₦airaland Forum

babapupa:
Not necessarily, nations break away/are formed these days without firing a single bullet or going to war. This is just gonna speed things up.

I Know odua folks are ready to roll, they've been updating their future constitution and other nation building stuff like the police, judiciary, civil service, internal affairs, passports, bother control and protection.

No big deal.

babapupa:
Sounds like they are telling the military (another hausa) to take over and hand over power back to another hausa civilian years later before things get out of hand.

ziga:
I am not saying we shouldn't complain to push our government up on its feet. We have to, but we ought to do it constructively, and not just complaining for the sake of it (nagging).

Light up Nigeria started from a complaint and went beyond that to a pressure group.

What i understand from ROSSIKE's posts is that there are ways in which we can get the Government to listen to us that are better than just calling names and distributing blames.

We need to do more that just complain - we need to roll up our sleeves.

ziga:
Governments never give anything for free. They take from the people and redistribute (organize things).

Unfortunately, we dont have that in Nigeria. Hopefully we will get there because even great nations like America have had lots of issues in their past.

What we need is people to lead pressure groups, organize them and channel them for different purposes.

NOSSIKE's $2000 solar experiment was just an example. So people should stop quoting that and listen to what the guy is really saying.

I'm sure you can come up with even better ways to improve Nigeria than the things he said.

ROSSIKE:
@ beaf, I did mention something about ''targetted criticism'' in an earlier post. You must've missed it.

I wouldn't term  the usual NL insultfests ''targetted criticism'', but rather an utterly misdirected expenditure of energy which fails woefully to hit the target.

AfroCynic:
How did you relate my comment to carbon and oxygen?

ROSSIKE:
Beaf said:


The point is not that the NGO will build roads etc, You form a pressure group, or non-governmental organisation, in conjunction with like-minded individuals, to push for the reforms you seek, through a variety of methods. The more people who take up your fight, the more pressure is applied on the govt to resolve those pressing issues.

It's a no-brainer really. And I suspect the reason you would frown on this suggestion is that you really don't care THAT much, but find complaining on the web to be a form of therapy to ease your frustrations and little more. Surely you don't think Yaradua comes to NL to read your insults?

I take it you attended a university or some higher educational institute. Well your education was meant to equip you with problem solving abilities, and not necessarily to work as an employee in your chosen discipline.

Why not put your education to good use for the betterment of your country, rather than thinking always about what's in it for you?

ROSSIKE:
akinalabi said:

You are confusing issues.

The point is not to let off the govt and absolve them of responsibility. The point is to channel your frustration efficiently, and  in  a fruitful manner, of which coming on the internet to dismiss the country as 'useless', 'hopeless', etc simply does not count.

If you CARE, then DO SOMETHING to prove it. Start a pressure group. Start an NGO focusing on your area of interest and push your agenda. A lot of these things cost little more than your time.

Coming on NL to insult govt officials and demoralise everybody is NOT an option. It's been going on for years, and it does nothing except allow some folks to let off steam while passing the buck to ''govt'', as if the ''govt'' did not come from within our own communities.

The govt's conduct is simply a reflection of our own individual and collective mindset.


Back in the 1910s and 1920s, most people in the UK lived hand-to-mouth, with some sleeping 10 to a room, and filth the very definition of urbanism.

What happened? The people - some of modest means, joined up and formed Charities, which helped to lift up the most disadvantaged in society, via job training, provision of homeless shelters, even free food or 'soup kitchens' for the poor. They did all this for free. They charged not a penny to anyone who used their services.

Those private charities are still around even today in the UK, in their hundreds, despite the fact that govt is now living up to its reponsibilities.

So it all starts from the mindset of the individuals of the country. If they cannot show interest and care as private citizens, they will struggle to do so as public officials.

A nation gets the govt it deserves.

sjeezy8:
Wrong fisherman. You invest in Nigeria making sure you use British and USA banks based in Nigeria Duh.

step out of the creeks of the delta for a chance punk

ROSSIKE:
Guys, many thanks for your contributions, and may I ask those who reacted harshly to the post to exercise some restraint. We all want what's best for our country.



TCrack said:


Thank you. Y'see this is the sort of pro-active approach we find too often missing in our communities. Someone said something about young entrepreneurs not being able to access loans. In a pro-active population many would see that as an opportunity rather than an impediment. Relatively well-to-do individuals in Nigeria and the diaspora could make a killing in that situation simply by pooling resources and establishing private loan companies, set up their qualification criteria, and issue carefully monitored loans to individuals with viable business ideas. Many of the diasporans who specialize in criticising Nigeria can actually make themselves useful in more ways than they can imagine, and also do well for themselves in the process.

But when most everyone is carrying around this attitude of ''Nigeria is hopeless'', then everyone sits on their bum, waiting for government to do this, and waiting for government to do that, and getting ''angry'' and despondent at what they perceive to be govt failures.

Tell me, did you come into this world to depend on government or Yar'Adua, or other people to make a life for yourself? Or you think when you leave this world and are called to account for your actions in the great beyond, that the almighty will listen to you when you complain about Yar'Adua?

Think again!

God could easily have placed you by birth, in Switzerland or Dubai. But you were put here for a reason. I can tell you quite clearly that that reason is to do with what YOU can do to IMPROVE the living conditions of yourself and those around you, even in trying circumstances.

What we call life on earth is really just a TEST.

Continued anger, despondency, and negativity means YOU are FAILING that test.

A pro-active, positive, can-do spirit, in the face of all odds, means you are PASSING the test.

I doubt I had up to N2,000 when I started as a computer technician, fixing peoples' computers, after borrowing a friend's manual, even though I read economics at uni and couldn't get a paid job commensurate with my qualifications. The biz blossomed, and today I'm into all sorts of business at home and abroad, simply because I refused to let ''govt'' dictate the limits of what I could achieve, by their actions or inactions. I refused to sit at home with the degree, jobless and blaming govt for not providing an ''enabling environment'' for me to succeed.


Adigun said:

Absolutely 100% correct on that. I prefer to see the glass as half full than half empty.

As for complaints, I would prefer to see targetted complaints similar to the Light Up Nigeria demonstrations, and real activism by those with a true interest in calling the govt to account, as opposed to all this unbridled pessimism.

I just got off the phone with my cousin who lives in Jos. I called him to inform him of a site he could visit on the web, to learn the production of simple, home-made wind turbines that can be used to generate electricity, for next to nothing. He can learn it and offer to set it up for others etc for a fee. A cheap affordable system may not power the fridge and hi fi etc, but it sure as hell will light up the house and power your pc!!

Bad roads? If I didn't have enough on my plate already, I would have set up a company, dedicated to fixing pot holed streets. I would sign up the residents for a token fee, and also charge the local govt!! They'd pay cos it would probably work out cheaper since there's no long line of 'middlemen' to settle!

If everyone - especially those with the wherewithal - had this attitude, there would be no looking back for the country!

SapeleGuy:
You are right, he can get more leverage by continually implying Soludo's achievement was tarnished by corruption. But what is Sanusi's legacy going to be?

joxiri:
if you really want to go all out just get him starch, it would obviously be too hard to make it on your own but am sure some food joints sell it here i think mama calabar do not too sure though
but I am sure starch would put a smile on his face

blackmann:
That's where budgeting and planning comes into play bro. the IT firm i worked with when i was in lagos some years back literarily ran on big generators, cos NEPA can never be relied on, and they were still providing services to its clients. Like i said, it will have to be part of ones budget and expenses till the situation of the power stabilizes(if it ever will).

And if u read my post well, it will explain your second question too.

blackmann:
Honestly, going thru all the posts(or the few i was able to go thru), i can see that there are some pple who have high visions about the country, while others are just plain losers. Fine, the country's economy is literarily in shambles, and from the last call i got from my former roommate back home, he told me everything is at a stand still and nothing seems to be working out jobwise.

To me, if we actually look at it, Nigeria is not a bad place to go to if u want to start up something of your own. its pple like us who are in the diaspora who can actually turn things around and make things at least manageable for the common man. I am studying for my masters degree in computer information technology, and with the vast experience and stuff i'm getting and learning here(more practical approach to things, more hands on training), and coupled with my hopes of getting another masters in business administration(majoring in info-tech management), i hope to come back home and set-up an IT firm with some of my friends. ideas like that will help out to move the economy forward, if only pple in the diaspora stop whining about the bad state of the country and come back home to do things about it. it will not be day's job, but form wat i've observed, that seems to be the way forward for nigeria and nigerians.

sjeezy8:
what madness didn't i say

oduduwa related in a country for oduduwa sub groups

Like i said i dont need to be educated cause i dont know of isoko igala or igbo language and i sure as hell dont plan on learning it.

No that im a tribalist i just dont give a shit

udezue:
Sjeezy,
if you so don't give a Zap then why join your cousin becomerich in his madness? Btwn both of u I don't know who needs mental help more.

udezue:
Beaf,
Please educate that ignorant OAF Sjeezy. The fool knows nothing pass Ore but thinks he can dictate where non-Yoruba people should be. Who the Zap is Oduduwa? I get tired of stupid a$$ discussions and lies about some freaking Oduduwa giving birth to millions of Yoruba, Isoko, Urhobo, Bini, and Itsekiri. Seriously one man did this So who was his wife then? Shiit is stupid. Its like believing that Adam and Eve gave birth to all of us. Enough of the folk tales told by toothless old hags in the village jare. No body knows exactly how we came to be who we are. Bini, Urhobo, Igbo, Ijo, Yoruba are all distinct nations whether related somehow and can be on their own or join to form nations on equal arrangement.

Becomerich you can survive without oil so quit telling us Edo, Bayelsa, Delta are Oduduwa. Oduduwa na Yoruba stuff. Igbo of Edo and Delta couldn't be Yoruba. Ijo, Urhobo are not. Quit overstepping your boundary. Maybe try negotiate with Bini and Itsekiri (now Itsekiri na Yoruba subgroup. My cousin is part Itsekiri.

sjeezy8:
lol whos tribalstic i dont know any damn isoko so i can careless you dont matter nikku lmfao

and i never said anything against isoko CAUSE I DONT KNOW ANY DAMN ONES lol

maxsiollun:
. . .The governor, who was visibly taken aback by the reaction of the audience, said: "I am the CBN governor, people should believe me and show some respect". . .

sjeezy8:
He added people who are descendants of oduduwa cause its not only about yorubas, itsekeri, bini related urhobo, esan, as well. The rest of the are also related groups except for ijaws and igbo. Which i dont agree he should had but delta states and bayelsa still have oduduwa related ethnic groups and most likely if given the choice  they wouldnt stay in a country with the north majority and igbos second. (cause the north wont let Rivers state, awka ibom go)

so he makes valid point - ondo is a yoruba state and ALL its properties included. but if the rest wont follow benin republic or oduduwa republic, they can just stay in Nigeria with the north, wetin concern oduduwa related tribes?

hollandis:
Read his first post and stop being cynical