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Damn. Accumulating sweeps is not a cool way to exit the NBA, but to be swept by the same team back-to-back is worse. Damn. He better do something.

Shame no even dey catch you to post this. The man has been playing for over 20 years straight. Your only consolation is that, however slow a tortoise is it eventually reaches its destination. But still too slow.

steady986:
Make I post this one now make person come tell me say na longevity stat Longevity stat kee you there

You are a comedian you know? . It's only Le(4-6) fans that would use a high usage rate as a mark against. Unbelievable.

steady986:
Do you know how many less games it took for LeBron to pass MJ in assists and rebounds? Or DDs or TDs

All MJ was is a shot stuffer and usage merchant that got marched to the line at the slightest provocation.

Hello, quote the Bible, please. Genesis 16 vs 3. NKJV, NLT, NIV e.t.c. It's clearly written in at least the listed versions as wife, and we can go into the Hebrew bible if you want. We are discussing a biblical story here, so quote verses. You can always use names or instances we are familiar with but quote the bible first, then explain. In all of this exchange, you haven't quoted the verse itself.

And you need to stop jumping about the point. The argument was that Hagar became his wife, not about whether he was forced to. Very simple.

Veecruz:
That is not True and for you to say that "she was just not of the same status as Sarai" is proof you know its not True.

Eg is it in doubt that Ned Nwoko married Regina Daniels? No

Or that late Atagha went playing with Chidinma and laid with her? No.

Do you not see that Abraham did not go into Hagar if not that he was compelled (force, duress, undu.pressure) by Sarai?

If you knew some Law eg "it is not my fault, what i did against ny will"/ Consent makes The Law - consensus facit legem

Try learning some Law on how a person is guilty and convicted for his unlawful act.

And that is why i call those supporting polygamy devils, because, Satan knows the great importance of your will (consent) and is always, always trying to get you to commit a sin, with your will and consent. And people carry on carelessly and mindlessly.

And Lawyers, the keepers and finders of Law, especially the bible reading and church going ones are not teaching people about these things, which is why almost all of them are going to go to hellfire. Yes, i said it! And that is on top all the evils they do, just like the levites and priests.

So, take out time to read on how a person is convicted for sin "criminal liability/responsibity"

Technically Hagar was Avraham's wife. She was just not of the same status as Sarai. You can see that in Genesis 16 vs 3. Maybe you indeed should try to study your bible well, and contextualize using the languages we suppose they were originally written.

Veecruz:
You yourself must see that you are talking senselessly in a bid to defend that which is sin, even to point of perverting the Truth.

What prophecy is on casting away hagar and son to cast away the law and keep the promise? (Hope you are not mad enough to say that Hagar's son is the law?)

Thank God you confess the Truth that hagar was not even Abraham's wife, and if you further dive into the Truth, you will also confess that she was not even his concubine.

She was just a woman he angrily bleeped to teach both women a very painful lesson about Life

So, your response was off point as you rightly predicted, for no one any where in the world, no matter how intelligent they are, can ever justify siin.

Not even if all the S.A.Ns in the world come togetger to defend polygamy, they still will will fail, fkr it is Written "i will never justify the wicked"

And polygamy is the doing of wickedness to the first wife like the face of this woman clearly shows.
https://www.nairaland.com/8039963/nigerian-woman-welcomes-husbands-second#129075962

On the bolded, i am not sure i understand. I am assuming you are referring to Uriah's wife, Beersheba. You cannot put Uriah's wife and his master's (Saul) wife in the same category. Saul was dead at the time, but Uriah wasn't. In short, he sent Uriah to his death and took his wife. As someone said, one was adultery, you cannot say the same for the other if the man is dead.

If that's not what you are referring to please clarify.

And please stop using statements such as "You are Judas Iscariot". Are you trying to intimidate us? Make your points and support them, and stop blackmailing people to agree with it.

Please don't tell us what God meant. God means what he says. God said other things but he said that too. If God did not mean actual wives there would be no need to bring it up, and nothing in that suggests it was proverbial. Nathan was communicating a statement of fact from the Lord. The preceding statement of the story of the rich vs poor man was proverbial, and he explained it afterward.

Veecruz:
It is not a condition especially as the people were already a people living in sin and accustomed sin as a way of living. And this is the first time that it can be Said that God Told them, as all the messengers of God reminded them

Then, secondly, do you not see that it is only corrupt adulterers and fornicators (sinners) who zoom in on "master's wives" whereas God Said other things which clearly show that God meant conquership and promotion to the top, just like Joseph?

[b]As i asked all of them who say this, then why would God charge him for "taking the same wives of one of the wives you people say God gave him?[/b]

And no one has been to answer that.

You people fear God oh,. You are no different from Judas iscariot when you blaspheme God

That's a fair point. However, as a body, you should have short-term and long-term goals. The bolded could be a long-term goal, so that in about 10 years or so you could boast of a system producing decent coaches more frequently. Unfortunately, I do not believe the NFF cares about that. At least they haven't for as long as we have known them.

viccy12:
Can I ask you a question. Why are you so obsessed with foreign people ? Like white coaches , foreign born players etc ? These foreign players you are always clamoring for are they better than Nigerian players?

Shouldn't we be pressing the NFF to develop our league? Why is it that you always look for a stop gap solution instead of solving the whole problem?

Don't you think investing and developing our local league will put rest to all these problems with our national teams. Don't you have the ability to think for a second ? You are always here dragging our indigenous talents including coaches and players calling them corrupt as if you will do better if you find yourself in that position. For instance, you are barely 40yrs with a pot belly that look like you are pregnant! Who tha f..uck do you think you are. You are simply a white worshipped obese pu..nk

I am assuming you are referring to the Scholars. That interpretation is fair given the other instances when God permitted it. Wait I hope you are not saying 'if' means displeasure? Very strange interpretation. No, it doesn't, and not in that context. If simply means if. Conditional. And the condition necessary for marrying more than one wife is that he must be able to take care of them, which was clear in Exodus 21. For things that God hated he made his displeasure known. Yes God was handling a sinful people, and he rolled out a system of rules meant to guide them(Exodus through Deuteronomy). In the statement/context of some of those rules he clearly tells them, do not do this, do not do that. Also in 2 Samuel 12 vs 8, here we see God willfully admitting that he gave David his master's wives. If God does something, we do not have a choice but to agree he at least permits it.

Veecruz:
Do you not see that they are interpreting it that way because they wish it to be so?

Is lust confined only to kings? Is it not all men who fear not Good and lack understanding who lust for women?

The word "if" in Exodus 21, does it not already show God's Preference displeasure in taking another?

Can you not reasonably see that God was handling a people accustomed to committing sins and He was therefore, putting down stringent Judgment to ensure that just is and equity is given to a party suffering from the unlawful act of another, as a just Judge?

In that instance, i was referring to the many wives Solomon had(Not just more than one). David would be the more comparable example, but he had fewer wives. While troubles can emerge from monogamous marriages too, it doesn't mean monogamy was the cause. We certainly are exposed to the consequences of a host of other decisions, other than the type of marriage we choose or were born into. An example is the case of Jacob, Leah, and Rachel, and the strife that ensued. If you replace every polygamous marriage in the bible with a monogamous one hypothetically you would be eliminating certain elements that could stir up trouble. If a second wife had not come into the picture for Jacob, the risk of a potential cause of strife. Not that strife amongst children cannot happen even in monogamous relationships, but the chances go up with polygamy.

Besides I wasn't even arguing that Polygamy is a sin. I was only pointing out that the guy I mentioned chose a verse that could be ambiguous at least superficially, and restricted to kings, whereas there are other verses in which it seems God permitted it even for the common man that could afford it.

MiddleDimension:
Both for ''common men'' and for Kings, it is lawful and an honourble thing to have more than one wife.

You said you ''saw the effect of having more than one wife in the case of Solomon''. The question I ask is that: what effect does polygamy have in the life of David and Gideon? Also, can we have see the fact Cain killed Abel as the effect of monogamy too? What about Jacob and Essau? is what happened between them the impact of monogamy?

Actually, most scholars reasonably interpret this to mean that, do not have several wives. It doesn't include a few. Some translations do not use 'multiply', they use 'do not take many wives' instead. This is more specific to Kings, and we do see the result of marrying many wives in the case of Solomon. Meanwhile, God seemed to permit it in Exodus 21 vs 10, for the common man. I am assuming you knew this but ignored it.

Veecruz:
Deuteronomy 17:17, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away::

This proves that all who say God approves polygamy and does not condemn it are Liars and Devils and children of Satan!

As I usually say, you have a special kind of reasoning. I remember mentioning that there were seasons when Mikel was coming off the bench even though he wasn't injured. That's not the hallmark of a superstar. If you were never a top 20 player for at least three times in your prime you were never a superstar. And that standard is very generous. What was Mikel's highest Fifa ranking? Not under 20 oooo.

TheGoodJoe:
All you typed here did not counter my point.

Mikel lasted long because he was a Superstar. He was underrated because of a lot people watch football for just flair and running. Mikel brought more to the team tactically that running and flair won't.

Mikel got dropped some times but in the end, he always made it back to the team. Even before his departure from Chelsea, Conte still wanted him back.

Mikel was a Superstar player.

Finito.

What's wrong with you this man/woman? . "No player would last that long in Chelsea playing that regular without being a Superstar" Are you kidding me? Besides he wasn't always regular. There were seasons when he wasn't playing regularly. Sometimes he was brought in to see out a game. The man was Physical. He was a decent/good DM(i am being very generous with good), that's it. I remember when people used to insult him for his constant back passes(which was mainly the result of his inability to create). I sometimes like to argue that he could have been better if he developed as an 8. Well, we will never know. He was never a Superstar. Micheal Essien was a better DM, yet i would only go as far as saying he was a good/very good midfielder with some superstar performances.

TheGoodJoe:
Why was Mikel not a Super Star? In one of the best teams of the game in an era, he stood strong and regular. No player would have lasted that long in Chelsea playing that regular without being a Superstar.

There you go again, as usual. Building up to your 'they are stacked" narrative. .Luxury, based on history, or based on performance?

steady986:
I don't think you should look at Klay as the second option anymore. You have Kuminga who has been tearing it up lately. Podzeimski has turned it up too. Klay is now more or less a role player. And what a luxury it is to have Klay as a role player

You no fit actuate Tiki taka self. . We no get the personnel. But of course dem fit try am when we dey lead by 3 goals with 1 minute left.

charlesemeka85:
Screw ndi tiki taka and fancy football 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I don't believe so. Even though we ended up with a worse record in 2013, our group was tough. Zambia had won the previous tournament and B Faso was a really good team(By African standards). As was evident we both ended up in the finals. But to be fair there weren't many tournaments when we started well.

Samueltemi337:
Are you sure you watched 2013 AFCON?

We did worse than this in 2013 AFCON Group stage

All win na win. . Since Stephen Keshi, Nigeria has not been convincing in any tournament. Who knows, maybe we win this with at most a goal per game.

While this is true, and unfortunately History on average repeats itself, perhaps it's about time they stop giving fans, especially folks here High Blood Pressure.

Icon4s:
Egbon, we know you have followed Nigerian National team for so long to understand that we don't usually do well in friendlies leading to major tournaments. The result against Guinea has not changed my expectations for this team. It is not about blind patriotism. Forget about the recent set-backs, we know what this team is capable of.

Le fans as usual. Do you folks read before you comment? I was very clear that upsets do happen and i mentioned one example. But, most of the time the team the most star-studded team wins. So my bet is on 70% of the time. Meanwhile, a much better example you could have brought up was Mavericks vs Heat. . You deliberately forgot about it. No GOAT on a star-studded team would lose like that.

Cheers.

steady986:
Yea, like when the 2011 Mavericks swept my beloved Lakers in the WCSF. And like when the Heat beat Giannis and the Bucks multiple times. Like When the Heat beat the Celtics multiple times too. Like When the Nuggets beat the title favourites the Clippers in the bubble in 2020. Like When the Raptors with Kawhi as the lone superstar knocked out Embiid, Simmons and Jimmy Butler in 2019. Yea. Stars over team

I never knew Le fans could do some digging. So you get 5 points for that. Very surprised. You don't get all 10 points because you fail to realize that Vegas is not a good reference, it's a betting hub. Apart from Lebron fans, everyone else can reasonably guess that star power wins at least 70% of the time. You can have those upsets here and there, like the Pistons-Lakers series for example.

Some important history for the newer NBA fans here. In 2012, the Thunder were the odds on favourites to win the NBA finals vs the Heat. Contrary to popular belief that the Heat were on another lever to the Thunder because of their "big 3". This is what LeBron haters do. They make you believe that LeBron was favorite to win every Finals series he ever played. What they do is before every series, they talk crap about LeBron's chances of winning, and then when he goes on to win they say he was meant to win it anyway. Just like in 2012, just like in 2016 against the Warriors, just like in 2020 throughout the entire playoffs.

Everybody and their mama knows that Skip Bayless is a contrarian on anything Lebron, even for reasonable arguments. Only Lebron fans won't realize that Skip Bayless is not a person to bring up in this kind of conversation. Bad reference.

Do better, my friend. Do better.
[quote]Here's a video of Skip Bayless in high praise of KD and the Thunder just before game 1 of the 2012 Finals. We know how his stance has changed over the years about that Finals. I can swear he was the one that coined the phrase "Baby Thunder"

Not only were the Baby Thunder favored. But SAS & Skip sat up there saying it was KDs league lol

Skip even went all out to say KD was a “better distributor” & a “better leader” 😭 Never forget! https://t.co/NhikQEcWEr pic.twitter.com/dOZMFPB4GJ

— 4 4 4 (@SlimSleepr) December 28, 2023

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The most intelligent basketball player.

SmooshCHN:
This guy sha. I too like am.

It's interesting that this is coming from a fan of someone who won a bubble championship. You can't find any championship more unreal.

SmooshCHN:
I mean LeBron would have to have had real championships to begin with right? You can't give what you don't have.

That's what pisses everyone off. You know the team can be better but chooses not to.

Did anything happen? Ofcourse if GSW gets a good win nobody talks. . This team is very interesting though. Very unpredictable. I won't be surprised if dem meet Nuggets in the first round eliminate dem. The team has shades of "very good" and average at best. Many of their games have been close.

SmooshCHN:
This forum sha. Make I no talk.

Now i understand why some folks like to take their time to recount history, at least for the record. Only Le fans can say that "Lebron owns so so so players individually" and think it's a fantastic point. Unbelievable. . Even better, one of them does it after a regular season game. Such an exclusive bandwagon.

Cheers.

steady986:
It looks like LeBron owns KD and Steph individually

Oh no, a championship is a championship, that much is true, apart from the bubble one of course. . Just trying to tell you Lebron fans like yourself speak from both sides of their mouth. One time you tell us oh, coming back from 3-1 was an incredible feat, next time you tell us, then you turn around and ask others, how the heck did you go down? You lot are very interesting.

Cheers.

steady986:
You're still crying about the greatest championship in the history of basketball? Honestly, if it were my team that blew a 3-1 lead, I would never get over it

Good point. You know that reminds me, perhaps that can be applied to the "coming back from being down 3 1 in the NBA Finals" argument. How the heck did you go down 3-1 in the first place? You shouldn't have been. . Not special.

Cheers.

steady986:
Yea. I was wondering what they were doing for them to go down 23

Talk to your fellows ooo. Na too much soap opera and dem say dem say dey cause all this nonsense.

MyAmericandream:
Mexican Men? Make I no talk

Maybe you should think about this again. No, you are not entitled to anything. Exactly what men have been complaining about, 'entitlement'. Some men may do it, and that's fine, but that doesn't mean it's a given. At least not until we are married.

Goodlady:
To butress the op, Nigerian men lacked empathy. Empathy ll place them in the position of not questioning a lady that they are dating or married about finances, gifts, sex etc.
They don't realise that relationship is responsibility. They ll say what your father can't give you, you dey ask from me.
Why you come toast me (woo)?
As I come gree, am I not entitled to your resources?
They also lacked empathy of hurting their wives or female partners deliberately with cheating. They don't put themselves in women's shoe that how ll I feel if she's the one cheating?
Abeg make I no tok talk in order not to be misquoted. 😂 😂 😂😂😂😂😂💕💕😘😘😘😘😂
The violence is needed for cleansing of the minds of the reprobate dirty boys here that can't feed themselves but talk anyhow here against females.

Common, have mercy. . This is too much. No be me you dey follow talk but I felt it, thanks to that useless team.

andrewbaba44:
Ronaldo spend 10 years for Madrid I no cry ,na mbappe

Your club useless sotey you Dey lick Madrid anus wey no send you

You are already going the stoke city way while Barca will be Barca and keep winning trophies while you try to hide under Madrid.

Una open yansh for Qatari investors and they decided not to sell to them and you all are crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Useless club manure

Before them talk say na Nairaland fans vote abeg tell us which people vote.

Roland17:
They asked 100 people who they consider the GOAT of the NBA, those were their responses.

Officially? Evidence, please. I am talking about the NBA organization ooo, not NBA fans or commentators.

steady986:
The NBA still uses the title "World Champions". Which NBA have you been watching?