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shanda:
Just heard on Al Jazeera few minutes ago that Nigeria has reported the case to UN security council.

Yes, they have been reported:

Odein Ajumogobia: "Following preliminary investigations, our permanent mission in New York has reported the seizure and inspection of the arms shipment from Iran."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11765935?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+co%252Fcezl+%2528BBC+News+%257C+News+Front+Page+%257C+World+Edition%2529&utm_content=Google+UK

I gues our govt found this really scary:

Diplomatic and security sources outside Iran said the intended destination of the weapons had not been clarified yet, but they added that investigations have focused on two Iranians believed to be senior members of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards.

A Security Council resolution bans Iran from “supplying, selling or transferring directly or indirectly from its territory or by its nationals … any arms or related material”. Nigerian security agents questioned one of the two Iranian men involved in the arms shipment but could not meet the second because he has diplomatic immunity.

Diplomatic sources outside Iran said the two are believed to be members of al_Quds, an elite unit of the Revolutionary Guards that specialises in foreign operations on behalf of Iran, French_based shipping group CMA CGM said the containers carrying the arms shipment, which was labelled as building materials, had been loaded in Iran by a local trader.

It is 100% certain that there are evil men in Nigeria who would do anything to gain political relevance, acting as traitors to evil foreign influences is not beneath their hollow moralities.
It is the duty of the FG to fish the fckers out and jail the them. Nigeria belongs to all of us, it isn't anyones property.

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For me, the most distressing thing about the bunch of clowns is that they are actually attempting to create new states!
Everybody knows that our multitude of beggar states is Nigeria's biggest problem. Not one state in the "federation" (including the ND ones) can survive a single day without oil. . . But here are our law makers actually battling to worsen the problem, simply because brown envelopes will flow from the concerned regions.

The history of the NASS is littered with depressing failures, physical fights, Earthquaking scandals and World record salaries for doing absolutely nothing. Yet, a full 10% of federal allocations goes to feed the monster that is the NASS!
This country needs urgent restructuring; if the divine madness the NASS has invoked on itself will lead to an unstoppable reaction from the streets, then it is welcome.

Our only hope is to negotiate true federalism. The puzzle is how to go about it.

DapoBear:
Church and State absolutely have to be separated. If your pastor is telling you who to vote for, then he isn't doing his job.

Look, nothing good comes from when the church meddles in political affairs. Not only does it weaken politics and democracy, but it also weakens the church. These pastors should know better than that.

Exactly!

Foolish adherance to religion is the main reason an id!ot like George Bush was voted in by the US. Today, they are ripping all the "benefits" as the US begins a long period of groping in the dark place their ultra Christian George Bush led them into. The same thing happened to the UK under Tony Blair.
There are bright enough pointers from more successful countries for Nigeria to observe.

A couple of nuclear plants will solve all our energy problems within the next decade. Go GEJ! You is di man!

rekeson:
U took the words right out of my mind.

Yeah, Marvix totally killed the emptiness some have been painting here. That dude says his killer bits really quietly.

egift:
Thank God for Emeagwali. If one consider the kind of attack Nigerian's have hauled against him - one begin to wonder if doing positive thing is ok in this country - It seems only crooks are praise with chieftaincy title here and there.

There are two sides to this coin, namely; Nigerians desperately hate smart people, it is part of an endemic inferiority complex; in the converse, Emeagwali's fault remains his gross overhyping, even though he is undeniably smart.

See moves!
E be like say Iran de fear Security Council!

[size=14pt]Arms shipment: Nigeria, Iran disagree[/size]
Headlines Nov 16, 2010 Henry Umoru, with agency reports

https://www.vanguardngr.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/rockets.jpg

ABUJA —Nigeria yesterday disagreed with Iran that the issue of shipment of 13 containers of arms intercepted at Apapa port where Iran was accused of complicity has been settled.

Iranian Foreign Minister, Manouchehr Mottaki who visited Nigeria last week and held a meeting with his Nigerian counterpart, over the matter said yesterday in Tehran that the issue of an alleged Iranian arms shipment intercepted in Nigeria was a “misunderstanding” that has been settled.

“A private company which had sold conventional defence weapons to another country in West Africa had transferred the shipment via Nigeria which raised some doubts with relevant officials,” Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told reporters.

Mottaki said an Iranian national who was in Nigeria as the representative of the company “had offered explanations to Nigerian authorities and I believe the misunderstanding has been cleared up.”He did not specify whether the firm was Iranian.

Investigations ongoing

A spokesman for Nigeria’s Foreign Ministry, Mr Ozo Nwobu however said “investigations are ongoing to determine the level of Iranian involvement and it will be inappropriate for us to comment before allowing them to be concluded”. The spokesman declined to comment on Iran’s assertion that the issue was the result of a misunderstanding and that it had been resolved.

In the heat of the row between Nigeria and Iran over the arms shipment, Iran last week replaced her ambassador to Nigeria. Mottaki did not however say whether the replacement was connected to the weapons case. Spokesman of the Nigerian Foreign Ministry also said the new ambassador’s appointment had no connection with the arms seizure.

Nature of misunderstanding

In Iran, Mottaki did not elaborate on the nature of the misunderstanding or how it was resolved. His statement was the highest-level Iranian comment so far on the case. In late October, Iran’s then ambassador to Nigeria, Hussein Abdullahi, said there was no clear evidence linking his country to the shipment.

Nigeria said the artillery rockets and other weapons, found at a Lagos port last month in shipping containers labelled as building supplies, originated in Iran and may have been destined for Nigerian politicians intending violence if they lose in 2011 elections.

Nigeria also said last week it would take action against Iran if an investigation shows it violated international law and U.N. sanctions, suggesting it might report Tehran to the world body.

An international shipping company based in France, CMA CGM, said it had picked up the containers in which the weapons were hidden in the southern Iranian port of Bandar Abbas. The shipment stopped in Mumbai, India, before heading to Lagos.

Some time last month the shipper sought to have the containers reloaded and sent to Gambia, a tiny West African country wedged inside Senegal, according to the firm.
Nigeria’s intelligence agency said it had been monitoring the shipment, which was disguised as building materials, before it arrived in the country.

It also said the shipment’s destination was Nigeria, and “any argument that the cargo came into the country by mistake is false”.

Last Friday Nigeria threatened to report Iran to the UN Security Council if the arms shipment, which included rockets and grenades, violated sanctions over its sensitive nuclear programme.

Nigerian Foreign Minister Odein Ajumogobia said Iranian officials confirmed the consignment originated in Iran.

During his visit, Mottaki cleared the way for Nigerian security officials to interview one of two Iranians who Nigeria said organized the shipment, Ajumogobia said. The two Iranians, according to Nigeria have taken refuge in the Iranian Embassy.

But Mottaki yesterday depicted the tensions as eased. He said he and the Nigerian foreign minister had held talks on bilateral relations and that Ajumogobia would visit Tehran. Mottaki said the appointment of a new ambassador to Nigeria would “create new opportunities for cooperation between the two countries.”

Weapons had no intended destination

Diplomatic and security sources outside Iran said the intended destination of the weapons had not been clarified yet, but they added that investigations have focused on two Iranians believed to be senior members of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards.

A Security Council resolution bans Iran from “supplying, selling or transferring directly or indirectly from its territory or by its nationals … any arms or related material”. Nigerian security agents questioned one of the two Iranian men involved in the arms shipment but could not meet the second because he has diplomatic immunity.

[size=14pt]Diplomatic sources outside Iran said the two are believed to be members of al_Quds, an elite unit of the Revolutionary Guards that specialises in foreign operations on behalf of Iran, French_based shipping group CMA CGM said the containers carrying the arms shipment, which was labelled as building materials, had been loaded in Iran by a local trader.[/size]

In a sign that tensions continued between the two countries, Nigeria postponed a soccer match against Iran’s national team scheduled for Wednesday in Tehran. The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) in a statement said “The NFF wishes to regrettably announce the postponement of its planned international friendly with the Iranian national team,” it said in a statement.

“The reason was due to the non availability of key players that pulled out from participating in the international friendly at the last minute.”

Iran’s football chief Ali Kafashian earlier said NFF had “apologised for this cancellation.”

“We must and will claim compensation for the cancellation of this match,” Kafashian was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency.

Nigeria had said late last month that it would bring a 20-man squad to Tehran for the game, including 13 players who ply their trade in European leagues.

Meanwhile the Islamic Republic of Iran has called on President Goodluck Jonathan to be a friend to the Islamic country, just as Nigeria officials have been invited to attend the Organisation of Islamic Conference, OIC.

Nigeria and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to work out close cooperation geared towards the removal of those grey areas of misunderstanding emanating from the incident of arms shipment seized in Lagos.

Nigeria, Iran issue communique

A statement issued yesterday from the Embassy of the Islamic Republic of Iran at the end of the meeting between the Iran’s Foreign Minister, Manouchehr Mottaki and Nigeria’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Odein Ajumogobia noted that issues of mutual interest including bilateral, regional and international cooperation formed the discussions.

Other issues raised according to the statement was the condemnation of the October 1st bomb explosions by the Iranian government, just as the government of Iran emphasised the importance of stability, security and prosperity of Nigeria with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The two Ministers also agreed on the commencement of the 4th Meeting of the Joint Economic Commission of the two countries in Tehran in future, promotion of commercial and trade relations up to two billion dollars, expansion of mutual cooperation on areas of oil, gas, energy and electricity production as well as the promotion of cooperation at the regional and international organisations.

According to the statement, ‘’the two Foreign Ministers agreed on the necessity of close cooperation for removing any possible misunderstanding emanating from the recent incident.

‘While the Iranian Foreign Minister acknowledged the development process taking place in Nigeria, he expressed the intention of the Islamic Republic of Iran for constructive contribution in this on_going economic development process

At the meeting, the Iranian government and the government of Nigeria stressed the need for active participation in regional conferences being held by both countries, even as Nigeria’s Ministry of Culture and Tourism was invited to the Ministerial session of the Organization for Islamic Conference slated for 28_29 November in Tehran which Ajumogobia warmly accepted and promised to visit Tehran soon.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/11/arms-shipment-nigeria-iran-disagree/

mens dept:
Being a pastor in Naija is an opportunity to gain power, wealth, women, and prestige, just like military coup and election rigging. [size=14pt]The fact that this is happening in Naija is a "TESTIMONY" that millions of our people are mumu, cowards, children-like, and complacent[/size]. You would think if our country was developed, clean water and air, constant electricity, good government, descent hospitals, a good soccer team and league, that everyone would be worshipping GOD and pastors would be considered angels themselves. But NO. Donate to pastor and not to community project or movement to rid your land of tyrants

Preach bro, preach!!

koruji:
Yorubas will say: "Omo orile ni won, be ba gbe won so ri bedi won jabo" - to translate "they are ground sleepers, even if you put them on a mattress they will roll off".

This NASS is begging for something - and they are going to get it soon.

http://thenationonlineng.net/web3/news/19039.html

You aren't alone in seeing things that way.

We have simply walked into hell with our eyes open by allowing soldiers to write an upside down consititution for us. Everything is scattered, there are no strict delineations of duty, instead the constitution is littered with daft gaps. The NASS has seen the gaps and are threatening to drive through and become the gods we must worship, even more powerful than the President. The do nothing lot are already the highest paid politicians in the World, but that is not enough; their insatiable greed is driving them down a macabre path. Their steps can only lead in one direction.

There is a saying; whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. . .

‘General’ John Togo is a notorious armed robber.

The one good thing he has confirmed is that he has nothing to do with the defunct MEND.
Oh well! He'll soon be dead.

Omenani:
The only power that they pose to the West and other nations is that they are able to export terrorism. Their brand of Islam (Wahabbi) is spreading throughout the Muslim world. This is the only threat they pose. However, this can become a major threat if we do not tackle this situation. There is 1 billion Muslims in this world, and most of them are moderate Muslims who do not subscribe to that brand of Islam. The West needs to prevent the Wahhabi movement from spreading from the Middle East.

The above might be the only reason the West will stand against Nigeria's separation. They would rather prefer a strong South / Middle Belt and a weakened North in order to prevent Iranian or Al Qaeda influence growing in a poverty stricken North.
On the other hand, if Nigeria is to remain one, then a massive educational programe for the North is imperative. That is the only way to dramatically increase the quality of life for the man on the street and quench the sort of desperation that leads to the embrace of extreme religion.

passyjango:
IBB has not been convicted of corruption, so your example does not add up. Although you hate him, there are enough Nigerians who like him. That is probably why he is seen as a serious threat by the incumbent. I am sure there will be lots of other candidates come election day that you could vote for if you do not like IBB.

What a joke!
So, nowadays serious threats need to fall back on tribalism? Damn!

alj harem:
do not underestimate the nigerian army
trust me, the biafra have done it, boko harem have done done it and now it soon be mends turn

we northerners are very brutal in warfare

Very funny! What do you think is required to fly UAV's (hint; supreme IT literacy)? Who do you think will be flying the UAV's while the "brutal" cower?
Forget your rubbish threats jare!

alj harem:
the north will only secede with kwara,kogi ebonyi, rivers and lagos state

Kwara, Kogi and Ebonyi don't have the oil you want. Rivers is way too hot for you to touch and by the time una reach Lagos di whole desert go done catch fire, leaving your army stranded at Offa!

Everything from Kaduna southwards will be Nigeria, that is non-negotiable; the rest can be Arewa.

GEJ bera speed up oil exploration around Lake Chad, so all anti-sessesionists can get drunk on some oel and zoom off into the desert sun.

tensor777:
And where exactly is this oil located off shore or on shore? In fact most of Nigeria's oil resources is located off shore so the derivation issue is a an irrelevance.
However you are shying away from the real reason why the FGN would never ever even contemplate ceding control of the oil fields. Namely that it is the main source of its internally generated revenue and by far the nation's top foreign exchange earner.
To put it on the same pedestal with commodity cash crops like cocoa , oil palm and cotton is a non-starter. Which country relies on mere cash crops these days?
Again the main security issue in Nigeria should be the prompt establishment and depoyment of a well-trained and equipped national guard. When this happens the ruffians would simply be exterminated as a national security threat.

I sincerely hope that the FG never adopts such thinking, because it is extremly short sighted. It might surprise you to learn that there are hundreds of cities the World over whose GDP's surpass Nigeria's. Yes, mere cities!
Lets not allow our unsure thoughts limit our possiblities. A lot more money will flow into federal quarters from diverse sources, if the FG takes the bull by the horn and negotiates our shared existence in a way that ensure true federalism which will increase citizen/regional wellbeing and productivity exponentially.

tensor777:
Even at that there should still be no concession to bandits. But seriously what is the population of bandits and how much firepower would be required to totally exterminate their menace.
Be that as it may there can be and will be no national conference or confederation as the sovereignty and unity of Nigeria is totally non-negotiable.

I smell inordinate fear in that statement. Inordinate fear always leads to disaster
Fear clouds our vision to greater possibilities and makes mountains out of molehills.

Every situation on Earth is negotiable. In any event negotiating our common existence can only introduce fairness, justice and the contract between citizen and state that Nigeria lacks. Indeed, if you need the reason Nigeria is a wretchedly tangled jungle, you will find it in the absence of a citizen - state contract, and the way to create one surely isn't by proclaiming mechanical non-negotiabilities.

[size=14pt]Evidence Iran is behind seized arms cargo [/size]
Published: Nov. 15, 2010 at 3:59 PM

LAGOS, Nigeria, Nov. 15 (UPI) -- Nigerian authorities said they found more evidence that Iran was behind a large shipment of arms, including rockets, uncovered at the country's largest port Oct. 26.

The ultimate destination of the weapons remains a mystery, although Israel says they were destined for Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip via a new Iranian arms pipeline through Africa.

However, Nigerian authorities are concerned that the weapons were destined for Nigeria by political figures who seek to destabilize the country if they are defeated in general and presidential elections scheduled for early 2011.

If that proves to be the case, it would mark a major Iranian intervention in oil-rich West Africa that could impact on U.S. oil supplies. Iran already is involved clandestine operations in Sudan and Egypt.

Nigeria is grappling with a simmering insurgency in its southern oil fields and Christian-Muslim fighting in the central region as the potentially divisive election battle between northern and southern rivals.

The arms found in 13 containers included 107mm rockets, 120mm, 80mm and 60mm mortars and small arms ammunition.

The containers, marked construction materials, had been loaded in the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas. That's a major base for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps which provides weapons and training for the Shiite Hezbollah organization in Lebanon and aids the Palestinian Hamas group in the Gaza Strip.

The shipment arrived in Lagos, Nigeria's business capital, in July but wasn't uncovered until Nigerian security agents opened the sealed containers.

Officials said two Revolutionary Guard officers had organized the shipment through a Tehran company called International Trading and General Construction. Official documents identified them as Azimi Agajany and Sayyed Akbar Tahmaesebi. Iran's Foreign Ministry had endorsed their visa applications.

Nigerian officials said they believe the men are holed up in the Iranian Embassy in Abuja, Nigeria's administrative capital.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki flew to Lagos Thursday to discuss the arms shipment with Nigerian leaders, which violated U.N. sanctions banning all Iranian exports of arms, direct or indirect.

. . .

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/11/15/Evidence-Iran-is-behind-seized-arms-cargo/UPI-30221289854759/

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Dude, what you described above is what INEC would term, "landslide" victory for Jonathan!

babytoun:
^^^^^^^^^^^
i see the point you are trying to make. i dont expect us all to see things same way, however i would have been more comfortable if you

1. stated the candidate that is more popular than jonathan within or outside pdp(popular in the context of voter following, not these forms of popularity you defined)
2. your estimate of percentage votes , the candidate will win accross the different geopolitical zones.

. . .And 1025 ran away!
Damn!

That leaves IBB as consensus candidate.

abagoro:
Not just Odili and Atiku.Obasanjo,Danjuma,IBB,Azazi,Alamiesigha,Ibori,Kalu and even the so-called richest African.

Why do you believe that the present crop of politicians are not involved in bunkering too?

I have hints on most of those deals done in Rivers State.That is the reason why I still advocate for dialogue and true federalism.It is not right to kill and imprison used people just because you think that their services are no longer required.

I used those two, because I believe they are the most dangerous examples and they are even known internationally. I know nothing about most of those you mentioned.
But bros, inasmuch as I'm an avid true federalism evangelist, your reasons for it are not valid (or you haven't made yourself clear).

kabukabu50:
They should also include in the so called screening process total disqualification for past Presidents like IBB and Buhari,if at all anyone is to take them seriously

Buhari has never been a member of PDP.

[quote author=saridon_p link=topic=550392.msg7149303#msg7149303 date=1289836716]@Beaf,So for the fact that they agreed that the weapons originated from their country means their government is involved.I think you should check the way you reason.[/quote]The bolded is the answer to your question. Do you think you can just load weapons on a boat in any country for shipment elsewhere without govt knowledge?
Have you ever heard of a country that manufactures rockets, yet doesn't know where those rockets are? . . .Anybody can just help themselves and load them on ships?
You tink say na Oshodi market?

Dude, you aint very bright.

Ibime:
This is all fallout of amnesty program.

How many warlords can FG afford to pay off?

FG needs to cut off the head of the monster, namely ex-military bigwigs involved in bunkering and paying these boys to do so.

In 1998 when IBB called the military guys together to usher in democracy, oil bunkering was their means of ensuring they were well placated.

It isn't just ex-Generals, political bigwigs like Odili and Atiku are neck deep in dirty oil politics.

kheme:
so, it's safe to say that "Programmers are good in mathematics" is not a general phrase? or in other words, not ALL programmers are good in mathematics, yes?!?

Cos there are different levels of programming, it could be java, C++, J#, 8086/8085 assembly language, it could be programming a web page or a water tank, or a robotic arm or a car, or a mobile phone or a traffic light system or virus removal tool or network packet sniffer or even a simple plain text editor, all of which i do whilst NOT being good in mathematics and do not ALL require "mathematics" but rather more of logic, no??

and by mathematics, i do not mean arithmetics!!! i mean calculus, cylindrical coordinates, integrations, gama and beta functions, advance derivatives, legendre functions, 3-d coordinate systems, bessel functions, and the like of those crazy things,

@fallguy: this forum was made possible by PHP (web programming), or would you call that code writing it doesn't require "mathematics" though might require some "arithmetics". or am i wrong or am i missing something here guys??

@Gsmxpert: what kind of maths do you require? i know "engineers" may require the maths and the complex forumlars, but if i'm not mistaking here, isn't it after the engineers have solved their maths that the programmers come the teach the machines how to solve these complex maths (programming) i mean, i still don't know the almighty formula off the tip of my tongue, but written programs with it in different languages, in other words, i can teach the silly (GIGO) machine how to solve complex maths using almighty formula for whatever reason the engineer needs it. en/decryption algorithms have a logic behind them, no?? and you need computers to realize this, no?? i've written programs for network en/decryption before, still didn't require much maths ON MY SIDE. or am i getting it wrong here Gsmxpert??

So though with limited or lack of in-dept knowledge of everything, in my opinion, code writers or programmers (whether high level or low level), the phrase in question here cannot be generalized

Have i missed something or, are there other opinions out there

You are a Developer not a Programmer. There is a vast difference, creating forum software is not programming.
All Programmers know maths.

Dude! I see's you be smoking some damn strong sh!t!
. . .Bros, keep away from windows, next thing, you will think you can fly too. . . Then GBOA!!