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Are you kidding me, it's like saying we all have the same level of intelligence or we all have the same level of athletism. We can all be athletic, but some are definitely more athletic than others, and in terms of durability, longevity and an extension of superstardom, a lot of factors come into play, including previous injuries, personal care(Lebron can give you some advice, if he is not taking steroids). So i am afraid, if jason Kidd was a farmer, then there were better farmers.

steady986:
Invalid point. Are they not all athletes? Or was Jason Kidd a farmer? Jason Kidd is a hall of famer for crying out loud. So as KG and PP. Jason Kidd played till he was 41, he couldn't have been washed up at 34.

You do't get it, this was a match up against Lebron, making the all star team does not mean you are capable of driving a team to later stages of the play offs. A lot of stuffs drives the selection, making the all-star team does not mean you are still as impactful.

KarnThornheart:
Kidd was an all-star in 2007, was an all-star two more times after that. I know you started watching basketball last month but Kidd as far as longevity goes is up there with Karl Malone and Kareem.

Only time will tell.

KarnThornheart:
Keep crying mate. That doesn't even begin to compare to KDs legendary you can't beat them you join them move. Doesn't even matter. Just know the Lakers are going to obliterate the golden State Warriors into irrelevance again.

That guy never sticks to one thing, he makes a bold statement,then turns around and makes a different one when the first one doesn't seem realistic. The same guy that named Giannis as the best player, even though he is well aware he does not have a jumpshot(it surprises me he couldn't see the facts here), later mentioned that, the winner of the eastern conference determines the best player. One of the few times i have supported his contribution was when he used probability to prove to Stephen A smith that , the GSW can still win without KD. He claims Curry cannot be re-introduced into the best player in the world category because he choked in 2016, well, you learn from the best, you can't choke better than Lebron. I guess Lebron should never be in the conversation after his choke job against Dallas.

smoosh20:
Now they'll say their almighty Max Kellerman is wrong.

Are you comparing Kidd to Jordan or Lebron. You don't get it bro. Players are different. Kidd at 34 is not the same as Jordan at 34. Some players fade away earlier than others, it usually becomes obvious as their careers unfold. So when he says Kidd at 34, he meant Kidd didn't have much left in his tank at 34.

steady986:
LeBron is 34, Jordan was 35 when he won his 5th MVP, so quit all these age excuses.

Contact is not the same as "Joining for sure", we will see how it plays out.

ZenHallewell:
And so it begins....

On curry, i never put him on a pedestal when he plays terribly. however i would rather have him play terribly with him in the driving seat. I don't just enjoy it when KD handles it. The guy is a phenom, but i am team "team" wins, i am team "david beats golliath", team "unprecedented". Although this doesnt usually translate to stellar performances in the post season, given that the bully usually wins. He still has a chance to overwrite his failure in the 2016 finals though. I sincerely hope KD is only able to return deep into that series.

ZenHallewell:
It was actually easy, smoosh200 or whatever he calls himself is just a pathological shameless liar. He was here crying aboyt curry all over the place and suddenly he forgot, LOL!


I told you, genius level intellect. I rarely forget!

I am afraid, he does have flaw, and it's the most obvious one, he loses too much, hehehehe. 3 out of 9 is not a flaw? na "ground floor" self. It's like climbing going about boasting ot everyone you managed to climb 3/4 th the height of the topmost section of Mt everest.Nice try, but Finish it bro. Finish it.

steady986:
How do you blame someone who has no flaws? Someone who's excellent in the game of basketball.

You dey alright. Unanimously kini, you no wetin that word mean sa. I am not particularly a fan of KD self, but honestly, he learnt form the trail blazer, Lebron. I cna argue that if Lebron had not tried it, he might not have made that. He probably told himself, "If Lebron can do it, i can do it too"

steady986:
KD's move to GS is unanimously regarded as the weakest move in the whole of sports. Don't act like you don't know.

Oh boy i throway cap give you oh, you no get job ni, so you fit take your time search like this, i hope oyu apply that to your day to day stuffs.

ZenHallewell:
These are your own words. Suddenly you currysexuals forget when you were crying for the wardell you knew to return. Well normal folks havent dweeb.

Cheated? you Lebronsexuals will always find a reason to minimize the fact that your king patented that move. KD's was a counterfeit.

steady986:
Lol. The game ain't the game bro. KD cheated, and the world knows it...and he knows it too

I was about to say the same, i just couldn't without proof, but it's not too farfetched

darkelf:
Baldness and enlarged jaws are sign of chronic use of Anabolic steroids

Most all NBA stars use Anabolic steroids and the league officials know but don't care

I normally dont bring stuffs like this up. But the guy bleeped up by even mentioning Jordan's Baldness. That was the height of it. Shave the damn thing, we all know you are bald.

A40:
Lmaooo fam. Is it not better you shave the damn thing off instead of this struggle hair dye and other things this man keeps doing to keep baldness at bay

If I ever lose hair to this point I'm shaving everything off instead of enduring the indignity of this struggle

them fit glue am now. Hehehehehehehehe

A40:
That's a toupee ma nigga. LeNomad is naturally incapable of growing a fro

What kind of afro can you grow with this contraption pls

That guy bleeped up by bringing up Jordan's baldness, can you see the waves on the side, the man thinks he is still 20. Hehehehehe. So pathetic.

Roland17:


Someone said the balding pattern from the top looks like a time capsule.

Gerara here man, did you read my earlier post, there has to be a balance between the number of championships and individual stats. Although horry has 7 championships he does not have the individual stats to put him up against the greatest. So come up with another argument bro, If it's not that bad , why can't he embrace or shave. Your King trying to cheat nature i guess. The rating bullshit is all driven by the paradigm change , technology and all that.

LOL I told you, you dont know basketball. Net rating has nothing to do with vegas small fry.

[quote author=ZenHallewell post=78593168]I have never made any argument denying the greatness of Michael Jordan's Bulls, but he played with only one other all star.

And when has that bald degenerate ever won without a decent team? The 90's bulls are arguably the greatest team of all time.
Like i said the tide changed in game 4m and he missed game 5. You can change the complexion of a series in one game.

A game is capable of derailing or changing the complexion of a team. Draymond grenn had an important role.

Where was draymond green in game 6 and 7 in his own house? LOL! Try again!

Again you are terrible at reading. Bill Russel had at least 3 all other all stars for each of his championships, you can't get easier than that. Meanwhile it wasn't just three guys making the all star team, it was rotating amongst the starting 5, with Bill Russel makingall the all star teams bar 1957. So with practically played with all -star caliber teamates, with one other guy winning the MVP earlier. They also only had to beat 2 teams to the finals. So i am afraid, it wasn't as competitive.

Bill Russell has the numbers and 11 rings, why is he not the GOAT?

The most crucial part you say, when they were losing to some bottom ranked teams, while he played. I have never argued that he doesn't need all stars to win. Everyone does, my argument is solely based on the number of itmes he has one against hte number of times he has been, this actually reveals the weakness of the East during his dominance.

Ohh so now the opposition matters? Now he needs a lieutenant? LMAO Just watch how this walking contradiction will go on to blame lebron without a second star for not making the playoffs when he lost the most crucial part of it through injury.

Again, we will never know if he would have won without any of those. So you cannot base your argument on it. The same way, i could argue that, if Hakeem had Ralph Sampson for at least 8 years, he could easily have at least 8 championships. They took the Celtics to 6 games in 1986. Their team was on the rise. However could have, should have is not exactly a point, It is an excuse.

Point is your man never won a playoff series without pippen and never won a ring without both him and phil jackson. Hes demar derozan on the warriors against a pack of bums.

Honestly, this is not basketball so kill it. That's nature in play here.

LOL Lebrons bald head is not like jordans danny devito baldness

So what happened in the play offs? He lost in the first round each time his team had less than 40 teams. He was shown he did not belong there yet.

Small fry jordan made the playoffs with 30 wins, dont even start that playoffs nonsense with me. I told you, farmers league.

I beseech thee, read before you comment. The measure of Greatness does not ultimately depend on the number of rings. No one is arguing that the league has not gotten better. The players got better, the stars got better, and the super stars got even better, that trend is still on the rise. I mean we have a durable guy like lebron, who has not had any serious injury until recently, thanks to all the reasons you stated. The only way we can compare great players across Eras is to assess winningness in relation to the level of talent and tech around the league.

The league is better because the athletes are better and talent is better due to improvements in scouting, analytics and technology. Small fry andre drummond will tear that farmers league apart. So the east is weak and the west is strong but if lebron loses to a western team its his fault LMAO! Keep moving the goal post. Oh and Robert horry is 7-0 in the finals, therefore by your logic hes better than the bald reprobate.

A40 you may want to come and defend your goat, this clown is embarrassing him.

Guy i am not a Jordan fan,i but the measure of greatness has to be a balance between rings and stats. Net rating, what the hell does that mean, you mean by "Vegas" standard. I ma afraid the only time Lebron won was when he had a decent team, even moreso a great team in Miami. He was only able to beat the golden state after he got draymond suspended for game 5, thus changing the complexion of the series. And why bring age into the matter, Lebron was already in the league when he was 18. So the most suitable comparison can only be based on the number of years spent. Who gives a Bleep about his averages of 40 points in some of the series. Jordan got swept by the Celtics with 4 hall of famers, and sorry i thought the yoruba word "Balogun-Lietenant or Commander" was pretty popular, and that was referring to Pippen. You consider averages of almost 40 against a team led by Derozan an achievement. Jordan averaged almost a 50 with over 50% FGP against the stacked celtics in 1986, i will consider that a stellar performance but that's not winning. Posting great numbers and getting swept at the same time is kind a paradox. Win with great numbers bro, infact, win with 2 points. Meanwhile remember a sweep was in 3 games, then, i might comeback from beeing 3 zero down, you never know(Lebron and Kyrie style). On a serious note, the last i checked Lebron is prone to a bald head too. He may have pushed it's manifestation forward, but nature always catches up. Because the BB ball of this era is better televised and more marketable, that makes it a better league. My friend "shin", 16 years is definitely a good sample size to judge greatness. the last i checked in year 16, lebron has lost in 6 finals. If you cannot beat a team you supposedly called stacked you can protest by not participating. He bulldozed through the east for 9 years, when he finally got into a better conference, he got bounced. He didn't even make the play offs.

ZenHallewell:
LOL Confirmation you dont know basketball. All the years he was averaging 40 in a series and losing he didnt reach get his "balogon" right? LOL! Only thing that changed is he got scottie pippen and phil jackson and a decent team, thats when started to win. Before then he would kill it in the regular season and when he met worthy opposition like the celtics he got swept. twice he got swept in the first round too. Was that his fault? Your man was on a 72 win team and bullied lesser opposition than lebron. His team went from 57 to 55 wins without him at one point because his team was that good, just like KD to an extent. Lebron on the other hand came from 3-1 down to beat a 73 win team. When lebron was the same age as the gamblers first year he was dragging a team to the finals where he lost, thats lebrons fault too yeah?
The worst team lebron faced in the finals has a better net rating than thE best team bald derozan faced in the finals. This clown wants to come and talk about worthy opposition when his goat dominated farmers and carpenters LOOOL! Again the 9 years he was losing, or in 1995 when he got destroyed by shaq and penny, what exactly happened? Again if he is so good how comes he only won 6 times in 15 seasons? By far the dumbest argument in NBA is the rings argument and anyone who subscribes to it is equally as dumb!

No it's not, Kings grow too, or you can say, princes grow . He was a prince earlier in his career, once he got his "Balogun", he was ready for the kingship. For all his finals battles, he kicked ass. What shall it profit a man to Kick the asses of minions, and when he comes up against a worthy rival, he folds most of the time. Ofcourse we will tell tales of such a king, who goes to battle against the US, against Germany, against France, against Russia, and got his ass kicked most of time.Oh he put up a good fight, he killed a 1000 warriors, he destroyed their fleets. But ultimately lacked the will and ability to deal the final blow. Long may he reign, "King of Losses".

ZenHallewell:
How does jordan play in the league 15 years but only make the finals 6 times? That is a horrible record.

You were very specific on picking on the shortcoming of some of your King's rivals, but you seem to have forgotten a vital information. How does a king get to the finals 9 times and win only 3. That's a very terrible record for a King. Oh sorry, we didn't discuss his dominion, King of what? Losses maybe? hehehehehe.

steady986:
Lol, he's just sitting on his throne watching as everyone jostles for his throne. Kyrie has failed woefully, Harden tried but he jam rock, KD started poorly, then started gaining momentum until LeBron sent him the god of injury, then Curry started taking advantage of the injury, but he won't end well because KD will come back and slow him down. Gianni's just scored 12 points in a game that went to double overtime, that's bad if you want to claim the throne. Embiid, well, I don't need to say much about him. PG was playoff PG and Westbrooke was Westbrick. That leaves only one, Kawhi. I like Kawhi, but all his efforts would come to naught if he fails to make the Finals.

So, LeBron is still King my brother.

Yes you can, when you don't make the playoffs. You guys always find a way to bring Lebron into any conversation, apparently the NBA can thrive without Lebron. Don'tworry, he will get another chance next year.

steady986:
How do you reclaim something you never let go of in the first place?

I am afraid, he is no more,you can only hope he still has enough in his tank to reclaim the throne.

steady986:
Stephen Curry, king of the w.....Oakland. Just king of Oakland. There can't be two kings in the west.

Siakam better hope the bucks don't steal this one. Such a choker.

Siakam just missed both free throws. What the hell.

Sorry no, Curry deserves another chance to prove he can do it, he must deliver this time, hopefully without another superstar.

steady986:
Just pray KD is fit by then

Easy, no give yourself High Blood Pressure over lebron. Na someone tell am make him take hand hit stand. That was self inflicted, he was responsible for it. He was going to lose either way. Curry doesn't claim anything, his injuries are usually obvious, like rolling his ankles, and it's usually a second person that talks about his injuries before it goes viral. Again, until we get an official report on his rib injury, and the extent, i will assume he just couldn't handle Curry, he got owned mentally, better luck next time, and come back stronger. You might want to read Roland17's analysis, you don't seem to watch the games in full.

KarnThornheart:
Lol! This is my problem with these inbred GSW morons. LeBron had no reason to lie, hand was swollen. Took fewer jumpers after game one even though it was his bread and butter before the finals. No one was blaming him for losing. Lillard is not like curry who claims to be injured everytime he plays horribly and you dimwits believe curry so why not Lillard?

I just can't wait until next season to see what these re.tards turn into after the Warriors fall. Shameless clowns, everyday another idiot who started watching basketball in 2015 will come here and do their best impersonation of gorillas.

Don't worry, you don't have to wait for too long, you will get to see GSW match up against the supposed "achilles heel"

steady986:
First off, OKC are not that great. And Denver were sort of the new kids on the block...they managed to beat spurs in 7, then they ran out of 7 game series luck. I think, and I'm certain that GS's achilles will be in the east

So this is now coming out, after being down 3-0, he is learning well from Lebron . And i don't want to hear that's unlike Dame, he had to tell an analyst about it, there has to be an excuse for playing terribly, and i think "separated ribs" is probably an exaggeration, are there any doctors here, can anyone play with separated ribs?

KarnThornheart:
Apparently Dame has separated ribs and is playing through it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Not like a certain someone who tends to disappear every once in a while only for the media to tell you he's "injured".

How better?, what the hell are you saying?, you mean a team led by cry cry baby Embid, or the Celtics lead by Kyrie, who has shown he is a terrible leader. Even the raptors are not a very good team sincerely, apart from Kawhi, the other guys are inconsistent. They have got length, but we have forgotten length doesn't always know how to shoot. As much as you need to defend , you need to get buckets too. We shall see if the Raptors will wake up form their slumber.

KarnThornheart:
LOL! The celtics and the sixers are better than most of these teams and they're not even in the ECF! The west is trash.

The fact that most series in the east has been pretty close does not make the east a superior conference.

KarnThornheart:
Nope. Just makes OKC and the Nuggets even more useless. The west is trash!

Terry was terrible, he did not learn anything from the comeback in game 2, no adjustments.

Klay bricking, and ball hogging, pass the fucking ball.

The Trail Blazers never learn