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MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁷The LORD answered Moses, "I will do what you have asked, because I am pleased with you, and I know you by name."
¹⁸Then Moses said, "Please let me see your glory."
¹⁹The LORD said, "I will let all my goodness pass in front of you, and there I will call out my name 'the LORD.' I will be kind to anyone I want to. I will be merciful to anyone I want to.
²⁰But you can't see my face, because no one may see me and live."
²¹Then the LORD said, "Look, there's a place near me. Stand by this rocky cliff.
²²When my glory passes by, I will put you in a crevice in the cliff and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.
²³Then I will take my hand away, and you'll see my back, but my face must not be seen."
- Exodus 33:17-23

Two things, God never absolutely reveals to men on this short side of eternity, they namely are: His name and the future or metaphorically, future referred to as His Face or His Glory. As we can see from Exodus 33:17-23 above, how Moses tried to see the future, but was compensated with seeing the past and history. It was the same Moses and Jacob earlier who asked what God's name is but were denied with a question, asking why they wanted to know (i.e. Genesis 32:27 and Exodus 3:14)

Of course, God reveals the future, just as He told Abram/Abraham that through his seed, the whole wide world hood will be blessed, that his descendants will inherit the land of Canaan aka the Proimised land and that they will be as strangers be enslaved for 400 years et cetera

In the preceeding paragraph you said God will never show you the future. In the succeeding paragraph you said God told Abraham his future. Aren't you contradicting yourself?

MuttleyLaff:
Affirmative. Of course, God knows where you''ll be spending your eternity, but it does NOT stop any of the plan and work of God. Wherever you end up, it is a right you have that you should be allowed to exist, whether for a short while on earth or for a long time

Wow! Let me use myself as a case study;
If God knows I will end up in Hell , who predestined that I will end up in Hell?
Was it God or is it the innocent ME?

Maximus69:
That largely depends on what you choose to become now!

He has set before you his program, it's left for you to choose whether you will be part of the blessed or damned! Deuteronomy 30:19 compare to Zephaniah 2:2-3

According to Jesus, God will become your father if you choose to do his will (work your goals in line with his plans) and all the blessings he kept in stock for his blessed ones will be your lot in the future! Matthew 7:21

Sir, it's either He knows or He does not know, which one is it? If where I will end up largely depends on me, that technically implies that He does not know where I will end up.
What's your take?

DappaD:
You quite know my stand on those two subjects up there. Let me rephrase the question for you.

Blabbermouth : Does God know whether I will gain everlasting life or remain inexistent forever?

I presume this should be what you mean?

Yes, you are right.

Maximus69:
Of course nothing can stop his good plans so we can say he knows what he has in stock for obedient mankind {Jeremiah 29:11} that's the future!

So, I believe you are implying that God knows the future.
My eternal destination is something that is part of what we call "the future"... So, I should ask you;
Does God know if I will go to hell (in this case, I mean eternal death) or Spend my eternity in the new earth?

MuttleyLaff:
"Only I can tell you the future before it even happens.
(i.e. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come)
Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish.
(i.e. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please)"
- Isaiah 46:10

Omniscience is not beans. Isaiah 46:10 above is straight from the Horse mouth. Just knowing an iceberg tip of God, makes you want to think that, God is a God of dread

Wow! Nice scripture.
So, Does God know if I will end up in heaven or Hell?

DappaD:
1. Do you mean if He can foretell the future to give his servants a glimpse/hope of the future?

Yes, that's part of my question. Also...
2. Does God know where I will spend my eternity? Eternal life in earth/heaven or Eternal death.

DappaD:
Well, as Jehovah's Witnesses we see ourselves as the only worshipers of our God Jehovah.

That said...

Your question ‘Does God know the future?’ is very broad. It would be better if you could narrow it down a bit.

On the words you bolded yourself, let me get some things straight.

1. Do you mean if He can foretell the future to give his servants a glimpse/hope of the future?

OR

2. Do you mean if He uses foreordination/foreknowledge all the time? Even regards details of the birth and death of all intelligent creatures(humans) from Adam until now?

To be sincere, I mean everything that pertains to "What is yet to happen" , so that also includes 1 and 2.

ediama:
I dnt like it.

I'm very very sorry. I did edit my previous response to pan out that I didn't intend to make it sound like that.
You know, if the book of revelations indicated that God knows the future, whether we like it or not, it automatically means that God is not exactly who we say he is. If so, the foundation of our belief is destroyed already.
Look at this sir ediama;
2Peter 3:9 - "... But is (The Lord is) patient towards us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance
The scripture says God does not want anybody to perish. Now, how can a God that doesn't want anybody to perish still predestine Hell for some people?
Do you see the standpoint I'm coming from now?

DappaD:
Interesting question.

However, the determiner ‘your’ in your statement makes it sound like you've already made up your mind about what I'm about to tell you.

So I'd rather not answer your question seeing it might tow the path of ridicule.

Honestly, I never intended to ridicule, trust me. I used "your" because you guys sometimes prefer separating yourself from other Christians.
Alright, I will correct myself;
Does God know the future?
PS: By the way, I did enjoy the response of your brother Maximus69 but he hasn't given me his answer to the main question of the thread.

ediama:
Ask yourself why has many refuse to açcept even when they have heard or preached to?

According to you, it's because God already condemned them for hell fire.

ediama:
why has some refuse to acknowledge him as God's son?

According to you, it's because God has already written it in "the book of future" that those people will not acknowledge Christ as God's son, this will serve as a sweet reason to send them to hell.

ediama:
why have i had convinction in my spirit and immediately belief but others reject?

According to you, it's because you were Lucky that your name was among those that God wrote in the book of life. Unfortunately for the others, their name was not written, so even if they want to accept him, they will end up rejecting him. Do you know why? According to you, God already destined it that they will reject him.
PS: I'm not trying to put you in a dicey position or in any way ridicule what/who you believe in. I am a Christian and it is my most sincere desire that we know God more and come into oneness with the truth.

DappaD:
The man is not one of us

Alright. So Does your God know the future?

So far, the only proof that has been given is the book of revelations... Any body with more valid scriptures?

ediama:
Trust in God and love him.

Love what He loves and hate what He does.

God have mercy on us.

Sir, according to you, God already knows that I won't be able to trust him and love what he loves. Who knows, we might both be destined for hell/ eternal sleep (in any case you are a JW).
What say ye?

I love this.

ediama:
YES.

In Revelation, it is written; those whose names where not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world were cast into hell.

It means all about us set before our existence.

Thats what i understand.

If this is true, do you realize that it would also mean;
1. Religion is pointless
2. Christianity is pointless
3. Our life on earth is pointless
4. God is not who He says He is.
What do you think?

Maximus69:
Well God is never Omnipresent, Omnipotent or was he Omniscient!

1. Are you saying God cannot exceed his nature?
2. What's your answer to the principal question of the thread; Does God know the future?

thesicilian:
This will not end well

Hmmm... So, what's your answer?

ediama:
my dear, Revelation as a whole is the future. Just read the book.

That means he also knows where you will end up to spend your eternity. In other words, God knows if you will end up in hell or not, so all the Mumbo-Jumbo you are doing will end up in vain if he had predestined hell for you.
What do you think?

ediama:
YES.

Thanks for your input. Do give a specific bible verse please and explain how the verse/chapter/book proves that God knows the future.

Maximus69:
So am i also welcome in the thread?

I've invited you already.

Since time immemorial, man had always and will always continue to attribute what he cannot do and isn't capable of as part of God's sovereign ability.
Even if there are many many denominations in Christianity, I believe every of them agree that God is Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent. We don't have issues with the last 2 Omni - (for now) , so we will just concentrate on the first one. While this omniscient attribute is sweet to the ears, I want to know if God himself actually claimed/said that he "knows the future".
The floor is open, I don't want substance less opinions and replies invented from what you feel is true or right, instead;
GIVE YOUR ANSWER
DROP SCRIPTURES THAT SUPPORT YOUR ANSWER
EXPLAIN HOW THE SCRIPTURE PROVES THAT GOD KNOWS THE FUTURE.
Cc: Kobojunkie, Maximus69, Jesusjnr2020, MuttleyLaff, Shadeyinka, solite3, budaatum, sonmvayina, Hiswordxray

iLegendd:
I said there will be a vaccine in July and Russia had a working vaccine in July and they are using it now — even their president's daughter used it in August.

For all the other things in the list, they have happened and are still happening. The rich that are smart are richer now. Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. made 13 - 15 billion in a day last month.

What's actually happening behind the scenes?

I will rather watch the highlight of Barca's massacre. Mtcheeeeeeeew

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If it happens, I will deactivate my account.
We still have at least 7+ years before anything like rapture happens.

sonmvayina:
1.Prophesy ended on the death of malachi

2. The temple was built in jesusalem, the first was destroyed by the Babylonian the second by the Roman's... The third was supposed to be built by the Messiah so that the daily sacrifice to God can begin.. The ark of the convenant has been lost, but I heard from some notable sources that it is in Washington DC..

3. The temple was destroyed and the Roman's looted it.. There is an arc to commemorate it in the city of Rome.. That I have seen..

Ohh my my my ... This is sweet! Tell me something;
1. Prophets and prophecy plays a principal role in Israel and a vital key to the Jews. Tell me something, why did prophecy end with Malachi? This is a big occurrence and if what you are saying were to be true, tell me where it was foretold (in the Torah) that prophecy would stop with Malachi.
PS: I believe you do not know the role prophesy plays and the key role that a prophet play... Else, you would have known that Moses, Joshua, Isaiah and co. Kind of prophets will only stop under a single but significant condition.
2. Newsflash! That same Jesus you failed to believe existed prophesied that the temple will be destroyed..
Newsflash! The Order of worship in the Old testament style is not complete without the temple and the ark of covenant.
3. Don't you see already?! Those things (ark, veil, temple and co.) are nowhere to be found after the C.E... Why? When a better temple is built there is no need for an ineffective temple anymore. You won't see those things in Israel anymore because they have served their purpose and no longer significant.

Summary:
The C.E (real or imaginary) wroughted many notable occurrences that strongly indicated that someone called Jesus of Nazareth was real. Of these were...
1. Closing up of Prophethood after the order of Moses, Joshua, Elijah and the Likes.
2. A foreseeing that the temple will be destroyed completely... As it has been rendered practically useless.
3. Sacred items that are paramount in the Old testament worship are nowhere to be found.

Sir, Jesus did exist. Not only that, he was the messiah.

sonmvayina:
Which?..

All 3.

sonmvayina:
LOL.. I want to believe you are smart... How do they refer to Jesus or a demi God?.

Thou shalt not Deviate...
Hey, the prophethood of Moses gave your interpretation away. As explained, it refers to the Messiah (which Christians call Christ). Don't go in circles please, it's time to cover more grounds.

sonmvayina:
Number 2

Answer my questions...

sonmvayina:
I don't want your opinion give me old testament quotes to support your claim.. I know about Moses... What about other prophets?

Are you kidding? Those were from Deut 18:15-18... couple that with Jer 31:31-33. Hahahahahahaha, Now you see.

Are we clear? Let's move on.
Before I move on to more pressing points, let me digress and help you see something that has always been evident but wasn't seen...
You believe that Jesus was invented by Rome as from the books and articles you've read... I know (or say, believe) that the person of Jesus (on earth) was real and he is the Messiah. Sadly, you don't believe/subscribe to this same thing every Christian believe.. Would it interest you to know that certain things happened after C.E I.e. Christ's era (whether you believe him to be real or not) that strongly indicated that Jesus was real, and also was the chosen one.
Let me ask you (from a Jewish point of view);
1. After the C.E. (Real or invented) name Just one notable prophet with the reputation and the order of the likes of Isaiah, Moses, Elijah, Ezekiel and so on. Name just one prophet please!
2. Where is the temple that Solomon built? Where is the ark of covenant?
3. Where is the veil that covered the holies from the most holy place?

The answers to this will tilt the cursor to strongly point to one of these;
1. Jesus was real and He was the chosen one
2. The character of Jesus was invented by the romans..

sonmvayina:
LOL.. How funny.. Was that one supposed to be a demi God? Or a sacrifice for sin?

In the book of Exodus, the LORD God himself said to Moses "I have made thee a God to Pharaoh"... He also said " And Aaron will be your spokesman unto the people and he shall be in-stead of a mouth, and you shall be to him in-stead of God"...
That was an order of prophethood that no prophet, No! Not even Joshua operated or ministered as. Only Moses and the Messiah.

Not surprising but very essential, the First (I.e) Moses was the mediator for the first/old covenant. The second I.e. Christ will be/already was and is the mediator of the new covenant.
This is what was meant when he said "...Like unto me;..."
Do well to Unlearn and Relearn, the prophet being prophesied of was not Joshua but the Ha Maschiach.