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DappaD:
No
Leave those ‘board of directors’ out of this. I asked you a simple question, where are Adam and Eve now?

In the dust. Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

DappaD:
Calm down. This is not job interview. You ask questions, I ask questions. That's how it should work.


1. Please where did God say Adam and Eve will go after they sinned and died?

2. What is the second death as revealed by Revelation 21:8?

Explain. Using only scriptural references.

As your lordship pleases.
Do you know anything about the word "SHEOL"?! Well, that is by the way.
1. God said they will die the same day they eat of the forbidden fruit, even then after eating the fruit, man did not die (physically)!
God said " you will return to the ground, out of it was thou taken: you are dust, and unto dust you shall return".... Hey, hey, hey beloved, before you are quick to jump up and conclude that God meant that will be the end of every man, ask yourself - Is man Dust Alone? Hahahahahahahahahaha
Gen 2:7 - the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL.
Hey, the flesh is from the dust but the BREATH is not! The writer of Ecclesiastes said the body goes into the grave but the spirit goes to where? Hahahahahahaha
Now, Jesus was exposing a secret to his listeners and he said "God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is not the God of the dead (God forbid!) , He is the God of the Living!" How can God be the God of Abraham and still be God of the Living? Perhaps, Abraham, Jacob and Isaac are still alive?
The Lord God was talking to Cain and he said - "Your brother's blood cry unto me from the ground."
C'mon isn't Abel dead? Why is his blood still speaking good things?
Go and study your bible without have to depend on some board of directors (no abuse intended) , and you will know where Adam, Eve, Cain, Abraham, Abel, and the likes went.

Maximus69:
First of all present your own answers and be rest assured that ours can never be the same with yours.
Answers with convincing explanations back with the scriptures!

Witnesses are notorious for shoving interpretation down people's throat.
If Paul says "it shall vanish away" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the "1st century".
If Jesus says there shall be " gnashing of teeth" , witnesses will tell you that he was talking about the decay of the bones.
So, I won't go first.

DappaD:
1. The devil and his angels/demons depart into an everlasting cutting-off (Matthew 25:41, 46)

2. Those angels are still rebellious demons under Satan control, the answer to that is in number 1.
Satan and his demons will completely be annihilated in the ‘lake of fire’ symbolizing the second death (Revelation 20:10, 21:

3. a. Yes, Judgment Day is a time period when mankind in general will be called to account by God. This time period as revealed by Revelation, refers to the Millennial Rule of Jesus Christ.

b. Jehovah God is the Eternal Judge over all creation. He is the Judge of the whole earth. (Genesis 18:25). But on this occasion, God has appointed his Son, Jesus Christ to do the judging (John 5:22, Acts 10:41, 2Timothy 4:1)

c. During the millennial reign, there will be a resurrection of all those who have died throughout mankind's history (Acts 24:15)
Those resurrected will be given the opportunity to exercise faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice and make necessary changes before they'll be judged! (Revelation 20:12, 13)

1. Let's not mingle with English puh-leaaaze, which one is "Everlasting Cut-off"?
2. How does lake of fire translate to total destruction?
" Gibrah" is the Hebrew word for grave. "Gehenna" is something else entirely....
How does "Gehenna" then translate to grave?
3. a. Do you mean all mankind? Or just the righteous ones (like the JW)?
b. Spot on! Agreed!
c. What happens after they are judged?

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To start with, let me pan out that SALVATION IS IN JESUS ALONE!
I realized that many apologetics and Witnesses try to find a soft landing when propagating the truth that "God is love", In a bid to achieve this, they decided to believe that hell fire is not real. Hahahahahahaha
When asked to provide scriptures, they run to Ecclesiastical and try to shove it down everyone's throat. Honestly, you don't just sit by one scripture and then twist the rest to suit what you believe.
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Hey, answer this please;
1. What happens to the devil and his angels?
2. What happens to the angels that did not keep their estate but went after the daughters of men?
3. Is judgement day real? Who is going to be the judge? Who is he/ are they going to judge?
Let's see how far fallacies can travel ..

This guy is drunk.

Maximus69:
Regarding your question~
These GIFTS will be short-lived because the purpose was to help suspicious Jews to notice the group that God is using in the last days! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

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Like seriously?!
Jehovah's Witnesses (be like): Tomorrow is the Today Apostle Paul talked about yesterday.

Maximus69, please I will need to have your resolve on this...
Did the scripture actually claim that the miraculous signs and wonders will cease after the first century?

DappaD:
Whatever you were healed by, it wasn't by the power of the true God Jehovah.

The gift of holy spirit was to show that the early Christian congregation had God's backing but it was to last a short time until the congregation had grown into maturity.
After that, apostle Paul wrote under inspiration :
1Corinthians 13:8.
“Love never fails. But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with. ”
Here clearly shows that the miraculous gifts of my spirit were short-lived and it was done away with in the first century.

Oh Lord, how I so much hate DENOMINATIONS!
Seriously?! Did you read this verse yourself and come to that conclusion?! Can you prove to me that it was not your board of directors that interpreted this scripture to you?
Surely, you can answer this....
1. From what time till what time was the Miraculous signs and co. supposed to last?
2. Before the arrival of Christ, will Christians demonstrate the power of God or not? (Hahahahahahaha.. Many scriptures are waiting for you like a two edged sword)
Let's be honest, this is what actually happened - The founders of JW org did not have a taste and reality-revelation of God's glorious power (signs, wonders and the likes), so they were disappointed by that shortcoming. With one or two scriptures that can be twisted to soothe them, they concluded that everyone seen demonstrating the power of God is actually not by the Holy Ghost unction, they concluded that those aspects of Christ-likeness was limited to the Early apostles. Oh, poor members! The offspring of this denomination was deprived of the grace of tasting and being a vessel through which God's power can be manifested.
Peace bro!

Xmuslim:
I think these verses agree with the Islamic explanation of predestination. It's against your explanation of future doesn't exist in God's mind

Xmuslim, do you understand what I was trying to explain? If you do, then you will have realized that none of those verses claimed that you were predestined for anywhere! If you don't, I will like to hear your insight (according to your understanding) of those Scriptures Caveat Guy gave. I blame denominations found in this age of Christianity, an average believer reads the bible with a preconceived mindset of "God is omni-this, God is omni-that".
I'm curious, do you believe in the big bang and in evolution?

I love using analogies (smiles... I learnt that from Jesus) to explain scriptures and I will do that here.
Are you married? Do you have kids?
Well, before my member (My penis) was developed enough to start producing capable sperm cells that are capable of producing babies, I've always thought and wandered how my married life will be - Most especially my wife and most most most especially, the Kids.
From my thoughts, i always have it in mind to do the following
1. Bequeath all that I have to them after I pass away
2. Teach them many ways to make cool money
3. Teach them the right way of life
4. Help them in all that they do...
I don't know of you, but every upcoming father have something similar to these in mind. These kids do not exist yet, but their potential father has already laid down his promises, entitlements, rights and enjoyment for them.
Now, imagine after being celibate for years, I realized that I was impotent or I wasn't medically capable of producing babies, what does this mean to me? Woe! For there will be no one to inherit all that i have and no one to enjoy those things I have thought of. Luckily, I can decide to adopt babies, and the babies I adopted will then fit into the title of "MY Kids" and they will eventually inherit all that I have promised them (even before I was able to produce sperm).
Now, God himself calls us "Sons" and he calls himself "Father"... He is the father and we are the son.
Just like me, before God even started the creation stuff, he had already fantasized, written and laid down all of his promises for the unborn son.
I am repeating this again - " Your existence start in the womb! You were nowhere before your father's sperm met your mother's egg! There are no baby factories in heaven!"
Now, you will agree with me that;
I didn't foreknow my kids as Peter, Bola, Tope and Jamal (or any other means of personal fired identification, they were nonexisting as at then!) , I foreknow them as "MY KIDS", " MY UNBORN KIDS!"
God didn't foreknow you as Xmuslim, Blabbermouth, Aliu or Seun (you've not even started existing! ), He foreknew you as "SONS"... The promises were for " HIS BORN AND YET UNBORN SONS", the glory was for " BORN AND YET UNBORN SONS".
Hey! There are NO BABY FACTORIES IN HEAVEN!
Now, go reread those Scriptures and see what the writer actually meant...
If you still are not convinced, point the part out please.

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Xmuslim:
I think these verses agree with the Islamic explanation of predestination. It's against your explanation of future doesn't exist in God's mind

I was busy eating all the meat and drinks the Salah festival brought my way, how have you been sir?
I did go through every of the scripture and it turns out it will be a lot of burden dissecting each and every of the scripture..
All those scriptures will be swallowed by a scripture in Isaiah (This scripture is far better than the ones the Caveat guy gave you

Isaiah 46:10 (Message Version)
"From the VERY BEGINNING telling you what the ending will be, All along letting you in on what is going to happen, Assuring you, 'I'm in this for the long haul, I'll do exactly what I set out to do.'

Isaiah 46:10 (KJV VERSION)
" Declaring the end from THE BEGINNING, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure."
I don't know why many dogged Christians find it hard to UNLEARN and RELEARN... Anyone that has been fed by only what he Has heard from pastors and third parties will quickly come to the conclusion that God was saying He knows the future. No!
If we were both seeing a movie and after about 7 scenes, I said - "Hey look, Odunlade Adekola will be shot in cold-blood by his wife"... Now, its possible I have actually watched the film before and from the foreknowledge, I told you what will happen to Adekola.
What Did I Just Do?
I just told you the end from THE END! It's because I I have gotten to the end of the movie (watched it completely) that was why I was able to tell you what will happen even before it happened.
Now look at that scripture, where did God say he will declare the end from?
THE BEGINNING OR THE ENDING?
if God himself said " from the very beginning ", that does not in any way equate to " knowing the future", hahahahahahaha... That is actually him telling you - "Hey, I will orchestrate events that will constitute the ending (right from the starting), and no one will be able to stop my plan. I am the LORD!"
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MODIFIED:
Let us view those Scriptures you sent so that all may be justified and the truth be revealed. (I picked only the ones that are related to the subject matter, some do not even relate with what we said)
1. Ephesians 1:4-5
"According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him in love. 5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of Children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"
2.Romans 8:29-30
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among brethren. 30. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
To start with, funny Christians usually believe that there is a baby factory in heaven from where God will just throw babies into a woman's womb. So from this belief, they tend to err by concluding that God has already calculated those he will put in heaven, perhaps he has given them a mark in the butts, so it doesn't matter what they do, they will end up in the new Jerusalem. That nonsense is so false! Hey, you are nowhere before you were born! I was nowhere before I was born! There is no baby factory in heaven!
God was talking to prophet Jeremiah and he said - "While I was forming you IN YOUR MOTHER'S WOMB, I foreordained you to be my prophet"
Your existence starts in the womb!
Now let us go back to those Scripture, and I will explain two things that will clarify everything.

Major001:
There are three schools of thought when it comes to the rapture and great tribulation.

* Pre-Great Tribulation (rapture before the great tribulation)

* Mid-Great Tribulation (rapture during the great tribulation)

* Post-Great Tribulation (rapture after the great tribulation)


I belong to the first school of thought because, like I said in the write-up, God has not appointed His children to wrath (neither His...nor that of the antichrist).
Either way...the three schools of thought believe in the rapture. So, whether it's before, during or after...the key thing is for us to be ready...and not miss it for anything.

If this conversation was in the 1920s, I wouldn't even bother trying to tell people that the "wrath" is different from the "tribulation".... You see, the hour is too near and people need to know the truth. Why? Mass Ignorance will be one of the reasons why people will fall away easily.
The "Wrath of God" is not the same as the "Great Tribulation" - #So says the scripture.

Major001, I did enjoy your excerpt, thank you.
Concerning the different schools of thought on eschatology by different believers, we can evidently say that there are just two major views.
1. Those that are led by the Word and do know of a truth that the tribulation will happen before any rapture... Also, no believer alive will be spared
2. Those that love the prosperity gospel, don't want to go through harsh suffering and have watched too much of end time movies that are not based on the scripture.
PS: No single scripture, no, not one! proves that anybody will be taken away before the Man of Sin is revealed. If you have any, you can tender them please.
The issue is - Many people mistake the "Great tribulation" for the "wrath". Hahahahahahaha, they are 2 different concepts!
Great tribulation is anchored by the Antichrist
The Wrath is anchored by God himself; in fact, the wrath is commonly called " the wrath of God".
So is the Antichrist the same with God? No, God forbid.

OAM4J, frontpage please.

Forget India!
There should be a way to send financial help to those families right?
Or say, fly to them to better countries where they can hold on to their faith without persecution.

Maximus69:
What i said is not just a wishful thinking my friend, it's what God's word confirmed as the last event on this planet regarding false religion!

I hear.

Maximus69:
Whether people like it or not all the religionsists and atheists will form one group and the one and only true Christians will stand against that arrangement, that's what God's word says.

Scriptures please....

Maximus69:
Jehovah's Witnesses claims they'll be that one and only group that will be the last standing out, so if you know of any better group present it but the idea that Jesus will merge all these false religions under the influence of Satan as his own is a dream that will never come true.

Says who? The board of directors?

Maximus69:
He said narrow road leads to destruction but broad road leads to everlasting life {Matthew 7:13-14} He will separate the sheep from the goat, the sheep will be saved but goats destroyed {Matthew 25:31-46} He will separate the fine seeds from the weeds {Matthew 13:24-30} So don't deceive yourself that he will come and congratulate all the religionsists as if they're all practicing true Christianity, rather majority will be condemned! Matthew 7:21-23

It comes as a joke the way you guys believe only one sect is actually right with Christ. Newsflash! God and His Son Jesus do not belong to any church! They do not belong to JW Org!
When I said the Lord will merge churches together, I meant the lord will merge "Everyone that belongs to him"... Lastvi checked, Jesus doesn't discriminate by the church you attend.
I will implore you to not just always chew what those in JW authorities have sent you. Please... Puh- leaaaaze.... know and seek the word for yourself.

Maximus69:
All the groups on planet earth will soon form one global Religion, by then it will remain just two forms of worship, those on God's side and those on Satan's side.
That's why it's very important now to IDENTIFY the one and only true Christian Organization that God is using to guide his faithful worshipers in this end time.
Because by the time all the others are gathered against God's only group, majority will find it really difficult to understand why this single group remain standing when all others have fallen!

Please put God first and not your "Kingdom Hall". I do believe you are following the signs of the end time and closing in how near the end is.
Let me pan out that it is necessary for all groups, sects and denomination to become one. To what you said above, there will be a time where we will have a One World Government and a One Church Government (A Global Ecclesia)... Fortunately and unfortunately, the statement that Jehovah witness will be the only one standing, is definitely NOT TRUE!
It should not be a shock to you that the Lord can overturn the wheels, frame, and the engine of Christianity in just a generation; those false doctrines will all be rooted out, unnecessary doctrines, fables and fallacy and our orientation of what salvation is, will be reinstated.. So you see, no special room for any sect, if truly your watchword is " Love", then that should come as a goodnews to you.
This is my fear - JW are a rugged sect of believers, when the whole church is merging and reforming into that Govt established by Christ, the JW members might be so headstrong believing that they can stand alone.
I believe you know, what is happening to Christians in China, is nothing compared to what is coming. When those that stay united will stand strong in their bond, those that are divided will be fall in that division.
I pray the Lord that He enlightens us all.

"This is my Commandment, that you love one another Just as I have loved you.
Greater love than these hath no man, than one that lays down his life for you" - Jesus the Christ.
Anyone reading that, will be so quick to tell the chinese president of how much Wrath God hath descended upon powerful men like him in the past. Others will be humanely irritated by the supposed persecution the president and the state are inflicting on the Christians in China. While that is not bad, it is not totally wise.
If Peter, Paul, John, or the Lord Jesus himself were with us (in body) today, the would have covered their face in grief over what is left of our so called Christianity. If I were Peter, I would have said "Was this what I endured persecution, tribulation and a gruesome death for?"
What ought to be the reaction of the body of Christ to these people?
Who has bewitched us? Of what benefit are the numerous denominations and sects we have currently?
In a nutshell, Christians from other part of the world ought to reach out to them and give them every kind of supports (most especially, financial support). If need be, we should fly them to other better countries where Christianity is well tolerated.

Xmuslim:
It's nice engaging with you bro. I have learned new things from you. You have tried. However, I'm not convinced about your religion. But thanks anyway.

Trust me, that spirit we call the "Spirit of God" is more than enough to convict you if this discussion was meant to bring your salvation. Hahahahaha
You see, the ones that have tasted other religion are sometimes the most grounded in faith when they end up reconciling with Christ.
The Lord will visit you soon!

Xmuslim:
I'm not a perfect being, but I think the best option is to find out the cause of his behaviour and rehabilitate him if possible. If a crazy man kill your child, it's not right to kill him because he's out of his senses. Some behaviour like stealing, killing etc may have causes that's beyond the offender. Rehabilitation is what I support. If the person can't be rehabilitated, he should be kept away from the community, so that he won't harm no one. If it is not possible to keep him away from the community, he should be expel from the planet (capital punishment). Note that I will change my answer if I know a better way other than above.

You still haven't answered my questions. Those questions don't require plenty paragraphs bro.

One mistake you guys make is comparing a supreme being to imperfect human when it comes to certain issues such as eternal hell. However, you do claim that God's way cannot be understood sometimes. I think it's contradictory.

My stand is clear. If God create man and he has unlimited power and unlimited knowledge, he should be able to know how human feels. He should know that eternal hell is not the answer to sin.

Let I forgot, according to many Christian, not accepting jesus is enough to make one suffer eter nal hell even if that person never commit those crimes you mentioned. They will claim his mind committed offences and without jesus in his life, he will be punished with eternal hell

1. "According to many Christians, not accepting Jesus is enough to make one suffer eternal hell even if that person committed those crime you mentioned..."
You do not understand what "salvation" is. What are you being saved from? What are you being redeemed into? If you understand, you will have understood how Paramount it was for one to receive Christ.
Hint: God's goal was for every creature (even down to the trees, and the waters) to become one with him. This he did through the person and ministry of Jesus the Christ of God. Whatever will not conform to this plan will be exiled.
I so much wish God will allow you into his heart and make you feel exactly how he feels seeing what he created perfect committing all kind of sins and atrocities..How he feels seeing a large chunk of the earth subjected like a dog to the power of death. How it hurts him when you reject the wonderful gift of salvation he has offered you.
Talk to me again about man being "human", yet give no shit about how their creator feels when they go against him and commit all kind of sins, atrocities and immoralities.
Malachi 1:6
"A son honours his father and a servant his master: If then I be a father, where is mine honour? If I be a master, where is my fear? Saith the Lord of Hosts"
2. About eternal hell...
To start with, your judgement of rehabilitation is very very very weak...
Now you must understand that "time" is meaningless before God. His realm and his reality (I don't mean heaven) do not depend on time. In the new age, "time" will be meaningless to us. The word "eternal" spurns from that fact that there wouldn't be anything like "the passage of time". The human world has official rooms (called cells and prisons) used to mete out judgement, isn't that so? That is exactly what " hell" is. So I ask you, what is it with your grudge with God for judging the usurper, the murderer, the liar, the accuser by throwing him into hell? Do you want him roaming around and wrecking havoc forever? Or do you want God to behave like a coward and give Satan a personal estate (universe) where he would be a God of his own? Now, that would be impossible! There is no other Most High except YWHH (and as I've pointed out, God cannot outstep his own nature)...
Over to humans being punished.... Let me tell you something that happened long, long ago before you were born.
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Before, everything was perfect and there only existed one Domain (The Domain of Life), and its source is GOd Himself. A bastard decided that he is qualified to be like the most High and in the process, he ended up creating another Domain (the domain of death) and made himself the source. (Many many many many deep deep deep things happened but let's skip that for now)..
Sin, Evil, wickedness, decay and death only exist in the domain of death. If you are in the domain of life, it is impossible for you to be wicked, evil, sin or even die.
Holiness, Righteousness, Perfection, Eternal life only exist in the domain of life. If you are in the domain of death, it is impossible for you to be holy, righteous, and perfect.
This is the blunt truth; God cannot stand it seeing this death domain coexisting with his own domain. Those wickedness, evil, hatred and the likes are things he cannot stand. Sadly, Satan is yet to be judged and his domain will continue to remain for the time being. In the new era (or say, new age or new dispensation), God wants two things (it's more than 2 actually)..
1. Only the domain of life to exist
2. Impossibility for anyone to ever recreate the domain of death..
You and I know for that to happen, everything in the domain of death must perish.. When one is to destroy a tree, he takes down not just the leaves, but also the trunk, stem, bark and the roots.
In a wide view, God is going to destroy everything in that domain (including the source of the domain and the products from the domain).. If you end up in hell, it's not because you did not forgive your wife, no! It's because you existed only in the death domain and you were not found in the domain of life.
PS: God's anger was not in the apple, no! It was the fact that man through Adam sold himself to the domain of the devil. In Genesis, God gave man the dominion of the whole earth, in Luke Satan told Jesus the earth belongs to him (since it did operate in his domain). This is what makes the evil you see around you possible.
(Everything I've said since the beginning of this discussion is scriptural. There is no verse that counters anything I've said, and there are many many verse that connotes the same thing I said.
But let me add something that cannot be found;
I once asked myself, Why should God ditch these guys in the prison (eternal hell)? Why not just kill them completely (make them cease to exist)?
But then I remembered, it is better to be sentenced to a life imprisonment than be put to death by hanging. When you are put to death, you are dead and that is the end. When you are spending your jail sentence, even if the hope is very slim, say about 0.00000000001%, there is a chance that you might as well be given a presidential pardon, and what seems lost might be recovered).
It's nice engaging you all the while... Was there any question you asked that I forgot to answer? If so, please mention.

etrange:
A new set. This one is actually vague and would lead to a lot of questions, I'm sorry. The distinction between "plan" and "want" in this particular context appears like an effort to push this supreme being as infallible against all odds cause I was meant to understand that whenever he wants something, he gets it. But then I'm sure I'm the one not getting it. So to clarify, are you saying that sometimes he wants some things but doesn't really plan for them and as a result, he doesn't get them (since only what he plans for is sure to happen)? If he really wants those things why doesn't he plan for them to happen? He just 'wants' some while he 'plans' for others. And which one is his "will", the plan or the want?

A new set? Hahahahahahaha, it's called digging deep.
What you've heard might always not be what it actually is. You have heard from many saying " God is omnipotent, God is omniscient, God is omnipresent " ... You see, while that is true in a sense, the context of those attributes need to be rechecked, lest we dabble into error. Despite all these infinity-like attributes, He (the supreme being) will never out step/exceed his nature. That is to say, he is limited, confined or put in check by his own nature.
Having this foreknowledge, we know of a truth
1. To lie, to fornicate, to be unfaithful, to commit adultery, to bear false witness are actions that man can commit but the supreme being cannot! (If it gives you joy, you can say he is limited)
2. His nature only deals with things that actually exist, and has no business with things that do not. Who can kill God, who can create another like him, who can be holier than him, the future, are all nonexistent! Therefore, this nonexistent info (or say, knowledge) is not captured by this omniscient being.
To understand my last message, let us
hear from the master himself...
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A king prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’
5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8 “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9 So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14 “For many are invited, but few have responded."
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Everything is actually about THE GRAND PLAN, it's all about THE WEDDING..
(Continuing from where we stopped above...)
3. The wedding will happen and nothing will stop it. However, He has restrained himself (if it makes you happy, you can say "limit himself" and allowed the " invited" to determine who will attend and who will not. This is what free will does - Allow the supreme being restrain himself, while giving the one with the free will the chance to make a choice (which the supreme being will definitely respect - hahahahahahaha, say A BLANK CHEQUE).
On a very very large scale, free will is more about man's unique ability to make a choice to either feature (or say, "key into) this grand plan or be totally out of the picture (which the supreme being will definitely respect)..
And God said - " CHOOSE!...."

etrange:
Thank you. I'll work with this.

You've given two cases in which things might not go as planned:

1) Senerio One is if I have no total control; as a man, I have no total control so things may not go as I have planned. That's clear. But a supernatural being, he's got total control so this case doesn't affect him.

2) Scenerio Two is if I allowed the thing I created to orchestrate; as a supreme being, he has total control but sadly, he's a victim of this case two (he permitted man to orchestrate things) and as a result, things may also not go as he planned (which was the case with Adam).

Notice that I only elaborated on the premise you built yourself. This is because whether it's case one or case two above does not really matter, what matters is that there's a case/scenario in which things might not go as he planned and you have succeeded in pointing out that case yourself. And that clearly answers my question. However, I'll be excited to see if there's another twist.

Meanwhile, using the analogy of a father allowing a kid to hurt a little in order to teach him a lesson to describe what happens between the supreme being and man is actually very reductive and makes a mockery of the 'reality' but it's fine.

Another twist? There was no twist in the first place.
Replace the word "planned" with the word "wanted".
See this...
1.I planned to take you on a date IF you come.
2.Suppose you came, we will go on a date
3.Suppose you didn't, we will not
4.My PLAN was the date
5.What I WANTED was for you to come
6. You may not give me what I want, but I will accomplish what I planned
There is a tangible truth behind that analogy, but it's not something you can grab for now.

Xmuslim:
Have read all your posts. I can't reply cos of time. By the way, you didn't answer some of my questions

Is eternal hell justified?

Is killing satan immediately the better option, or killing thousands of people in the Bible,or perhaps forgive satan and avoid all these issues of continuation of sin.

It's expected that you will defend your religion, but some things are just crystal clear and one can't defend them without going against logic or bring a notion of God's way of perceiving goodness is different from ours

Once again, is eternal hell something expected from a good God?

I did observe that after each session of answering your question, you kind of subconsciously try to remind yourself that you made the right choice leaving God (well, I meant Allah in this case) and he is still not who he says he is. Right now, I do wish our goal of discussion was to bring Christ to you, but then, it is well. You can dance around in the rain for now, when the time is right he will surely come for you.
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Your question
1. Is eternal hell something expected from a good God?
2.Is killing Satan immediately the better option, or killing thousands of people in the bible,or forgive Satan and avoid all these issues of continuation of sin.
My remark: Right from the beginning of this discussion, I did try to envisage what a perfect world will be like to you. Sadly, I realized that you were missing a key component - everyone is not the same! If you can have it your way, you want a world where everyone will live forever young. In that world, it will be cruel for anyone to be hanged or killed (just because he committed a crime). Also, no one should ever be sent to life imprisonment no matter what he has committed. The folks should be allowed to have sex even while unmarried, and everyone should just live life to the fullest. We(humans) should not eat any living thing, and do with non-living but yet, bodybuilding and nutritious food. No need for police, soldiers and military forces, as this people will only inflict pain on the people. We should eradicate court of law and every prisons, as what are done in them are inhuman. People like BokoHaram should be allowed to do what they like. Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other terrorist group should be left alone. An armed robber that burgles anyone's home, cart away valuables and even rapes an underage should be left alone, since whatever judgement we will mete out to him will be inhuman.
Is this the world you want? If no, then you are a very selfish hypocrite!
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Back to your question;
This day have I given you the sceptre of righteousness, and the seat which you sit is a sit of just judgement. Therefore sir, everyone awaits your judgement on this case.
What is the best thing to be done to an unrepentant usurper, liar, murderer, destroyer and a threat to the existence of others?
Shall we forgive him? Shall we kill him? Shall we sentence him to a life imprisonment? Or what shall we do?

etrange:
I actually knew you would say this and that is why I stated in my response that your analogy should assume no difference between the supreme being and man in that context. Otherwise, there was nothing practical about the question anymore because regardless of my response, you'd still use the infallibility of the supreme being as a soft landing.

But it's fine. I will work with that. I assume he created the earth with the will of having a happy environment (this equivalent to the plan of switching off the phone in your analogy) and like you said, he is very much in total control of his plans so how come man sinned (something happened to the phone) and the whole plan went downhill (the phone refused to go off)? Did he lose control at some point?

Please, I'm only respectfully picking on your knowledge so you don't have to come up with any convenient theory just to sell the supreme being, as understood by man, as all mighty. I know no one knows it all.

"I'm glad you pointed out the possibility that your phone button might suddenly misbehave. So, the phone wouldn't have switched off just as you planned.
A case like this will only happen if
1.You actually do not have TOTAL CONTROL over a thing or an event (as in the case of your phone, you never had the total control to make it power off)...
2. You permitted the thing to also orchestrate things (just like you), howbeit subtly - It's commonly called Free will

The supreme being Losing control? No! A little kid is sometimes allowed to touch the flames of a fire for once(the lesson therein is an unforgettable one),that's not the father being incapable or not in control of preventing the kid from getting hurt, is it?(Typical of case 2 as mentioned above)
Soft landing? Hahahahahahaha, I'm just using a language you understand (logical reasoning), I can as well convey it in many other ways.