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SEFAGO:
Abeg go away, i dont try and be grammatically correct  online anyways I was complaining about your word choice and passive sentence. With all the pidgin I use how can I be judged. Word choice is your problem, I don't check the mechanics of what people type online that is the job of your brother mekusxxx. Grammar doesn't cloud meaning as much as using the wrong word.

hmm major problems here ,  I you suggesting a regional state would be more efficient and less corrupt because all the people are supposedly the "same."

Anyways I partially see your point, in the context of most african nations this would historically not work at all. What exactly is characteristic of the Nigerian system which makes it corrupt that would be lost in a new state? Dont forget corruption is characteristic of all parts of Nigeria though agreed some do it more than others.

You seem to be arguing that we should divide into little pieces, and things would of course work out. The new states would a;; adjust and finally meet an equilibrium.

If all power (and by extension corruption) is not located in Abuja, corruption will cease to be a Nigerian problem.
More important is the fact that the system we practice was built to further corruption, based on constitutions by IBB and Abacha for their life presidencies. It was built to shovel oil money into private pockets ($60 billion annually), the rest of us are just fo.ols the machine runs off.

No succesful African (or other) country is built like Nigeria. Continuing down the present path will lead to war and catastrophe.

Jaybee2412:
Where is the government?

In Saudi .

kosovo:
Political Developments
Nigeria is a federal republic composed of 36 states; its political structure is Similar to that of the United States. The country has a bicameral legislature with a 109-member Senate and a 360-member House of Representatives.  Its president, legislators, and governors are elected on four year terms. Nigeria’s most recent elections were held on April 14 and 21, 2007.

  Many, including the U.S. State Department, maintain that the country is still in political transition, and Human
Rights Watch contends that “Nigeria has not held a free and fair general election
since the end of military rule. Nigeria was ruled by the military for approximately 28 of its 47 years after independence, and much of its political history has been dominated by a contest for power between north and the south. Northern military leaders dominated Nigerian politics until 1999, when the country made the transition to democracy.  Today, the Hausa remain dominant in the military and the federal government, but have lost significant power in many state governments.  Since the election of President Obasanjo in 1999, there has been a de-facto power sharing arrangement between the north and the south.  The main presidential contenders in the April 2007 election were northerners, and with the retirement of former President Obasanjo, the office has been transferred to a former northern governor for the current presidential term.

  Tension between the north and the south over perceived inequities in economic and educational development has the potential to lead to widespread political instability. Nigeria’s 2006 census has drawn controversy over its representation of the regional breakdown of the population, reportedly concluding that 53.4% of the population lives in the north.  This could affect the country’s complex system for distributing oil revenues, which are derived from oil reserves in Southern Nigeria. Resentment between the northern and southern regions of the country has led to considerable unrest in the past.  According to the International Crisis Group, an estimated 8,000 Nigerians were killed in sectarian clashes between 1999 and 200

It is not similar to the US in any way. We run a unitary system, the US operates true fedralism.
The unitary system we run is at the heart of every single one of Nigeria's issues.

SEFAGO:
Sadly i cannot. What you guys call evidence is typically a write up by someone usually a news paper which cannot even be verified or some website. That evidence is really no way different from mine.  Usually the foreign oil companies can only act the way they do with 100% compliance of the Nigerian government + leader in the ND. I mentioned tax department so you would have figured out this isn't a far fetched story because bribing ND chiefs usually have to be accounted for in the tax returns of Corporate companies . Mine seems plausible this was some American girl who did not know anything about Nigeria and was assuming I would be as rich as the ND chief she met.

The current Nigerian system allows this.
With 100% resource control would any chief be bribed for oil in land that isn't his? There are simple and obvious solutions to our problems.

SEFAGO:
Ok problems worth fiscal federalism and resource control

1. Corruption- Uptill today the RDS and Chevron Texaco bribes the leader of people from the Niger Delta before they can operate. This not speculation. I met this girl whose mother works for the tax department in RDS who was telling me that she met a Niger delta chief or whatever who was boasting about his numerous houses and that his children were in Switzerland, spain, france- my mouth was just opening in shock . Now imagine if these people are allowed resource control

With true federalism, that wouldn't be Nigeria's issue. It would be for the people in the ND to deal with and a pointer as to how vigorously they will do this can be seen in their pursuit of Ibori (flouted by the FG) http://saharareporters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4575:fighting-corruption-with-hometown-outrage&catid=81:external-contrib&Itemid=300

It will be, everybody, worry about your own section.

SEFAGO:
2. The only major resource available in Nigeria is oil. Other areas have nothing to offer, so how will they grow? The so-called growth of the South-west and the South-east all depends in some part from oil. All the banks in Nigeria are in one way indirectly dependent on oil. Oil drives industry in Nigeria. The South East produces nada, neither does the south west. However the majority of the professionals come from a particular region, moreso than the region which produces oil  Its really a long winded argument, but the short of it is that in a way Nigeria is a bit more effective as a country than a loose group of states all because of trickle down economics.

Should I be sincere?- I have a feeling the people calling for resource control are people from the south-south and this is not pointing fingers, its just common sense

Basically Nigeria is a resource driven economy, and so resource control is really a bit slefish

The treaties for our existence could include giving loans to other sections for their development. Yes, I agree the argument is long winded .

[size=14pt]Nigerian police clash with members of Islamic sect[/size]
Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:23pm GMT 

(Reuters) - Nigerian security forces clashed with members of an Islamic sect in the northern city of Bauchi on Monday, police said.
Residents said as many as eight people were believed to have been killed, including two soldiers, in fighting between members of an Islamic sect armed with machetes and the security forces in a low-cost housing area on the outskirts of the city.

Police declined to comment on any casualties.

"It was a minor misunderstanding between a religious sect and the public, but the situation has now been brought under control, normalcy has returned to the town," national police spokesman Emmanuel Ojukwu said.

There have been periodic bouts of religious violence in recent years in Nigeria, roughly divided into a predominantly Muslim north and Christian south, but the unrest has generally been motivated by rivalry over resources or local politics.

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE5BR0BZ20091228

"armed with machetes"
Cutlass! . . .To fight the army! Is anybody saying these are not potential suicide bombers?
This is what happens when you allow Sharia, religion puts on a bigger than life toga.

SEFAGO:
Usually before one acts, they have to carefully consider the effects of their actions. Be aware of the consequences before you strike. Hence conjecture is required before an action can be made especially one about confederations. moreover when that conjecture is based on how really Nigeria is then it is not that far from the truth. If the Yorubas and the Hausa were the enemies of the ibos in Nigeria, then the ibos would later find new enemies amongst themselves. Pseudo-ethnic relations would arise. Divisions after division where does it end?.

I think though the idea of a written treaty or agreement between ethnic groups in Nigeria is required and of utmost importance.

If any region finds problems within itself, the beauty is that it would be strictly their problem, not a Nigerian thing. Indeed, the fact that any region is falling behind others or is outrightly backward will be a spur for them to do better.
I think the issue most of us have, is we might not be able to imagine life without a powerful and corrupt Abuja, dictating life and sharing money to the rest of us.

[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=372507.msg5201863#msg5201863 date=1262015733]I ask you again, What of all those criminals from poor background who terrorize hard working people everyday?. Why didn't their poor background put their eyes to the 'ground' as you put it?.[/quote]I don't know what you are going on about.
I didn't say anything about "poor background". I said his parents didn't bring him up well. They failed.

SEFAGO:
I doubt this would be really different. None of what u mentioned is a type of government perse so I would extract your thesis as fiscal federalism

meaning everystate should be responsible for their economy like the pre-1970s United States, basically a United State of Nigeria or somethin like that?

Seems a good idea in theory, but i doubt its pragmatism

Why? How can you doubt whithout reason?

Katsumoto:
Loose confederation is only a pre-cursor to eventual disintegration and/or even war. I say that because Nigerians who have like to oppress those who do not. Rich powerful regions will start oppressing others. Also, power struggles will be the order of the day within the regions, similar to what we have in Anambra (no offense meant). I still think the problem lies with Nigerians; it is a question of mind-set. If we change our selfish mind-set, we will make progress.

All of the above is 100% conjecture. We are better off acknowledging that we are as different as oil and water and dealing with it. The way to deal with it is to consult with Nigerians based on ethnicity and regional alliances. We need treaties on how we agree to exist with one another, anything else is postponing doomsday.

[quote author=Aloy~Emeka link=topic=372507.msg5201737#msg5201737 date=1262014835]A lot of kids in Nigeria from rich homes live in houses more expensive than that. Did that make them turn into a monster?. There are also kids who come from wretched homes yet they terrorize fellow students at the university in the name of secret cult. What then is responsible for such behavior?[/quote]If you note, he was living in London away from his family. A little grounding about lifes issues would have helped, instead of isolating the criminal from reality. No child is born evil (except they have mental problems).

Living in a rented room and working in Burger King would have put that boys eyes on the ground.

Instead of them to base JTF in the North, their brothers who have impoverished them are busy fighting for oil money while the building blocks for terrorism are being cast. Talk of a country with misplaced priorities.

Imagine an 18 year old (his age when he started the engineering course at UCL) living in a $4 million flat! What would his understanding of life be?

kosovo:
Thread Locked!

Please stop locking threads for no reason .

SEFAGO:
So the most important thing on the list is how many southerners dey?

So you want the "Nigerian" population to be given survey form by Lord Lugard to mark:

Only slaves don't expect to be consulted in issues that affect the wellbeing of themselves and their families.

Yar Adua cannot sign anything. Who are they fooling?

SEFAGO:
Can you give one sensible reason why Nigeria should be divided? I hope you are intelligent enough not to suggest silly things. The only reason I would support a secession from Nigeria of any kind is a proven case of genocide or possibility of an economically viable state. You cannot just allow countries start breaking because some tom, manliness and harry are not happy.

Every country has their problems and if they all dealt with it by breaking up, then there would be a million countries. Moreover, there would not even be countries like the United States.

I knew you wouldn't be able to answer my questions.
I'll answer yours. The most obvious reason is that the Nigerian population was not consulted before the country was created. The example you gave of the US couldn't be farther away from ours, that country's existence is based on treaty after treaty. What is ours based on aside from British interests and sentiment?

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The fact that he had to report his son to strangers and foreigners is the biggest display of parental fu ck up.
This is a father who could not talk to his son, talkless of convince him about his evil beliefs (that he failed to notice over the years).

Maybe he was too busy making money to be there for his son.

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Ask yourself the simple question; can a child be born evil?
The honest answer to that question will see you blaming his upbringing. Add to that the lack of remorse from the family for the attempted bombing. . . 2 +2 = 4

SEFAGO:
Bull, as much I don't like the alai ni kan se moderator, this was taken out of context. Someone insulted Islam, and the moderator was showing that violence is not just unique to Islam but also Christianity.

See these propagandist. NL has been infiltrated by secessionist and treasonous bas.ta.rds

I hope you know treason is a crime with extreme punishments? Positing seditious positions is a crime against the state.

Calm down!
Do you think we are under a dictatorial military regime? If anybody feels the solution to Nigeria's problems is secession, let them air it. Abi you no want solution?
If something isn't working, why keep it?

Can you honestly give one simple reason why Nigeria must be kept together (aside from blind "patriotism" or sentiment)? Where is our "president" (PDP's Northern rotation president)?

They brought up a useless child.

Now that the useless child has shown his dangerous upbringing to the World, the family have not come out to condemn his actions outright. There is no hint of remorse in that statement.
Their useless son was going to take 280+ souls on the plane with himself and countless others on the ground (his timing was to maximise the probability of the planing crashing into built up areas).

So far, the boy is not known to have any terrorist links in London. So how did he get such a direct link to Al-Qaeda in Yemen? Was it through family? Is it that he stumbled into a "trade" meant for the less fortunate?
The family, their religious bank, their extended circle of friends and acquaintances should be probed for any extemist affiliations or sponsorship.

. . .But how can such a young man blow off the ba lls God gave him to use during holidays like this? 

What went wrong with your holiday?

Will be waiting for your new pics (I'm 100% about whose legs I'm talking about). . . But yay! Let me rest my head, all those goats and cows I've been buying. . .

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Mexican maffia (reloaded).

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=372380.msg5197890#msg5197890 date=1261964189]such preemptive actions are prudent. dat no mean say, de reprisal attacks dey imminent.   I go deal with you MEND terrorists further later, make I go sleep first.[/quote]Go and sleep jare, your hands are too full with Boko Haram to worry about MEND.

Correction. . .

[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=372380.msg5197870#msg5197870 date=1261963914]TRANSLATION;

MEND one of the OTHER GROUPS OF CONCERN have not been designated as Foreign Terrorist Organizations under 8 USC Section 1189, but [size=14pt]might or might not[/size] have been designated under other U.S. Government counterterrorism authorities.

WOW, WHAT A GENEROUS CONSOLATION PRICE [/quote]Large text insertion mine.

As far as we know, they have not been.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=372380.msg5197855#msg5197855 date=1261963705]dat site na another biafra propaganda machine.  besides, see de first paragraph of the article, note de bolded portion.[/quote]This is what you should look for in that article.

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Meanwhile, the Police, through the instrumentality of the Operation Flush II, have embarked on a "stop and check" exercise on strategic points in the metropolis, as well as four major roads leading into Maiduguri, the state capital with a view to averting any reprisal attack.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=372380.msg5197842#msg5197842 date=1261963482]una days are numbered inside de creeks, by una, I mean de terrorists and criminals wey dey abuse and lead young boys astray and parading themselves as MEND.  una go dance to a different tune as soon as Africom move their headquarters to Sapele or PH.[/quote]That day, Nigeria will divide at Lokoja.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=372380.msg5197793#msg5197793 date=1261962765]Merry Christmas and Happy New Islamic Year to you too.

you people and MEND will not be laughing when Africom pursue una and other terrorists enter deep inside creek and weed una out. make una no mess with Africom and no even try compare dem to JTF.  Initially, nothing dey wrong with friends such as Africom, helping us and teaching us how to perfect de operations of these amphibian vehicles.

all de MEND terrorists will be cleaned out of de creeks. una don carry terrorist act enter USA and una no expect say repercusions go dey ko?  Before una begin blame North, make I remind una say una number one terrorist chief inside MEND be Alhaji Mujahid Dokubo Asari. for now him dey behave, others need to learn.[/quote]Seriously ndu_chucks you're joking right? I find this really funny.
By the way, I'm wondering if you have seen this? BOKO HARAM: Police dispels reprisal attacks

becomerich: . . .
For canada , we have the RCMP Royal canadian police. . .

See pictures, they were different uniform

Royal canadian police

Sprreakking Enggrrissshhh!
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