Android17: Remember I said in my opinion, because it is based on how I understood him. To me, he was not talking about KG as though he was an unsuccessful bum. His HOF credentials is why his jersey is being retired, but birdman felt like a player of his status should be getting interviews on many basketball shows and his opinion should be sought after. That is how I understood his dig at him with respect to his attitude. When you asked him if that was his way of measuring success i.e doing shows, getting interviews, he accepted that there are many ways to quantify success but he was only establishing the like-ability dynamic to success. Mayors are voted right? Which means they are charismatic and likeable. Moguls are successful but what type of mogul? Dwayne Wade, Barkley, Shaq have become media moguls if you please. They might be controversial but people do like hearing their opinion etc because even with their controversy, they are like-able. Bill Russell and Lew Alcindor are people still revered even for their opinions but that is not really the case with KG even though he is rich. That does not mean I think he is not likeable FYI. I am telling you how I understood what birdman was saying.
bro, thats what I was going for. Buts lets keep the peace yall. It has degenerated and is not serving any good imo. We no need this kain wahala on tuesday. We aint even halfway into the week. I sheathe my sword. Make roland17 put down the pistol
Roland17: This is why I said you should just shut it if you don't know what you are talking about because you are obviously out of your element. Last year only 18%, freaking 18% of black students in 4th grade scored proficient or above in reading. Do you know the percentage for white students? 45% freaking 45% and you are asking me to show you people?
Statistics also show that the chances of a kid dropping out of school when they are unable to read by 4th grade is at 79%..freaking 79%.. So don't tell me what you absolutely have no knowledge about. remember I warned you to be careful because this is a territory I am actively involved in (primary health care and education in underserved communities). Do you want me to show you the economic distribution also? When I told you that for every TMAC/ JB you mention, I will mention 20, I was not joking. This is only for 4th graders.. 18 freaking percentage in comparison to 45%.. Please leave this conversation because you no reach at all.
Not what I asked for, but you know what bro, lets agree to disagree. I respect you personally, and your views,as well. To be honest this is not the way to debate this, so I will move on from this. I dont think it benefits either of us, or anyone on this thread. We are not learning anything, just trowing toxic poo around.
If I have offended you, and I am sure I have with all the paragraphs, please forgive me.
Roland17: Stop confusing yourself, this is how you confuse yourself. Read what you wrote and compare with what I wrote.
You are the one that said you know 20 for every baller. You want to tell me that in your Boston, you even know 20 african americans? Talkless of 20 per baller? But of course you know we are only talking about nba folk.
So I repeat, give us some names of NBA folk, or admit you didnt know what you were talking about. Its simple really.
Roland17: You are chewing water when you should actually be drinking! Out me like that? Alaye, that is some real high talk coming from you.
The problem with many of you is that you choose to interpret issues from the lenses of politics. This is not a liberal or conservative issue my friend..this is a real issue that is not going away. Whether it is used as a backhand or insult to black folks, it does not negate the fact that it is a REALITY to the AA community. You are mentioning TMAC and the rest like that is the AA story when it comes to equal access to quality education and healthcare.. I asked you to prove me other wise and be careful because I am actively involved in these issues. if you follow any of my political discuss, you should know I don't align my decisions based on political divide but you obviously do and that is why you have once again generalized.
Have I seen Lebron's writing on official documents? Is this a joke of some sort of what? Everyone and their mama knows Lebron is bad with written grammar, the evidence abound the internet and it has been a discussion numerous times. This is not a slap on him because it is a reality in the AA community. Speaking good English does not necessarily translate into good written grammar. What makes you think Lebron wrote the words you are alluding to by himself using his own words? Just stop it already.
Grammar. You said you know 20 AA for every erudite baller. Please name just 20. 5 sef, in the NBA. We are waiting...
And post Lebron's bad writing evidence. In your haste, you forgot that even in high school, students know how to write! For your info, Lebron graduated from St Vincents. Most self run businesses in Yankee only have GED equivalent of education. Its mostly conservative talk show hosts that keep spreading the myth that the average baller is under educated
You dont know what you are talking about bro. Pls educate yourself
Roland17: For every TMAC, Jaylen Brown and Patrick Beverley you mention, I can mention 20 African Americans that struggled with formal education. These guys know their story is not the story of the average African American. More importantly, stop this rubbish about liberal narratives or right winged politics.. My positions are driven by the reality on ground not politics!
Mention them. Please mention 20 AA ballers that you know cannot read/write well.
Roland17: If you like edit, if you like no edit, I already read what you wrote and I leave you to your conscience.
Have you seen any of Lebron's writing? I am not sure you have because if you have, you will realize spelling and sentence construction like many African Americans is not his biggest strength. This has not affected Lebron's ability to manage his financial success, neither has it for KG. With that being said, You can not sit down there and with a straight face tell me that African Americans are afforded the same quality of education as their Caucasian counterparts. Have you heard of underserved educational districts? Which people live majorly in these communities? Be careful with your responses because I am actively involved with many of these underserved communities in numerous capacities not limited to primary/community health and education.
For every TMAC, Jaylen Brown and Patrick Beverley you mention, I can mention 20 African Americans that struggled with formal education. These guys know their story is not the story of the average African American. More importantly, stop this rubbish about liberal narratives or right winged politics.. My positions are driven by the reality on ground not politics!
my conscience is clear. I deleted it because I did not want to out you like that.
what you said is what liberals like to say to patronize black folk. They make it sound like they are being understanding, but it is a backhanded insult to black folk. Have you seen Lebrons writing on official documents? Not tweets o, I mean real business documents. For real, have you? Or are you just making assumptions.
Fall back with that BS bro, you missed me with this
Android17: I don't speak for Birdman but it was clear he was praising KG for getting his jersey retired and suggesting that his attitude was the reason he was not gracing shows, making appearances and interviews like other HOFs. You asked him if doing those things equated to success and he admitted that KG might have money but that he is not liked like Kobe was. You bringing up his wealth does not relate with what Birdman was saying IMO.
man, this is exactly what I was saying. the guy just goes off ranting abut stuff I didnt even bring up. even the moguls and mayors I brought up was to buttress my point that there is more than one way to succeed.
"But I haven't seen Garnett get into anything since his old talk show"
and the famous habit of choosing a narrative based on your likeness and dislike for a player
"And he really is not liked by most players"
Why not educate yourself about people before you spill narratives that are driven by your dislike for the said player? some are Mayors and Moguls, what does that mean? Stop trying to turn this amala because it has rubbed your face, it will not work. If being on mainstream media is not a measurement for success, then why is a problem that KG is no longer on TV? Oh because I have shown you the numerous things he is involved in now you want to change face?
Dude, that was in answer to a question you asked!!! And nowhere there did I state he wasnt successful at something else. You tripping for nothing!
I brought it up to say there is more than one way to succeed. you are yarning jazz right now. just shooting at shadows
Roland17: Coherence, eloquence is not the greatest skill for many African American players. I mean we read their tweets and know many of them can't spell correctly, worth more writing.. This man was drafted out of high school and the only thing that mattered to him was getting out of poverty which is the same story for many African American men playing in the NBA..
Edit: I cleaned up my initial response, prolly a little too harsh. Abeg lets be careful with the stereotypes I will address this separately since you brought it up. Im going to call you out as well, since you also live in America
Most AA players can speak well and run their personal businesses well. What you are talking about is a stereotype that we as black people should never feed into.
Did Lebron go to college? Does he not speak well? Is he not running a half billion dollar empire? Have you heard Pat Beverly speak? You think just cuz he balls like a dog he isnt eloquent? Most players in the NBA can hold their own regardless of education. Who can tell that TMac didnt go to college? Remember you never hear jack about 99% of the league, because there is nothing egregious to report on.
Roland17: This is absolutely petty coming from you especially since you live in America. What exactly is the purpose of this argument? I have asked you initially.. Is appearing on mainstream media as a pundit or having a show the most important yardstick for measuring success (including financial) for a HOF player?
Coherence, eloquence is not the greatest skill for many African American players. I mean we read their tweets and know many of them can't spell correctly, worth more writing.. This man was drafted out of high school and the only thing that mattered to him was getting out of poverty which is the same story for many African American men playing in the NBA..
I ask you again, what is your point? Is KG poor now? Is he hungry? Is he broke because he is not on TV? What exactly is the purpose of this debate? I already know you don't like KG or the Celtics for that matter but what is the goal here? Someone proposed $200M of his money to invest in the purchase of the Timberwolves, has financial stakes with the Boston Red Sox, has invested portfolios in tech business and other numerous investments yet, it is not having a show on mainstream media that is his biggest downfall?
Because who is on TV? which HOF is on TV doing TV? Chuck/Shaq? who else? What are you trying to achieve here is what I want to know..
Im not sure where you are going with this. You are answering questions I didnt ask. The man deserves his retirement, but he likes to talk over other people, and it has rubbed may the wrong way. End of story. Where did all these paragraphs on being poor and not being able to spell come from. I didnt mention any such thing!!
Sheesh. Reread what I wrote - any other thing you are ascribing to what I wrote is in your mind!
Lemme post is it again:
Well deserved. If not for his stinky attitude, he should be should still be a regular face on sports shows.
Translation: Retired jersey is deserved. But he has attitude problems. Where did you get all this epistle from
Roland17: This has become your mantra. You guys read too much into being liked or not being liked as your motivation. How did you come up with the 2nd embolden, you must have been there during production meetings! And for the records, KG has one of the biggest following in the NBA..The man literally redefined his position in modern day NBA. Is this debate trending towards he is broke or what? I just want to be sure what this argument is about. Because his show got cancelled and is not on mainstream media means what? Are you aware he has been trying to buy the Timberwolves with $200M as part of his own investment with a group? Tim Duncan has left the assistant coaching role with the Spurs, does that mean he is not successful in his own right? How about the mail man? Our own Olajuwon nko?
brotherly calm down
Enjoy Garnett interviewing himself below. There is no way producers are not cautioning you on this, because it is making the interview terrible, not better. That he keeps doing it means he didnt care. The part I posted is the better part. It got much worse when they moved to discussing defense etc.Edit: Found it
Roland17: I guess regular appearances on sports shows have become the greatest measuring yard stick of success for HOF ex-players.
Not really? I mean some have turned into mayors and moguls. There are many ways to succeed. But I havent seen Garnett get into anything since his old talk show. And he really is not liked by most players. Even the show he had, took a nose dive because it would turn into Garnett interviewing himself. I can imagine the producers tried to correct him and he stuck to his guns - crazy dont work off the court.
Roland17: As for Udonis, he should stop embarrassing himself and give that spot to a young kid that has something to prove. If he is important for the locker room then let him be hired as an assistant or in some capacity.
For real. Must they fire you before you know its time to quit?
A40: They are all dishonest people. How old is Tom Brady that won Superbowl this year and nobody dares bet against them this coming season. People act like we are not in an era where players can extend their primes like never before
had to go all the way to the NFL, as you no see road for NBA again. yeye dey smell
A40: Nonsense. Imagine saying with a straight face that they are not in the same class. What kind of irresponsible comment is this?
Kyrie vs Westbrook Harden vs Lebron AD vs KD
You're telling me the Lebron y'all swore was the best player in the world last year is not in the same class with notorious playoff choker James Harden? Or that AD cannot hold his own against KD especially on defense. If you tell me Kyrie is better than WB I hear but by what margin?
Bottomline una no serious at all
There is a reason no exec picked Lebron: Father Time
Khanben: Brooklyn's big 3 at this stage of their career, when healthy are the better trio. Also their fit is more organic. Lebron has only played well alongside shooters, which Westbrook is not
Just based on prime playing age alone, they are not even in the same class. This is not a honest take from a40
A40: I'm saying save for the much hullaballoo about the 3 ball the Lakers IMO have the best big 3. Considering their size and skillset they are the most balanced of all big 3's. Westbrook (fingers crossed) will not have enough opportunity to shoot the Lakers out of a playoff game. This is the biggest thing everyone seems to be ignoring. For him to go cap in hand to join Lebron it means he's now ready to limit his bad tendencies
So you think Lebron, AD and WB is better than Durant, Harden and Kyrie? Even with only AD in his prime vs Durant Harden and Kyrie still in their prime?
A40: Let's compare the Big 3s of each team that supposedly has a big 3 H2H and let's see who comes out tops
Hmm, take Nets for example, I know who the big 3 is. What about Warriors? After Curry, Klay, is it Green or Wiggins or... Depends on what aspect of the game you are looking at?
SmooshCHN: Yes, of course. I can't wait for their power ranking. It'll be laughable if the Lakers ain't top 2. ESPN is a joke so. It's even more funny how LeBron took it so personal.
steady986: Lol. He's 37 years old and entering his 19th season. By default he's not even supposed to be a top player in the league. We'll take the underdog role; he's paid his dues already.
I agree. Kobe too got pissed when ESPN said he wasnt even a top 10 player. But they were proven right, time had caught up with him.
steady986: Terry Rozier getting a 4yr $97m deal makes me want to cry for Schroder more
For real. And Boston is the worst place for him to showcase his talents imo - he will be playing a secondary role. He doesnt act like someone who can dig deep and come up a stellar season in a bad spot. Lets see though
Khanben: Everybody he guarded worked for every point they scored and always looked gassed at the end of game. Add that to his passable rebounding averages, and ability to warrant a defender when he spaces the floor on the offensive end, overall hustle, and you will find few players who fit that skillset, who can guard 2 through 5 (and bigger 1s). Finally he freed Giannis from being the primary defender on the opposition best wing defender on most possessions. This allowed Giannis to focus on help defense, both strong and weak side, and Giannis is arguably one of the best if not the best at playing help defense. PJ Tucker is a player who is good based on fit, he is like Tayshaun prince with the Detroit pistons and Ariza with the Lakers (difference is he is a better rebounder and Prince and Ariza are slightly better scoring).
This. He does the dirty work and lets the stars be stars. Dude can score 2 points all game, and he gon still defend like you owe his mama money. Like you said, his offense is mainly spot up 3s so I would say he is more like Shane Battier than Ariza or Prince.
Hehe, I just looked him up, I didnt realize Battier never left the Heat. looks like he retired after the Lebron rings then joined the front office. Class act!
Sports › Re: The NBA Begins by birdman(m): 9:42pm On Aug 24, 2021
