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A data is what you make of it. Maybe you don't get It, and it's ok, but the bone of contention is the weight assigned to different indices. Now the result that throws the analysis into the bin is the fact that Puskas is a greater player than Maradona.

TrebleChamp:
Oga do ya own mathematical or biological research that would put Messi top, using verifiable data like the Prof did. Until then Ronaldo is officially the G.O.A.T

Statistics may be applicable, but it is incredibly hard to be umbiased, especially in the proper assignment of weights to each index. We can certainly judge a measure by its results. A method that places Puskas above Maradona is wack. It looks like the measure cared more about ranking Messi and Ronaldo than producing an actual ranking.

And no mathematics is not life. However we are thankful that it is incredibly useful.

odizeey:
Mathematics is life.

Football has to do with calculations.

Please does anyone know if one can enrol in the BA in Yoruba language online and take all lessons and exams online?

En, are you ok? Which kain manipulation. You see person wife dey freestyle with another man, you say manipulation. Nothing person no go hear for nairaland.

saphiere:
She was manipulated. The guy tricked her.

National team football just different, see Pogba. Abi na Premier league just too fast.

Benzema balliing.

Is there any Nigerian team that has never had a lot of work to do? Remind me please.

humility33:
Don't be carried away bro
This team has lot of work to do

Besides oshimen we dont have strikers

This moffi seems like club wonder but when it gets play for Nigeria he play as if he is on holiday

This game was simply Nigeria and Village people vs Cape Verde. Na this one Yoruba dey see, wey dem dey take talk say "Ayele" .I don't understand how the Cape Verdeans could have survived the principalities.

You will never see dem coming. So be in spirit.

wayodude:
But I didn't know Cape Verde people sef get village people lol

You no go thank your stars say Village people finally locate that Cape Verdean.

JohnBullMySon:
I was so relaxed in the Match right from the conceded goal.

Na now you know? yet our folks will have us believe he's better than Uzoho.

carbonado:
Okoye naa suspect o..

Be in spirit, village people are always on the look out. . Wetin that Cape verdean dey think? That kind of assist doesn't happen often.

Those boys wey want Bruno for inside selfie must be Manchester united fan. Dem no wan wait to join queue at the end of the match.

[quote author=peacettw post=105543244][/quote]First bolded:Now infertility is not so common a problem, yet you can blame it as the reason why women bring home kids of other men? What is your problem? It's not a problem, yet you won't let us rest on the matter. You are just all over the place.
Second bolded: Are you kidding me, do you know how many couples you can find in a million, about a fourth. That's 125000 couples. The western world today has access to a much higher sample size which are collected from different demographics and regions. I cannot fault their study though, you can only report what you have access to. Others could join in, and the sample size grows, perhaps our picture becomes clearer as time goes by.

After writing up quite a piece in reply to your rather lengthy post, I deleted it since I suspect that you will probably only do same. Before I start, please note that a sample size of 314 is not small especially when it concerns infertility which is not so common a problem. As long as the power to detect type 2 error and p value were fully accounted for, the sample size is very sufficient. This also means that whatever outcomes were derived from a sample size of 314 will probably be the same for a million subjects.

Now from the few articles that I had posted earlier,the facts remain clear:
Nobody is refuting this. And neither am I.

1. Women bear the full brunt of negative societal consequences when faced with issues concerning infertility in their marriages.

What is wrong with you lady? Doesn't the second article titled Epidemiology of infertility: social problems of the infertile couple mention that the contributing male factor to infertility is as high as 20-40%? Or are we reading different articles? Either you don't know how to draw reasonable conclusions from an article or you are just being dishonest.

2. In most cases of infertility, men are largely responsible and this is not including the fact that most men refuse to get these tests done in the first place.

Perhaps research is not forte, and it seems this is rather too much for you. None of the papers even remotely suggests infertility is a reason for paternal discrepancy, talkless of use "major". You have no idea what you are talking about. The major cause of paternal discrepancy is that women get pregnant outside willfully, and refuse to disclose it. You don't seem to know how to judge the difference between primary reasons, secondary reasons and remote reasons and that's rather sad.

3. In any marriage where paternal discrepancy exists, infertility is observed to be a major determinant.

Are you suggesting that the procedures for DNA testing currently being administered are not in accordance with laid down rules and regulations. Why are you refusing to think about your points, madam? What the heck is this point even doing here.

4. It is very unethical to demand for mandatory DNA testing without well laid down rules and regulations to guide the process especially as it concerns the rights of the child in question.

Future paternity issues? What problem can there be with paternity confirmation if the testing can pull it out of our biology. DNA testing resolves the issue. Case closed. DNA testing is the measure that's been put in place. You don't get to tell us about the consequences of paternity dispute, when you can't tell us the child is not ours in the first place. Nonsense.

5. If such a rule should therefore exist, measures must be put in place to avoid future paternity disputes and in turn the catastrophic consequences associated with it.

No, demand for the test before marriage comes into the question. And end it when there's a problem. Not that i don't agree with mandatory screening for everyone, but it's not the cause of the problem. It is rather unfortunate that only women can carry a living consequence of their infertility, but it is what it is.

6. One of such measures should include the mandatory screening of both men and women to ensure their viability. If any is found to be infertile, alternative options to get a baby should be proferred or they can decide to end the relationship.

If you cannot even determine which reasons are primary, i doubt this is something you can do. Besides adultery has been with us for a long time. The only solution to it is for couples to willfully abstain from it. They need to exercise self-control and that's only within their power not in a powerful suggestion you think you can offer. Stop fantasizing over the abilities you don't have.

7. On issues concerning adultery, I have a lot of ways that can be handled but I doubt if that will sit down well with you so I will refrain from writing them out.

I suppose I ended up writing up a storm afterall. Oh well, it couldn't be helped. Do read my posts carefully this time before replying please. I suspect that you don't since your posts reveal that you rely quite heavily on evasive tactics to arrive at conclusions that aren't at all clear.

We are practically the only two persons left on this page. If we insist on stubbornly continuing this tête-à-tête, let's at least make it fun and easy to comprehend.

You've got a lot to learn. You accuse me of using evasive tactics? Something you have been quilty of from word go? By the way i am on the offensive here. You are the one jumping into absurd conclusions. You may be able to write, but you are clearly punching above your weight here.

Now you are speaking a language i can relate to. But sadly you don't have a point here.
In the first paper a number of infertile couples were evaluated for the category of infertility. I do not know how this helps your case here. Other than identify the categories of fertility and their prevalence amongst the tested sample. A sample size of 314 is rather too small.

I suppose you are appealing to the claim by the author that infertility causes marital disharmony, which often leads to divorce. First of infertility can be found in both men and women, so it cannot be put on men alone, although i agree that the age-long tradition of blaming fertility on women doesn't hold water in this age give our increasing ability to probe deep into our biology. The author of the second paper also mentioned that studies shows that men are responsible for 20-40% of problems of infertility, in which case the extreme of it, which is 40% still points to the fact that women are mostly responsible for infertility.

And you lied, and i am not surprised. It's become a normal thing. Only two cases can be attributed to adulterous activities by the men. As in Mr C and D. Two of the cases were attributed to promiscuous activities by the woman, and another pseudopregnancy.

And please stop the bullshit. The discussion here is not adultery. We both agree both men and women do it. And on the issue of paternity discrepancy, when men have kids outside as a consequence of adulterous activities, it goes without saying that the wife is not the biological mother. In the opposite situation where women do the going out, it's not always clear, who the father is, but most of the women at least know that the husband is not the father.

Let's go over this again, unless i am not getting you correctly you claim that infertility is largely responsible for women bringing kids from outside. Now that's a claim you have been unable to back. My point is you cannot make such a claim, especially, you cannot use the word most. Quite terrible a take. I can only see this as avoidance. That you would even think infertility is mostly responsible for the alarming fact that women bring kids fathered by other men under the roof of their spouses without informing them is quite strange. More like grasping at straws and hoping it would stick. It's no different from the issue of the switching of babies at birth. I mean how many, how many of such cases are there today? Maybe tomorrow you will come and tell us that the methodology for paternity testing is not correct.

My point is the issue of infertility amongst men and the refusal to get tested is a rather remote reason for paternity fraud, especially in the face of the fact that infertility is higher amongst women and the fact that women decide to get pregnant outside is a willing one(Nobody forced you). Take responsibility. Stop getting pregnant outside and tell your hard-headed husbands to get tested before you marry them. I cannot comment on adultery. May God help us. And again they are not the same. I cannot invest everything of mine into a kid that's not mine, unknowingly. Let the man decide if he wants to bring up the kid, even though he/she is not his. By not telling him you have wickedly taken the opportunity away from him. That is rather simple. But well becos you lot keep running riot emotionally, you would rather complicate everything.

I understand that you lot are naturally emotional, which i would normally understand, but you have been telling us you want equality. Demanding it actually. This means i am allowed to not pity you for being too emotional with your takes. You want to be as educated and as powerful, so I expect the same level of intensity from you.

peacettw:
I understand. You don't think both are one and the same. Again, I beg to disagree. Allow me to share some original articles that support what I had earlier suspected all along

1. High prevalence of male infertility in southeastern Nigeria
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=Infertility+in+couples+nigeria#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DewfD6YhUvP0J

2. Epidemiology of infertility: social problems of the infertile couples
https://www.ajol.info/index.php/wajm/article/view/27946

3. The social meaning of infertility in Southwest Nigeria
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Infertility+in+couples+nigeria&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3Dv0toMxJm5MMJ

4. Cases of Paternity Discrepancy in a Nigerian Tertiary Hospital
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Dna+testing+children+marriage+Nigeria&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DeGM6s8ktcNAJ

Interestingly, there are very few studies on paternal discrepancy and its causes in Nigeria. The 4th link, which was the only article I found, observed that out of the 6 cases witnessed, 4 were due to the men's adulterous activities. Of the 2 remaining, one of the women did it cos of infertility related issues and the other to adultery.


And yes i am focusing on the women. You cannot avoid telling a man his kids do not actually belong to him, especially if he's invested in them. Your link between infertility amongst men to paternal discrepancy is at best weak, and could be easily seen as disjointed. Tell the men that the kid is not his. Tell him that you went outside because he refused to do a fertility test, and live with the consequences. And stop finding the problem of the problem of the problem, aimlessly. A large proportion of Nigerians couples(both men and women) don't go for fertility tests, even today So i do not know how the fertility of men became the focus, when they a

So you see, this matter is rather complex. You seem to focus all your energy on the wife and her abominable ways, while in truth, it stretches far beyond that. To repeat myself yet again, the solution to address one of the root problems of paternal discrepancy as it concerns the wives (since that's where your righteous anger is channelled towards) is to ensure that all men go for fertility tests before marriage. It's unclear to me at the moment how adultery can be curbed in marriages particularly for our married men.

I look forwards to your next submission

Yeah McTom should be in the mix, i am probably just not used to talking about them separately. . He better take this chance and morph himself into someone indispensable. But well he completes the binary so saying he's indispensable right now is certainly not an exaggeration, at least until further notice.

GloryIsaac:
Honestly, there’s no one in that United team that’s giving off good DM vibes, except Matic who is a natural.

After watching what Fred went through against Wolves, confidence in VDB or Lindelof as a DM nosedived.

Reason is, Fred is very active on the pitch, an engine. So if he had to undergo such torture, imagine what will happen to VDB or Lindelof who are way more reserved players

Maybe VDB can be tested in the cup games sha.. way I see it, McTom might be the one to lock down that spot this season.

Bolded: You cannot suggest a solution to a problem that has not been confirmed. You keep pointing to infertility when we do not have enough data to ascertain if it's the major cause of the problem. I want to learn. Provide information that i can digest, and stop giving life to problems, we are not sure are there. I find it puzzling that you cannot understand this. Let's deal with the problems as they come. Adultery is one thing, and i am in no place to judge anyone, as in may God help us all. Both men and women are involved in this. I am not covering up for my gender. But making a man believe he's bringing up his own kid, when his biological father is somewhere else is wickedness. I fear you for putting the two on the same footing. You have in your own way tried to sweep the details under the umbrella of adultery, and ofcourse that would water down the severity of the problem. Good one by you. You have skillfully evaded the point. Now you keep hammering on the point that, you know that most men will hardly ever agree. Then end it. Why are you bend on giving yourself unnecessary headache, that might set up a chain of reactions that would likely cause explosion in the future? Why una dey like court wahala? Demand for it. Very simple. Madam, it doesn't seem we are living in the same reality. Your points are rather not useful, i am sorry to say that.

peacettw:
If it were that simple, then I would not have bothered going down this route. You know that most men will hardly ever agree to test their virility, and to be frank I don't know of anyone that has done so in the part of the country that I live in.

As for adultery, I don't have any solutions to that. Noone does. I don't understand why people who practice adultery won't be decent enough to use protection. It boggles the mind. And that goes for both men and women.

But be it as it may, if this act is primarily due to infertility which we can't tell anyway until it is throughly studied, then there is a clear solution to that which is what I am simply advocating for.

I was just compelled to do a mini literature review to see if indeed infertility is rampant in our society and I was right. Male related factors contributed significantly to infertility issues seen between couples and I bet that the negative effects of this will include the women been forced to sleep with other men in other to have children. Go figure

Ole's indecision on matters like this is a problem. But i would be wicked to judge a man fighting for his life undergee. . Common CDM we no fit get, but when news of Ronaldo going to Man City(which i feel was probably a dummy), Man Utd craze go get am. I repeat again, he fit try Hannibal for cup games make we see how him fit handle that role, the transition , or just play VDB, let's see what he does. But well Ole for fear of failure, or perhaps the fear that when we start to lose, especially because of experimentation, we may go downhill from there. Perhaps an indication that his confidence is not yet up there. But i will give him this, for a manager trying to build his resume at such a big stage, in which case it was handed to him on a platter, not that he previously had an incredible resume to deserve it, caution is something he must constantly lean on. A very difficult position to be in. I wish he could just damn it , and play VDB. But of course you know our people, if we lose they won't care if he was trying to plug that hole, it can only mean one thing; He's clueless and incompetent.

GloryIsaac:
Transfer window has closed. We have to make with what we have.

It’s not wise to see your midfield being overrun like that and not have an answer to it.

Wolves had a 2.25xG. In ideal circumstances, they should have won by at least 3 goals.

McTom should return, so we continue with McFred abeg

The most important solution as the case we are currently discussing suggests is that you should advise your fellow women to tell their spouses if any of their kids is another man's. if he accepts, fine, if he doesn't, live with the consequences. The virility matter is very simple, before you marry a man ask him to get tested and check it yourself, before you advance to marriage. Very simple stuff. It is rather insincere of you to anchor the problem ontop another matter. A woman carry another man pikin give him spouse, you come they bring virility matter. Common.

peacettw:
Unfortunately I can't stop it. You are entitled to your own opinions just like I am entitled to mine. It's arrogant to assume that yours reign supreme.

And to think that all I have been seeking is a solution to curb this while all you do is to rehash ur own views with no clear mitigations in sight. The question still remains, how do we stop this from ever occurring?

I have proffered my solution which is to ensure that all men go for fertility tests. What is your solution to the rampant adultery?

Come up with a way? Perhaps tell Pogba to help? . Many brothers complained: Play one of them, play one of them. He only has one formation Brownian midfield, yenyenyen. Well you now know that's not an option.

GloryIsaac:
They actually targeted him intentionally. After the first wave of attack, they spotted him as the weak point and kept exploiting it.

Olé should have come up with a way to stop it but his in-game management needs some tutoring from Fergie.

DNA mismatches? How do you mean? Just use a more relatable term. Pertanity Fraud and stop using words you don't quite understand. Please provide facts that suggests most cases are secondary to infertility. How many of our people even conduct virility tests? As i know women are quick to run their mouth, i would think if their spouses have indeed been confirmed impotent, that would be the first thing they mention if matters of the paternity fraud are brought up, but that's not the case. So it's either men do not get tested, or test potent, and in the case of the former there's no evidence to show that in most cases men are virile, so your "most cases are secondary to infertility is quite misleading. Stop that shit. Besides as someone suggested this very case indicates the other children are his, so this is a bad place to bring up the case of virility. When the data reflects that most men are virile as you are suggesting, then we will revisit the matter, otherwise stop this attitude of suggesting an alternative cause is mostly responsible for a problem that clearly tells us something else.

peacettw:
Again with the irate comments, can you categorically say that most cases are due to adultery? If that's true then your comments are in order.

My opinion which clearly differs from yours is that most cases are secondary to infertility. To address any public health problem, one must first address the prevalent cause of it. I am offering solution to what I perceive to be the prevalent cause of these DNA mismatches.

You can offer yours as well but it doesn't mean you get to shoot all ideas down

Be careful. How many cases of that are out there?

UndauntedYOCA:
We act as if babies don't get switched at birth either intentionally or not.
Some nurses have confessed to having done that whilst they worked, some midwives and nurses are crazy. They even sell babies to women who have lost their kids or want gender change because those women were either scared of what their husband's or in-laws' reactions would be.
Infidelity is not the sole cause of paternity fraud or whatever you want to call it in the society.
Sometimes I wish some men could get pregnant sha.

Ah, but infidelity is going outside. Do you understand yourself at all?

descarado:
Some have zero sperm count yet they marry.
Tell them to go to the hospital for all round check, they will blow hot.
Meanwhile, MIL and her coven is on your case.
Give us grandchild or my son will marry another woman. You will be labelled barren.
So many ladies out there had no child cos husbands refused to seek medical help or open up.
Women have resorted to safeguarding their marriage the other way round.
When we look at what drives women to have kids from outside, infidelity is at the bottom.

Common, those folks playing for Costa Rica are market women.

birdman:
One one hand, I feel like team USA should have chilled and kept the score respectable. On the other hand, I see Costa Rica going a whole quarter without scoring. You can suck so much, no one can save you what a disgrace

The internet never forgets.

steady986:
Classic Skip Bayless

You have all told us that he better win a trophy this season, which is fair. If i have 1000 naira and i decide to place all of it on a position, and you tell me history takes the route of the opposite position, i would reconsider my bet, maybe not go forward with it, or hedge my bets. Certainly, we can check history for the number of cases where a manager won without a CDM, even recently. If that has happened even 10% of the time, then I'll reconsider my position on the importance of a CDM to a winning team. Very simple.

ChristoBam:
I don't understand the obsession with you guys and finding holes(excuses) for Ole.

We claim we need a CDM but according to Fabrizio, we have an 18 years old Camavinga as first choice and Saul as second choice. Confirmed by other tier one reporters as well. Not of those guys are CDMs and I doubt they can thrive as one. None of them might even be able to bench either of Fred or Mctominay.

So what's with the CDM excuse when Ole doesn't even want one.

You win. . You had the last laugh.

Oasis007:


Hope you enjoy the something.

You are not following. The point was he is very predictable offensively, but that man thought bringing up his exploits offensively would help us understand his greatness as a defender. Next time if you don't get a point, ask questions. Very simple stuffs.
With Sancho only time will tell. We have seen someone with similar G and A from the same team fall below expectations. We can only hope history does not repeat itself.
And as for your last sentence, i am not sure what you mean here. As in "i knew something was off about this guy". You come here and make statements like this to create an impression that you are smart. Nobody cares about it. The last time i checked some people were dragging you on some of your opinions on Fred. Whenever you want to reply someone, address their point directly and stop making condescending remarks. You do not know who some of us here are outside this forum.

eph12:
So Maguire is not quality because he drives the ball with the outside of his foot? Na wa o

Even Sancho is not quality too? I knew something was off about this guy but afro doc won't let us hear word

In 2015/2016 season, his last year at BVB before he left, Mkhitaryan totaled 31 Gs and As. You should have checked the stats instead of the usual uninformed "I'm sure blablabla" .Although he dipped the following year, Sancho averaged 34 contributions in the 2019/20 season(his maximum). Are those totals any close? Bear in mind i was actually referring to their performances the season before they joined Man Utd. And although, yes we have had good players from lower-rated teams, history tells us you may want to be careful with respect to looking at those numbers, and Mkhitaryan is one example, especially becos he came from the same team. A player who was great in Bundesliga may turn out not so good in the premier league. So no, the word good is not necessarily universal. In the case of Sancho, although i would rather not be the bearer of bad news, i think he will not be anywhere impressive. I would like to be wrong and only time will terll.

ChristineC:
farmer league or not, if you are good you are good.
we've had very good players from lower rated leagues like Park, Rafael, Nani and Vidic.
I'm sure Mkhitaryan G/A in Germany is nowhere near Sancho @ 21.

One thing is certain, proper football analysis and Chelsea fans should not be in the same sentence. Maguire is the most expensive CB and England number 1 CB, so what? How much do those speak to his quality? One of the most expensive CBs in the world? Is that his job as a CB? You mean the defender that constantly drives the ball with the outside of his foot? Continue. You mean Sancho that was playing in Bundesliga? A farmer's league? Who gives a shit about whether he's 21? History has shown us some players start out promising but then fade into the horizon before they can even get to their prime. Ofcourse Chelsea fans don't know that. Do you know Mkhitaryan's G and A totals at BVB before he joined Man Utd? Man Utd has the best tacking right back? Does that amount to being the best right back? A player that constantly takes himself out of position, and is almost a liability offensively? Unless ofcourse there's no traffic. Say something else, or you stop talking about issues you cannot properly argue or you go back to your page and discuss with your fellows.

BlueAngel444:
Most of the players there are average in ability, the issue is that they work as a team


Compared to united that has EPL best lb, a serial winning CB, best tackling RB, one of the greatest footballers ever in Ronaldo, Sancho at 21 has as many in G&A stats as Neymar and Mbappe at that age. Paul is better than Saul, and a world cup winner. De Gea has been one of the best GKs, Bruno is the best AM in the world. Maguire is the most expensive CB and England number 1 CB, one of the most offensive CBs in the game.

@Oasis007 come and see something.

What are you talking about man? Work out something? Are you kidding me? Convert either Fred or McTominay to a natural DM perhaps? Or play without one, and lose, so that ofcourse you can tell us you have been right all along? Or play with both of them which leaves us short of one central midfielder? Perhaps you can highlight the fact that Pogba cannot defend to save his life. Maybe worrying about playing both McTominay and Fred will no longer be necessary then. Besides does his pay include turning midfielders who are just average even for their natural positions into good defensive midfielders? Explain, please.

patrickmuf:
Tuchel is managing Rudiger...Remember when we used to troll Rudiger by saying he wears timberland shoes? What has changed? In fact, what new addition did Tuchel add to that Chelsea defense that was leaking goals?

Tuchel has found a system that hides their deficiencies in defense. Ole should work out something for our midfield, let him earn his pay.