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I have begun to come around to the conclusion that Jonathan knows exactly what he is doing.
Yar Adua's people seem to have brought him in to precipitate a crisis that would have made it seem that both men were foghting over the presidents seat and the ship of state was hopelessly lost at sea. . . [size=14pt]That is why there was such a powerful deployment of troops from Kaduna and Kebbi.[/size]
A coup was already in progress, Jonathan's 6th sense saved the day. Jonathan and all the service chiefs (aside from Danbazau), woke up in shock to see troops powerfully deployed across Abuja.

Turai + Ibori + cabal have already failed. but they are still looking for opportunities to forment trouble and precipitate a coup that will see them back in power. Lets give this thing a couple of weeks to play out. . .

The way Turai is going about this is like she brought juju home that nobody can see, but they must worship and fear.
Nonsense!

I am not surprised that the topic is carried by the Sun. It is a ridiculous topic carried by a sham newspaper.

Jonathan hasn't gaffed. The shorelines need to be bolstered first, only then can dredging can begin. We are educated people lets not fall for cheap propaganda.
Some are saying both can be done simultaneously. How?
How much sense does it make to start dredging (which will immediately begin washing away shorelines and destroying coastal ecologies) only to begin strengthening shorelines and ecologies after they have been washed away? It just doesn't make sense.

I too am tempted to put the weak label on Jonathan, except that when he took over from Alams in Bayelsa, he immediately uprooted any person, object or thought that had Alams written on it and went on to demand total and effective loyalty.
The above past actions lead me to suppose that there are things on the landscape he can see that the rest of us can't (not being in that position).

This saga still has possibly a couple of weeks to fully play out, then the cabal would come crashing down like a pack of cards. I hail Jonathans level headed and intelligent approach. He seems to be incredibly smart.

Segun Adeniyi has clarified on NTA news that Jonathan was sent only one medical report (sent on Friday), so maybe Jonathan can share the secret with us.

Fhemmmy:
If he is dead, they would have no choice but to bury him str8 up, remember the islamic faith?

I really doubt that his minders are following any faith (apart from corruption). The man (if he is still alive) has been a victim since he became president.

Fhemmmy:
If he was watching, how would u know?

Somebody will be excited enough to take his picture and broadcast it.

Why hasn't he addressed the nation, sinse he could "sign" the budget?
Why hasn't he called BBC again to say he has arrived?
Why isn't he playing squash?
Why isn't he watching soccer?
Why isn't he standing up, eating and walking?
Why is he so quiet?

I believe yar Adua meant well, but was never healthy enough to rule the country and his govt was hijacked very early on by the winsh Turai and her flock of vultures. However, it is critical that the nation knows the true state of Yar Adua's health, if he is dead or alive whilst we continue to pray for him.

babapupa:
I suggest you give him more money, I guarantee you he'll do more. We have budgets for a reason. You can not spend more than what you have, we all have limitations so kindly curb that. Fashola himself never stopped saying more wok need to be done and all objective and reasonable people knows that so you are not saying anything new or what we don't know.

It's even comical talking about Lagos and delta in the same breath. Lagos is like a country while delta looks like a village. Lagos is the largest employer and maintainer of civilian manpower in Nigeria after the federal government. How many states and governors is managing the affairs of 18 million people? I really wonder why you're questioning for questioning your credibility.

About efcc, yes I did and I'm standing by my statement.

You spend most of your day talking stup!dly. Did your mother breastfeed you?
No part of Nigeria is anything to write home about, a'rsewipe.

becomricch:
Beaf, we would be written the president of the USA and other world leader of our people desire to leave to resolve the issue without a darfur. . Look there can not be two president. Since we have two president. We can also have two nation. Look there can not be two president.

So Obama will send the luxurious buses to carry us to Benin Republic?
Heaven is coming!!!!!

becomricch:
Beaf , you can see how much support and how many people are behind me, there are many who did not attend. We are not silly.

True, other people would have been needed to carry chairs too.

[quote author=OYB_MEND link=topic=404749.msg5590272#msg5590272 date=1267192845]another addition to their long list of dishonest diplomacy towards Nigeria? where have they been all this while?

Thank God for the Americans, they decided that its time to have a totally different Foreign Policy towards Nigeria. They may have reasoned that their interest is not necessarily threatened if there is justice in Nigeria.

But Britain up till now continued to maintain their colonial era thinking towards Nigeria. 'Ensure power remains in the hands of those they have historically controlled at all cost and then use them to control the rest of the country'.

Shame on their imperialist diplomacy. It is simply outdated.[/quote]You got that so right!
I believe, young Mutallab awakened the US. While they were busy doing their best to help us attain stability, the UK was taking fake phone calls through the BBC. Now that Yar Adua is with us, has he been able to speak with a single soul? Talkless of picking up the phone?

Others included former governor of Ondo State, Chief Segun Agagu; Chief Tiwalade Sobo; Chief G.O.K. Ajayi; [size=14pt]General Oladipo Diya[/size]; Alhaji Majekodunmi Aborode; Oyo State Commissioner for Environment and Water Resources, Dr. Lasisi Balogun; Chief Akin Omojola; Chairman, Afenifere (Ondo State chapter); Dr. Kunle Olajide, former Secretary, Yoruba Council of Elders (YCE).

Damn! That dude has no business representing anybody.

Who was serving the drinks? Was it you?

Fhemmmy:
Are you babapupa?

I won't be surprised!

mimiiii:
silly man ,he is frm the creek ,under ijaw water, pshewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww,

He is likely more educated than you and his "creek ,under ijaw water" are what feed you.

[quote author=na_so]Or are you simply suggesting formal regional armies as an extention of your fiscal federalism call?[/quote]Abeg no vex say I tink say you be Yoruba man.
Your last sentence is more along the lines of my thinking, though not quite. It's why I suggested a "specialist force that is suited to a swamp environment and securing of our oil installations".

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=404285.msg5590457#msg5590457 date=1267195058]Some years ago when he was the Chief of Army Staff General Victor Malu opposed the presence of American military in Nigeria. This earned him the fury of the then Commander-in-Chief, and Malu was consequently retired. Shortly thereafter, the Americans renewed their moves to set up their African Command (AFRICOM) in Nigeria, but the Council of State rejected this.

Would you support the placement of Africom's headquarters or a millitary base in, say Port-Harcourt?[/quote]Why would a sovereign country at peace want foreign troops on their land? It is totally wrong.
It is not impossible that a breakaway South South could consider such, because they would ally very strongly with the US and would need to be bolstered against aggression from Nigeria.

It can work, but not for urgent jobs; PHCN and communications go kill am.

Veritas09:
All this talk of secession presupposes that these regions are sustainable as independent economic entities, when the reality is, these regions would be worse off. Nigeria is wealthy -- what remains is to find a leader that lets all Nigerians share in that wealth.

Are you saying the region that sustains the whole country isn't economically viable?

mikeansy:
Most of Nigeria's Uranium deposits are in the North

Remember Nuclear Energy is the future of Energy Industry.

The Northerners will not necessarily starve if we are all to manage our own resources. They are just being short-sighted.

They are in Cross River and Benue I think, not the core North. However, they have abundant solid mineral resources.

At some point, all Southerners will realise that it falls on us to help the North, there should be no plan to leave them high and dry.
The North needs education, information, jobs and not to be reliant on BBC Hausa Service.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=404285.msg5590293#msg5590293 date=1267193167]You've pointed out the reasons why secession by south south will be counter productive as it will invite outsiders to secure the oil resources. This is the reason why I am saying that your leaders are politically naive, the threat of secession is not your interest and serves no useful purpose. It is time to lay down your weapons, completely disavow terrorism, oil bunkering, and other criminal activities, and turn your movement into a political force. You people have the best opportunity in 50 years for being heard.

ALL Nigerians sympathise with you people, we understand how unfairly you've been treated. Jonathan only last week, released N5billion for immediate clean up of the shorelines - this is a great sign. You people should call your millitants to order at this point, its time for a political solution.[/quote]Sorry, but do you think for one minute that outsiders are not better than our soldiers who have so far, completely wiped out 50 of our communities in a couple of decades? Gbaramatu cost 2,500 lives and countless women and girls rap'ed, same as Odi, why are foreigners who respect the Geneva Convention (even if na lip service) not a better prospect? It will be like North and South Korea, the US will have a powerful ally in the South.
20,000 marines are a better prospect than the Nigerian army anyday.

We can only hope that the FG gives this matter the desired consideration, nobody wants strife.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=404629.msg5590247#msg5590247 date=1267192494]Simplistic indeed. What Beaf should be suggesting is how to turn their "barawos freedom fighters" into a political force. If they cannot do that, they are wasting their precious time. Its time to lay down the arms, disavow terrorism of all kinds! Jonathan is in charge - take advantage of that.[/quote]The man that suggested it was too simplistic, but he would go and check the meaning of "vast gold resources" is yet to return. It is likely he has taken a detour to empower OPC to fight for their rights too.
What is simplistic, is expecting armed men to lay down their arms for a monthly stipend, the nation is better served employing them in the area of their expertise.
Like it or not, the so called amnesty is a sham (it has helped rid us off criminals who have become fake militants overnight); the true MEND fighters need to bolster our armies capabilities.

PS: Jonathan is Nigeria's leader, not an ND leader.

@ndu_chucks

Forget about ND leaders, we don't listen to the likes of criminals like Ibori you mentioned. The list supplied in the OP is not a list of politicians and jobbers.

Admitedly, secession is the very last course of action (nevertheless, the will is there should push come to shove), there are better ways in the meantime.

You are right in considering foreign interests in keeping Nigeria one; there are no Nigerian factors (aside from a large market, sentiment and disruption) that serve to keep us together. It is for that reason that the US plans for any instability have set aside 20,000 marines to secure oil resources, after which the rest of the country (especially the North) will prostrate to the new master, because they have no other source of income.
The Chinese cannot yet project military force beyond their borders, so forget about them for the next ten years at least (even then, they will still not be able to match US resources).

The North cannot subdue anybody. Keep dreaming and sipping dangerous kunu.

FACE:
Ndu_Chuks, yaya dei ? N na gesua.

Beaf, how now ? I just dey pass and I say make troway salute for una.

Edoyad, interesting questions . Alhaji Ndu, over to you.

Thank you my broda. I deh here deh represent, how your side?

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I didn't ascribe those qualities to Jonathan as my personal opinion (which is one of "wait and see"). Rather, there are several Western articles that do that, and  quite a few are totally gushing with praise for his "rare" attributes. The foreign perception is rapidly crystalising as one of the good guy against evil. It is also reflecting in diplomatic attitudes.

Abeg, lets discuss Zainab, Nafisatu and Turai.

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One thing I don't like is to go on and on about nothing.

I was totally unimpressed and taken aback with this highly sarcastic post you made at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-404529.0.html#msg5589420
It was packed with demeaning assumptions and conclusions.
After being hinted that I wasn't the "staunchest supporter" of Jonathan whose "loyal support for Jonathan" is to be commended (in your words), there wasn't the least apology or retraction.

Listen, I'm really not interested in this to and fro. I don't feel comfortable with all this personal stuff, its not mature, lets move on. The thread has been abandoned which isn't fair to others.

chidyke77:
wat did u mean by that? Am talking about d SS(niger deltans) nt southern nigeria.
The SS does'nt hv d morale to face d north wtout d SE supporting them bt its already late cos we SE cn neva accept those offer even on a plater of gold. We wl remain one Nigeria for nw,no one breaking away.

Who do you recognise as the "Niger Deltans"?

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You started the rudeness thing and I responded. You have said enough dishonest things about me on the page alone.
So rudeness is painful? I am shocked.

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Even a minimally smart person wouldn't be singing David Marks praises to high heaven. Na wa.

Rubbish!!!

What is http://chidioparareports..com ? Someones personal blog, it isn't even a news outlet. Rumour mongers.