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Isha, Its not about the cane and the cries, Its a relationship between you and your Lord (however you want to look at it). And i think you should stop trying to be funny here, its not going to take you anywhere.

Batu, i expected you to conclude your little story with "Hirse Ali was later discovered to be criminal and her status was withdrawn and humiliated in Holland". Anyway, you are welcome to the forum, hoping you will learn as you get over your JJC status.

Baby, if what you said is correct about your early childhood and the fact that you feel i am not violent, then you should be able to deduce to the point that its not about the religion but the interpretation. Am sure you can accurately give a small figure to the percentage of violent muslims in kano. Or let me put it this way, Can you please with all sincerety say that majority of muslims are Violent, Rapists or Killers? Your answer to this may draw the curtain to this line of arguement.

As for the accuracy of my figure, i will agree with you guys i wasnt too sure about it and i am honest enough to accept that fact.

Babyosisi, you ve got to agree with me that you dont know Islam and the access to quotes and verses with malicious interpretation does not make you an authority in islam.

Accepted there is rancour in the arab world and there are people who misapplied the lessons of Quran, but we are talking about over 6 billion muslims the world over, morrocco, tibet, canada, nigeria, guinea etc. You feel comfortable capturing the negative images in the middle east and your haphazard understanding of the islamic texts to heap all evil deeds on islam. Cant you see where your sentiment is taking you to? Are you trying to teach me my own religion? or do you think am a sadist who enjoy watching evil atrocities carried out in a false pretence? If you want to talk about Islam try to know the much you can get about it if at all you want to be fair because that is what i assume you are trying to be. But if you decide to be a blind critic like david then we are wasting time discussing here.

David, if you attack the issues without using a word on my person its in order. Frankly, your attacks on Islam or muslims is no longer effective because you are only repeating yourself, but next time please dont say a word about my person, am not your mate.

Isha, for your own good please try to understand the quran and make good use of it.

We are right now between the devil and the deep blue sea. Its either Buhari or one of them. I wish we could present someone better than buhari if the system allows it.

David, if you are enjoying the exchange of insults, am really kynda too old for that. Anyway, have it your own way little boy.

David, dont you see how you maliciously over simplify your analogy? If we go by your postulations, then i should probably be looking out for who to kill or rape rather hanging out in my office chatting with you on my broadband. Does that make sense to you? Cant you for a moment be reasonable?

Barkade, all the insinuations made against our hero are just mere ranting of the fools and trouble makers. sometimes we reply them with corrections and sometimes we just ignore them to maintain peace in the forum.

Barkade, atleast you sound more sensible that the little david. But come to think of it, are we not all talking about some aberrations in the society with nothing to do with religious doctrines? Ofcourse christianity cant sanction madonna's attitude just like islam can order me to rape or abuse anyone. We need to understand these very well because as a christian i dont see how you are practically better than me or vice versa. Forget about the quotes and misquotes of david and other loud mouth like him.

David you are entitle to your opinion.

Barkade, why is your radar solely focus on muslims society? Have you seen the ethnic cleansing of muslims in Bosnia just recently? Ever heard of the rape in Congo? and other atrocities elsewhere. Try being fair next time.

Can you now answer my question?.

Was Yaradua democratically selected as PDP candidate?

Has Yaradua made any meaningful speech since he was enthroned by OBJ?

Is Yaradua Medically fit to withstand the rigour of presidential politics? Do you know he goes for Dialysis weekly?

Yaradua is a civilian, hausaman and a sunni muslim like me, why do you think i can have anything against him?

How can you take OBJ factor out of Yaradua?

Kindly give me some answers.

Lafile, i feel oblige to reply you on this. The point is not whether you can or cannot un-islamised yourself but it is wrong to do so. Even in this forum we have mushrikuns who had committed ridda, but they are out there having fun. Your point make sense if we accept that there is no hard drugs anywhere or there is no prostitution or even adultery. Deserting Islam by a muslim is wrong just like Adultery and other wrongful deeds. Havila, for instance, was a muslim or so he said. So can you tell me who bulldozed him into not leaving or even threaten him afterwards. There are a lot of them everywhere but what they did was unacceptable in Islam.

Baby, you are very wrong about our Holy Prophet. He was a nice gentleman who has never hurt anyone. Dont get carried away.

Who do you call free western women, David? The abused back up dancers for Snoop or 50 cents? The almost always naked madonna with a heavy cross dangling on her neck or the insensitive Angelina Jolie who dropped her fathers name leaving him wailing? Is that the moral you are teaching your christian siblings?. Its quite unfortunate that apart from diffusing your cultural and traditional heritage to crave for western antics, you are still feeling cool about your new so-callede secular mentality. i think you are a lost sheep and you dont count a dime in the calculation of your new adopted western lords.

A muslim woman see herself as a partner and understand her roles very well. This muslim women you talk so much about like some aliens are actually our mothers, wives and sisters and somehow you think you love them more than we do when you dont even have love for your roots. Its so absurd how you twist an issue to potray your utter ignorance and gaping foolishness.

David, you are a disappointment. am sorry about it but you are making me feel that way.

David you always allow your foolishness get the best of you whe you come out with barrages of unwarranted personal attacks and glorified ignorance of the substances being discussed. Am used to that now, too bad.

For Batu and others that seemed lost in the tracks, i tell you striking resemblance abound betwen cults and many other
facets of life, particularly in christianity. Okija shrine is almost 100% composed of christian membership, same goes to Ogboni, Eiye, , etc. may be its just coincidental.

Islam is something you all see as a threat and therefore should be condemn and blacklisted. but you only have access to internet forums to vent your irrelevant angers with so much futility. The best thing for you is to go back to school of theology and learn more about the glorious religion of Islam and see where you missed the point.

mrpataki, its nice to know that you approve my unprincipled stand. I have always being with Yarima and now Yarima is strongly backing Buhari. So we are in it together.

You can call Buhari all sort of names but the bottomline is you want yaradua just because you see him as OBJ stooge and by implication a continuation of the agenda. We are the people that knows yaradua very well and we are giving you a hint of his incompetence but all you are saying yes we know buhari is not corrupt but we still dont like him for reasons best known to us. Its all foolish sentiments that wont take you anywhere.

Am humbled by the genuine acceptance i got from Shahan but at the same time disappointted with my close friends on nairaland who are already forming some barrages of opposition to the holy union. I thought its celebration time for all the folks here that we are finally making progress in the forum by building bridges across the divide.

Dont mind them shahan, enjoy your groves at the down under and we roll the grind when you get back.

mrpataki, this is for you

Baby, believe me or not, a muslim woman feels much more better up with herself than you do. She is more at peace with herself, more secured and definitely much more happier than you are. If you have any one around you, try asking her.

JoshO, your only problem with buhari is your perception of his extreme islamic leaning. this is a serious fallacy and i want to stress here that it is very wrong to assume buhari is an islamic extremist. he has never even being known to belong to any islamic movement or any religion based pressure group. he is a muslim who practice his religion carefully and appropriately. i dont know why you should even feel that way about him.

Lafile, oh yeah you are very correct and am sure it wont make much sense to you.

But let me give you some insight too. In Sharia Law, Sentences and punishments are not strictly meant to be carried out but all the same were provided for to serve as deterrent. That is why no one has yet being stoned to death in Nigeria and not likely to be soon, Insha Allah. But you guys just read our lips and start to shiver.

The idea sound strange to you because you were only getting to know about it while claiming to know Islam very well. Cant you see that now? Too bad

I thought i was the one going for a holy kiss with shahan, prelude to the altar.

You know its allowed in Islam, Baby? i mean to marry a christian.

Donny, Buhari is definitely not the only nigerian that can deliver the goods but he is surely one of them and yar adua is not one of them. thats my point

My point is that we really need someone to get us out of this sorry situation. Definitely, its not yaradua. Atiku is only having a date with nemesis like the rest of fellow obj bedmates. when they were having a swell time sucking us dry no one heard the turaki saying anything but now that the time is up, we are expected to rally round our poor old obj victim. We have to look beyond symphaty for Atiku to the actually crusade against corruption, there is where Buhari comes in.

You can only agree with me.

We are not looking at this from the same perspective, so you guys can give whatever deduction you chooses, but for me Islam is peace, if only you know.

mrpataki, i cant trade islam for anything in this world and right now i reside in abuja with my little family, beyond the confines of sharia law but i abide by sharia principles 100%.

I think we have misplaced our priorities here or at best we allowed our sentiments to get the best of us. If we can all agree that corruption and nothing else is the bane of our problems in Nigeria, then we have no saviour but Buhari.

Barikade, dont get me wrong about my reaction, sometimes you guys push us to the wall.

About Islam, you finally got the right wordings that we could all agree on. Islam does not compel anyone to join the religion but Islam compel real muslims from deserting the religion. This is absolutely true. If you have problem with this its because you are not a muslim but i am comfortable with that provision like every other real muslims.

Baby, The Rasoul said " Min Husni Islama Mar a, Tarkuhu mala ya anihi". hope you know the meaning

Baby, i dont really care how you intend to rate me because i came to nairaland to discuss issues and not personalities.
But the answers are here;

1. Islam does not compel anyone to join it. There are Quranic verses and Hadith to support this.

2. Islam prescribe death sentence for any real muslim that deserted. This too is supported by Quran and Hadith

If the two sound confusing to you then you go sort yourself out and i dont care how you feel about it. To be frank with you, i dont tell lies and i dont intend to start now ot to appease you or any one else in here.

Hannydarl i have explained that before. In the olden days they dont have the benefit of a DNA and so you cant point on any man with enough evidence for conviction. And even then the punishment was not strictly effected as in most cases the women were encouraged to repent and move on with their lives elsewhere. Most if any effected were largely due to the insistence of the women to voluntary surrender due to the fear of God in them. You may not understand this.

And Hanny, The Holy Prophet is the best example of mankind, you can only know this if you truly care to find out without bias. Some of our detractors here came with a mindset to blemish the person of our Rasoul. He never raped anyone, He never punished any one unjustly and infact he encourage patience, tolerance and forgiveness. He is my teacher and i am telling you what he taught me. Any one else can only be subjectively unfair.

Donny, i am not telling anyone to vote for Buhari and i am not campaigning for him but i know that what we have on our hand now is either PDP or ANPP and we all know that anything PDP is an extention of OBJ government. So its up to you guys. Buhari is not an angel, he is a nigerian like all of us. Some of us here are even worst than him.

Donny, you are very wrong here. Buhari IS NOT the only leader that chooses a fellow muslim as his deputy. Abiola did just that in a democratic setting while in buharis case it was a military configuration.

Aggressa my friend, am happy to have some of our discussant on yarima thread here again. In the short spell buhari had as Head of State, it was evident that all those achievements you listed were vigoruosly pursued by the no-nonsense general. He may not have actualised some of them but the intention was there.

Am sure even if Buhari can have Olubunmi Okogie or Sunday Mbang as his deputy am sure some of you will still express some reservations. So its not about what buhari is but how you choose to look at it