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Union of Afamakus

~Bluetooth:
Shigidi-evil spirit
ibukun-blessing
eko o ni baje-lagos will not spoil
atupa-lantern
abela-candle
ferese-window
ojubo-shrine
tabili-table
ojo-rain
koko oyan-unmentionable
orekelewa-damsel
igi gedu-timber
pupa-red
korofo-empty
shapala-coarse
brb

shigidi = clay statue
atupa = oil lamp ( a lantern has a shade or enclosure)
igi gedu = Gedu tree/lumber/timber. Gedu, like Iroko, is a family of trees. Possibly same is referred to as gedu nohor.

Afam:
You are incapable of twisting my comments in order to achieve your selfish aim. Try again.

I thought I wrote Mid Western region somewhere when I made reference to the coup planner's origin/region?

Or, as we have come to realize now, people become Igbos when it is convenient for others to see them as Igbos and when it is not convenient they are identified as non Igbos.

I have no interest in twisting your words.

Afam:
The fact remains that for Ironsi to be marked for death and he foiled the coup should make it crystal clear that the coup was not an Igbo coup because the coup was led by someone from the Mid West and not South East or Eastern region as a whole.

Your above statement argues that the coup  was not an 'Igbo coup' because it was led by someone from the mid-west, implying that someone form the midwest is non-igbo.
I have simply asked you to provide evidence in support of it.
If that was not your purpose, then clarify yourself, instead of chasing ghosts and shadows.

@Afam
Do you have any evidence in support of your assertion that Nzeogwu was non-Igbo? as all accounts I have read said he was.

Afam:
The fact remains that for Ironsi to be marked for death and he foiled the coup should make it crystal clear that the coup was not an Igbo coup because the coup was led by someone from the Mid West and not South East or Eastern region as a whole.

Ojukwu helped in foiling the coup, Ironsi foiled the coup and yet Igbos had to be killed and blamed for the coup.

The envy and jealousy from other tribes were so much that they could not even pretend or hide them.

As they say, facts don't change. Lies do.

Who were you referring to as being from the mid-west, Nzeogwu or Ifeajuna?

~Jaguar~:
Surely not a good sign at all. I like Brett and have always struggled with players loyalty and their desire to win at all cost. I'm afraid he lost some points in the court of public opinion on this one.

On a side note, they can continue with the squabbles and distraction and watch the Saints get an even easier ride to the SB. Now, that would be sweet

Its good for the saints to know that they are not invincible ion the super dome.
I think the main threats to the saints SB trip are the Cardinals, Eagles, Packers and Vikings in that order, which is the same order for inconsistency

The cowboys management and coaches are just hilarious. They dropped Nick folk to pickup Shaun Suisham who was recently cut by the shitskins for missing a 23yd game winning FG against the saints.
What is that they say of[i] from the frying pan. . . . . . . .[/i]

Giants are killing the Shitskins 24-0 2nd qtr.

Hughes typed his own sack letter when he told the management that, after spending that much money, the realistic target for the season would be 6th. Did he think the Arabs were fools?

JeSoul:
Lol, you're looking for trouble eh Binna? I thought you were going to be preoccupied long term or at least till season's end, ensuring the Dallas cheerleaders are not the root of their problems 

I have been working hard on the dallas case, but given that they are likely not going to be in the playoffs, I felt i could spare the time to look into this as well. One can never have too much experience.

but . . .  sure you're welcome anytime . . . as long as my bodyguard permits  I almost never go anywhere 'dangerous' without him, and he has made it his personal responsibility and civic duty to tell me what is appropriate at pretty much all times [size=5pt] and boy have I been chastised on many an occasion lol[/size]

Dis bodyguard talk dey fear me small. I dont want to be mistaken for one with dishonorable intentions. I only seek to behold that which the Lord has done, and to declare it beautiful.
You having a bodyguard confirms my intuition that there is something worthy of all the protection. They say there is no smoke without a fire and I am suspecting some highly flammable stuff in your case. 

So do you think I should take a life insurance policy before coming to boston, or accidental injury coverage will be enough? cos I am one of those willing to die in the line of duty for the right cause

JeSoul:
Firstly - Context is everything! Paul laid down these rules for "propriety in worship"  in other words these guidelines, first and foremost were for when women came to church! A woman athlete running the 100m dash surely will be very scantily clad, with the entire definition of her fit figure contoured and showing, but is her dressing inappropriate for the occasion? of course not. When I go to the gym and play bball, I wear shorts sometimes, and a tight fitting tanktop - is it appropriate dressing for the setting? of course but would I wear such to church? of course not. And would I wear a dress suit to the gym or the grocery store or for when I wash my car? that would be silly and inappropriate.

So can I get an invite to the bball games? I would like to see first hand what appropriate dressing looks like

JeSoul:
Favre Refuses To Come Out Of Game - Brett Favre and Brad Childress have "heated discussion" during loss vs Panthers  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4761127

The end of the honeymoon, the begining of the Viking meltdown? 

Favre na diva, and childress might endup regretting signing him. Favre played like crap, and any other QB would have been pulled.
So seems we are witnessing another anthritis breakdown for Favre. Winning 1/3 in December is cowboys territory.

I dont see the chargers as being that good; the Bengals had them and just let it slip. Whichever, they will have to come to Indy to get to the SB.

The problem with the cowboys is that they feel they have arrived, when they are nowhere to be found.
How can a team hoping to get into the playoff, and possibly go deep, have the worst kicker in the NFL?
How can your starting LT be the most penalized player in the NFL?
How can your #1 receiver have only 1 reception against the saints and droped the ball on a 3rd down that nearly cost you the game? Roy Williams has just 37 receptions for 592yds and just 6 TDS . He is behind Austin and Witten on the Dallas reception starts, and his ranked 53rd in the NFL (behind rookies like Collie and Hervin  ). This is a guy you gave up 1st, 3rd & 6th round picks for, and signed to a $54m contract.

The cowboys win against the saint was a one off, and they will be back to their old self against the shitskins.

KunleOshob:
Do you realize he above highlighted assertion has absolutely no biblical basis [as you claim to fully believe in the bible] making statements like this is akin to adding to the word of God which i am sure you know is very wrong. The two examples of tithes we have in the bible had nothing to do with "all earnings" the abrahamic tithe is was a one off from war booty and not even from his massive wealth or income. The levitical tithes was strictly from agricultural produce and all other forms of income were ignored. Are you trying to show God that you know his will ore than himself by strecthing the jewish injunction to tithes there produce to mean christians[not jews] shuld tithe "all earnings" . I think you are the one expanding the definition of tithes to accomodate church promoted man made greedy an selfish doctrine.

Adding to the word of God?  I simply stated my understanding of it. The fact that you have a different view doesnt make mine wrong.
Feel free to hold on to your own interpretation/understanding, but please refrain from such allegations as above, as I feel it is unwarranted.

aletheia:
Could you please clarify what you mean by the bolded statement above. Sounds to me like some form of "salvation by works". Pleasing God has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with tithing for Christians. Tithes were a part of the levitical priesthood, abolished at the cross. To insist on it is to be like the Judaizers in Galatians who insisted on circumcision ( I wonder why that one is not controversial, after all, by the logic of pastors preaching tithing; since Abraham practised circumcision, we ought to all be circumcised). We might as well go all the way and sacrifice a goat once every year!

Matthew 25:34-36
Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was unclothed and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Not salvation by works, but simply subjugating your flesh to your soul by denying the flesh its desires (few would say their earning are excessive).
Circumcision was evidence of Gods covenant with Abraham. I dont see the similarity here.

aletheia:
1. Jewish sabbath - from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. So now you know.

Thanx. My initial guess would have been Sunday.

2. How exactly do I pay my "tithes" to God? Could you help me out there?

By setting aside the amount for His sake, and not simply because a pastor demand it or as an investment instrument. The reason for setting aside the tithe determines who you are paying it to.

I am not interested in Jewish traditions; its simply what my understanding of the issue is. For me the basis of Christianity is the entire Bible and not just the new testament. The people that did the will of God before the law, under the law, and after the law, should converge, as God is unchanged.

Another example is the Sabbath. I do not know which exact day of the week the jewish Sabbath falls on, but I work at spending at least 1/7th of my time communing with God. One should not spend so much time pursuing the things of the world that you forget to spend quality time with God. this I believe is the purpose of the commandment to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

That your giving should be from your heart cannot be understated, as you cannot deceive God. its like the difference between being a church goer and a true christian. Tithe is not a toll fee for salvation.
Everyone has the free will to choose, I just dont see the  0-100% 'giving' range as being workable (as most would likely choose 0%). Of course one can argue that if your heart is right, you will end up giving more than 10%, but then the 0% lower bound gives the flesh the upper hand. If 0% is not acceptable, there must be a higher value that is.

To be against the abuse of tithes is fine, but that should not equate to being against tithes itself, because tithes should be paid to God and not to a Pastor or any man.
In Nigeria, people are quite religious, but we do not fear God (else our country wouldn't be in the state it is). Hence they follow the pastor blindly, simply doing whatever he/she says, and sometimes results in them being led astray. Still, you cannot throw out the baby along with the bath water.

~Jaguar~:
Don't be shocked?? No ma'am, I'm not pulling your leg

so how should she address you onwards? uncle Jag, bros Jag, sir jag, or senior jag ?

~Jaguar~:
The weekend has been quite interesting. Didn't think it would be this painfull but I am still licking my wounds from the Saints Saturday loss

Dont worry, vikings went one better by losing to the Panthers That old man cant stand the winter cold

AFC
1. Colts (14-0) 
2. Chargers (11-3) 
3. Pats (9-5)
4.  Bengals (9-5)
5. Ravens (8-6)
6. Broncos (8-6)

Looking in: Dolphins, Jaguars, Jets, Titans, Texans and Steelers are all (7-7)


NFC
1. Saints (13-1)
2. Vikings (11-3)
3. Eagles ( 10-4)
4. Cardinals (9-5) 
5. Packers (9-5)
6. Cowboys (9-5)

Looking in: Giants (7-6)

Today has been quite interesting

Raiders 20-19 Broncos; Russell leads the raisers comeback from behind in the 4th qtr 

Packers 36-37 Steelers; Ben has 503yds against one of the leagues best passing defences, and saves Tomlin the embarassment of explaining the botched onside kick.

49ers 13- 27 Eagles; an that ends the 49ers slim playoff hopes

Dolphins 24- 27 Titans; Miami loses to an OT 46yd FG courtesy of a Henne INT, all after battling back from 24-6.

Browns 41- 34 Chiefs; I guess the sun shines on a dog's behind once in a while 

Bengals 24 - 27 Chargers; Bengals were in a position to win the game but shot themselves in the foot and eventually lost to a 52yd FG.

Vikings 7- 19 Panthers; Old man Brett's december arthritis seems to be kicking in

That you seem to narrowly define paying of tithes as a monthly payment to a pastor puts us on fundamentally different frequencies.

To me a tithe is 10% of all earnings, and tithing is setting aside (at least) 10% of one's earnings to honor God, as evidence of dependence on Him, and as a means of conquering the flesh. Abraham (out of something he did not keep eventually) and Jacob paid tithes and it wasn't because of the laws of Moses. It should not be because of any 10x reward system (and in fact I do not approve of 'prosperity preaching'). Like I said before, such is like seeking the kingdom of God because everything else will be given unto you.

Why the 10% lower bound? because that is the lowest fraction I have evidence of being acceptable unto God. I do not trust in simply using 'your discretion'. Cain used his discretion but came up short. If you feel the 10% is too much (or simply your income is not enough), I think you have failed in the purpose of depending on God. What we need, want, deserve and get, are often different.

Should it be paid monthly? Not necessarily so. If you earn your income monthly, then it is monthly; if you are contractor, then it could go with when your are awarded/paid for the contract; a retailer or a farmer might work out better on annual grounds. Bottom line, the amount should be set aside when it is earned, but I think you can afford to tally up depending on what eventual purpose you will put it.

What should be done with it? It should go towards the needy. The tithes paid by the Isrealites were not solely for the levites, and the reason the levites were included was because they had no inheritance. The common factor was being in need. If you have a pastor or church worker who (possibly because he is committed to the ministry full time and/or is not gainfully employed) is in need, he/she deserves a portion of the tithes. Depending on the specifics, paying to a church might enable one to be a part of a bigger project that could not be fulfilled easily by an individual (e.g. building an orphanage), but if your church uses the funds to simply support the opulence of a few, then you should reevaluate the credentials of said church and decide if you should continue attending such a church (talk less of paying your tithes to them). Deciding not to pay tithes to a particular church should not equate to you not paying your tithes and thus spending the money your self.

Must it be paid to a single entity? I don't think so. If you earn enough, distribution might be more in line with the true theme. 

This is my understanding from my reading of the Bible and not just selected passages that suits my preconceived position. I do not believe in focusing on just one section of the Bible, but rather seeking out the harmony of the entire text (and when in doubt, I will incline towards God's words over Paul's). I believe every entry in the bible has a purpose, and think it is dangerous to interpret verses in isolation. We have most likely all read the same passages, but simply have different understanding of them.

We have to go back to the topic of the thread, which I feel is an example of being focused on the literal interpretations of the words.
I doubt anybody would argue that a christian should be humble, modest, etc in not just appearance ,but in everything we do.
Most would also say that they are modest, while some would say anyone that wears gold or braids their hair etc are not modest. I say you should look at your/their deeds to find the truth, not the appearance.

segyemaro:
Biina,pls dont deviate from this topic. Also why have you failed to show us were Jesus encourages christain to tithe or were in the bible that also encourages apart from your mal:3-8 that you people always quote out of context to serve your selfish interest. You are a real advocate for tithing but no proof.So dont deviate from this topic pls.

You seem to like going around in circles.
I am sure you have read Mathew 23:23, but I am also sure you will come up with an excuse of why it is not applicable to you.
You have convinced yourselves that only the words of Paul are applicable to you (since those are the only text addressed directly to 'christians'), so feel free to ignore all other books in the bible.

A loss for Atlanta and 49ers this weekend will take both teams out of the playoffs and leave only the Giants looking in.
An additional bonus for Dallas is that a shot for the #1 spot has reopened for the vikings, and will likely go down to the the last game, which means the Giants will not get a free game at Minnesota.

I think the loss is good for them, it has cost them nothing more than perfection, but helps them identify some deficiencies. A loss in the playoff would be more costly.

~Jaguar~:
Geaux Saints! Who dat?[/color][color=#990000][/color]

Cowboys dat!!! Saints 13-1

Cowboys 24- 17 Saints

platinumnk:
I dont even know mehn

Its a game of matchups, and the cowboys matchup well against the saints

Well Saint on the edge with Dallas playing lights out!

Dallas 24-3 Saints at start of 4th qtr

game online
http://www.nfl.com/
or
http://veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b2d721bd9148

I am not saying that you should disregard entirely what the passage says, but that one should not get caught up in the literal interpretation of the words used.
Like I said before, if your thoughts and thus your resources are dedicated mainly towards your physical appearance, then it is doubtful that your deeds would be as desired, and if your focus is on not braiding your hair, not wearing gold  or whatever you deem expensive, it is all for nothing if your heart and your deeds are not as should be.
Of course there are the extreme cases, that even a blind man can judge. For example, there are some clothes that are less for comfort and more for seduction. One who wears such cannot claim modesty, when all that she is suppose to be shy about is boldly displayed.

If the aim was a champions league spot, then he is not far off. I expected him to get till the end of the season. Though Hughes didnt do himself any favors with the string of draws and inconsistent performances.

@kunle
Do you keep any of the other remaining commandments? what about thou shall not kill? (if you do, please explain why)

The rich usually cant buy patience. I doubt Mancini would be any better though (single club experience outside of EPL), and would have expected them to go for a higher profile coach like hiddink.

eghosaobas:
bina,you dont know what you are saying,if you are realy sure of what you are saying,please show me were it is in the bible to tithe,if you are able to do this,both me an d my houehold will start tithing from 5yrs ago.

There is tithing in the bible. The issue is that you argue that it is not applicable to you simply because there is no direct statement of it in the letters of Paul.