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debosky:
Just what is 'aberrant taste'? At a point, a black man seeking to sleep with a white woman was 'aberrant taste'.

At one point, a woman seeking to work was regarded as 'aberrant taste'.

I'm not justifying homosexuality by the way, but the reasoning used to condemn it at times are fatally flawed.

Well said - if the 'bad experiences' faced by millions daily in Nigeria hasn't driven everyone to homosexuality, how can that be the primary cause?

Forget about racism, thats not what we are talking about.

If you were talking about a country like Jamaica where there is bristling hatred for gays, you would have a point. But in Nigeria, there are even gay love-peddlers that everybody knows about and no hatred is displayed to them even though their actions are abominable to the majority; so comparisons with racism are way overboard and uncalled for.

Dawgpound:
Dude shut da 4k with all that jargon. I had a very wonderful lifestyle. My parents were there to support me well well. I always excelled.

If having bad experience is the cause then guess what 90% of Nigerians are GAYS coz that jungle is so crappy anyone born there have had a bad experience growing up.

Are you sure you read everything I wrote or you just saw what you are programmed to see, because you didn't address what I posted.
From what you have said, you might either need medical help or you are voluntarily gay.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=495020.msg6562389#msg6562389 date=1281630292]Well, I dont know about that. But what then do you say for bi-sexuals? Or homosexuals that have had the gay tendencies since they hit puberty?[/quote]Its almost certain its the upbringing that went wrong. Such things are the result of psychological injuries, it could be anything from overbearing parents to unloving parents or peer pressure etc etc. In the few cases were the child is born with mixed organs, medical help is an option.
If every attempt to help fails, then the child has to be allowed to live in peace but, society must never bend backwards to accomodate aberrant tastes.
When they force themselves on society, they get a backlash.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=495742.msg6561689#msg6561689 date=1281624462]@Beaf
Lol how much is your trouble worth?

Look at this one.[/quote]My trouble is big o!
If you don't want to wake up veeeeeeeeeeeery tired and smiling pleasantly like you saw the lord, don't look for my trouble!

Dawgpound:
Beaf,
Not all gays support or care about gay marriage. I dont support it. Its silly and unnecessary but I do believe in civil unions. But then being a liberal like I am I believe that if they feel like they are treated different and wanna waka about calling eachother husband or wife & wife then let the court wed them. If religious institution feel uncomfortable then okay then, so be it. The idea that by persecuting them they'll stop yearning for these things is moronic and tells me alot about my African people. Very backward. Instead of fighting social problems, governments, criminals they are after some defenceless queer. wow!!!

Like I said, if they keep to their business quietly, nobody will bother them; gays have always existed and been tolerated in Nigeria. It is when they decide to fight for "rights" that problems crop up, such as our draconian anti-homo laws that make all pro-homo arguments here criminal, but I guess the server is in the US, so there is little threat of 5 year jail terms being liberally handed around.

bawomolo:
actually there are cases of left handed children being forced to use their right hands in naija. thanks to religious ignorance of course.

it only makes sense when you have seemingly sane people wishing death on them.

Yes, there is a lot of discrimination against left handed people, from the way tools are built to societal perceptions. but fighting for "left handed" rights would be absurd. It is exactly the same for gay rights. We already know they are there in our society.

Nigeria is not Jamaica were gay people are routinely murdered, even in the sharia North, nobody has been stoned for being gay.
That threat simply does not exist in Nigeria, so lets stop living to suit other peoples impressions.

bawomolo:
people who talk about heterosexual rights are as silly as white people who complain about black entertainment television.

the world is tailored to favor heterosexuals just like it is tailored to favor white males in the west.   I don't think you would be rejected to tag on to the health insurance of your opposite love mate.

I see.

The World is also tailored to suit right handed people. How about fighting for "left handed" rights?
Fighting for gay rights doesn't make sense, in fact, it is taking the mickey.

Dawgpound:
Beaf,

Wow!!! I have followed your comments for a lil while now. Thought you were a bit intelligent but damn I guess this issue exposed the ugliness in you.

Man hold up!!

I have said it enough times, gays exist in Nigeria and nobody is hunting them down. Just don't keep it within your lil circle.
I posted that Nigerian law as a lesson, it was passed as a result of sponsored demonstrations for same sex marriage rights. Do your thing quietly and nobody will disturb, just don't disturb others with it.

Kobojunkie:
A bill is now a law ? WOW!!!

I guess we ought to be jumping for joy that there is FOI bill which has been in senate for almost 10 years now.

WOOHOOO!! PARRTTEEEYYYY!!!!

Most times you talk stupidly.
The Federal Executive Council approved the law on January 18, 2007.

Ujujoan:
I get weary of discussing with people who are so set on their ways that they refuse to reason.

I actually pity you guys. If only you can channel your hate for homosexuals to something more harmful, like fraud, cheating and so on!  Instead you prefer to languish in a world of misguided superiority. Pity!!

Strange outburst, because I don't agree with you and I debunked your theory of medical reasons for gay rights.
I don't believe in gay rights. By the way, what are heterosexual rights and who fights for them and shoves them up our noses?

A Bill For An Act To Make Provisions For The Prohibition Of Sexual Relationship Between Persons Of The Same Sex, Celebration Of Marriage By Them And For Other Matters Connected Therewith Be It Enacted By The National Assembly Of The Federal Republic Of Nigeria As Follows:

1.Short Title
[size=14pt]This Act may be cited as Same Sex Marriage (Prohibition) Act 2006.[/size]

2.Interpretation
In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires-
"Marriage" means a legally binding union between a man and a woman be it performed under the authority of the State, Islamic Law or Customary Law; "Minister" means the Minister responsible for Internal Affairs; "Same Sex Marriage" means the coming together of two persons of the same gender or sex in a civil union, marriage, domestic partnership or other form of same sex relationship for the purposes of cohabitation as husband and wife.

3.Validity and Recognition of Marriage
For the avoidance of doubt only marriage entered into between a man and a woman under the marriage Act or under the Islamic and Customary Laws are valid and recognized in Nigeria.

4.Prohibition of Same Sex Marriage, etc
(1) Marriage between persons of the same sex and adoption of children by them in or out of a same sex marriage or relationship is prohibited in the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
(2) Any marriage entered into by persons of same sex pursuant to a license issued by another state, country, foreign jurisdiction or otherwise shall be void in the Federal Republic of Nigeria.
(3) Marriages between persons of the same sex are invalid and shall not be recognized as entitled to the benefits of a valid marriage.
(4) Any contractual or other rights granted to persons involved in same sex marriage or accruing to such persons by virtue of a license shall be unenforceable in any Court of law in Nigeria.
(5) The Courts in Nigeria shall have no jurisdiction to grant a divorce, separation and maintenance orders with regard to such same sex marriage, consider or rule on any of their rights arising from or in connection with such marriage.

5.Non-Recognition of Same Sex Marriage
(1) Marriage between persons of same sex entered into in any jurisdiction whether within or outside Nigeria, any other state or country or otherwise or any other location or relationships between persons of the same sex which are treated as marriage in any jurisdiction, whether within or outside Nigeria are not recognized in Nigeria.
(2) All arms of government and agencies in the Federal Republic of Nigeria shall not give effect to any public act, record or judicial proceeding within or outside Nigeria, with regard to same sex marriage or relationship or a claim arising from such marriage or relationship.

6.Prohibition of celebration of same sex marriage in a place of worship
(1) Same sex marriage shall not be celebrated in any place of worship by any recognized cleric of a Mosque, Church, denomination or body to which such place of worship belongs.
(2) No marriage license shall be issued to parties of the same sex in the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

7.Prohibition of Registration of Gay Clubs and Societies and Publicity of same sex sexual relationship
(1) Registration of Gay Clubs, Societies and organizations by whatever name they are called in institutions from secondary to the tertiary level or other institutions in particular and, in Nigeria generally, by government agencies is hereby prohibited.
(2) Publicity, procession and public show of same-sex amorous relationship through the electronic or print media physically, directly, indirectly or otherwise are prohibited in Nigeria.
(3) Any person who is involved in the registration of gay clubs, societies and organizations, sustenance, procession or meetings, publicity and public show of same sex amorous relationship directly or indirectly in public and in private is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to a term of 5 years imprisonment.

8.Offences and Penalties
(1) Any person goes through the ceremony of marriage with a person of the same sex is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to a term of 5 years imprisonment.
(2) Any person who performs, witnesses, aids or abets the ceremony of same sex marriage is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to a term of 5 years imprisonment.

9.Jurisdiction
The High Court in the States and the Federal Capital Territory shall have jurisdiction to entertain all matters, causes and proceedings arising from same sex marriages and relationships.

EXPLANATORY MEMORANDUM
This Act shall prohibit in the Federal Republic of Nigeria the relationship between persons of the same sex, celebration of marriage by them and other matters connected therewith.

What a bill!

It was in response to this sort of foolish pressure, its best for homo's to go about their business quietly and nobody will bother them, but the moment they start fighting for "rights", the hammer will fall.
Homo is officially outlawed in Nigeria.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6

Ujujoan:
And our society that has 'rejected' homosexualism is so much better off  

If you think it's only priests that molset children then you have to think again?

You know what, I'm tired of this argument. It's your choice to love or hate what you want. You just come off as close-minded!

No, your weak arguments and position scare you.

This bill passed very easily. The gate is already shut against legalising any homo crap. People can do what they like, but don't shove it in our faces, or there will be a backlash (the risk of much stricter laws or the risk of street justice).

[size=14pt]Nigeria moves to tighten gay laws  [/size]

The deputy speaker said Nigerians shouldn't forget their cultural heritage
Nigeria's House of Representatives has held a public hearing on a new bill seeking to outlaw gay relations.
The bill, which could become law before April's elections, proposes a five-year sentence for anyone convicted of being openly gay or practising gay sex.

Critics say the bill is anti-freedom, but religious leaders say it will help "protect society's morals and values".

Homosexuality is taboo across most of Africa, although South Africa recently legalised gay marriages.
The committee conducting the public hearing say they have received over 100 petitions from rights groups asking that the proposed bill be withdrawn.

"The bill is going to seriously violate the rights of people. This bill is evil and should not be allowed to see that light of the day," says Alimi Ademola who heads Independent Project Nigeria, a gay rights organisation.

Debate

But the bill will prove popular in a country where homosexuality is taboo and elections are looming, says the BBC's Senan Murray in Abuja.

 
While we are trying to protect morals and values, we must also remember to protect people's rights even if they are a minority

MP Abdul Oroh
Parliamentary insiders say the bill is likely to be passed by both chambers of the Nigerian National Assembly by the end of March, he says.

Speaking at the session, Deputy Speaker Austin Opara said he did not want Nigerians to forget their "religious and cultural backgrounds".

The Christian Association of Nigeria (Can), the umbrella body for Nigerian Christians, called for speedy passage of the law, describing same sex unions as "barbaric and shameful".

The National Muslim Centre also condemned gay relations as "immoral, and runs contrary to our cultural and religious values".

The deputy chairman of the house committee on human rights Abdul Oroh says it was hypocritical of proponents of the bill to use morality and religion as basis for their arguments.

"We should not be hypocritical here. I think we should deal with this subject dispassionately. While we are trying to protect morals and values, we must also remember to protect people's rights even if they are a minority," Mr Oreh said at the public hearing.

The United Nations has warned that the bill would promote the spread of HIV/Aids.

"Failing to acknowledge that sex between men will only increase the vulnerability of men - and women - to HIV infection, since men who cannot talk about their sexual orientation are less likely to seek appropriate support services," said Dr Pierre Mpele, the UNAids country co-ordinator in Nigeria.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6362505.stm

Ujujoan:
In countries where homosexualism is not a crime, they have managed to procreate with ease. Why would it be any different here?

People decide to be celibate and nobody talks about 'wilful destruction of the society'!

Accept it, it's not procreation that's your grouse with homosexuality. It's not that it's a 'crime' either! I think it's in our nature to think less of people that are somehow different from us. It's called double standard and hypocricy at it's best!

Last time I looked, most societies that have accepted homo also seem to have accepted other factors that have seen them declining, rather than growing.
As for those who have sworn to celibacy, we all know the unreal ratio of child mollesters in cassocks;

The average pe dophile priest abuses 285 victims

http://www.religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex6.htm

Oh yes, celibacy too, is a crime.

bidemi12:
there you go again. illogical. are you saying to prove someone is dumb/silly you have to be silly/dumb yourself? illogical.

Don't mind the guy jare! Its people like him that gave courage to the id iot that claimed 70% of Nigerians have a low IQ.

Ujujoan:
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But then again you miss the point. Who gets hurt in the course of homosexualism? Same sex intercouse is not the same as putting a bullet in someone's head!

It might not be the best thing to do but why are we so set against it? Are there not worse 'crimes' committed with considerably less criticism?

I don't know what crime can be worse than encouraging the death of society. If all females were lesbians and all males were homo's, you and I wouldn't be here.
The only crime equal to the willful destruction of society is murder.

[quote author=omo~fat link=topic=495020.msg6561302#msg6561302 date=1281620707]How will you equate homosexuals with criminals?

Most nigerian men love football to pieces. It's in our genes. Should we then criminalise the few nigerian who dont like football because they made a choice to go against the grain?

Can you see how silly analogies work?[/quote]Yes, Nigerian law says they are criminals. And we are Nigerians. The law also says supporters of homo are criminals too. So if you don't like the law, lobby your rep (and face jail) or leave the country.

And please. it is stupid to say football is in our genes. If you think it isn't stupid, provide a link to a science article that support that foolishness you posted.

Ujujoan:
Psychology has proven that most times it's not a choice to make. Some are just born that way. I enjoy sex too much to consider towing that line!

But I dont think people should be punished for something they cannot help. And please homosexuals and human beings, just like you and I!

I like the way you say "most"; so you agree that some at least, make the deliberate choice to go against the grain? All good.

"Medicine has also proven" that most criminals are born with a predilection for crime. Should we stop jailing criminals?
Buy this book http://www.amazon.com/Born-Crime-Criminal-Contributions-Criminology/dp/0313241724

Ujujoan:
Okay, let me rephrase that - homosexuality should not be a crime!  

If I were a lesbian, I'm sure I'll be able to snatch your wife from you!      

So why haven't you chosen to be one since you support it so much? Some people make a deliberate choice.
I get sick of people seeking relevance with screaming inane things like "legalise homo", "give gorilla's human rights" and other bunkum.

Mods, why are there so many duplicate threads? I mean tonnes of duplicate threads? Why aren't repeat and serial offenders given warnings?

[size=14pt]FG Releases 45,000 Tons of Food Items[/size]
11 August 2010

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President Goodluck Jonathan has ordered the release of 45,000 tons of various food items for sale to the public across the country at subsidised rates.

The Minister of Agriculture, Prof. Sheikh Abdallah, made the announcement on Tuesday in Minna, while flagging-off the release and sale of the food items from the National Strategic Food Reserve.

He said the gesture was aimed at cushioning the high costs of food items in the country.

"The president has directed that food items be released at subsidised prices from the National Strategic Food Reserve to cushion the effects of high prices.

"This marks yet another milestone in our bid to ensure food security to our teeming population", he said.

The minister, represented by Mr. Olawole Babalola, Deputy Director, Budget, said the food items, which include maize, sorghum, millet, soyabeans and garri would be sold at 30 percent subsidised rate.

He disclosed that the Guaranteed Minimum Price (GMP) programme of the Federal Government would ensure that farmers would be able to dispose of their farm produce at "remunerative producers prices".

He added that GMP would also help to reduce wastages occasioned by lack of marketing outlets, adding that it would encourage farmers to produce more and ensure food security.

In his address at the occasion, the Niger State governor, Babangida Aliyu, said the state government had embarked on a similar programme like the GMP to cushion the effects of high costs of foodstuff in the state.

Represented by the Commissioner for Agriculture, Alhaji Aminu Yusuf, the governor said the programme would ensure that the people had a tranquil atmosphere during the Ramadan fast. NAN

http://allafrica.com/stories/201008120241.html

Ujujoan:
I thought you weren't bringing religion/God/sin into this?

Homosexuality might be an aberation, but it's not a crime. Maybe the God who created the majority to be right-handed made majority heterosexual as well! Does it make left-handedness or homosexualism a sin

And who says so? It is an imprisonable crime by Nigerian law. And we are Nigerians.

Gays exist in Nigeria and they are not being killed, but they exist in a cage since as non-procreators, they are worthless to society.
So there is some sort of balance but, the day they attempt to break out of their lil cage. . . [size=21pt]BOOM!!! SUDDEN DEATH!!![/size]

Gays here, please respect yourselves and keep out of peoples faces.

"pdp Chieftain  Tells Beaf"
Na wa for dis Ileke sef. She de fin my trouble o!

IBB of all demons from the outer beyond! That teenage looking Alhaji Danladi Anyo needs to learn a thing or two about the real World; I pity sycophants like him anyway, while he is busy making silly noises, his boss is lying through his teeth and pleading on bended knee to be allowed only one term http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=180537

IBB is well advised to leave Nigeria alone and ride his chariots right back into hell.

Is it not a disgrace that Nigeria, one of the Worlds foremost oil producers does not have a single oil tanker?
All we do is foolishly collect any money given to us, we don't know how the oil is drilled, how it is transported. . . Foreigners know more about the oil that exist deep in the bowels of our own country.

[size=14pt]Nigeria Loses $5m Daily from Crude Oil Lifting[/size]
From Kunle Aderinokun, Segun James and Ahamefula Ogbu in Yenagoa, 08.12.2010

The Nigerian Content Development and Monito-ring Board (NCDMB) yesterday lamented that the nation was losing over $5 million daily- that is, N750 million daily, from the non-participation of Nigerians in the lifting of crude oil in the nation’s oil industry.
Executive Secretary of NCDMB, Engr. Ernest Nwakpa said this yesterday in Yenagoa, Bayelsa at Workshop for the Media on the reporting local content issues, to mark 100 days of the Board.

Nwakpa said crude oil lifting was one critical aspect of the oil industry that Nigerians could easily participate in.
According to him, one of the key areas of implementation of the Nigerian Content Act is that, “first and exclusively consideration” is given to “Nigerian indigenous companies that demonstrate ownership of equipment and capacity in crude lifting, downstream and ownership of marine vessels, tools and equipment used for performing work in Nigeria.”
Nwakpa urged Nigerians to use the opportunity provided by the Act to invest in all aspect of the industry as it guaranteed a greater participation of Nigerians in the oil industry.
“This law is a major opportunity to resurge our national economic development, create employment, develop local industrial and technological capacity growth, douse the tensions in the Niger Delta by integrating the inhabitants of the oil producing communities into the mainstream of industry activities.”

As for the support of the executive, the NCDMB boss stated that, “we have the unalloyed backing of President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan(GCFR), the Honourable Minister of Petroleum, Mrs. Deziani Alison-Madueke and the government to fully implement the laws and begin to show dividends to Nigerians.”

He however pointed out that, a major gap is the continued absence of commitment and resolve on the part of Nigerians in key positions of authority within the industry to insist that we collectively and consistently abide by the provisions of this law and make it count. “If we don’t insist, the foreigners won’t help us with compliance,” he added.

Earlier , during a presentation, General Manager, Capacity Building, NCDMB
Engr. Taiwo Elegba said the Federal Government planned to grow the nation’s crude oil reserves to an estimated level of about 40billion barrels by 2015 with production capacity targeted to hit about 2.5 million barrels of oil per day (mbpd) by the same year.

To him, the national aspiration for oil and gas is robust as “It balances the focus on two key levers production capacity / revenue growth and specific aspiration to link the industry with the domestic economy.”

Elegba also said, for gas, there is currently proven reserves of 182 tonnes cubit feet of gas, which puts Nigeria as world’s seventh largest. He however added that, gas utilization potential stood at over 20billion cubit feet per day.

Besides, Elegba revealed that, over $500 million per year will be spent on engineering design projects in the oil sector within the next five years
Likewise, he gave a figure of over $8 billion per year as an amount earmarked for fabrication scope in the upstream for the next five years as he stated that, about $25bn will be spent on procurement of materials in the same period of time.

Speaking on the Petroleum Industry Bill presently with the National Assembly, Elegba expressed the hope of passing it very soon, saying, “When signed into law, PIB will stimulate investments and opportunities.”
More importantly, he added that, “the Nigerian Content Act will ensure that these investments are domiciled and bring benefits to Nigerians.”

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=180523

Ladyjide:
The big deal is that the money should have originally been allocated to something else, especially a place now calling for the raise of debt just to fund something as simple as Elections! Elections is something that is way more important than the luxurious transportation of the president and his goons! The planes are not a national asset, as they loose value the same as anything else, especially a plane as extravagant as a jet!!!

You want our presido to fly around in a propeller driven plane?

If people want to be gay in the US, fine. If they want to be gay in Europe, fine. If they attempt it in Nigeria, the law says, lock em up!

Rewindin'

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These allegations are eye popping! Damn!
The govt has no choice but to thoroughly investigate Akingbola's assertions.

I always thought there was more to the banking saga. Could this be the reason for the totally needless agbero tactics employed by Sanusi?