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Perhaps one of the most controversial air transports for a head of state was that of Zaire leader [size=14pt]Mobutu Sese Seko, who leased a supersonic Concorde in the late 1980s and early 1990s[/size]. The jet, obtained from Air France, was based at Gbadolite and was not only used for diplomatic missions but also for European shopping trips for the ruler's wealthy family. There was also a Boeing 707 (registration number 9T-MSS) that was used for a while and has been stored in Lisbon since 1996, as well as a Boeing 727 (9Q-RDZ).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government#Zaire Henh! Jonathan nefa start sef! |
GAR3TH beat me to it! ![]() |
Dis Guy:There is a special section of the airforce that is dedicated to flying only the prime minister and royal family, thats way more than what Nigeria has. The prime minister also flies by chartered jets. This link takes you to the UK section of a wikipedia article on presidential planes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_transports_of_heads_of_state_and_government#United_Kingdom |
Kobojunkie:Thank God Kobojunkie realises what his real issue is! What a wonderful day. Satisfying, yet very very funny!!!! ![]() This is the wrong way to count; 2, 1, 3, 4 etc |
How do you plan to leave Earth? Foolish topic. |
Kobojunkie: ![]() This is the proper way to count and also to understand a hierachy; 1, 2, 3 , 4 etc. This is wrong; 2, 1, 3, 4 etc ![]() Agreed, applying wrong ways of working out hierachies and responsibilities gets "irritating" to observers. |
If duly imported govt equipment was being auctioned by private individuals, the buck falls squarely the head of govt at the time and that was Yar Adua. The secret is in the number. If the number one man says nothing moves, then nothing moves; the number one man is the head of govt, so lets not have a pointless argument. One comes before two. |
Kobojunkie:. . .And Yar Adua's govt refused to clear the containers, in fact, the equipment that was bought with tax payers money, was being put up for auction. . . Blame Yar Adua's non-govt; [size=14pt]6000 MW Equipment Abandoned At the Ports[/size]http://allafrica.com/stories/201003081104.html |
Dis Guy:Abeg go sidon jare! How I wish I really had some palmie sha!Anyways, here is some of the port gist for the last of the items Obj imported that are getting cleared as we speak. They are finally being liberated for their rightful purposes after gathering cobwebs for 3 years (effects of being clamped down by Yar Adua's cabal); A seventy percent waiver on all charges have been granted on the over 250 containers laden with equipment for the National Integrated Power Projects (NIPPs) that had been abandoned at Lagos ports for more than three years.http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13470:nipp-containers-get-70-waiver-on-charges&catid=85:national&Itemid=340 Jonathan is doing exceedingly well. Thank you. |
[size=14pt]Fuel Glut: Petrol Now Sell Below N65 in Delta[/size] Published On Sunday, August 01, 2010 By admin. Under: Delta State. By Omafume Amurun, Several filling stations in Effurun, Warri and environ has started selling fuel below N65 per litre just as the Chairman, Independent Petroluem Marketing Association of Nigeria(IPMAN) Chief Akpos Edafevwotu attributed the situation to petrol supply exceeding demand. Chief Edafevwotu who spoke on July 29, 2010 during the ordinary general meeting of the association held in Ekpan-Effurun said the current glut in the supply of petrol was very healthy for the business and it showed that deregulation of the down stream industry could bring than prices contrary to general believe. He said what determined the price of any product was availability and that the current plans by IPMAN could also flood the market with products. According to him already the IPMAN Mid West zone had registered a mega station known as Deldo Petroleum PLC and they were in the process of partnering with Neptune Energy Services for bulk purchasing and sales. The IPMAN chairman also noted that the current pumping of products to Benin depot by the Petroleum Products Marketing Company(PPMC) could free a lot of products normally transported by road and these products would be available for consumers in Warri and environs thereby forcing down prices as it would be better to make small profit regularly rather store your products indefinitely because you would want to sell at N65 per litre Chief Edafevwotu gave details of efforts he had make so far to fulfill his prograamme which he said was based on peace and security, members welfare as well as enhancement of members income. He expressed happiness about the peace and decorum in the environment and the level of cohesion and harmony between marketers and other stakeholders. According to him, the presence and dominance of peace does not mean there was no threat of crisis. He noted that previously people’s car booths, offices were broken into and looted as well as harassment of marketers. He informed his member about the N100 million facilities being offered to marketers by Eagle Flight Bank and appealed to marketers to ensure that they pay their statutory fees to weight and measures for their pumps and dipping sticks. Chief Edafevwotu noted the letters from Uvwie and Ubeji marketers for executive positions and said the issues were being handled at the constituency level but emphasized that IPMAN had a constitution and that at all times the body would be governed by majority decision. He noted with delight the excellent work done by the three committees set up by his administration. They included the conflict resolution committee headed by Mr. Aremu Stephen Akintoloa, the Security committee headed by Pastor Felix Otubu and the Welfare committee led by Dr. Dozie Iroegbulem. http://urhobotimes.com/?p=136 |
One thing I've noticed is people seem to be hung on political parties. You can actually vote for completely different parties at different levels; presidency, legislature, governoship, lg etc; the voting days are even different for the different levels as well. |
asha 80:You got that right bro. Too right. True federalism is the only way and anyone aspiring to lead us must have that aspiration (or his section of the country at the very least). True federalism or burst. ![]() |
In any case, Babangida seems to be unfair to himself by talking of some ‘no-question-areas’ at this time. The truth is that all this while questions have been persistent in those areas and he has been answering them in his own way. For instance, he has accepted responsibility for the annulment of the June 12 election while refusing to tender outright public apology for the trauma that the act caused the nation. In the days following the annulment in 1993 there were, of course, several reasons his administration gave for annulling the election. He has denied that the state under him killed Giwa. He has given explanations of how the $12 billion from the Gulf War windfall was spent. |
@Gbawe What PDP has said is that if zoning must remain, then it must from the South South, so stop bouncing around in glee. ![]() Daily trust is not a paper to that provides any degree of common sense, they are torn apart by deep tribalism. That paper has always been the vehicle of various threats against the stability of the country. I wonder why you regularly post from it? @topic Zoning must to be totally removed from our politics. If PDP is doing this out of political exigency, then they must understand that they must bin zoning within the first year of Jonathans next term. |
[quote author=Osama_10 link=topic=495024.msg6551728#msg6551728 date=1281496141]He is really a mad man now.[/quote] ![]() |
truly:The above does not help your argument as to why funding the grid would be inimical to Nigeria's debt rating. It is largely a list of the failings of past govts. The bolded is the biggest fault in your argument. You do not blame the Vice-President for the failure of govt. There's a reason why there is a President, the buck stops at his desk. The buck only began stopping at Jonathans desk 3 short months ago (May 6 2010). |
olafolarin:Do you realise the President is from that state? And he is in PDP? And Timipre is in dread of EFCC after his immunity ends? |
becomrich3:All of them, because they at least, pretend to know what they are talking about. You don't know what you are talking about, you only know how to search google for some wack maps. |
Kobojunkie:India caught up with others, so why do you feel we can't catch up with them? |
truly:Any money put into the power sector is almost certain to be clawed back tenfold. We already had a high debt rating without the manufacturing capacity to make a pin. In fact producing electricty from private generating plants makes up a whopping 40% of our manufacturers costs, that is why that sector is epileptic, not because there are no brains in the country. If we need to catch up with the likes of India in IT by offering low cost international IT services, we must invest in power supply. I could find a million more reasons to make your financing and dept rating question laughable, |
truly:Everything that failed in Yar Adua's non-govt was Yar Adua's fault as squarely as night is not day. What is the point of continously bringing up Yar Adua? |
Former President Ibrahim Babangida has reportedly come up with some rules of engagement with reporters. He listed some areas of socio-political life on which he should not be asked questions. The “no-question-areas” include the killing of the founding Editor-in-Chief of Newswatch, Mr. Dele Giwa; the annulment of the June 12, 1993 presidential election won by Bashorun Moshood Abiola and the zoning of party tickets for elections by the Peoples Democratic Party of Nigeria (PDP). Damn! The demon wants to keep secrets! |
[size=14pt]The Questions Babangida Wants Forbidden[/size] The Horizon By Kayode Komolafe,Email:kayodekomolafe@thisdayonline.com,Tel:08055001974, 08.11.2010 Former President Ibrahim Babangida has reportedly come up with some rules of engagement with reporters. He listed some areas of socio-political life on which he should not be asked questions. [color=#ff3300]The “no-question-areas” include the killing of the founding Editor-in-Chief of Newswatch, Mr. Dele Giwa; the annulment of the June 12, 1993 presidential election won by Bashorun Moshood Abiola and the zoning of party tickets for elections by the Peoples Democratic Party of Nigeria (PDP).[/color] Ordinarily, it should sound strange that it is the interviewee who is specifying on which issues he should be taken up. But it should be understandable why Babangida needs some rules of engagement. First, it is a symptom of the military hangover. In the barracks it may be customary to limit the questions to be asked; but in the civil setting such would be seen as an alien practice. To be sure, Babangida has the prerogative to answer the question the way he likes. He may even elect not to answer any question at all. It is, however, not his place to make rules that he should not be asked the question. Needless to say, the culture of a political actor on the hustings is certainly different from that of a soldier operating an armoured tank. If anything at all, now that Babangida has listed his “no-question-areas’, you can be sure more questions are going to be asked in those areas. Secondly, it is understandable why Babangida is even attempting some rules of engagement. All his moves point to the fact he is going to seek a party ticket for the presidential election contrary to the audacious prognosis of THISDAY editor, Simon Kolawole, who would rather say “calm down, Babangida will not run”. In doing so, Babangida should be ready for rhetorical battles with reporters and the public at large in the areas in which he would rather avoid discussion. Little surprise that he summoned his instinct as a general to think of some of rules of engagement. In a way, Babangida’s latest posture is quite reminiscent of his days as military Head of State. That was when his word was law. Just imagine a man who was so powerful that he dissolved the Armed Forces Ruling Council and ruled alone for some time before reconstituting the body. As a matter of fact, he actually decreed many things about his long-winded transition programme. In the making of a new constitution in 1988/1989, he introduced a political parlance: no go areas. By this he meant those issues of Nigerian polity that he regarded as “settled” and therefore there was no need to debate them. These included the unity of Nigeria as being “not negotiable”; the non-adoption of state religion or what some people interpreted to mean secularity; federalism as the option for organising Nigeria as a nation of diversity and the preference for presidential system of government. People complied with the directive because a military ruler made it. No elected President can successfully make such a rule today. Laws are now made by the National Assembly for everyone to obey. So the context is vastly different and even then the issues that Babangida ruled out of discussion were not strictly the ones that affected his political future personally. In any case, he didn’t need the people’s consent to assume power in the first place. So the question of the debate of some sensitive issues affecting his political fortune did not simply arise. Today, however, he is seeking power through democratic means. There cannot be sacred grounds in the interrogation of his past and the scrutiny of his present standing. And unlike the political issues he assumed were “settled” for the Nigerian state and nation way back in the late 1980s the issues with which his antagonists are bent on confronting him are far from being settled in the eyes of those on the opposite side of the political divide. It is said that time heals all wounds; somehow some of the wounds involved in this case appear to be as fresh as ever. In any case, Babangida seems to be unfair to himself by talking of some ‘no-question-areas’ at this time. The truth is that all this while questions have been persistent in those areas and he has been answering them in his own way. For instance, he has accepted responsibility for the annulment of the June 12 election while refusing to tender outright public apology for the trauma that the act caused the nation. In the days following the annulment in 1993 there were, of course, several reasons his administration gave for annulling the election. He has denied that the state under him killed Giwa. He has given explanations of how the $12 billion from the Gulf War windfall was spent. In one interview many years ago he actually said it was spent on Abuja, Ajaokuta and the Army. Since then there have been further explanations. He for zoning to the north the PDP ticket for the next year’s election. And the reason for his position in the debate is pretty obvious and legitimate. The problem, however, is that those opposed to Babangida remain unconvinced. Many critics still doubt his sincerity of purpose. And worse still, he seems to suffer from the fatigue of addressing the questions. As an aspirant to political office he cannot avoid questions especially the most unpleasant ones. At the risk of appearing to draw an undue historical parallel, one is often tempted to compare Babangida with Augusto Pinochet, the late maximum ruler of Chile. Pinochet’s road to power on September 11, 1973 was heavily stained with the blood of Salvador Allende, the elected socialist president whom he overthrew with the backing of the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Subsequently, not a few of his opponents “disappeared”. Pinochet was confronted with these and other issues of his regime to his grave. Outside Chile he was prone to citizen’s arrest. Yet, Pinochet was a political personality who polarised the nation significantly. Those opposed to him did so bitterly and irreconcilably and his supporters were equally a passionate lot. The Pinochet camp pointed to the gains of his monetarist economic policies. The Pension Reform in particular was often cited gleefully. Police used to stay in the middle of opposing rallies for and against Pinochet. This is probably where the comparison should end. In many ways, Pinochet was not in the mould of Babangida. For example, Pinochet’s supporters still defend his remarkable intervention in the Chilean political economy. What his administration did to the economy and social conditions of Chile is still a matter of debate. Babangida’s critics should be less subjective and interrogate his role in history so far in totality. His critics have to be wary of being liable to charges of demonising him. One way to avoid such an allegation, for instance, is to look at what his ruinous Structural Adjustment Programme (SAP) did to Nigeria’s economy with the inspiration of imperialism. The programme unleashed a catastrophe on the economy and society. It worsened mass poverty. It is debatable if the nation has recovered from it. However, unlike Pinochet whose policies are still being defended by his intellectual supporters including the economists of the Chicago School, some of the prominent defenders of SAP such Chief Olu Falae and Dr. Kalu Idika Kalu are no more in the same political boat with Babangida. If the current politics were to be issue-oriented the legacy of SAP should be eminently suitable for debate. Does Babangida have any fresh idea about the economy beyond the SAP recipes? That could have been a more productive way of dealing with the Babangida factor. For instance, a hypothetical question could asked: if Babangida had not annulled the June 12 election could the army of his opponents have overlooked the socio-economic devastation caused by SAP and supported his presidential aspiration? Annulment of election was an error of political judgement. Being convinced about the philosophy of SAP on the part of an aspirant has deep implications for poverty eradication. The Babangida’s aspiration is best dealt with within the context of politics of issues. Sadly, for now issues are not been debated. There are certainly problems with the manner in which some Babangida’s critics are posing the questions just as there are problems with his futile attempts to evade them. Meanwhile, what is not debatable is that in this game in which Babangida has indicated interest there are no areas in which questions are forbidden. It would be unhelpful for him to imagine that there will ever be ‘no-question-areas”. If he still wants to run he should just be prepared for more questions. http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=180461 |
truly:I don't get your point. Are those things you listed credible achievements for a 3 year govt stint? Vision 2020 and the 7 point agenda particularly, are a national joke. Because, they only stress the point that Yar Adua just did his bathing and tooth brushing at Aso Rock. Thats why he was called Baba Go Slow. Thank goodness Jonathan has signed this power grid into being, the more he does these things, the less we will hear from Yar Adua die hards. Lets talk about the grid, instead of derailing it with talk about Yar Adua who was only good at sleeping. |
Becomerich, we don't want you as our president. Go and be the president of your village in Benin Republic. |
truly:It is well known that Jonathan was kept as far away from power as was possible by Yar Adua and his kitchen cabinet, even to the point that the country was thrown into a very dangerous situation when Yar Adua became too ill to lead. His power had already been ceded to his coterie of sharks and vipers and they duly held the whole country to ransome. If the little list you put up were Yar Adua's achievements for 3 good years in power, you've just bolstered my point that he achieved nothing. His govt was a terrible waste of Nigeria's time and is better forgotten. |
Dis Guy:We are talking about a power grid that has 100% come out of Jonathans govt. Yar Adua planned nothing and did nothing, so there was nothing to measure him against, his govt was a cataclysmic failure. It really is almost impossible to point to any work done previously by Yar Adua's supremely lethargic govt. Jonathan has signed into being, a grid that by its very description in extremly robust, ultramodern and flexible. It will take the country quantum leaps from where we are today. Power supply is by far, one of Nigeria's biggest and most daunting issues. It will be part public, part private, the implication being that private owners will be able to feed their own current into the grid; that guarantees that it would be a synch to feed in power from alternative sources, mini and medium sized power stations. All sorts can be plugged in. As paddy_lo has said, our current infrastructure cannot even handle less than 4000 Mega watts without blowing a gasket; but here is a plausible plan that would make it straightforward to generate vast quantities of electricity from areas like the Niger Delta where there are abundant gas supplies and pipe it to all ends of the country without the system collapsing. |
[quote author=pres-elect link=topic=494993.msg6551597#msg6551597 date=1281491378]@ beaf the biggest joke in Nigeria today are the Nigerian people as a whole. Every leadership is a reflection of their constituency. Either they reflect the character of the general population or they exhibit the weakness/silly docility of the people when we rise to claim our nation, These leaders will bow to our will[/quote]You are right. I guess thats why the AC has a couple of states in the kitty even though it has changed name and fragmented practically every day of the year. The main problem with Nigerians is that tribalism has eaten too deep into our society; it is this same societal ill that political parties like the AC and factions of the PDP hope to use for ill gain. |
Anyways, back to topic. . . AC is the biggest joke of a party I know in the field today. Swear by one thing today, swear by the exact opposite tommorow. What a set of clowns! No wonder they only have two states. ![]() |
[quote author=pres-elect link=topic=494993.msg6551555#msg6551555 date=1281490488]Perhaps I could call it a combo of strength(idiagbon) and honesty( buhari & idiagbon) . Also it takes a lot of strength of character to carry out a coup d'tat. Either way you look at it, in that administration you see honesty and strength. But not much experience. Little wonder they almost challenged the UK to a military confrontation when a British plane was seized in retaliation for a similar action by the British.[/quote]It is unfortunate to say it, but Buhari played very little part in his own govt. All of the action came from Idiagbon. I cannot credit him with having run a govt. |
^ Of course Jonathan had to claim to be following the 7 point agenda, because it was exigent to do so at the time, to appease sectional forces until his foot was firmly in the door. We no longer hear govt reciting nebulous stuff like the 7 point agenda and vision 2020. As for claiming Yar Adua's "glory", thats got to be a joke. Yar Adua never had any such thing as glory, he didn't even have power; rather, it was his unelected wife and a gang of political jobbers running the show 100%. |
[quote author=pres-elect link=topic=494993.msg6551544#msg6551544 date=1281489774]Buhari is not far from my definition of honesty and strong character. I'm sure you will agree with me that prior to 1983, buhari had little to no experience in national leadership and yet, at least by your assessment, he or his administration achieved one or two things.[/quote]If anything, Idiagbon was the strong character. Buhari allowed his vice (and junior in military rank) run the show, which means he was either a figure-head or he is a weakling. |
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