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Unlike a lot of "christians" that have warned about too much knowledge and vomited rubish about impending doom on those that have touched the Lords "annointed", I see something vile and Luciferian in the story told by the items and pictures below.

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[li]Caroline Johnson a.k.a. Uju a member of RCCG needs $50, 000 to save her life. Pastor Adeboye is nowhere to be found.[/li]
[li]Pastor Adeboye buys multi-million dollar jet plane.[/li]
[li]Pastor Adeboye launches "millionaires" club.[/li]
[li]Pastor Adeboye hobnubs with politicians (some goons will now point out how Jesus hobnubed with Pontius Pilate. . . Na so!)[/li]
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We de look una. One day is one day sha. I really don't want to believe that religion is for the weaker mind.

muhsin:
You are grossly naive, dude.

Your words are too fallacious, or even fraudulent to some extent.

Anyway, what can you say about countries like UAE, Kuwait, SA, Indonisia, etc? Are they also failed states because they are Muslims' nations?

Hmm. C'mon. . .don't be stupid, man!

The problem is not with Islam. Afterall, huge swathes of the SW is Muslim. The real problem is Northern despise of education.

UAE, Kuwait, SA, Indonisia that you've mentioned all place a high premium on education. A can of worms has really been opened up North and we are currently witnessing the destructive force that ignorance (through illiteracy) can become.
Boko Haram is the greatest example. The fact that in their simple mindedness, they could attack the army and police with sticks, stones, catapults and dane guns would have been thoroughly laughable; if only it didn't point to something more sinister; the possibility of suicide bombers.

This is a thread for fools. Most of you guys can go and hail Boko Haram.

kokoA:
From your name, your are the biggest fool in here. Beaf abi na "beef"

Guilty Conscience!!!
It is Beaf. Thank you.

I keep stressing that we really need to sit down and talk in this country. If the phrase "national conference" sounds evil to some, then call it another name.

If we all cannot sit down, then at the very least, the whole of the south needs to begin cooperating. There is a great divide in education between North and South; that in itself is the greatest danger facing the nation.

The chasm between the Igbo and Yoruba needs to be bridged (onus is on the Yoruba because the call for one Nigeria is greatest there).
The ND has no problems with anybody (except the oligarchy), but ND has much smoother relations with the Igbo than anywhere else; there are gaps to be filled here as well.

olabukola:
Why must you attack the Yorubas @ every lil opportunity? Are we the FG that is not developing ND? Guy you have to stop this nonsence. You are here 24 hours of the days spitting rubbish about SW nigeria. Its getting out of hand/fashion dude.

Don't be silly, just open your eyes.

This is a thread for fools. Most of you guys can go and hail Boko Haram.

Maybe now, Western Nigeria will wake up. The only positive moves for the Nigerian polity from that area have been coming from Fashola (I'm not talking about planting trees).

asha 80:
I have actually seen that write up.It opened quite later in vanguard.

Interesting! I still haven't seen it but I'll take your word for it.

Google also seems to back it up, though theres no cached page:

Vanguard News | Latest news from Nigeria, business, politics ,
9 Aug 2009 , Boko Haram ressurects, declares total Jihad · Headlines / 0 Comments / Aug 14, 2009. 12345. The Islamic sect Boko Haram has declared total ,
www.vanguardngr.com/ - Similar

Vanguard website is down, but a quick google reveals that the headline exists.

I can't comment until Vanguards website is back up and I can read the article there.

Is there any picture or article to support this story? Sources

Thor:
Yes I have seen it, here is the picture below:

Not funny.

When you guys mention Enahoro as the ND 'minorities' . Are you actually saying that Edo people hate Igbo's?
Don't you think this is becoming a bit weird? Or when you say ND 'minorities', do you really mean individuals (little or nothing can be done about that).

Na small, small dem de start, den Gboa! Our eyes go clear!

De motto of una army na "victory from Allah alone". It is in Arabic.

This is getting a bit far fetched, who are these ND 'minorities' that hate Ndigbo so much? Can you guys at least list them? I'm an ND 'minority' who grew up in ND and am just learning about all this hatred. Is there something funny going on?

Some here think that there is a way to sit around a table for a frank, sincere and civilised exchange of views that would lead to repentance and resurrection of Nigeria. Fail!
We have tried civilised talking in the past; how many times has Gani Fawehinmi slept in jail? Fela tried it in populist style, his mother was killed. Saro Wiwa applied intellect and was executed. No sort of discuss works with Nigeria’s oligarchs.

Remember this quote?

beaf: Before this visit, the US has said clearly that foreigners know more about Nigeria than Nigerians. [b]Indeed one of their reports says that 80% of our oil proceeds goes to 1% of our population.

Yes. The oligarchs are so far separated from the rest of us materially that their power is almost of divinity.

If America offers help, let us accept it.

Yet, once in a lifetime, the stars line up in fortuitous ways. It is left for us to seize the opportunity and run with it. The following circumstances are unlikely to repeat and this is likely to be our last chance to wring out a just framework for our co-existence:
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[li]The nation’s economy is grinding to a halt with the unrest in the Niger Delta. The blessing in this is that, (a) the nation has never sought legality amongst the various ethnic groups – loyalty was bought with FG largesse and (b) healthy competition between the regions has been lost, no region (even ND) can boast of any viable industries outside oil. With the 6th largest oil reserves, we even import petrol.[/li]
[li]The Foreign Secretary of the most powerful nation (ruled by one of us) points out our errors[/li]
[li]The Foreign Secretary of the most powerful nation is ready to meet with opposition leaders and other big beasts outside the corrupt government[/li]
[li]The actions of the most powerful nation leave us in no doubt that they are looking beyond Yar Adua and will welcome a new, more representative government with open arms[/li]
[/list]

Ojo Maduekwe (smart guy) immediately understood the implications of what had happened and bent over backwards (clutched straws in hand) to say how Hilary brought soooo much cooperation to the table. She didn’t.

It is time for we the talakawa's to understood the signs the US is openly flashing. Did anybody count the number of times Hilary questioned the legitimacy of Yar Adua's government and its clowns?

I am 100% with Hilary on this. I don't care if she's black, white, fruit or human; that is one arse kicking hell of a woman! If Bill no go vex, I fit kiss am sha! She's a sweet darling.

Can someone please ban becomrich?

[quote author=emeka_gh]Nigeria is not even in the first 100 most corrupt nation.[/quote]There is a mistake in your understanding of the list. There are 180 countries in the list, meaning Nigeria is joint 59th or Nigeria is in the top 60 most corrupt countries. Don't rejoice.

@oyinda

I feel the pain and suffering of my people. I used to be a very fervent supporter of the Nigerian project; but it really hits you when people are killed and so much blood is spilt senselessly. The govt is doing its best to allienate ND people.

Do you know that before the youth in the creeks took up arms, that oil companies could actually order military strikes in ND? It may sound funny and far fetched in a sovereign country, but thats Nigeria and the ND for you. http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/6248

You might not understand what its like.

morpheus24:
maybe my credentials as a UN attachee and my work with  NGO's all across Africa  might persuade you of my "aspirations" vs your actions.

Go ahead and advocate your peaceful exit on ethnic lines. I promise you one thing, I will chop off my right hand if your Arewa republics or MENDS even resemble the appearance of the worst African states.

I like the way the word 'concessions" is used to mask the true intended goal which is control of resources and inevitably "Greed". As if the masses will see any of the proceeds from these so called "concessions". Who is going to make sure they get them. You!, Arewa republic, MEND. Please!

Cure the symptom and you will eliminate the problem.

Sorry, but by "concessions" I mean a formalised contract with the state, the prevailing situation right now is the law of the jungle.
Centrifugal forces of ethnicity have been tearing the country to pieces. The Nigerian state is a contrivance with nothing to glue its various nationalities together. It is an aggregation of a powerful centre and weak satellites; a system more suited to a dictatorship than a democratic federation. The centre wields a big stick, followed (at some distance) by the majority ethnic groups and then the minorities. Minority groups are treated with contempt.
The nation today is bogged down on the road to nowhere, because our elite have simply replaced the British as the benefactors of divide and rule. We have done nothing to provide a framework for ethnic equality and co-existence.

Let us talk about the Niger Delta which you have referenced through MEND.
Before proceeding, I need to make quite clear that the vast majority of Niger Delta people would prefer to be able to identify with the wider country; but after repeated massacres, only feel a sense of rejection. We have lost 50,000+ souls and 20 communities have been wiped out. As you must be aware, the last massacre was at Gbaramatu near  Warri and was for no other reason than Tompolo is from there; there was a smaller (though no less significant) massacre at Elem-Tombia in 2008; there was the state execution of a peaceful man, Saro Wiwa and the Ogoni 9. This is coupled with high levels of pollution and in a further twist; entrance to Universities and secondary schools are hampered by the quota system which seems to affect the Niger Delta much more than other areas. Unsurprisingly, there is little sense of belonging in the Niger Delta; we are the unloved child, only fit for exploitation.

You work for the UN, so the incidents and figures I have provided are not strange to you.

Why do you feel we shouldn’t strive for concessions? What symptoms can spectators (or minorities) cure in the present arrangement?

morpheus24:
Lets not play around with semantics here on the definitions of ideals and viewpoints.

The idea or "ideal" that these groups can bring about some sort of equilibrium in terms of fair resource allocation is your viewpoint, no?

My belief is based on my ideals which is simply  my willingness to aspire to solutions to issues that  can be attained even when people will regard them as  impossible and certainly out of the equation.

Sentiments are emotions that remain as such without action and are only experienced uniquely at that point in time by one individual. Belief is taking it a step further.

Did I answer your question?

While we might "aspire to solutions", others are already acting.

Right now the country is held to ransom by a band of thieves. In recent times, there has been an acceleration in our downward spiral of chaos, squalor, poverty, insecurity, unity and ethnic rivalry. The SSS Director General has predicted an implosion of Nigeria before 2011. There needs to be a controlled exit from chaos in order to avoid a violent split. Maybe the time for "aspiration to solutions" is past? Maybe the time has come for each region in the South to press forward with demands on how we should co-exist.

This is the beginning of the end for our band of thieves. The time is ripe for Biafra, ND Republic and Odudduwa to press their cases. We should at the very least gain huge concessions.

morpheus24:
Sentiments are far from it. "Sensibility" has more to do with it.

Your ideals are moving people backwards and not forward which is why I cannot support nor encourage anyone to do so.

Belief is a very powerful sentiment. It is much stronger than any organized minds of mass chaos.

I have not put forward any ideals, just a summarised viewpoint.
Belief. What is your belief? Is it based on fact or is it better called faith? What is there to it that seperates it from sentiment?

vission:
quote from beaf -De alqaeda's don come out!

Fool.


it is you and your fathers house that are a fools.

vission:
THIS SERVES AS A NOTE OF WARNING TO ALL WHO CARES TO LISTEN, 'TOUCH NOT MY ANNOINTED AND DO MY PROPHET NO HARM,'

SOME THINGS ARE JUST BEYOND HUMAN REASONING, MINISTERS OF GOD WHETHER SELF PROCLAIMED OR ORDAINED, BISHOPS, IMAMS PASTORS, ALFAS ETC ARE ANSWERABLE ONLY TO GOD. THE MAN OF GOD JUST NEED TO SAY 'A SIMPLE PRAYER' AND RUMOUR MONGERS ALIKE WILL BE DELT WITH. DO NOT FALL VICTIM, ASK FOR BLESSINGS AND NOT CURSES, CERTAINLY YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES YOU ARE BATTLING WITH ALREADY, DO NOT ADD TO IT, BE WARNED, LEARN FROM STORIES OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN VICTIM.

Alqaedas easily resort to violence. No different from Boko Haram.

If you read all my posts on this thread, you wouldn't dare abuse me, cos I'll be saying 'A SIMPLE PRAYER'.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-308068.192.html#msg4337445

Fool.

vission:
THIS SERVES AS A NOTE OF WARNING TO ALL WHO CARES TO LISTEN, 'TOUCH NOT MY ANNOINTED AND DO MY PROPHET NO HARM,'

SOME THINGS ARE JUST BEYOND HUMAN REASONING, MINISTERS OF GOD WHETHER SELF PROCLAIMED OR ORDAINED, BISHOPS, IMAMS PASTORS, ALFAS ETC ARE ANSWERABLE ONLY TO GOD. THE MAN OF GOD JUST NEED TO SAY 'A SIMPLE PRAYER' AND RUMOUR MONGERS ALIKE WILL BE DELT WITH. DO NOT FALL VICTIM, ASK FOR BLESSINGS AND NOT CURSES, CERTAINLY YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES YOU ARE BATTLING WITH ALREADY, DO NOT ADD TO IT, BE WARNED, LEARN FROM STORIES OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN VICTIM.

This is how they control fanatics in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

morpheus24:
I don't see how the article should make me hold my head in shame. It simply discusses the failure of the "Amnesty" package for the groups concerned. A similar program was hatched during the RUF and AFRC's reign of terror which less we forget began a " liberation for the people" and culmunated into a reign of anarchy and terror. Thousands died and for what?. What is the significant change you see in these countries?

Though Nigeria is deteriorating as a unified entity, The likes of Mend, Arewa republic and so on are only waiting for the ship to sink or the spoils of war so they can loot as much as possible in the disguise of helping the mass of people. Tell me what part of all the kidnap money Mend and theri kidnapping counter parts is going to the people in those regions or being used to procure more weaponry in anticipation of a war.

Liberia and Sierra leonean are stark historical examples of a country run amoc with stupid infighting and illiterate leaders.

The revolution will be by the people not these pockets of nonsense war mongering organizations you uphold.

I have Zero trust for any one of them and don't see any long term sincerity of the people concerned.

If you want bloodshed war, no problem. I hope you can stand the site of dead women and children all over the news.

You seem to be an undying optimist. The ship is sinking and there is no definition of stern or bow, so no pilot can save it. The only positive sense of organisation in Nigeria lies in Biafra, ND and Oduduwa. Arewa gets 1% of our oil proceeds and is as poor as Somalia.
I'm not for union for sentimental reasons.

vission:
THIS SERVES AS A NOTE OF WARNING TO ALL WHO CARES TO LISTEN, 'TOUCH NOT MY ANNOINTED AND DO MY PROPHET NO HARM,'

SOME THINGS ARE JUST BEYOND HUMAN REASONING, MINISTERS OF GOD WHETHER SELF PROCLAIMED OR ORDAINED, BISHOPS, IMAMS PASTORS, ALFAS ETC ARE ANSWERABLE ONLY TO GOD. THE MAN OF GOD JUST NEED TO SAY 'A SIMPLE PRAYER' AND RUMOUR MONGERS ALIKE WILL BE DELT WITH. DO NOT FALL VICTIM, ASK FOR BLESSINGS AND NOT CURSES, CERTAINLY YOU GUYS HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES YOU ARE BATTLING WITH ALREADY, DO NOT ADD TO IT, BE WARNED, LEARN FROM STORIES OF THOSE WHO HAVE FALLEN VICTIM.

De alqaeda's don come out!

Fool.

yjay:
Honestly i am shocked at the way pple here ve resulted to insults to Pastor Adeboye, this issue abt tithing,giving offerings etc  its actually a matter of choice, ure not forced to do these things cos the truth is whether u decide to give or not the church will still march on! the name callings is so unnecessary!!!!!! whatever covenant anyone decides to go into whether its a seed offering or a pledge etc, its between u & ur God & if any man of God decides to use it for his own selfish purpose then be rest assured that he ll definitely answer to God!

Eh hen! Na so alqaeda take start. . . God don de go market nowadays?

superior1: The problem is, you guyz are trying to explain things that pertains to God and His believers with logical reasoning. It doesnt work that way, while one shouldnt be dogmatic, the concept of christainity as a faith exceeds human understanding and perception.
know that if truely the works of Pastor Adeboye is of God leading, then whatever gabbage you try throwing at him is an attempt against God.
I pray may heaven never hold you to expalination

Eh hen! Na so alqaeda take start. . . They first throw out logic, then human beings become God! Na so!

morpheus24:
And you think if the mofo organizations on top get their way it will be a better life for you.

Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. !

Yes I think so. What can be worse than the quote below?

Indeed one of their reports says that 80% of our oil proceeds goes to 1% of our population.

Read this new york times article and hold your head in shame for your country.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/world/africa/11nigeria.html

I don't know if there is any history of the red carpet being snubbed anywhere on Earth! That was one hell of a hostile action, but one pointed squarely in the right direction.
The US is very right to be scared about the way Nigeria is going, war in our dear country will sink the whole of West Africa (possibly even Central Africa). This is not to mention the fear of alqaeda taking hold up North.

Some here think that there is a way to sit around a table for a frank, sincere and civilised exchange of views that would lead to repentance and resurrection of Nigeria. Fail!
We have tried civilised talking in the past; how many times has Gani Fawehinmi slept in jail? Fela tried it in populist style, his mother was killed. Saro Wiwa applied intellect and was executed. No sort of discuss works with Nigeria’s oligarchs.

Remember this quote?

beaf: Before this visit, the US has said clearly that foreigners know more about Nigeria than Nigerians. [b]Indeed one of their reports says that 80% of our oil proceeds goes to 1% of our population.

Yes. The oligarchs are so far separated from the rest of us materially that their power is almost of divinity.

Yet, once in a lifetime, the stars line up in fortuitous ways. It is left for us to seize the opportunity and run with it. The following circumstances are unlikely to repeat and this is likely to be our last chance to wring out a just framework for our co-existence:
[list]
[li]The nation’s economy is grinding to a halt with the unrest in the Niger Delta. The blessing in this is that, (a) the nation has never sought legality amongst the various ethnic groups – loyalty was bought with FG largesse and (b) healthy competition between the regions has been lost, no region (even ND) can boast of any viable industries outside oil. With the 6th largest oil reserves, we even import petrol.[/li]
[li]The Foreign Secretary of the most powerful nation (ruled by one of us) points out our errors[/li]
[li]The Foreign Secretary of the most powerful nation is ready to meet with opposition leaders and other big beasts outside the corrupt government[/li]
[li]The actions of the most powerful nation leave us in no doubt that they are looking beyond Yar Adua and will welcome a new, more representative government with open arms[/li]
[list]

Ojo Maduekwe (smart guy) immediately understood the implications of what had happened and bent over backwards (clutched straws in hand) to say how Hilary brought soooo much cooperation to the table. She didn’t.

It is time for we the talakawa's to understood the signs the US is openly flashing. Did anybody count the number of times Hilary questioned the legitimacy of Yar Adua's government and its clowns?

I am 100% with Hilary on this. I don't care if she's black, white, fruit or human; that is one arse kicking hell of a woman! If Bill no go vex, I fit kiss am sha! She's a sweet darling.

The most telling thing in all of this is that the fucking oligarchy reps refused to see Hilary. . . It wasn't going to be business as usual with that thieving bunch. They didn't like what they were gonna be told.