The truth constantly stares many in the face, but they would rather hang on to centuries-old falsehood like the trinity or a belief in a triune God. This post is for those who wish to investigate their bibles in search for the truth about God.
Please consider this, carefully.



If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)

3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12)

4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)

5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?

6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)

7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?

8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)

9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)

10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?

11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)

12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)

13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)

14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)

15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)

16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)

17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)

18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)

19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)

20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28)

21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)

22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)

23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)

24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)

25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV

26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)

27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)

28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)

29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)

30. Then how can he be God's image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)

31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)

32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)

33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)

34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"

35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?

36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)

37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)

38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)

39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)

40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)

41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)

42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)

43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)

44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)

45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)

46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)

47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)
48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)

49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)

50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)

52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.

54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.

If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...

1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?

2. Then why would Jews instructed in the Old Testament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)

3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?

4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?

5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?

8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?

9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?

10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?

11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?

12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?

13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?

14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?

If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that
"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?

Janosky:

Point 1:
1 John 5:7 is a FRAUD peculiar to the KJV.
Why you dey use FRAUD dey support FRAUD?
Please go and research "Johanine comma"

Point 2:
John 20:22.
….” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Bros, Jesus breathed holy spirit on his followers, Can God be breathed upon a man ?

Trinity is a man made FRAUD.

Trinity is a 3rd century pagan corruption of Christianity

Janosky:

Point 1:
1 John 5:7 is a FRAUD peculiar to the KJV.
Why you dey use FRAUD dey support FRAUD?
Please go and research "Johanine comma"

Point 2:
John 20:22.
….” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Bros, Jesus breathed holy spirit on his followers, Can God be breathed upon a man ?

Trinity is a man made FRAUD.

Trinity is a 3rd century pagan corruption of Christianity

DiegoMaria:
There is unity in the trinity and there is the trinity in unity

Sorry not enough. It's so unintelligible, the explanations trinitarians give. Tell us how this is possible.

Templee333:
PREFACE TO THIS STORY
I thank everyone who followed my previous stories thoroughly. I hope u learned a thing or two by reading them. Here I want u all to know BCS wasn't the begining of everything. It was after my effort to find the biblical God in other christian denominations had yielded no result that i started to look elswhere.I want to narate a story that i believe will be an eye opener to a lot of people.I left the JW society at the age of 22. After releasing all my effort into the only organization i believed was the "truth",i came to realize that i've been lied to. If u are a faithful Jw reading this,please kindly get out because it is an apostate thread & it's not good for ur blind faith. But if u are a JW who is trying hard to believe the bulshits u r being fed in the organization,stay here & see how ur already weary faith extinguishes in a short time. Unlike the other stories,i am 100% sure of anything i'l tell u here abt the JWs. This is templee333 apostate network FM, DONT TOUCH THE DIAL...

Satan is a master of deception. He is a con-man, the greatest in the art. He is strongly opposed to anyone who finds the road to life. For the others who wallow in darkness, he makes sure they're as blind as a Carmel in a dust storm.

Satan has a strong hold on this world. Philosophies, attitudes, lifestyles and opinions are all under his control. Anyone who decides to worship God the right way will be swimming upstream, a difficult task, but possible with God help.

Many watchers have said that with the advent of the internet, the number of Jehovah's witnesses will greatly reduce. In their thinking, the internet will help in a large scale to expose secrets about the organization to it's members and many will leave in droves. This hasn't happened as they have envisaged. There has been a marked increase in the number of publishers with Nigeria's figure now above 330,000.
I'm 33, i was raised a witness and I've been an elder since 2015...there were times when I was greatly discouraged, when I saw conflict, envy and brazzen conduct among Christian brothers...those times I sat down alone and asked myself, "is it worth the effort I put in?" Those times, I was encouraged by reading about Jesus letters to the 7 congregations in Rev 2:1-17. The first century congregations had issues, issues that could make anyone take some steps back and ask if God was leading them. Some of these issues were so big, Jesus had to send them a message. But one thing was true, they had Gods backing.

I think if you're honest to yourself, you'd acknowledge that no Christian group exist today that follows the bible's direction and standard as Jehovah's witnesses. Jehovah's witnesses have all the errors of the first century Christian congregation, and they also have Gods backing.

Do not allow the arrogant and independent thinking of this world to cause you to overlook the blessings you have enjoyed by being raised in the truth....many would give anything for that position.
Today, in many respects, I'm ahead of my peers in the world and I have the knowledge which leads to everlasting life. It's a privilege you have, don't waste it.

Templee333:
PREFACE TO THIS STORY
I thank everyone who followed my previous stories thoroughly. I hope u learned a thing or two by reading them. Here I want u all to know BCS wasn't the begining of everything. It was after my effort to find the biblical God in other christian denominations had yielded no result that i started to look elswhere.I want to narate a story that i believe will be an eye opener to a lot of people.I left the JW society at the age of 22. After releasing all my effort into the only organization i believed was the "truth",i came to realize that i've been lied to. If u are a faithful Jw reading this,please kindly get out because it is an apostate thread & it's not good for ur blind faith. But if u are a JW who is trying hard to believe the bulshits u r being fed in the organization,stay here & see how ur already weary faith extinguishes in a short time. Unlike the other stories,i am 100% sure of anything i'l tell u here abt the JWs. This is templee333 apostate network FM, DONT TOUCH THE DIAL...

Satan is a master of deception. He is a con-man, the greatest in the art. He is strongly opposed to anyone who finds the road to life. For the others who wallow in darkness, he makes sure they're as blind as a Carmel in a dust storm.

Satan has a strong hold on this world. Philosophies, attitudes, lifestyles and opinions are all under his control. Anyone who decides to worship God the right way will be swimming upstream, a difficult task, but possible with God help.

Many watchers have said that with the advent of the internet, the number of Jehovah's witnesses will greatly reduce. In their thinking, the internet will help in a large scale to expose secrets about the organization to it's members and many will leave in droves. This hasn't happened as they have envisaged. There has been a marked increase in the number of publishers with Nigeria's figure now above 330,000.
I'm 33, i was raised a witness and I've been an elder since 2015...there were times when I was greatly discouraged, when I saw conflict, envy and brazzen conduct among Christian brothers...those times I sat down alone and asked myself, "is it worth the effort I put in?" Those times, I was encouraged by reading about Jesus letters to the 7 congregations in Rev 2:1-17. The first century congregations had issues, issues that could make anyone take some steps back and ask if God was leading them. Some of these issues were so big, Jesus had to send them a message. But one thing was true, they had Gods backing.

I think if you're honest to yourself, you'd acknowledge that no Christian group exist today that follows the bible's direction and standard as Jehovah's witnesses. Jehovah's witnesses have all the errors of the first century Christian congregation, and they also have Gods backing.

Do not allow the arrogant and independent thinking of this world to cause you to overlook the blessings you have enjoyed by being raised in the truth....many would give anything for that position.
Today, in many respects, I'm ahead of my peers in the world and I have the knowledge which leads to everlasting life. It's a privilege you have, don't waste it.

Templee333:
PREFACE TO THIS STORY
I thank everyone who followed my previous stories thoroughly. I hope u learned a thing or two by reading them. Here I want u all to know BCS wasn't the begining of everything. It was after my effort to find the biblical God in other christian denominations had yielded no result that i started to look elswhere.I want to narate a story that i believe will be an eye opener to a lot of people.I left the JW society at the age of 22. After releasing all my effort into the only organization i believed was the "truth",i came to realize that i've been lied to. If u are a faithful Jw reading this,please kindly get out because it is an apostate thread & it's not good for ur blind faith. But if u are a JW who is trying hard to believe the bulshits u r being fed in the organization,stay here & see how ur already weary faith extinguishes in a short time. Unlike the other stories,i am 100% sure of anything i'l tell u here abt the JWs. This is templee333 apostate network FM, DONT TOUCH THE DIAL...

Satan is a master of deception. He is a con-man, the greatest I,n the art. He is strongly opposed to anyone who finds the road to life. For the others who wallow in darkness, he makes sure they're as blind as a Carmel in a dust storm.

Satan has a strong hold on this world. Philosophies, attitudes, lifestyles and opinions are all under his control. Anyone who decides to worship God the right way will be swimming upstream, a difficult task, but possible with God help.

Many watchers have said that with the advent of the internet, the number of Jehovah's witnesses will greatly reduce. In their thinking, the internet will help in a large scale to expose secrets about the organization to it's members and many will leave in droves. This hasn't happened as they have envisaged. There has been a marked increase in the number of publishers with Nigeria's figure now above 330,000.
I'm 33, i was raised a witness and I've been an elder since 2015...there were times when I was greatly discouraged, when I saw conflict, envy and brazzen conduct among Christian brothers...those times I sat down alone and asked myself, "is

Hey Y'all why the hate of JW's?

These are Sincere, Peace loving and law abiding people who strive to live by Bible standards.

BIBLESPEAKS:
Any information about FIRS appointment letter?

when will the next batch be issued?

Please I will appreciate if someone with credible information responds asap. Thank you.

So nobody wants to inform us? I'm still waiting for a reliable information regarding this.

Any information about FIRS appointment letter?

when will the next batch be issued?

Please I will appreciate if someone with credible information responds asap. Thank you.

Apination:

God didn't call his name in Latin and the Hebrew writers didn't have the name written in the scroll correctly, so that it may not be called since God had warned them not to use his name in vain. The name of God was called once a year and by the High priest only. so whatever was translated was an error or a hybrid name.

The Hebrew word for God’s name in the form of the Tetragrammaton appears some 7,000 times in the Bible. This suggests that God's name is very important in the worship of him, God delights in his name being used as it sets him apart. God himself inspired Bible writers to use his name thousands of times, and he directs those who worship him to use his name. (Isaiah 42:8; Joel 2:​32; Malachi 3:​16; Romans 10:13) In fact, God condemned false prophets who tried to make people forget his name.​—Jeremiah 23:27.

That being said, Hebrew writers had God's name written in the scroll correctly. Ancient Hebrew was written without vowels, using only consonants. The Hebrew-speaking reader could easily provide the appropriate vowels. The four letters יהוה (YHWH) appeared as God's name in the Hebrew scroll. After the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) were completed, some Jews adopted the superstitious belief that it was wrong to utter God’s personal name. When they read aloud a scripture that contained God’s name, they substituted expressions such as “Lord” or “God.” As centuries passed, this superstition spread and the ancient pronunciation was eventually lost. So the exact pronunciation of the divine name in ancient Hebrew is not known. Some feel that the divine name was pronounced “Yahweh,” while others suggest different possibilities. A Dead Sea Scroll containing a portion of Leviticus in Greek transliterates the name Iao. Early Greek writers also suggest the pronunciations Iae, I·a·beʹ, and I·a·ou·eʹ, but none of these can be proved to be the pronunciation used in ancient Hebrew.

Today, having the tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), we have all we need to pronounce God's name by adding the vowels to make it pronounceable (something which has been necessitated by the absence of vowels in the ancient Hebrew language). The form “Jehovah” has a long history in the English language, first appearing in William Tyndale’s Bible translation of 1530. If you study the relationship between the languages Latin - JHVH and English, you would come to see how inputting vowel letters resulted in "JEHOVAH".

Some argue that the divine name should not be used in the Bible because it is not known exactly how to pronounce it in Hebrew. This line of reasoning assumes that God expects people who speak different languages to pronounce his name identically. However, the Bible indicates that God’s worshippers in the past who spoke different languages pronounced proper names differently.
Consider, for example, the Israelite judge Joshua. First-century Christians who spoke Hebrew would have pronounced his name Yehoh·shuʹaʽ, while those who spoke Greek would have said I·e·sousʹ. The Bible records the Greek translation of Joshua’s Hebrew name, showing that Christians followed the sensible course of using the form of proper names common in their language.​—Acts 7:​45; Hebrews 4:8.
The same principle can be applied to translating the divine name. Far more important than the exact pronunciation chosen is that God’s name be given its rightful place in the Bible.


PS: Jehovah is the true God of the Bible, the Creator of all things. (Revelation 4:​11) The prophets Abraham and Moses worshipped him, as did Jesus. (Genesis 24:27; Exodus 15:1, 2; John 20:17) He is the God, not just of one people, but of “all the earth.”​—Psalm 47:2.
Jehovah is God’s unique name as revealed in the Bible. (Exodus 3:​15; Psalm 83:18) It comes from a Hebrew verb that means “to become,” and a number of scholars suggest that the name means “He Causes to Become.” This definition well fits Jehovah’s role as the Creator and the Fulfiller of his purpose. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) The Bible also helps us to know the Person behind the name Jehovah, especially his dominant quality of love.—Exodus 34:5-7; Luke 6:35; 1 John 4:8.

Apination:

Jehovah is not the name of God. There's nowhere throughout history where God referred to himself as such. Before you quote me to defend yourself, make a research on it.

Jehovah (/dʒɪˈhoʊvə/) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible[1] and one of the seven names of God in Judaism.
Below, is the name "Jehovah" at Exodus 6:3
(1611 King James Version)

sunshine1974:
So even JH don dey release prophecy? I only know them as intelligent fellows who do not believe so much in spirituality.

Please don't use this prophecy thing to spoil JH biko. Let them continue with their way of doing things.

It's the awake magazine quoting a science journal. The words ain't coming from the writers of the awake! The science journal quoted by the awake made logical calculations as to when and where the virus will appear.

JW's do not believe they are inspired prophets, they do not foretell events. They have faith in the inspired prophecies recorded in the Bible.

Bacteriologist:


Do you have faith that whatever you throw up will come down? If your answer to that is NO then everything you wrote up there is complete nonsense.





No, quite the contrary. The more confidence we have in things. the less faith is required to believe in them.

I'm sure you do not have faith that when you put your leg on dry ground you're not going to sink. That is because every single time you put your leg on the ground it supports you.

You do not need faith to accept that when you put your hand in water your hand gets wet. Because EVERY SINGLE time you put your hand into water your hand gets soiled.

You do not need faith for things that are unassailably consistent. Because you have an incredible level of confidence in those things.

So we only need faith for things that cannot be demonstrated to warrant such levels of confidence as the above.

I do have faith that whatever I throw up will come down...i do have faith in the laws of the universe of which gravity is one of them.

AMONG the definitions that one dictionary gives for faith is “firm and unquestioning belief in something for which there is no proof.” But, really, that definition more accurately describes credulity, a readiness to believe regardless of evidence. Credulity is really not faith. The faith in God the Creator that the Bible calls for, and for which it also furnishes the basis, is a faith based on clear evidence and sound reasoning.

As the Bible uses the term “faith,” it might be said to relate to two kinds of things: First, to the certainty of things hoped for, things not seen because of their being in the future. And, secondly, to faith in the existence of spirit beings, who are not visible to the human sight because of their not having material bodies; in other words, faith in God and in his promises. Thus we read at Hebrews 11:1 ( New English Bible ): “What is faith? Faith gives substance to our hopes, and makes us certain of realities we do not see.” That is why we are told that Christians must walk by faith and not by sight.​— 2 Cor. 5:7 .

Faith that God exists can be firmly established by contemplating the power and wisdom manifest in visible creation, including its order and harmony. All reasonable persons will agree that every effect has a competent cause. A watch argues for the existence of a watchmaker. So, look where we may in the universe, from the complex eye of an insect to the mighty galaxies in outer space, we come to the conclusion that there simply must be a mighty and wise Maker, or Creator, of these things.

Bacteriologist:
Let's discuss this "Faith" thing. Faith is like the single most important thing in religion and theism in general.

It is safe to say that the basis of theism is faith.

I hear Christians for example, talk about faith a lot and they say that once you have Faith a lot of things especially in the Bible begins to make sense.

Same thing with Muslims. "Faith" in Allah makes you believe that Islam is the true religion.

But my main point is this why would faith be required to know the truth?

A lot of things we recognise as facts and truths today do not require any sort of faith whatsoever.

Does anyone need faith to know that 1 + 1 = 2?

Is faith required to make an airplane glide in the air? Or a ship remain buoyant?

Does anyone need faith to know that water + clay makes mud?

Do you need faith to accept that whatever is thrown up gets pulled back down (except held up by an external force/obstacle?)

It looks like faith is needed only when believing something that cannot be demonstrated or shown to actually be true or exist.

And that is the greatest downfall of this thing called "faith." ANYONE can believe whatever they want and CLAIM it as true based on "Faith."

Christians even call it "evidence of things not seen." Then I can claim to have a dragon in my basement/backyard. And believe it on "faith."

Faith is a good way to believe in anything but is not a reliable way of determining the truth. And it is not enough to believe claims: especially those with heavy weight as god claims based on faith alone.

If you care about the truth, Faith is not enough.

What are your thoughts?

Even scientists have faith in the laws of the Universe that's why they can carry out experiments and bring about theories. Having to count on gravity, sunshine, rainfall etc is all faith.

As often as these things don't fail us, our faith in them become stronger. That's a real description of a theist's faith in God.

paulGrundy:


Can accurate unquestionable truth be outdated?

There's no point using the adjectives "accurate" and "unquestionable" to modify the TRUTH. This is because there isn't any such thing as inaccurate truth. Truth ofcos can be questioned by persons not having accurate knowledge. But when they learn, they come to see the truth.

Learning truth is a process. With a pure motive, a person can set out on a journey to learn the truth. He would have to be humble, patient and objective in his approach. To learn the truth, he would need God's spirit. According to John 6:44, No one comes to believe and have faith in Jesus except the father draws him. Despite many years of learning the truth, he may need to adjust his understanding sometimes because as he grows spiritually, he would have a better understanding of TRUTH.
Another reason why he might have to adjust his understanding is because God doesn't teach us or tell us everything at once, he reveals things at his own time. This is evident in God's words to Daniel in Daniel 12:4, after showing Daniel the vision concerning the last days, Daniel didn't understand all of it. God told him to seal up the book until the time of the end, people will rove about and true knowledge will become abundant.

Seun:

Religious beliefs should be respected to the extent that they are harmless. The more harmful a religious belief is, the less respect it deserves. Beneficial religious beliefs like the belief in honesty and kindness are worthy of respect. Religious beliefs that cause unnecessary deaths are the most harmful in my view, so they deserve the lowest level of respect.

I started out with the intention of writing just a few words about why Jehovah's witnesses are right to refuse blood transfusion in obedience to the Bible's command, but I've just been inspired to do this a little more extensively. in the many years of discussing this blood issue with people (most of whom are from mainstream Christian churches) I've come to see that they acknowledge even as the Bible teaches that Christians should abstain from blood (Genesis 9:1, 5, 6. Lev 7:26, 27.17: 10-14. Num 15:30, 31. Acts 15: 22, 28, 29. 21:25). That's commendable.

They however argue that this law given to the Israelites not to eat blood as well as the same law repeated to the early Christians to abstain from blood cannot include the transfusion of blood intravenously, made possibly by science today. In their conclusion, eating is not the same as transfusing. However, life is involved here so they go with the medical practice of transfusion.

This is the Bible's view on Blood that many have got wrong.

Blood is life. it is sacred (Genesis 9:1, 5, 6. Lev 7:26, 27.17: 10-14. Num 15:30, 31. Acts 15: 22, 28, 29. 21:25). Let me give you an idea of what sacred really means. In the Tabernacle in Israel, the most holy compartment was the most sacred place. it contained the Ark of the covenant and God's presence was always felt. The high priest entered there only once in a year and a rope had to be tied to his waist so in the event he doesn't come out, he will be drawn out. Sacred meant it was God's house. When the Bible says blood is life and as such is sacred, it means that we should respect blood, we shouldn't use it as we see fit, it should be holy. We should treat it with the respect an ancient isrealite would treat the most holy place in the tabernacle.
The Bible's command to abstain from blood has nothing to do with how you take in the blood, it has everything to do with the blood itself, it's makeup means it is life and so is sacred, it's not ours, we gotta respect it.

This Bible view of blood as being equivalent to life is supported by the medical community as they say that blood is the fluid of life, transporting oxygen from the lungs to body tissue and carbon dioxide from body tissue to the lungs. Blood is the fluid of growth, transporting nourishment from digestion and hormones from glands throughout the body. Blood is the fluid of health, transporting disease-fighting substances to the tissue and waste to the kidneys. Because it contains living cells, blood is alive. Red blood cells and white blood cells are responsible for nourishing and cleansing the body.Without blood, the human body would stop working

Of course this is the 21st century and one of the earmarks of the 21st century is our advancement in science and technology. People now worship on the altar of science and technology. The Bible is regarded as an outdated book by man. People trust science and technology to save us from our plagues and terrors. This is why they don't see the wisdom in the command to abstain from blood because blood = life. Even many who carry and preach the bible are not fully convinced of its wisdom. They'd rather stick with conventional wisdom.

What I see here is that Jehovah God and his promises are more real to Jehovah's witnesses than they are to others. Jehovah's witnesses love their lives and that of their loved ones. They want the best medical treatment. But they also have great trust in the laws and principles found in the Bible. They believe that God is the greatest scientist. If he says to abstain from blood, then it must mean that it is the best action a servant of God can take in order to fully please him. They apply the principle at Luke 9:24 - "For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake is the one who will save it." They recognize that the law on Blood must be a very important law as it was first given to Noah, then to the Israelites and then to first century Christians. As much as they want to stay alive and be happy with their family and friends, they also realize that the real life as described in the Bible is not this life we're living now. The Bible portrays a life on earth under God's kingdom rule as the real life (Matt 6:9, 10). They live and die for Jehovah God, for he alone can reward them in his due time.

Thousands of scientists have researched no-blood treatments and have discovered that there are alternatives to blood transfusion. Blood transfusion by the way is not a guarantee to health. Many people who are not Jehovah's witnesses are subscring to no-blood treatments, which have been found to be much better. Few doctors in Nigeria are open to these alternatives.

PrincewithGod:
Why are we going up and down on this issue of Trinity when the answer is in us? We are made in the image of God, so we are trinity: Body, Soul and Spirit. So is God: Father, Word and Spirit (1John 5 : 7). The Word was made flesh (John 1 : 14) whom was named JESUS, The CHRIST.

The trinity is a manmade doctrine that borrows heavily from paganism and Greek philosophy and was developed long after the Scriptures were completed. Therefore, this doctrine could never have come from Scripture anyway and has to be taught alongside the Bible. And so if you had never heard of it, you would never come up with it yourself from just reading the Bible alone. As a result, you will also find that eisegesis has to be used to convince others of this doctrine

PrincewithGod:
A Doctrine that Unites and Divides
The doctrine of the Trinity has been called the most puzzling doctrine in the Christian faith and the central truth of the Christian faith. Which is it? Inscrutable puzzle or central truth? The answer is, both are true.

This doctrine unites all true Christians and separates us from those who are not Christian. You may believe and still not be a Christian, but if you deny this doctrine in your heart, you are not a Christian at all.

The Trinity is a doctrine that all Christians believe but no one really understands. That much should be clear from this message. If you try to explain the Trinity, you will lose your mind. But if you deny it, you will lose your soul.

Someone asked Daniel Webster, who happened to be a fervent Christian, "How can a man of your intellect believe in the Trinity?" "I do not pretend fully to understand the arithmetic of heaven now," he replied. That's a good phrase—the arithmetic of heaven.

The Trinity should cause us to bow in humble adoration before a God who is greater than our minds could ever comprehend.

Let us rejoice that we have a Triune God who has provided for a Trinitarian salvation. When we were lost in sin, our God acted in every Person of his being to save us. The Father gave the Son, the Son offered himself on the Cross, and the Holy Spirit brought us to Jesus. We were so lost that it took every member of the Godhead to save us.

In 1774 a man named Ignaz Franz wrote a hymn of praise to the Trinity: Holy God, We Praise Your Name. Verse three may serve as an apt conclusion to this message.

"Holy Father, Holy Son, Holy Spirit, Three we name you;
While in essence only one, undivided God we claim you.
Then, adoring, bend the knee, and confess the mystery."

Indeed it is a mystery, and with all the saints we bend the knee in worship before our great God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

-Dr. Ray Pritchard is the president of Keep Believing Ministries.

You have chosen to be ignorant, that's all. And so it is to all who believe that God is triune. Really, what is crooked cannot be made straight.

Read the history of the trinity doctrine objectively. Read about the council of Nicaea and the council of Constantinople all in the 4th century C. E. If you really want to serve God the way the Patriachs of old and the first century Christians served God, then the trinity is not for you. In the words of Sir Isaac Newton I rest this case: "...the trinity is a 4th century pagan corruption on Christianity."

1StopRudeness:


U have a lot of history and theology going on here....and u seem like one of those that don’t analyse other people’s opinion....u just reel out bunch of information...this is not dialogue

....Jesus introduced the holyspirit as an entity, as a personality in john16v7....if u don’t want to consider it based on ur foundational beliefs that’s fine....enjoy ur day

I do intact analyze people opinion. I've bee doing that for a long time now. Have you considered the way the Bible describes the Holy Spirit?

The Bible describes the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

The Bible describes the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

The holy spirit is nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits.

Ihedinobi3:

Hi. Your profile suggests that your are a Jehovah's Witness, so you are almost certainly just looking for an argument to prove that your position that Jesus Christ is not God is true.

I think that such a conversation would be a waste of time and energy, but in the event that you may be willing to consider that your position may be wrong, and also for the sake of other readers, I will answer you.

To begin, the three verses say that God the Father Who once communicated to human beings through human intermediaries called prophets has now given us His Last Word, so to speak, through His Son Who is such a perfect representation of Him as to seal up all His Communication to man.

When this Son of His had fulfilled His Mission to purify human beings from their sins, He was received back into Heaven to sit down at the Father's Right Hand.

Now, I would like to add a bit more of that chapter for useful context:

[6]And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."
[7]And of the angels He says, "Who makes His angels winds, And His ministers a flame of fire."
[8]But of the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
[9]"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above Your companions."
[10]And, "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands;
[11]They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment,
[12]And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end."
Hebrews 1:6-12 NASB

As you can see, the angels are commanded by the Father to worship the Son (v.6). Since only God must be worshipped, this is a clear Scriptural witness to the Deity of the Son.

You can also see that the Son is being contrasted with the angels here (vv.7-8 ), so that it makes no sense to think that He is or was ever one of them.

You should also note that from verses 8 to 12, God the Father Who is the Subject of Hebrews 1 is addressing the Son as God and speaking of His timelessness and eternity as well as His absolute superiority to all the created universe.

These things are only a drop in the bucket of staggering Scriptural evidence of the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

The History of the development of the Trinity Doctrine.

It is certain that, in spite of the popularity of such concepts as Trinity in the false religions surrounding them, the faithful Jewish people and prophets of the Old Testament never accepted a three-in-one God. It is true that the unfaithful among the Israelites often borrowed pagan gods, pagan customs, and pagan concepts (including Baal and Astarte) and added them to their God-given religion. But there is no record (scriptural or secular) of a trinity concept even among them.

Faithful Israel had only one God and He was always a single individual named Jehovah (possibly pronounced "Yahweh" or "Yehowah" in Hebrew - see the PRONOUNCE study), their Father in heaven - (Deut. 6:4, 5; Is. 64:8; Ps. 83:16-18). That is the concept known as monotheism (meaning "one person alone is God" .

"The religion of the [Old Testament] and Judaism is monotheistic and personal. 1. In the [Old Testament] the words el, eloah, and elohim , from related roots, are generic designations of God. Alongside and alternating with them stands the
individual, personal name Yahweh [Jehovah] ." -
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology , vol. 2, p. 67.

Professor of ecclesiastical history L. L. Paine L. L. Paine, A Critical History Of The Evolution Of Trinitarianism , p. 4, tells us :
"The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being . The idea that a trinity is to be found there ... is utterly without foundation." [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 ]
And Lohse states:
"From the very beginning, of course, Christians not only believed in God in the sense in which the Jews did , but they also believed in Jesus Christ ." - p. 38 , A Short History of Christian Doctrine , Bernard Lohse, 1985, Fortress Press.

This, then, was the faith that Jesus passed on to his Apostles. This is the truth that the Apostles passed on to their followers (who lived and taught this very same concept up to at least 150 A. D.).
"In this period [1st century A.D.] churches were still regarded as synagogues, whose members prayed three times a day and fasted twice a week like Jews... They professed monotheism in the same terms as did the Jews . .... Within individual congregations they continued to think, argue, and act like their Jewish counterparts." - pp. 121-122,
The Rise of Christianity, W. H. C. Frend (trinitarian), 1985, Fortress Press.

It was not until over 300 years after the death of Jesus that the trinity concept was fully developed, refined, and officially and finally accepted by Christendom through a decree by the Church at Rome.
" Speculative thought began to analyze the divine nature until in the 4th century an elaborate
theory of a threefoldness in God appears. In this Nicene or Athanasian form of thought God is said to consist of three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, all equally eternal, powerful and glorious." -
Encyclopedia Americana, 1944, v. 6, p. 619, "Christianity".

Yes, finally, by the end of the 4th century A.D., the trinity idea had been fully developed. The Roman Church had officially decreed the following points as being necessary for all Christians to believe:
There are said to be three divine persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - in the
Godhead .
(1) Each of these separate persons is said to be
eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.
(2) Each is said to be almighty , with none greater or lesser than the other.
(3) Each is said to be omniscient , knowing all things.
(4) Each is said to be true God .
(5) However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God .
But we should understand that in the more than 2,000 years from Abraham to the death of the last Apostle, John, Judaeo-Christianity had only one God, Jehovah ("YHWH" , the Father
alone . (Cf. Ps. 83:18, KJV , ASV; Is. 63:16, ASV;
and John 17:1, 3 - compare Jer.10:10, ASV).
But what about the powerful religious systems around them which controlled or profoundly influenced the entire known civilized world?

Babylon, Egypt, India, Greece etc. all had Trinitarian concepts in their worship of many Gods.

1StopRudeness:
Trinity might not have been mentioned unambiguously but there are so many doctrines like that as well that we put together from understanding and connecting of other valid scriptures....so it doesn’t make trinity invalid.. this reason is why people say things like is cigarettes, or marijuana or transgender or cosmetic surgery mentioned in the Bible...

like the doctrine of permissive will and perfect will that was never mentioned word for word...but was clearly seen in the book of Samuel when the children of isreal asked for a king to copy the other idol worshipping nation around them....God said to Samuel, they have rejected Me with this they are asking for and it will bring evil nd oppression if one man is appointed to rule over a whole nation... which is what eventually happened and is happening today all over the world...
However, he said if the king u appoint can fear me and obey my voice,it’s all Good....So he told Samuel to anoint Saul for them which was the first king of isreal....this is also is one of the many proofs that God sometimes do not interfere with the free will he has given man...someone somewhere has to pray for God’s hand...

Back to trinity: ..
1john 5v7 clearly said there are 3 that bears record in heaven.. the father, the word(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit....

Jesus constantly spoke of the father clearly letting us know there’s is God the father..........he also spoke of him self for example john8v48-49..that before Moses ever existed he had was...
......and then he officially introduced the ministry of the Holt spirit in John 16v7 ..which had been at work from the beginning cos it’s the same holy spirit that was at work in Moses and the appointed 70 elders, same in Daniel, Isaiah etc....

so in my opinion, to say there’s a tri-divinity entity existing in heaven from the beginning of time isn’t false.....it’s right there in scriptures

The History of the development of the Trinity Doctrine.

It is certain that, in spite of the popularity of such concepts as Trinity in the false religions surrounding them, the faithful Jewish people and prophets of the Old Testament never accepted a three-in-one God. It is true that the unfaithful among the Israelites often borrowed pagan gods, pagan customs, and pagan concepts (including Baal and Astarte) and added them to their God-given religion. But there is no record (scriptural or secular) of a trinity concept even among them.

Faithful Israel had only one God and He was always a single individual named Jehovah (possibly pronounced "Yahweh" or "Yehowah" in Hebrew - see the PRONOUNCE study), their Father in heaven - (Deut. 6:4, 5; Is. 64:8; Ps. 83:16-18). That is the concept known as monotheism (meaning "one person alone is God".

"The religion of the [Old Testament] and Judaism is monotheistic and personal. 1. In the [Old Testament] the words el, eloah, and elohim , from related roots, are generic designations of God. Alongside and alternating with them stands the
individual, personal name Yahweh [Jehovah] ." -
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology , vol. 2, p. 67.

Professor of ecclesiastical history L. L. Paine L. L. Paine, A Critical History Of The Evolution Of Trinitarianism , p. 4, tells us :
"The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being . The idea that a trinity is to be found there ... is utterly without foundation." [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 ]
And Lohse states:
"From the very beginning, of course, Christians not only believed in God in the sense in which the Jews did , but they also believed in Jesus Christ ." - p. 38 , A Short History of Christian Doctrine , Bernard Lohse, 1985, Fortress Press.

This, then, was the faith that Jesus passed on to his Apostles. This is the truth that the Apostles passed on to their followers (who lived and taught this very same concept up to at least 150 A. D.).
"In this period [1st century A.D.] churches were still regarded as synagogues, whose members prayed three times a day and fasted twice a week like Jews... They professed monotheism in the same terms as did the Jews . .... Within individual congregations they continued to think, argue, and act like their Jewish counterparts." - pp. 121-122,
The Rise of Christianity, W. H. C. Frend (trinitarian), 1985, Fortress Press.

It was not until over 300 years after the death of Jesus that the trinity concept was fully developed, refined, and officially and finally accepted by Christendom through a decree by the Church at Rome.

" Speculative thought began to analyze the divine nature until in the 4th century an elaborate
theory of a threefoldness in God appears. In this Nicene or Athanasian form of thought God is said to consist of three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, all equally eternal, powerful and glorious." -
Encyclopedia Americana, 1944, v. 6, p. 619, "Christianity".

Yes, finally, by the end of the 4th century A.D., the trinity idea had been fully developed. The Roman Church had officially decreed the following points as being necessary for all Christians to believe:
There are said to be three divine persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - in the
Godhead .
(1) Each of these separate persons is said to be
eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.
(2) Each is said to be almighty , with none greater or lesser than the other.
(3) Each is said to be omniscient , knowing all things.
(4) Each is said to be true God .
(5) However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God .

But we should understand that in the more than 2,000 years from Abraham to the death of the last Apostle, John, Judaeo-Christianity had only one God, Jehovah ("YHWH", the Father
alone . (Cf. Ps. 83:18, KJV , ASV; Is. 63:16, ASV;
and John 17:1, 3 - compare Jer.10:10, ASV).
But what about the powerful religious systems around them which controlled or profoundly influenced the entire known civilized world?

Babylon, Egypt, India, Greece etc. all had Trinitarian concepts in their worship of many Gods.

Acts 2:33 - A Scripture That Issues Multiple Problems For the Trinity Doctrine.

"Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor... in the Old Testament." - The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 1985, Micropedia, vol. 11, p. 928.

Trinitarians themselves admit that "The Trinity...is an INFERRED doctrine, gathered ECLECTICALLY from the entire Canon". - page 630 of the highly trinitarian publication, Today's Dictionary of the Bible , Bethany House Publishers, 1982.
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Not only is the doctrine not found in the Bible, but there are literally hundreds of Scriptures and passages that prove to be large problems for the belief that the Trinity is Scriptural. Acts 2:33 is but one of them.
Acts 2:33 says in the New Living Translation:

"Now he [Jesus] sits on the throne of highest honor in heaven ("highest position"; GOD'S WORD Translation), at God's right hand. And the Father, as he had promised, gave him the Holy Spirit to pour out upon us, just as you see and hear today."

First, if Jesus really is God, then wouldn't the place of "highest honor in heaven" be the position of being God Himself rather than being at "God's right hand"?

Second, if Jesus really is God, then how can Jesus be "exalted" in the first place?

Third, if Jesus really is God, then why is God mentioned as a separate and distinct individual FROM Jesus in this Scripture?

Fourth, only the Father is equated to being God in this Scripture which is consistent with the rest of the Bible. The Bible repeatedly makes it clear that there is only one Almighty God and that only the Father "whose name alone is Jehovah" is God. (Psalms 83:18; 1 Cor. 8:6; Ephesians 4:6; Rom. 15:6; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Revelation 1:6; etc.) Jesus himself acknowledged this. (John 17:3)


HOLY SPIRIT
This Scripture ALSO shows how the supposed third person of the Trinity (the Holy Spirit) is not God nor even a person.

Fifth, notice how the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33 which identifies the Holy Spirit as a thing - not a person:

Sixth, also notice that God poured out [ekxeo, ekxew] His Holy Spirit. In all cases ekxeo ("poured out" refers to things. Holy Spirit, then, is a thing that may be poured out in portions. (See Num. 11:17, 25 and Acts 2:17,18 where God poured Holy Spirit from His Holy Spirit.) You simply do not pour out persons in measured portions upon other persons!

Outline of Scriptures Showing That Jehovah The Father is God Alone.

1. God Alone = Jehovah (YHWH in Hebrew text) - Ps. 83:18; 86:10; Is. 37:16, 20 (and numerous Israelite personal names like 'Elijah' which mean ' God is Jehovah).
Psalms 83:18 "That they may know that thou
alone , whose name is Jehovah (YHWH), Art the Most High over all the earth." - ASV.
Ps. 86:10 "For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: Thou art God alone . 11 Teach me thy way, O Jehovah (YHWH); I will walk in thy truth: Unite my heart to fear thy name." - ASV.
Is. 37:16 " O Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel, that sittest [above] the cherubim, thou art the God, even thou alone , of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth." - ASV.
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2. Only Jehovah = the Father in heaven -Ps. 2:7 (Acts 13:33); Is. 64:8 (and numerous Israelite personal names like 'Abijah' which mean 'The
Father is Jehovah')
Psalms 2:7 "I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son ; This day have I begotten thee. - ASV .
Acts 13:33 "That God hath fulfilled the same unto our children, in that he raised up Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son , this day have I begotten thee. - ASV.
Isaiah 64:8 "But now, O Jehovah, thou art our Father ; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand."
But there are no personal names in Scripture which mean "Jehovah is the Son" or "Jehovah is the Messiah," or anything else to indicate that the firstborn son of God is Jehovah or is God.
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3. The Father (Jehovah) is the God of the Messiah
Micah 5:2-4 " 2 And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth--to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth [are] of old, From the days of antiquity. 3 Therefore he doth give them out till the time She who bringeth forth hath brought forth, And the remnant of his brethren return to the sons of Israel. 4 And he hath stood and delighted in the strength of Jehovah, In the excellency of the name of Jehovah his God - Young's.
Rom. 15:6 "so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ." - NASB.
Revelation 1:6 "and He [Jesus Christ in heaven] has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father --to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen." - NASB.
2 Corinthians 11:31 " The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, He who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying." - NASB.
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4. The Father (Jehovah - see above) = only true God
John 17:1, 3 " Father , .... 3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. - NASB.
The Father (Jehovah) = only God for Christians - 1 Cor. 8:6
1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is one God , the
Father , from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." - RSV.
1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet there is for us only one God , the Father , who is the Creator of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live." - TEV.
Ephesians 4:6 " one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." - NASB.

shadeyinka:

You DID not answer my very important question!

If Jehovah is the almighty God, what kind of god/God is Jesus?

Please don't ignore this again!

I looked the meaning of God and it says - The creator of the world, the one to be worshipped.
It also means "a mighty one".

Jesus is the son of Almighty God, Jehovah. He is the first creation by Jehovah. This makes him the second most important person in the universe. He is a mighty one both in heaven and on earth, in that sense he can be called God.

The Jews had a system in which they could ascribe a title to someone in an exclusive sense and still recognize someone else with that title in another sense different from the first, without being confused. I give you an example...the jews believed that Abraham was their father. The scripture s abound with phrases like "Abraham our father", but they called Jehovah their one true father. Did they think that Abraham was their one true father, Jehovah? No. Similarly, when Jesus is called "mighty God" in Isaiah 6:9, bible students know what that means. Since Jesus already called his Father Jehovah, "the only true God"(John 17:3), we know Jesus is a God in a slightly different sense as his Father Jehovah. it means Jesus is a mighty one and plays a significant role in God's purpose.

CAPTIVATOR:


Let me call a friend of mine here first cc Barristter07 .

That aside, I have a question on that 1Cor 2:11 , Does the Spirit of God , which am assuming third person of Trinity know the day and hour of the end ?

same question I asked and the trinitarians were explaining something they don't even understand...their explanations are looking so fetish.

Eviana:


Sir, honestly I must say that you lost me when you began the above bolded sentence to me.
Your tone seems harsh, abrasive and you wrote an enormous list of stuff...which was very overwhelming. You had written way too much.
Also if we are supposed to be Christians, then all the unnecessary sarcasm and innuendos, based on that first sentence above (just because we may disagree with one another)need not be present.
This is a repeated issue here on Nairaland...and makes for consistent mocking of Christianity by other "religions".
What I refuse to do is debate you about this subject. I express my beliefs, pray and believe that someone gets interested enough to search the scriptures with the guidance of yhe Holy Spirit.
I'm not into intellectual biblical debates.
I do sometimes have discussion, but it is never done with an intent to win a debate, express biblical expertise, or force someone to believe what I am convicted about.

What we "should" ultimately be focusing on, (and what you should be providing) are scriptures relating to praying and fasting for victory over sin and the continual Fruit of the Spirit to manifest in our lives daily.
That's where my main focus lies.
Interestingly enough, what you want to force me to believe about the Godhead, was not even the original topic of the OP....

Anyhoo, while I am open to discussion about some parts of the Bible with the goal of understanding, I am not willing to compromise on this particular part.
With all due respect sir, my "conviction" about the Godhead, Triune God or Heavenly trio (the words I use interchangeably) will remain the same.
Thank you for the mention.

My comment was never to put you down. I'm sorry if it appeared that way, especially from my first sentence. I don't intent to go on one of those endless debates. In my years of discussing with trinitarians and those who believe in that concept, those bible scriptures I posted have been effective.

You could consider them with an open mind. Thanks for your kind response.

Eviana:


When I use the term, "Godhead", or "triune" God, I am referring to the three-part co- equal heads: God the Father-Creator, God the Son-carried out plan of Salvation and God the Holy Spirit-Comforter sent after Christ'death.
Most people refer to it as the trinity.


The Holy Spirit is NOT referred to as an "it", in scripture, rather an "He".
That doesn't mean an actual physical body though.

John 14:26 (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The angels take no part in that particular hierarchy.

Truth stares many in the face, but they would rather hang on to centuries-old falsehood like the trinity or a belief in a triune God.

Please consider this, carefully.

If Jesus is Almighty God...

1. Then why is "God head of Christ just as Christ is head of man"? (1 Cor. 11:3)

2. Then why does Scripture consistently phrase Jesus as a separate person from God? (John 20:17; John 14:1; Mark 10:18; John 17:1-3; etc. Also in heaven, 1 Cor. 11:3; Luke 22:69; etc.)

3. Then how can Jesus have a God? Could Almighty God have a God? (Mic. 5:4; Ps. 45:6, 7; 89:26; John 20:17; Rom. 15:6; 2 Cor. 1:3; Eph 1:3; Col 1:3; Mark 15:34; John 17:1-3; Also in heaven, Rev. 1:6; 3:2, 12)

4. Then why does Scripture say he was born and is part of Creation? (Col. 1:15)

5. Then why does Rev. 3:14 say that Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"?

6. Then why is he subject to GOD, like we're subject to him? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28; Eph. 1:17)

7. Then why does Micah 5:2 say that Jesus' ORIGIN was “from early times”?

8. Then why does Jesus not know what God knows? (Matt. 24:36, Rev.1:1; Luke 8:45)

9. Then why is Jesus still subject to God when he is as high as he will ever be? (1 Cor. 15:27, 28)

10. Then why does Proverbs 8:22-31 show that the Messiah was CREATED / PRODUCED by God?

11. Then why is he not powerful enough to subject things to himself? (1 Cor. 15:27, Eph. 1:17, 22)

12. Then why would he have to be given any power and authority? (Mt. 28:18; 11:27; Jn. 5:22; 17:2; 3:35; 2 Pet. 1:17)

13. Then why did he have to learn anything? (Heb. 5:8; John 5:19; 8:28)

14. Then why is speaking against him not as bad as speaking against the Holy Spirit? (Mt. 12:31,32; Luke 12:10)

15. Then why did Jesus call the "Father...the only true God"? (John 17:3)

16. Then why did he need to be saved? (Heb. 5:7; John 12:27)

17. Then why did he have to be exalted to Leader and Savior? (Acts 5:31)

18. Then how could he be exalted and given a higher name than he had? (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:2-4)

19. Then why did he have to be given life in himself? (John 5:25,26)

20. Then how can the Father be greater than he? (John 14:28)

21. Then how could Jesus be tempted by Satan when God cannot be tempted with evil? (James 1:13)

22. Then why did he worship the Father? (John 4:22)

23. Then why can he not do anything on his own? (John 5:19; 6:38)

24. Then why would he pray to anybody? (Luke 22:44; John 17:1,2; Heb. 5:7)

25. Then why do John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9 say that Jesus is God's "only BEGOTTEN Son"? ASV

26. Then how can he be God's servant? (Acts 4:26,27,30)

27. Then how could he receive strength from an angel? (Luke 22:43)

28. Then how could he be a mediator between God and man? (1 Tim. 2:5)

29. Then how could he be with God (ton theon)? (John 1:1)

30. Then how can he be God's image? (Col. 1:15; Heb. 1:3)

31. Then why is he called the agency (dia) of creation and not the Originator (ek)? (1 Cor. 8:6; John 1:1-3; Prov. 8:30; Heb. 2:10; Col. 1:15,16)

32. Then why did Jesus say GOD was "good" in a way that Jesus was not? (Mark 10:18)

33. Then why does he have an archangel's voice instead of God's voice? (1 Thess. 4:16)

34. Then why is the only "worship" given to him the same given to humans? (Heb. 1:6, cf. Mt. 18:26; Rev. 3:9 - "Proskuneo"

35. Then why do many who believe this rely on a few selected, so-called 'proof-texts' instead of the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible?

36. Then how could he be commanded to do anything? (John 12:49; Deut. 18:18)

37. Then why did Steven see two separate entities, GOD and Jesus, and not just one God or three persons? (Acts 7:55)

38. Then how could he be seen at GOD's right hand? (Luke 22:69; Acts 7:55; Rom. 8:34)

39. Then how could Jesus be exalted (not to become God Himself, but) to the position of the "right hand OF God"? (Acts 2:33)

40. Then why would he have to receive a revelation from God? (Rev.1:1)

41. Then why is he called God's "begotten" Son before he came to earth? (John 3:16; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:9)

42. Then how could he have a Father? (John 20:17)

43. Then how could he come in flesh? (1 Kings 8:27; Acts 17:24,25)

44. Then why did he not come in his own name? (John 5:41-44)

45. Then why did Jesus "come down from heaven to do" God's will and not his own will? (Luke 22:42; John 6:38; John 5:30; John 8:42)

46. Then how could he appear before GOD? (Heb. 9:24)

47. Then how could he die? Can God die? Can part of God die? (Rom. 5:10; Acts 5:30; 1 Cor. 15:3; Hab.1:12; cf. 1 Tim. 6:16; Num. 23:19; Ps. 90:2; Dan. 6:25-26)
48. Then why is it that God resurrected Jesus? (Acts 2:32)

49. Then why can we see him if "no man has seen God at any time"? (John 1:18)

50. Then why is there not one clear Scripture where Jesus is called "God the Son," (equal to those declaring "God, the Father)?

51. How is it that the Jews rounded up some false witnesses to make up lies to obtain a death sentence for Jesus, but neither the Jewish officials nor even one of these false witnesses made a claim that he was God or equally God? (Matt. 26:59-67)

52. John summed up his whole Gospel by saying that it was written that we may believe "that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God." Why is there is no mention in that summary of the entire Gospel of what would be the most important thing of all - that Jesus is God? (John 20:31)

53. How could Jesus teach in the Jewish synagogues and the temple? This would never happen if any of the authorities believed he claimed to be God (or that his followers believed such a thing). - Matt. 26:55; John 7:14, 28. Matt. 4:23.

54. How could Jesus' followers teach in Jewish synagogues after Jesus' death and for the remainder of that first century (at least)? Again, this would not have been allowed if there were any suspicion that they believed Jesus to be God. Acts 9:20; 13:5, Acts 13:13-15.

If the Holy Spirit is Almighty God...

1. Then why do quotes from Trinitarians admit that the Holy Spirit is not God but rather is a force from God?

2. Then why would Jews instructed in the Old Testament scriptures and in the teachings of John the Baptist, NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS? (Acts 19:2)

3. Then why isn't the Holy Spirit given equal description in the Bible?

4. Then why didn't Jesus ever teach that the Holy Spirit was God along with the Father and Son?

5. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.)

6. Then why does the Bible describe the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25)

7. Then why is the holy spirit nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits?

8. Then why did the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD disregard the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead when they made Jesus 'God' in 325 AD? Why did they wait until the Council of Constantinople in 381 AD to include the Holy Spirit in the formula?

9. Then wouldn't the water and blood be persons too according to Trinitarian reasoning and 1 John 5:8?

10. Then why is the Holy Spirit sandwiched between a list of QUALITIES at 2 Cor. 6:6?

11. Then why does the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33?

12. Then why is it that nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit ever said to be an equal member of a trinity?

13. Then why is it that nowhere is it mentioned in the Bible the words, "God, the Holy Spirit," or "The Holy Spirit is God"?

14. Then why is it that there is never mentioned a vision, dream or clear description in scripture wherein God and the Holy Spirit are shown as the same person?

If the Trinity Doctrine is a Bible teaching...

1. Then why do NUMEROUS encyclopedias agree that
"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity"? – p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D.

2. Then why do many encyclopedias, dictionaries and other sources (including Sir Isaac Newton) agree that the "Trinity was a pagan corruption imposed on Christianity in the fourth century by Athanasius"?

3. Then why does the Bible consistently identify God by singular person pronouns: "I, "Me," "He, and "Him" instead of "We", "Us", "They" or "Them"?

4. Then why does 2 Cor. 13:14 say that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the Holy Spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that "GOD" IS ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

5. Then why is there not even one Scripture which clearly defines the Trinity?

6. Then why is there not even one Scripture of a vision, dream, or CLEAR description wherein God is shown as three persons?

7. Then why is there not even one Scripture where God is described using the word "three"?

The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit


PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God.
Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.


"THE WORD WAS GOD”
John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ( King James Version ) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. ( John 1:14 ) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.
Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” ( A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” ( The New Testament in an Improved Version ) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” ( The Translator’s New Testament ) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. * Instead, because of his high position among God's creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”


GET MORE FACTS
Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1 , you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.
For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18 : “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” ( John 1:14 , KJ ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3 , Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” ( John 20:31 ) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.


CONFIRM THE FACTS
Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” ( Matthew 24:36 ) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.— Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15

The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit


PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God.
Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.


"THE WORD WAS GOD”
John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ( King James Version ) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. ( John 1:14 ) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.
Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” ( A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” ( The New Testament in an Improved Version ) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” ( The Translator’s New Testament ) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. * Instead, because of his high position among God's creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”


GET MORE FACTS
Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1 , you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.
For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18 : “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” ( John 1:14 , KJ ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3 , Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.” ( John 20:31 ) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.


CONFIRM THE FACTS
Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” ( Matthew 24:36 ) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.— Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15

1. God Alone = Jehovah (YHWH in Hebrew text) - Ps. 83:18; 86:10; Is. 37:16, 20 (and numerous Israelite personal names like 'Elijah' which mean ' God is Jehovah).

Psalms 83:18 "That they may know that thou
alone , whose name is Jehovah (YHWH), Art the Most High over all the earth." - ASV.

Ps. 86:10 "For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: Thou art God alone . 11 Teach me thy way, O Jehovah (YHWH); I will walk in thy truth: Unite my heart to fear thy name." - ASV.

Is. 37:16 " O Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel, that sittest [above] the cherubim, thou art the God, even thou alone , of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth." - ASV.
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2. Only Jehovah = the Father in heaven -Ps. 2:7 (Acts 13:33); Is. 64:8 (and numerous Israelite personal names like 'Abijah' which mean 'The
Father is Jehovah')

Psalms 2:7 "I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son ; This day have I begotten thee. - ASV .

Acts 13:33 "That God hath fulfilled the same unto our children, in that he raised up Jesus; as also it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son , this day have I begotten thee. - ASV.

Isaiah 64:8 "But now, O Jehovah, thou art our Father ; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand."

But there are no personal names in Scripture which mean "Jehovah is the Son" or "Jehovah is the Messiah," or anything else to indicate that the firstborn son of God is Jehovah or is God.
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3. The Father (Jehovah) is the God of the Messiah
Micah 5:2-4 " 2 And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth--to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth [are] of old, From the days of antiquity. 3 Therefore he doth give them out till the time She who bringeth forth hath brought forth, And the remnant of his brethren return to the sons of Israel. 4 And he hath stood and delighted in the strength of Jehovah, In the excellency of the name of Jehovah his God - Young's.

Rom. 15:6 "so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ." - NASB.

Revelation 1:6 "and He [Jesus Christ in heaven] has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father --to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen." - NASB.

2 Corinthians 11:31 " The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, He who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying." - NASB.
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4. The Father (Jehovah - see above) = only true God
John 17:1, 3 " Father , .... 3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. - NASB.
The Father (Jehovah) = only God for Christians - 1 Cor. 8:6

1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet for us there is one God , the
Father , from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist." - RSV.

1 Corinthians 8:6 "yet there is for us only one God , the Father , who is the Creator of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live." - TEV.

Ephesians 4:6 " one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." - NASB.