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uchemanga:
who ever that want to open his/her barrels to accuse Soludo should first of all think of what our banking sector was like before he emerged, what it was under him and what it is now.
we all will hail the genius and not waste time in demanding result from our dear mallam.

Please sir, answer me this. was the massive looting pepertrated under sanusi or soludo's watch? and since when has good works been a yardstick for political leadership in Nigeria? i await your response.


I will continue to post this until someone responds rationaly

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=370555.msg5172577#msg5172577 date=1261574635]It will be berra for him if he stays over there.Coming home will only make matters worse for him.El rufai is not really a saint but i kinda like his charisma.Efcc will be waiting for him at the airport to pick him up but the issue here is what do they really want him for.Efcc couldnt prosecute erastus akingbola,james ibori,adenike grange,cecilia ibru etc successfully,why is it so much interested in nailing el rufai and ribadu[/quote]I swear you are a funny guy. You mean you don't know? Efcc must chop now.  

@Babalawo I believe you need to re-post your write up again and again because most dim witted Nigerians will not understand this. So maybe if they read this over and over again on every page then the message will sink in.

[quote author=metal-gong link=topic=370265.msg5171757#msg5171757 date=1261566944]@Poster

By answering the following questions for me, it would also help you with the truth.

1--- How were banks faring before Soludo left the office?
2--- Were banks laying off workers during Soludo's tenure, despite the fact that the world economy had slumped into recession before he left?
3----And What made you to believe that Sanusi, the islamic scholar, would let Soludo free if he was involved in any illegal activity?
4----What do you think that gave Soludo the temerity to be contesting for Anambra guber, if he is not really proud of his tenure at CBN? Dont even be surprise if you see him as your president come 2015.

The truth is that Sanusi is responsible for all the recent woes in the banking industry and we expect him to take full responsibility of his policies.

FYI, we Anambrarians really need the services of Soludo. Hopefully, he will be voted in come feb 2010 and all his traducers would be put to shame.[/quote]Please sir, answer me this. was the massive looting pepertrated under sanusi or soludo's watch? and since when has good works been a yardstick for political leadership in Nigeria? i await your response.

we will always deserve the leaders we get. can you imagine celebrating fraud, embezzlement, mediocrity and bad leadership? all hail the sycophants in our midst. Next we will be hearing Akala for president. Tufiakwa!!!

yaf1423:
My point has been completely understood out of the context in which it is expressed. The good work mr president is doing does not preclude among other things the ills still plaguing this country. In his own right he has been dexteriously up to the task but only dat the sickness has really hampered quite a lot of things deserving achievement. Never in this country has someone used the kind of technique in solving niger delta arms struggle. We know dat certain lapses still exist and such can't be unplugged overnight. The idea that he has not done anyting should be jettisoned even obj did what he could only dat complacency was his problem.

FOR YARADUA HE IS TRYING HIS BEST and i see no reason why he should resign now since he is recuperating.

Mr Yaf, I no wan comment but you are forcing my hands. Be warned!!!  If you have nothing better to do then shut the hell up.

axeman85:
abeg guys lets put sentiments aside jare. who is beheading who, soludo that needs beheading for turning a blind eye to malpractices and unhealthy banking procedures.

if sanusi had also kept quiet as soludo did, yes naija banks will still be going but years down the line when they collapse and all our money trapped inside we will be the ones to start complaining amd cursing. so let him do his job and hopefully it will make naija banking secotr stronger and better. chikena.

You too much joooo, At least thank God there are some normal people in Nigeria. My brother was among those that were laid off at intercontinental bank but that will not make me lose my reasoning. Soludo was/is the root cause of this calamity.

Posting rubbish as usual, how do you know it is exactily 83 men she slept with?

@Rasputin      Abi oooo, i think say na only me feel that way

@Beaf Point proven, like i said you will never change.

@Beaf beaf, How far na?   Been gone for a while, i'm back and you still haven't changed. You and this your separatist views. O'l boy you have too much idle time on your hands. 

@Beaf  This nutcase still on? SEFAGO you get time i swear.

honeric01:
conclusively, if anyone ask you for money, tell them you are as broke as they are and that you are not their father okay? that should help rather than coming here to whine about people asking you for laptops, (with less than 30k, you will get a laptop here), it's what anyone who really wants a laptop in Nigeria can get. even in US, not everyone own a laptop or even have internet, not everyone went to school, not everyone live in good houses, don't they have rural areas (villages) in US too?  more than 800 thousand people lost their jobs within 2 months in America, so if America is the heaven you guys paint it, why are people jobless and unemployed?  we here in Nigeria know that the government won't help you, that's why we have all decided to stand for ourselves,

I must say that the picture you are trying to paint here is incorrect. The people who refused to own laptops/internet, get jobs and live in good houses made the choice to do so. America is the land of opportunity that will not be handed to you but you have to stretch your hands to take it. Also the unemployment rate is about 10%. can you compare that percentage to Nigeria's? I also agree with you that Nigeria is the land of opportunity which i will take full advantage of when the time is right. It is one of the countries i know where if you have the cash you can bribe, tip and corrupt your way into anything. Imagine, you can set up a company and decide not to pay tax. Or instead, avoid paying power bills and tap directly from the grid. Which business man would not want to invest in a place like that? @topic. We are all to blame. People abroad who show off and cannot meet up and people that demand too much and unrealistically too.

The scope of corruption in Nigeria and the embarrassment in the international community. Be warned this report is not intended for anyone below 18.   Please go to link below.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/share.html?s=news01n2560q8c9


Corruption 'runs everything'
LOWELL BERGMAN: Olusegun Obasanjo was president of Nigeria from 1999 to 2007.
OLUSEGUN OBASANJO: Fighting corruption is like fighting a war in a battlefield.
LOWELL BERGMAN: A former Nigerian general, President Obasanjo is a founding member of the anti-corruption organization Transparency International.
Corruption, you would agree, is endemic in Nigeria?
OLUSEGUN OBASANJO: It is. Corruption is a cancer that must not be allowed to be in the body of a nation, because it destroys, and that is what we were fighting against in Nigeria.
LOWELL BERGMAN: In 2003, President Obasanjo appointed this man, Nuhu Ribadu, as Nigeria's first chief corruption hunter.
NUHU RIBADU, former Nigerian anti-corruption chief: We went after the very powerful people, the rich ones, those who hitherto were above the law. One of the governors, we think, he took close to about 75 percent of the resources of this state.
LOWELL BERGMAN: One governor took 75 percent of the money?
NUHU RIBADU: Yes.
LOWELL BERGMAN: From the state government?
NUHU RIBADU: And this is a state that has probably made over $1 billion, in terms of revenue. The governor diverted minimum 75 percent of that for himself alone.
LOWELL BERGMAN: While the people are living on $2 a day.
NUHU RIBADU: That's it. Corruption has taken over the engine of government in Nigeria. It's what runs everything.
LOWELL BERGMAN: The cost of this corruption is most evident here in the Niger Delta, the center of Nigeria's oil industry. But all that oil wealth does not reach the people, who live in abject poverty, with the land and water devastated by spills and the air poisoned by the constant burning of natural gas, called flaring.
All this, the consequence of out-of-control corruption.
And before you took office, no one, no company had been prosecuted in Nigeria,
NUHU RIBADU: Never.
LOWELL BERGMAN: , for bribery.
NUHU RIBADU: Never.
LOWELL BERGMAN: And you come in, and you make how many cases?
NUHU RIBADU: Thousands. And then we got convictions, about 270-something.
LOWELL BERGMAN: Two-hundred-and-seventy-something convictions?
NUHU RIBADU: Yes, yes, yes, yes. World record, I believe, by any standard, yes.
Few traces inside Nigeria
LOWELL BERGMAN: Ribadu says he went out of his way to set an example. No one was immune.
You investigated your boss?
NUHU RIBADU: The inspector general of police, yes. I investigated him. I seized $150 million from him and sent him to prison.
LOWELL BERGMAN: And governors of some of the wealthiest state governments?
NUHU RIBADU: Several.
LOWELL BERGMAN: Didn't they try to bribe you?
NUHU RIBADU: Several times, several. And at one point, there was a particular incident where I was given $15 million cash.
LOWELL BERGMAN: You were given this money?
NUHU RIBADU: Directly. Former governor one of the Niger Delta states in Nigeria, he gave me cash, $15 million, in bags, two heavy, big, bags. And I used it as evidence against him.
LOWELL BERGMAN: But, Ribadu says, when it came to the really big payoffs, involving major multinational companies with bribes going to the top leadership of the country, he often felt powerless.
NUHU RIBADU: Most of this is happening outside Nigeria. The documents are not in Nigeria. The money is not in Nigeria. The entire transactions do take place outside. That is the difficulty I faced.
The big chief executives, they are not in Nigeria. The only time they go to Nigeria is to go and give somebody money.
LOWELL BERGMAN: Which is exactly what the U.S. Justice Department found when they began to investigate the Halliburton-KBR case as part of a crackdown on international bribery.
The bribery scheme began more than a decade ago, when KBR led a consortium of companies competing for the contract to build this massive $6 billion liquefied natural gas plant in the Niger Delta.
The KBR consortium, led by Jack Stanley, would pay $180 million in bribes to a succession of Nigeria's leaders to secure that contract.
PATRICK SMITH, editor, Africa Confidential: It's one of the few cases we've seen where you've got all the players in a complex international structure of fraud, and corruption, and self-enrichment.

Obasanjo denies taking bribes
LOWELL BERGMAN: Veteran journalist Patrick Smith has followed the case.
PATRICK SMITH: You see the sorts of things that corporate executives from the U.S. discussed. How much should I bribe a head of state? How much should I bribe the chief of the army? So you see the whole system laid bare.
LOWELL BERGMAN: The U.S. case reveals that, in the mid-1990s, the first bribes went to Nigeria's brutal strongman Sani Abacha who set a new standard for corruption.
NUHU RIBADU: His period was one of the darkest moments in the history of our country. We estimate that he took close to about $6 billion.
LOWELL BERGMAN: Six billion dollars?
NUHU RIBADU: Alone, single-handedly.
LOWELL BERGMAN: The bribes fueled Abacha's excessive lifestyle, and his unusual death would become a metaphor for greed.
PATRICK SMITH: The story is that he took an enormous amount of Viagra and then was entertained by a succession of prostitutes from around the world in one sort of marathon sex session. And after that, he was left a wreck on the floor, foaming at the mouth, and that's where he was found.
So there are various explanations. What was pretty clear was that the Nigerian elite, particularly his fellow generals, had decided they'd had enough of him, and a lot of people wanted Abacha dead.
LOWELL BERGMAN: But after Abacha died, Jack Stanley continued the bribery scheme. And because of his success in landing big contracts, Stanley was promoted to become CEO of KBR in 1998 by the man who was then running Halliburton, Dick Cheney.
Despite the fact that millions in bribes were paid while he was CEO, Cheney has always denied knowing anything about the bribery conspiracy. And so far, Jack Stanley, according to sources, has not directly implicated his former boss.
But Stanley has implicated former Nigerian President Obasanjo, who denies ever taking a bribe.
You have been able to resist the temptations then of your predecessors?
OLUSEGUN OBASANJO: Well, I have been -- I've been investigated and re-investigated and re-investigated, and nobody can find corruption around me.
LOWELL BERGMAN: Because you know your critics say you're just too smart.
OLUSEGUN OBASANJO: Well, if it is being too smart, then somebody who is smarter should have found something.


Money could have saved lives
LOWELL BERGMAN: In the interviews we've done and in the public documents that are now in file in the United States, it does indicate that there were meetings that took place while you were president.
OLUSEGUN OBASANJO: No, I won't say that meetings were not taking place. I have just told you that there were ministers in my own government that participated in corruption.
LOWELL BERGMAN: It reached to your vice president. It reached to people in your own political party
OLUSEGUN OBASANJO: I will not say no.
LOWELL BERGMAN: In fact, sources in the U.S. government say that Jack Stanley has revealed that he met face to face with then-PresidentObasanjo in 2001 about continuing the KBR bribery scheme.
Nuhu Ribadu says that, while he was unable to find any evidence implicating Obasanjo, he believes the Justice Department knows if the former president is, in fact, corrupt.
NUHU RIBADU: And they know exactly what happened. Hopefully, something will come out. I think it's only right and fair that the world know exactly what really happened and who are involved.
LOWELL BERGMAN: The real tragedy, Ribadu says, is that $180 million in bribes could have saved lives in Nigeria.
NUHU RIBADU: A hundred and eighty million dollars could build 100 hospitals. This $180 million could build 100 schools, probably will provide thousands of kilometers of roads by African standard.
LOWELL BERGMAN: Today, Ribadu is no longer hunting corruption in Nigeria. Soon after President Obasanjo left office, Ribadu himself was removed and became one of the hunted. He was chased down and shot at, but his bulletproof car saved his life.
NUHU RIBADU: I survived it. They wanted to kill me. If you fight corruption, it fights back. And I fought corruption in Nigeria. But I am lucky. I'm out.
LOWELL BERGMAN: They missed you.
NUHU RIBADU: Very lucky, for now.
LOWELL BERGMAN: He now lives in exile in the United kingdom

Beaf:
Dishonest people and liars sha.

They first strive to be whiter than oyinbo people (and fail woefully to superior arguments). . .
Then they change the topic title. . .
Then they tell bare faced lies. . .
Then they attempt pidgeonholing people with arguments that were never made. . .
Then they bring in stories that have no bearing on the issues at hand. . .

[size=14pt]Why do Nigerians grown ups lie?
Is this not the same sort of thing we witness from the ruling classes?

Is this not Nigeria's true problem?[/size]

The shock and horror of it all. . .
[img]http://www.biojobblog.com/surprise(1).jpg[/img]

You really are a[b] nutcase[/b]

@Beaf  with all your war mongering and seperationist rant, if war is declared today i can bet my life you'll be the first to relocate to cotonou.  

Afam:
You simply don't get it and that is why people easily get frustrated in arguments or debates - they think they should be convinced while others insist on convincing.

Obviously, your thought process is still at its infancy otherwise you would have realized that I have never bothered to convince you nor anyone for that matter.

Every single adult with a head on his/her should should be able to process information and make up his/her mind based on facts, logic and common sense.

So, I am not in the least interested in convincing you.

I only stated my opinion on the issue of juju which remains that it not only works for those that use them because I have seen people use it but is evil in my own opinion since all the incidents I have witnessed all boiled down to violence instead of good things.

Free your mind and learn to say "I don't know" when you are not sure of something. Only fools can categorically state as a matter of fact what they are not sure of.

May be in a few more years you will mature to the extent where you can live with what you do not expressly agree with. For now, continue raining down insults to people who disagree with you until it messes you up one day[b] or you lose your life over it.[/b]

@Jakumo You have been warned.

@Honda29 'tushe

@SEFAGO & JAKUMO

LOCATION:  OKIJA

TIME:   12:00 AM TONIGHT/ no african time. The gods do not like it.

ATTIRE: WHITE LOIN CLOTH

Please bring along your human sacrifices as this is mandatory for entrance.

"Afam did not win anything except the prize for Nairaland Donkey of the year, he is just displaying outright stupidity and making an effort to disregard logic for madness. His use of spurious logic and sophist responses defy any level of interaction."

@SEFAGO  As much as would love to agree with everything so you well analyzed, i would disagree that afam, and by the look of things, beaf, have not won anything? If you insist on this course of arguement then who do we give the golden smoked dried vulture head i and jakumo have designed for them as medals. And to think that when i resume duty on monday i would inform the commander of my regiment that i would not need the bullet proof vest and my m16 anymore. That reliable Nigerians have proven to me that cowrie shells, goat horns and the likes are all i need for protection. That all the training i have received is of no use anymore since i can call on the gods to help me design the bridges and runways that are part of my duties. Nay, i refuse to agree with you. Life is so much easier and simpler when i do believe them.  

Ps    you are almost as bad as jakumo: speaking unecessary grammar.

@beaf To give you the benefit of doubt, i sat back and thought about it and i still came to the conclussion that you are still a nutcase and are still too tempramental on issues like this.

@jakumo i just came back from a long and i must say refreshing jog to see you still using this big big english to address afam. Im head go explode ooo. I have told you before, relay your message simply in this format, "afam you don win. we don see the light and don de ready to give you gold medal wey we make of dried vulture head. Also we go need for you to enlighten, sorry teach us how this thing de work. you too much joo.

@beaf  i have a ridle/joke for you. what do get when you put 2 winchcraft mongers on a thread? Give up? The answer is MORONS. You are the kind of person who goes to babalawo to get contract, kill his rival for the love of a woman, burn his child's feet to bring out a confession on winchesm, sacrifice human beings to get that chieftancy title etc  God!!! people de sha.

@Afam  so for everything wey i write na only typographical error you see respond to? Na wa oh. Anyway, shey you get the point sha.

@ jakumo that's more like it

@beaf ok, i beg no vex. But you have to admit, you are too tempramental on issues like this.

@papabrowne I do not know what your intentions were in listing out the accomplishments of ND moguls but all you have done is acknowledge why Lagos is the best state in Nigeria. Lagos can be likened to the brain drain saga we are experiencing right now. "You do not feel comfortable in your state then come to lagos. we will provide you a condusive atmosphere to nourish whatever aspiration you might have." And that is what we need in this country, a place/situation where my dreams can come true. Soon you will be hearing of "lagos visa lottery".

@jakumo   In fact, tell the truth, you are either a columnist or an aspiring writer. The golden strokes of your literary brush will one day (i forsee) be compared to the mona lisa. My only problem is the strong illetelectual language used to make your point. Mr. Afam, i guarantee you, will not be able to understand it. (i can see him clicking away at google right now)  Please henceforth use simple english to communicate your argument to him e.g "winch no real. E no possible for woman to turn to cat like that". That should do it. There are two people so far that have blown me away with the manner, logic, humour and language used to argue their points on NL, (which does not mean i have to agree with them on all threads) one is sagamite and the other you. Alas this is my last weekend on NL for at least a while or i would have engineered a way for us to meet. Really, nice one.

Is this guy (afam) for real?

Beaf what have you ever done to help ND grow? Apart from talking about the problems and castigating government – young man go back home and put your house in order before you start to talking.
I am sorry to say it, but you are part of the problem and not the solution. You have nothing constructive to offer your people rather the easy exist of war/Mend.

@Bariga1    I sincerely believe that beaf is a nutcase but your above statement makes no sense. what exactly do you want him to do and how do you want him to do it in regards changing the scenario in the ND. I hear this a lot from Nigerians who say that people outside the country complain about how bad Nigeria is without doing their part to make it better. He is doing exactly what needs to done which is voicing his opinion and distaste against what is happening to his people (and hopefully voting as well). we cannot all be politicians and militants. Revolutions were begun with words and you have to give him credit, he has been consistent. You yourself live outside the country and i'm sure you make complaints about the situation in the country, so the question is what have you done to improve the situation in Nigeria? And please no fabrications.

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Re: MEND Say No More Ceasefire:
« #44 on: Yesterday at 06:24:09 PM »

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What does MEND AND NAIRALAND HAVE IN COMMON?

1) Both are faceless community.
2) Both Founded by Idenitity Compromised individual.Eg Henry Okah for Mend, Seun Osewa for Nairaland.
3) While Mend run her affairs through Commanders and Lietenants, Nairaland uses Moderators and Posters.
4) While Jomo Gbomo is the spokes person for Mend, Becomerich is the map man for nairaland.
5) While Mend fights for the welfare of ND, every member of nairaland fights for their regional and ethnic betterment
6) While mend wars against the federal govt, Nairaland fights any percieved corrupt Nigerian & sonetimes non Nigerians
7) While mend recently appointed the "Aaron team" to negotiate on their behalf, Nairaland will soon be appointing 'moderators' to fill vacent advertised positions
While some members of mend recently recieved amnesty, some members are Nairaland are equally due for same e.g============
9) While mend spare 'Men of God', Nairaland members spares nobody not even 'our most influently man of God.
10)While mend is seen as militant and rebel group, Nairaland is seen and called the 'jobless youth attacking govt policies community' Who will give us more?

I think you have accurately described yourself