trace of ailment. On that trip, we spent one week and came back to Nigeria. Like I said it was just a check-up.

My next travel was to China on the invitation of All China Federation of Trade Unions (ACFTU), the first to be extended to any state governor in Nigeria. The Executive Secretary of the Organisation of African Trade Union Unity (OATUU), Hassan Sumonu, facilitated this trip. Agreements were signed that would make Chinese firms to establish industries in Osun State and enable our state access official Chinese government assistance.

My Deputy, Otunba Grace Titilayo Laoye-Tomori, holds forte and has performed state functions to my satisfaction whenever I am not around.

His involvement in Lagos politics

[b]I have no quarrel with anybody in Lagos and even here in Osun. I have been involved in Lagos for half a century and do you think it is possible to disconnect myself from Lagos politics within just a year? Even if I wanted to, it is not possible. Go down there now (pointing to his waiting room), they are 10 persons from Lagos waiting to see me. They believe that once they see me their problems are solved, even when it may not be possible for me to solve all problems. Our opponents take these issues to ridiculous extent because they don’t want healthy rivalry.

Remember I was in the Lagos Exco for eight years and you cannot be active politically without being active underground or in the grassroots. I am the Generalissimo of Alimosho politics because I am one of their own and have been involved in their affairs for such a long time. No matter what, you can neither take me away from Alimosho nor take Alimosho away from me. That has no negative effects in the running of state of affairs here.[/b]

Challenges of governing the state

Going by the slogan of this state (Ipinle Omoluabi), it is unfortunate that not much work has been done before now. Much more importantly, however, we have been able to provide an identity for the state, call it rebranding if you want. Even at the critical level, before rain began in Nigeria, we had started dredging of all the canals in the state. At the time it rained heavily this year, instead of houses to be flooded, raindrops were channeled to the canal and there was no room for flooding in the state. Our intervention has given relief to the people, who have endured constant flooding in the past years. We have models for state-of-the-art intervention for education infrastructure and this covers the primary, secondary and even tertiary institutions in the state. Ede water works have been abandoned for several years and this facility covers about 15 local governments, but now we have awarded contracts to put things back in shape and about 26 percent of the job is underway. In the next six months, we will have up to 50 percent of the job done.

Delay in appointing commissioners

When people talk, I get amused. We assumed office on November 25th, 2010. Since then, it has been a successful outing, especially fulfilling a great feat with my commissioners and I can say that they are the best set of commissioners any state can boast of in this country. Initially, people were talking about our delay to constitute the state cabinet without realising the stiff opposition we had faced from the rival party in the legislature. When we came in, the PDP had about 19 members to ACN’s seven in the state House of Assembly and they were bosom traps we were trying to avoid. From day one, their plans were to oust us and when we knew their plans and their sponsors, we designed strategies to truncate them. Although the constitution states that we should appoint commissioners, it did not give any specific timeframe or deadline and when we were ready to appoint commissioners, we got the best people around to do the job.

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http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5742189-146/story.csp

koruji:
The bolded below show that u people are yet to grasp the full extent of the war you are engaged in. Which politician has the logistics to reach Baba Fugu with an AK47 within 24hrs of OBJ's visit ? That politician must really be getting ready to move into Aso Rock by force of arms or this is some greater militant threat.

There is no doubt that some politicians have sordid their hands in the BH affairs, but I bet you they did not realize what they were getting into. The monster they fed for selfish political purposes has taken on a life of its own, and will consume them in due time. There are at least four elements making up the BH menace, and they are not necessarily working hand-in-glove. Perhaps that would help:

1. The original BH which unfortunately doesn't realize they have lost out in the control of the group. That message was soundly blasted with the immediate killing of Baba Fugu for daring to speak for the group.
2. the politicians that promised to make Nigeria ungovernable for GEJ if he ever stood for and won the election - these ones are currently shaking in their boots wherever they are.
3. al-qaeda affliates who we have been warned many moons ago were seeking to open another front of its useless war in Northern Nigeria. They are good at taking advantage of political conflicts to establish themselves, and probably flocking across our northern border by the day.
4. Disgruntled elements of the Nigerian armed forces. These people are probably the most dangerous because they are part and parcel of the Nigerian security system.

Beautiful analysis.
Unfortunately, it is shot down by the fact that a man actually came forward to negotiate on behalf of boko haram, he planned the meeting, consulted with others and finally met Obj, he even had the confidence to organise newspaper interviews after the event; in all that time, he wasn't killed, he was a man in control. Baba Fugu was even ready to point out where almost half of boko haram members are resident in Chad and Niger.
It would seem more like something went wrong after the meeting.

IMHO, your analysis has some truths, but it over-exaggerates the influence of al qaeda and downgrades the influence of local politicians. Baba Fugu was certainly not scared of al qaeda's influence otherwise he wouldn't have come forward.

koruji:
Negotiations? You can only negotiate when two parties are being honest. The BH Nigeria is dealing with wants no negotiations, and in fact there is no basis for negotiations. The only reason why negotiation is in play here is because the Nigeria government is itself a violator of law. If justice had been done at the right time nobody would be giving silly excuses such as compensation for killing of their leader - after they had taken 100s of lives. Are they going to bring those people back to life at the negotiation table? If they are willing to settle for a couple of N100 million, how many millions of Naira do they owe the families of those killed during their uprisings and bombings?

The fact that Baba Fugu made such high demands is a common bargaining trick, of course they would have been watered down if any negotiations where to take place. There is no proof that negotiations were on either, lets have it in mind that the least of demands came solely from Baba Fugu, maybe he even wrote them long after the meeting.

[quote author=okada_man link=topic=762376.msg9168614#msg9168614 date=1316310741]Clowning?

I also see that you are now trying to paint me as some anti-Nigeria person with inferiority complex. Nice try - read my location signature.

My point is very clear, since you missed it, I'll repeat it:

The president (who is definitely not more Nigerian than I am) went to the press without properly clarifying his story. The 234NEXT report has direct quotes from the president.

Mr Korea can answer to his shareholders, that's their headache, Reuters reporters can answer to their newspaper, nah their wahala be that.

The Nigerian president answers to us sir. He rushed out to the press trumpeting a lie about some "multi billion dollar" shipyard  without doing due diligence, that is the issue.

I don't want my president believing every idea without scrutinizing and veryfing it very well. He's my president too. Nor be so?

Keep the spin coming.  [/quote]Take this scenario:

you witness two kids under your care conversing. You watch as one tells huge porkies (perhaps to gain something), then goes to another kid and totally denies lying. You turn up and begin flogging the innocent kid for listening and telling others what the liar said, while leaving the liar to go away scott-free.

. . .Crazy shiite!

Sadly, nobody is making you into "some anti-Nigeria person with inferiority complex," you are doing that to yourself and its wrong. It's funny that the president of the Worlds biggest ship building company goes to Aso Rock, tells lies only for you turn around to blame your President. In fact, its damn strange.
Why would a man in that position lie? That should be the healthy question troubling the mind.

You even made this statement earlier:

an unsound $7Billion investment is enough to shift stock prices to some danger zones

Why gives a damn if the Korean stock market hits danger zones? Do you even know that Hyundai Heavy Industries makes more money than most, if not all African countries?

The whole thing reads like you feel we are inferior to the Koreans, so its ok to blame ourselves for their lie. Its either that or its a "hop on the bandwagon thing."

. . . “Obasanjo explained to President Jonathan that what he had expected was for some Northern leaders to find a way out of this crisis.

“He said he had [b]expected the likes of former military President Ibrahim Babangida to have followed up his press statements and condemnation of the attacks by Boko Haram with a visible personal step.

“The discussion also focused on former Vice-President Atiku Abubakar as well as former President Shehu Shagari, who remains very respected as a weighty voice in the North to have waded into the matter.

“It was because of the seeming absence of such a move(s) from these respected northern leaders [/b]that Obasanjo told the President and Commander-in-Chief that he would volunteer himself for the visit which was meant to demonstrate that the Nigerian state was not in support of the extra-judicial killing of Mohammed Yusuf, founder of the Ahlan Sunnah Lid Da’waati wal Jihad Yaanaa (brothers), popularly known as Boko Haram sect”, the source revealed.

Obj did very well with his mission to Maiduguri. Perhaps the full impact of his mission is captured in the bolded above. Added to the reasons given elsewhere, it is possible that Baba Fugu's killing was ordered by a politician who felt upstaged or sidelined by Obj. That is an important angle to investigate.

[quote author=okada_man link=topic=762376.msg9168447#msg9168447 date=1316307139]Spread from Reuters?

Below is the report from Friday showing the president parroting this multi billion dollar lie and mis-information.

It is now a matter of "he said, she said" so as a Nigerian I'm looking as this drama and shaking my head wondering how many times they fail to do due diligence and verify information before acting on it.

They are paid to get things right. I expect an honest apology not all this bravado and stoopid blame shifting Abati wrote I.e "Mr Korea shin shon shing did not shake his head to deny what the consultant and governor said" (my emphasis) 

Maybe the korea guy nor hear English, how e wan take confirm or deny? 

So you are right there are more questions to ask and I can bet that Hyundai Heavy share holders asked their CEO hence the hurry to clarify. Because a $7Billion investment in an African country just like that is no joke.

I bet they asked him to clarify when they saw the report. Because an unsound $7Billion investment is enough to shift stock prices to some danger zones

My government rushed to the press, they probably rushed to judgment. It's my civic duty to ask call them out on it.[/quote]Stop clowning, cos it really doesn't make you look good. Even your report quotes the president of Hyundai Heavy Industries as making the statement, so what exactly is your point?
The owner of a company makes an announcement in front of the Worlds press only to retract it later, and you feel Nigeria is to blame for it? . . .Its "your civic duty to ask call" Nigeria out on it? Is it because the person that lied is a foreigner? Which kain inferiority complex be dat?
I don't understand what you are getting at, you're not making sense, bro,

‘’Most of us, particularly those that have managed the Nigerian state as an entity, know that the name of Nigeria is not Nigeria alone, not Liberia like Liberia, not Congo like Congo, but it is Federal Republic of Nigeria.

This is absolutely plebeian at best. Where in this World does a country's name determine how its accounts are run?
The unfortunate illogicality of the quoted statement bears witness to the lighter than air nature of the rest of the article.

I would expect Aregbesola to stick to issues in his state where governance has been as lacking as his 3 days per month stays there.
Nigerian states need to drop their embarrassing cap in hand existence and actually begin producing money for their survival. Aregbesola's concerns would be taken more seriously if his state didn't receive a hell of a lot more from Abuja's wallet than it put in.

Actually, Liberia's name is not just Liberia, but "Republic of Liberia." Also, there are two Congo's and neither's name is just Congo; one is called "Democratic Republic of the Congo" and the other is called either, "Republic of the Congo" or "Congo-Brazzaville."

koruji:
Are u asking me?

Is that because I refrained from mentioning that this was your mantra before the elections.

It is either you are trying to be clever or have actually forgotten, but I remembered cautioning you that statements like "cut them loose in the desert" are unlikely to be forgotten quickly by those being addressed.

Now that those concerned are calling the bluff of the FG, surely the approach you guys had in mind for doing this should suffice.

Bruv, I will defend "the mantra" if I'm asked to, however thats not the case now. I'm simply trying to find out if you have a suggestion for the crushing of boko haram. I would imagine that anyone shouting down the rooftops will. Wouldn't you?

Please tell us how to finish off boko haram, and don't let "the mantra" or the NL penchant for screaming get in the way of your answer. Thank you.

[size=14pt]The Scourge of Boko Haram: Why Obasanjo visited Mohammed Yusuf’s family[/size]
On September 18, 2011 · In Special Report , 
*Got Jonathan’s endorsement
By Jide Ajani, Deputy Editor

It was a desperate move! Matthew Okikiolakan Aremu Olusegun Obasanjo, former President and Commander-in-Chief, knows an opportunity when he sees one.

Just smarting from the well-rounded criticism that greeted his misplaced enthusiasm on the issue of zoning, a matter which saw his party, Peoples Democratic Party, PDP, kissing the dust of disapproval brought about by members of the House of Representatives, Obasanjo, indeed, sat back to re-assess the basis of his sense of statesmanship and importance. This, especially at a time when he appeared to be burning bridges of national relevance in a nation of competing interests.

Sunday Vanguard has been reliably informed by inside sources in Aso Rock Presidential Villa that Obasanjo made contact with President Goodluck Jonathan last week on the seemingly intractable national and deadly embarrassment that the Boko Haram scourge and the ceaseless mindless killings in Jos, Plateau State capital, had become.
[b]
Upon making the contact, Obasanjo set the tone for what the source described as a “first step in being seen to be making a move with a view to resolving this crisis that appears to be consuming Nigeria”. Information available to Sunday Vanguard suggests that the move was purely Obasanjo’s idea. In addition, the source hinted that “Obasanjo explained to President Jonathan that what he had expected was for some Northern leaders to find a way out of this crisis.

“He said he had expected the likes of former military President Ibrahim Babangida to have followed up his press statements and condemnation of the attacks by Boko Haram with a visible personal step.

“The discussion also focused on former Vice-President Atiku Abubakar as well as former President Shehu Shagari, who remains very respected as a weighty voice in the North to have waded into the matter.

“It was because of the seeming absence of such a move(s) from these respected northern leaders that Obasanjo told the President and Commander-in-Chief that he would volunteer himself for the visit which was meant to demonstrate that the Nigerian state was not in support of the extra-judicial killing of Mohammed Yusuf, founder of the Ahlan Sunnah Lid Da’waati wal Jihad Yaanaa (brothers), popularly known as Boko Haram sect”, the source revealed.[/b]


The killings in Jos, Plateau State, was also discussed and Obasanjo also volunteered to meet with religious and political leaders in the state.

[b]Therefore, having secured the endorsement of President Jonathan, and the latter seeing the move as a deliberate effort at reaching a middle ground, it was resolved that the Presidency  would provide logistical support for Obasanjo’s engagement.

Sunday Vanguard was told that on Wednesday,the Presidency made available a jet for Obasanjo to first fly into Jos. His visit to Jos saw him holding talks with the leadership of Jamatu Nasir Islam, JNI, and Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, as well as leaders of Plateau State.

Although details of Obasanjo’s meetings were not immediately known, Sunday Vanguard  learnt that it is not unconnected with the increase in the wave of bombings and killings in the country. And, then from Jos, Obasanjo was flown to Yola airport on Thursday. From Yola, a helicopter was made available for him to take him to Maiduguri, Borno State capital. There, the former President paid a visit to the family house of Mohammed Yusuf. Obasanjo visited the late Yusuf’s family house at Railway Quarters, the demolished headquarters of the sect in Maiduguri.[/b]

Obasanjo, who arrived  Maiduguri at 11:40 am, on Thursday, was received by the state Deputy Governor, Alhaji Zanna Mustapha. The meeting with the family members lasted 90 minutes.

At the meeting, the former president said:“This is a personal initiative. I urge you to forgive and forget the past. I plead with you, give me the chance to mediate between the family and government”.

In response, Yusuf’s brother-in-law, Babakura Fuggu, whose father wasalso executed in 2009 said: “Since 2009, this is the first time any high profile figure would be commiserating with the family.

“We are happy with this visit. “About 30 to 40 per cent of our members are scattered in neighbouring countries of Chad, Niger and Cameroun”.

The former president thereafter departed for the airport where his helicopter again took him to Yola,  Adamawa State,  from where he boarded the jet which had been waiting to take him back to Abuja.

It would be recalled that Yusuf was killed while in police custody in Maiduguri after his arrest by men of the Joint Task Force, JTF.

Already, some policemen are being tried for the extra-judicial killing of Yusuf.

In Jos, September 7  marked the 10th year when killings broke out in the once peaceful Plateau State capital. The week witnessed a killing spree which resulted in the deaths of over four dozen. However, observers are of the view that Obasanjo’s move may not be unconnected with his desire to re-launch himself, having been the butt of criticisms lately on account of comments he made about Speaker Aminu Tambuwal and Babangida.

But the seeming underhanded negotiation with sect members is seen by some as a welcome development while others do not see the need for a negotiation with terrorists.

Sunday Vanguard was made to understand that the threat of Boko Haram, which last week extended to University of Benin, UNIBEN, Benin, Edo State in the South- South geo-political zone, and University of Ibadan, Ibadan, Oyo State capital, in the South West geo-political zone, was not going to be taken lightly by the authorities.

Already, UNIBEN authorities have closed the university. It is also being speculated that there may have been more reasons for President Jonathan’s pacifist move. There is a theory already floating. When the late President Umaru Yar’Adua who hailed from the North pronounced his administration’s resolve to grant amnesty to Niger Delta militants, some leaders in the country opposed it. Today, the activities of the militants – which some people described as being no different from terrorism – are all but gone.

Today, Jonathan, from the South, is also pursuing an approach not completely different from a pacification of the leaders of Boko Haram.

That was why it was not difficult at all for him to not only allow Obasanjo embark on the trip to Maiduguri but also provided him with support.

Jonathan is due in New York, United States of America, tomorrow.

Our demands, by Boko Haram
The group, in May 2011, in a three-page  statement  purportedly written in Hausa and distributed to newsmen in Maiduguri, vowed never ending the persistent attacks, explaining all that the ward and village heads, politicians, police and the army, were targets, “because they erred by associating themselves with the government in its effort to arrest Muslim brothers and sabotage Islam”.

Borno State Governor, Alhaji Kashim Shettima, had after winning the April election promised to grant amnesty to the feared sect members and solicited for the full cooperation and understanding of the three opposition parties, traditional and religious leaders.

The sect members surprisingly refused the planned amnesty. They transformed into Jama’atu Ahliss-Sunnah Lidda’awati Wal Jihad, and resolved to target security operatives and  civilians for the serial killings in Borno State following their “active support and protection” for the Nigerian system of government which contradicted Islamic principles.

In a statement last July which was written in Hausa and entitled: ‘Conditions for dialogue with President Goodluck Jonathan and Governor Kashim Shettima of Borno State’, the sect members maintained and demanded that, the application of strict Sharia Islamic law in the Muslim-dominated states of the North and immediate release of all members of the sect detained in Borno State and other northern states, must be addressed with immediate effect.

The statement stressed that, the immediate past governor of the state, Alhaji Ali Modu Sheriff; Shehu of Borno, Alhaji Abubakar Ibn Garbai El-Kanemi; former Minister of Police Affairs, Mr. Ibrahim Yakubu Lame; former Borno State Commissioner of Police and Director of State Security Service (SSS), who served during sectarian mayhem in 2009, must be arrested and prosecuted accordingly, for conspiring to kill late leader, Sheikh Mohammed Yusuf, after he was arrested  and soldiers handed him over to police at the 21 Armoured Brigade, popularly known as Giwa Military Barracks in Maidugur.

Similarly, the statement added that, others to be prosecuted according to Sharia were the security operatives particularly those attached to the Operation Flush Joint Task Force (JTF) for causing the first crisis along the Customs area in the metropolis when they shot and wounded 20 of their brothers and killed two others.

“They also shot dead seven of our brothers and wounded 10 others during the commissioning of a mosque in Monguno Local Government Area. We also demand the immediate arrest and prosecution of those behind the killings of Baa Fugu Mohammed, who was the father-in-law of the late Boko Haram leader and a former commissioner during Sheriff’s administration, Alhaji Buju Foi.

Another condition for  dialogue, according to the statement, calls for the immediate resignation of the All Nigeria Peoples Party (ANPP)–led government in Borno State under Governor Kashim Shettima, because the party machineries were responsible for the attack on the Ibn Thaimiyya Islamic Centre (Markas) in Maiduguri (the enclave of the late leader of the sect).

It also requested for an immediate investigation into the killing of their brothers through food poisoning which was perpetrated by prison warders with the alleged  connivance of former Governor Ali Sheriff.

Also, the statement urged the Federal Government to release the report of committee of inquiry set up by late President Umaru Yar’Adua, which was headed by former National Security Adviser (NSA), Abdullahi Sarki Mukhtar, to investigate the alleged extra-judicial killings of their brothers during the 2009 unrest.

Finally, the statement stated that, if the Federal Government cannot fulfill these conditions, the sect members would not entertain any dialogue and that the proposed deployment of additional troops to the state as announced by Gov. Shettima would not deter them from the ongoing guerrilla attacks in any parts of the country. Adding that, they are fully aware of the government’s move to seek assistance of FBI, CIA, the Israel intelligence agency, Mossad or Interpol.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/the-scourge-of-boko-haram-why-obasanjo-visited-mohammed-yusuf%E2%80%99s-family/

[quote author=okada_man link=topic=762376.msg9168228#msg9168228 date=1316303160]I did not elect Reuters. I do not care how careful Reuters is. I expect the highest level of service from a government that gets paid to serve me.

If Reuters got their quote wrong, they answer to their editors and those with responsibility over them.

When The Nigerian Government gets it wrong, they answer to Nigerians. On this one, they apparently failed to wash their teeth before showing it to the camera. Their due diligence was all wrong. I reserve the right to be "hysterical" about that.

But keep the words of wisdom coming sage, I'm enjoying it.  [/quote]Well, the story happens to have spread from Reuters. Do you think Reuters head office is in Nigeria and their CEO is Dr. Abati?

The Hyundai president made a statement in the presence of international witnesses only to retract it, the man is definitely lying; thats what should be worrying to us, even more than what Reuters who were witnesses on the spot reported.
There are deeper questions involved that merit more than our usual empty NL laugh fests. I find the whole saga quite troubling.

[quote author=okada_man link=topic=762376.msg9168055#msg9168055 date=1316301072]My thinking cap on?

Where will I get that kind of thinking cap from when I'm not sharp like you?

I don't know how to spin bro, all I saw from this whole Korean galala dance was a government that did not adequately confirm its story before gleefully unleashing it on 150 Million people.

Any other thinking and spinning beyond that is above my pay-grade. I'll leave it to smart Alecs like you sir.  [/quote]Maybe Reuters reporters are fools like Nigerians too? Because the directly quoted the Hyundai president; its there in black and white, so put on your thinking cap bro. Most times in a headlong rush to shout from the rooftops, we expose our weaknesses. Hysteria is not wisdom.

^
I asked a very straightforward question and you are floundering.

What PRACTICAL solutions to the boko haram issue do you conspiracy theorists have? Or is spreading baseless tales an end in itself? I don't get, what do you gain from picking up stuff from the road to nowhere? There is absolutely zero practicality in the stories you tell, that is why you have been unable to provide a single PRACTICAL suggestion.
Surely, if you know the ins and outs of these mythical underground movements, you would be able to provide at least one suggestion to counter them. The one and only reason you haven't been able (and will never be able) to provide at least one PRACTICAL solution, is because your stories are 100% imaginary.

Gaddem!

^
Nobody has been thrown under any bus.
All you need do is read the Reuters article with your thinking cap on and what actually transpired will become clear as daylight.

Gani's face should be there instead of Murtala's. I'm sure one day though, Nigerians will begin to wake up and right historical wrongs.

--off topic--
Also, we need to view the current boko haram problems in the light of Balewa's speech to dip the Koran in the Atlantic, to remove Balewa's pic as well.

Perhaps, Sylva stumbled in his eagerness to keep his seat.