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 Crime › Re: The Man Who Jumped Into Lagoon On Third Mainland Bridge Was Dumped By Girlfriend by blueAgent(m): 12:37pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Liposure:Lol... I concur. girls dey play home and away fixtures. |
| Crime › Re: The Man Who Jumped Into Lagoon On Third Mainland Bridge Was Dumped By Girlfriend by blueAgent(m): 12:22pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Enemyofpeace:Lol.....OK noted. |
| Crime › Re: The Man Who Jumped Into Lagoon On Third Mainland Bridge Was Dumped By Girlfriend by blueAgent(m): 12:17pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
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| Family › Re: I Don’t Enjoy Sex With My Wife - Man Cries Out by blueAgent(m): 11:30am On Feb 28, 2020 |
ekems2017:Lol.....babe calm down. |
| Family › Re: I Don’t Enjoy Sex With My Wife - Man Cries Out by blueAgent(m): 11:25am On Feb 28, 2020 |
cococandy:Lol...... I beg to disagree with you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 11:18am On Feb 28, 2020 |
sonmvayina:God is referring to his Holy spirit that is his presence that is different from the spirit or breathe that was given at birth or creation. Even the Holy spirit does not return to God and became one with God as you assume. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 11:14am On Feb 28, 2020 |
sonmvayina:You make me laugh, we are not gods. If we Are Adam and Eve would not had eaten the forbidden fruit. Man are mortals not gods. Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker? ◄ Psalm 8:4 What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? you care for him? 5 .You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [ 3 ] and crowned him with glory and honor. You are even lower than the angels. Psalm 144:4. Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 10:59am On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69:This is human interpretation not God. No where in the Bible are people given a second chance. The bible verse is clear all those who were not part of the1st ressuretion are going to face the second death. No were it is written that they would be tried and given a second chance. all this are theories formulated by your Church. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. The bible verse I gave you earlier demonstrates that all those who are resurrected have there name in the book of life. Anyone who does not take part in the first resurrection is not eligible for eternal life. When Christ comes the dead in Christ will be raised. If you were not dead in Christ you will not be raised it is as simply as that. There is no other probation available. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 10:49am On Feb 28, 2020 |
Maximus69:Do the maths, 25MILLION VS 8MILLION. than ask yourself who is more popular. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Of God And The Law Of Medes And Persians. by blueAgent(op): 9:23pm On Feb 27, 2020*. Modified: 7:51pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent:JMAN05 THE SABBATH FIRST QUESTION IS, WHEN WAS THE SABBATH INSTITUTED? THOSE who are in the habit of reading the Scriptures just as they find them, and of understanding them according to the established rules of interpretation, will never be at a loss to understand so plain a passage as the following: “And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” Genesis 2:3 Moses, when referring to it, says to the children of Israel, “This is that which the Lord hath said , to-morrow is the REST of the holy Sabbath unto the Lord.” Exodus 16:23 {SC1 3.1} Then we understand that God established the seventh day Sabbath in Paradise, on the very day when he rested from all his work, and not one week, nor one year, not two thousand five hundred and fourteen years afterwards, as some would have it. Is it not plain that the Sabbath was instituted to commemorate the stupendous work of creation, and designed by God to be celebrated by his worshipers as a weekly Sabbath, in the same manner as the Israelites were commanded to celebrate the Passover, from the very night of their deliverance till the resurrection of Jesus from the dead; or as we, as a nation, annually celebrate our national independence; or as type answers to antitype, so we believe this must run down, to the “keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God” in the immortal state. {SC1 3.2} It is argued by some, that because no mention is made of the Sabbath from its institution in Paradise till the falling of the manna in the wilderness, mentioned in Exodus 16:15 , that it was therefore here instituted for the Jews, but we think there is bible argument sufficient to sustain the reply of Jesus to the Pharisees, “that the Sabbath was made for MAN and not man for the Sabbath.” If it was made for any one exclusively it must have been for Adam, the father of us all, two thousand years before Abraham (who is claimed as the father of the Jews) was born. John says, the old commandment was from the beginning - 1 John 2:7 {SC1 3.3} There is pretty strong inference that the antediluvians measured time by weeks from the account given by Noah, when the waters of the deluge began to subside. He “sent out a dove which soon returned.” Genesis 8:8, 9 At the end of seven days he sent her out again; and at the end of seven days more, he sent her out a third time. Now why this preference for the number seven ? why not five or ten days, or any other number? Can it be supposed that his fixing on upon seven was accidental? How much more natural to conclude that it was in obedience to the authority of God, as expressed in the 2nd chap. of Gen. A similar division of time is incidentally mentioned in Genesis 29:27, 28 fulfill her week and we will give thee this also; and Jacob did so and fulfilled her week .” Now the word week is every where used in Scriptures as we use it; it never means more nor less than seven days (except as symbols of years) and one of them was in all other cases the Sabbath. But now suppose there had been an entire silence on the subject of the Sabbath for this twenty-five hundred years, would that be sufficient evidence that there was none. If so, we have the same evidence that there was no Sabbath from the reign of Joshua till the reign of David, four hundred and six years, as no mention is made of it in the history of that period. But who can be persuaded that Samuel and the pious Judges of Israel did not regard the Sabbath. What does God say of Abraham? that he “obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments , my statutes and my laws. (See what he calls them in Exodus 16:27, 30 ) This, of course, includes the whole. Then Abraham reverenced God’s Sabbath. Once more, there is no mention of the circumcision from the days of Joshua till the days of Jeremiah, a period of more than eight hundred years. Will it be believed that Samuel and David, and all those pious worthies with the whole Jewish nation, neglected that essential seal of the covenant for eight hundred years? It cannot be admitted for a moment. How then can any one suppose from the alleged silence of the sacred history that Adam, Enoch, Noah and Abraham, kept no Sabbath, because the fact was not stated? If we turn to Jeremiah 9:25, 26 , we find that they had not neglected this rite of circumcision, only they had not circumcised their hearts; so that the proof is clear, that silence respecting the keeping any positive command of God, is no evidence that it is not in full force. {SC1 4.1} Again, if the Sabbath was not instituted in Paradise, why did Moses mention it in connection with the creation of the world? Why not reserve this fact for two or three thousand years in his history, until the manna fell in the wilderness, (see Exodus 16:22, 23) and then state that the seventh day Sabbath commenced, as some will have it? I answer, for the very best of reasons, that it did not commence there. Let us examine the text. “And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread as on any preceding day, and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses . And he said unto them this is that which the Lord hath said, to-morrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath. bake that which ye will bake, etc.etc.” If this had been the establishing of the holy Sabbath and Moses had said to-morrow shall be the Sabbath, then would it have been clear; but no, he speaks as familiarly about it as we do when we say that to-morrow is the Sabbath, showing conclusively that it was known before, or how could the people have known that they must gather two day’s manna on Friday the sixth day, unless they had had some previous knowledge of the Sabbath? for Moses had already taught them not to “leave any of it until the morning” -v.19 The 20th verse shows that the Sabbath had not yet come since their receiving the manna, because it spoiled and “bred worms by the next morning;” whereas, on the Sabbath morning it was found sweet and edible -24th v. This was the thirtieth day after leaving Egypt (1st v.) and twenty days before it was given on Sinai. The weekly Sabbath then was appointed before this or before the days of Moses. Where was it then? Answer, in the second chapter of Genesis and no where else; and the same week on which the manna fell, the weekly Sabbath was revived among or with God’s chosen people. Grotius tells us “that the memory of the creation’s being performed in seven days, was preserved not only among the Greeks and Italians, but among the Celts and Indians.” Other writers say Assyrians, Egyptians, Arabians, Britons and Germans, all of whom divide their time into weeks. Philo says “the Sabbath is not peculiar to any one people or country, but is common to all the world.” Josephus states “that there is no city either of Greeks or barbarians or any other nation , where the religion of the Sabbath is not known.” But as they, like the great mass of God’s professed people in christendom, paid little or no heed to what God had said about the particular day, (except the Jews, and a few others) they (as we are informed in history) adopted peculiar days to suit themselves, viz: the christian nations chose to obey the Pope of Rome, who changed the seventh day Sabbath to the first day, and call it the holy Sabbath; the Persians selected Monday; the Grecians Tuesday; the Assyrians Wednesday; the Egyptians Thursday; the Turks Friday, and the Jews the seventh day, Saturday, as God had commanded. Three standing miracles a week, for about forty years annually, ought to perpetuate the Sabbath. 1st, double the quantity of manna on the sixth day; 2nd, none on the seventh; 3rd, did not spoil on the seventh day. If it does not matter which day you keep holy to the Lord, then all these nations are right. Now reflect one moment on this, and then open your bible and read the commandment of the God of all these nations! “REMEMBER! (what you have been taught before) the Sabbath day to keep it holy;” (which day is it Lord?) “ The SEVENTH is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou not thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man servant nor thy maid servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger, that is within thy gates.” Who is the stranger? (Gentiles.) Now the reason for it will carry us back again to Paradise. “ For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the SEVENTH; wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it .” “Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations for a perpetual covenant ; it is a SIGN between me and the children of Israel forever . (Why is it Lord?) “ For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the SEVENTH day he rested and was refreshed .” Exodus 20 and 21 Which day now will you choose? O, says the reader, the seventh if I knew which of the days it was. If you don’t know, why are you so sure that the first day is right? O, because the history of the world has settled that, and this is the most we can know. Very well then, does not the seventh come the day before the eighth? If we have not got the days of the week right now, it is not likely that we ever shall. God does not require of us any more than what we know; by that we shall be judged. Luke 23:55, 56 {SC1 5.1} Once more: think you that the spirit of God ever directed Moses when he was giving the history of the creation of the world, to write that he (God) “blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because that in it he had rested from all his work,” unless he meant it to be dated from that very day? Why, this is as clear to the unbiased mind as it is that God created man the sixth day. Would it not be the height of absurdity to attempt to prove that God only intended Adam should be created at some future period, or that the creation of the heavens and earth was not in the beginning, but some twenty-five hundred years afterward? All this would be as cogent reasoning as it would be to argue that God did not intend this day of rest should commence until about twenty-five hundred years afterwards. (The word Sabbath signifies rest.) {SC1 7.1} It follows then irresistibly, that the weekly Sabbath was not made for the Jews only, (but as Jesus says, for ‘man’) for the Jews had no existence until more than two thousand years after it was established. President Humphrey in his essays on the Sabbath says, “That he (God) instituted it when he rested from all his work, on the seventh day of the first week, and gave it primarily to our first parents, and through them to all their posterity; that the observance of it was enjoined upon the children of Israel soon after they left Egypt, not in the form of a new enactment, but as an ancient institution which was far from being forgotten, though it had doubtless been greatly neglected under the cruel domination of their heathen masters; that it was reenacted with great pomp and solemnity, and written in stone by the finger of God at Sinai; that the sacred institution then took the form of a statute, with explicit prohibitions and requirements, and has never been repealed or altered since; that it can never expire of itself, because it has no limitation.” {SC1 7.2} In Deuteronomy 7:6-8 , God gives his reasons for selecting the Jews to keep his covenant in preference to any other nation; only seventy at first Deuteronomy 10:22 . God calls it his “Sabbath,” and refers us right back to the creation for proof. “For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth and sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh,” etc. Here then we stand fixed by the immutable law of God, and the word of Jesus, that “the Sabbath was made for man!” Paul says, “there is no respect of persons with God.” Romans 2:11 . Isaiah shows us plainly that the Jew is not the only one to be blessed for keeping the Sabbath. He says “Blessed is the man (are not the Gentiles men) that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it.” “Also the sons of the stranger, (who are these if they are not Gentiles?) every one that keepeth the Sabbath from polluting it, (does he mean me? yes, every Gentile in the universe, or else he respects persons) even them will I bring to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer; for my house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.” Isaiah 56:2, 6, 7. If this promise is not to the Gentile as well as the Jew, then “ the house of prayer for all people.” is no promise to the Gentile. {SC1 7.3} Now we ask, if God has ever abrogated the law of the Sabbath? If he has it can easily be found. We undertake to say without fear of contradiction, he has not made any such record in the bible; but to the contrary, he calls it a perpetual covenant, a “sign between me and the children of Israel forever,” for the reason that he rested on the seventh day. Exodus 31:16, 17. Says one, has not the ceremonial law been annulled and nailed to the cross? Yes, but what of that? Why then the Sabbath must be abolished, for Paul to say that the seventh day Sabbath was made void or nailed to the cross at the crucifixion, when he never intended any such change; if he did, he certainly would have deceived the inhabitants of Jerusalem, in the promise which he made them about two thousand four hundred and forty-six years ago! Turn now to Jeremiah 17:25 , and tell me if he did not promise the inhabitants of Jerusalem that their city should remain forever if they would hallow the Sabbath day. Now suppose the inhabitants of Jerusalem had entered into this agreement, and entailed it upon their posterity (because you see it could not have been fulfilled unless it had continued from generation to generation,) to keep the Sabbath holy, would not God have been bound to let Jerusalem remain forever? You say yes. Well, then, I ask you to shew how he could have kept that promise inviolate if he intended in less than six hundred and fifty years to change this seventh day Sabbath, and call the first day of the week the Sabbath, or abolish it altogether? I say, therefore, if there has been any change one way or the other in the Sabbath, since that promise, it would be impossible to understand any other promise in the Bible; how much more reasonable to believe God than man. If men will allow themselves to believe the monstrous absurdity that FOREVER, as in this promise, ended at the resurrection, then they can easily believe that the Sabbath was changed from the seventh to the first day of the week. Or if they choose the other extreme, abolished until the people of God should awake to be clothed on with immortality. Hebrews 4:9 . {SC1 8.1} Now does it not appear plain that the Sabbath is from God, and that it is coeval and co-extensive (as is the institution of marriage) with the world. That it is without limitation; that there is not one thus saith the Lord that it ever was or ever will be abolished, in time or eternity. See Exodus 31:16, 17 ; and Isaiah 66:22, 24 ; Hebrews 4:4, 9. But let us return and look at the subject as we have commenced in the light of Paul’s argument to the Romans and Colossians, for here is where all writers on this subject, for the change or the overthrow of the seventh day Sabbath attempt to draw their strong arguments. The second question then, is this: {SC |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:20pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:You have learnt Too much pagan doctrine which is your problem. www.letusreason.org/Biblexp130.htm |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:19pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:So it was Jesus soul that appeared to his disciples? yet he asked them to touch him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:15pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:Why do you like to lie against God? 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Where is it written that it is the Soul that is changed from the above bible verse? Was it the soul or body that was buried in the grave? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:11pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:You amaze me. In one sentence you contradict yourself. You said the graves were opened and people came out and yet you are expecting me to believe that they were ghost? Do ghost need graves to be opened for them? Elijah and Moses that appeared to Jesus was never their ghost or spirits but their resurrected persons or body. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:07pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:Where is it written that their are 7 Heavens? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 9:06pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:It Was not Samuel that appeared. Like the witch woman said that she saw gods come out of the Earth. In accordance to God's word it is evident that a demon impersonated Samuel and spoke to Saul. Remember that the bible says that the Devil can transform himself to an Angel of light. The truth is that the dead no absolutely nothing thats why God forbids us from communicating with any form of this ghost because he knows they are not the real persons. Ones a person dies his body turns back to dust, the life or spirit goes back to God and the person ceases totally to exist nothing survives it. The Soul is the union of the body and the life from God. it ceases to exist ones the person dies. The soul is our totality it is who we are, its our thoughts,perception,faculty, mind, thinking, memories and all this can only take place in a body(dust) that has life(spirit or breathe) from God. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:59pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:God's is not interested in popularity. Remember that truth is not always popular compared to lies and false teachings. People are naturally willingly to accept lies because it suits their false and sin full life styles. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:57pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:Wow!!!! you just shot yourself on the foot. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. From that bible verse it becomes evident that their would be 2 resurrection. The first one occurs 1000yrs before the 2nd and John the writer of the book of revelation told us that those who are part of the 1st resurrection are blessed because they shall rule with Christ for 1000yrs and they shall not be hurt by the 2nd death. This implies that all those who are not part of the 1st resurrection are condemned to die the second death. look at verse 20:6. So where did you see people resurrecting to live on Earth and in Heaven? The first resurrection actually takes place at the 2nd coming of Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. This is not my word or idea but God's word. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:47pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:Even Christ taught his disciples to show and demonstrate love to the needy. The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations 31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [a ]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ 41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ 44 “Then they also will answer [b ]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 8:44pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:So you have forgotten that love is the greatest commandments? If you go and preach to a hungry man without giving him food you have just wasted your time. Same as sick or naked person. 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[ a ] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[ b ] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matthew 25:36-40English Standard Version Update 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, [ a ] you did it to me.’ Ours is not just preaching but also demonstrating the teachings and principles of Christ which is love. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 5:05pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:The Dead do not Know Anything The Bible is very plain. It says the dead do not know anything. Look at this text: 5. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten . 6. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun . 10. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave , whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10. Now for the first time we see death described. "The dead know not any thing!" Everything about them is gone, their memory, their love, their hatred, their envy, and they no longer act. They are asleep. They are nonexistent. 4. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:4. Again we see that when the breath of life goes back to God and the body returns to dust, that their thoughts perish. It should be clear that the dead cannot talk, or think or do anything. They essentially no longer exist as a living thinking person. This agrees with what we saw before. Adam became a living person. He became a living soul. So now, when we die, we cease from being a living person. We cease from being a living soul. We no longer exist because our thoughts perish. This also agrees with Jesus' description of death. He called it sleep as we saw earlier. There is more. 17. The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence . 18. But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD. Psalms 115:17-18. So a major difference is made. The dead cannot praise God at all but those who live can. 4. Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake. 5. For in death there is no remembrance of thee : in the grave who shall give thee thanks ? Psalms 6:4-5. 17. Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back. 18. For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth . 19. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth. Job 38:17-19. Apparently a few of the writers in Psalms and also Job, are pleading to be delivered by God. They are saying to God that they can praise Him if they are alive but if they die they can no longer give God thanks. 31. Who shall declare his way to his face? And who shall repay him what he hath done? 32. Yet shall he be brought to the grave , and shall remain in the tomb . Job 21:31-32. 9. As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. 10. He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more. 11. Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul. Job 7:9-11 Job sees that his only future is the grave and death. Job sees this fate of his as depressing to the point that he is anguishing in bitterness over his death and does not stop complaining to God. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 5:03pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:Death is referred to as a sleep 66 times in the Bible. I have listed them here. Thou (Moses) shall sleep with thy fathers. Deuteronomy 31:16 . Thou (David) shalt sleep with thy fathers. 2 Samuel 7:12 . The king (David) shall sleep with his fathers. 1 Kings 1:21 . So David slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 2:10 . David slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 11:21 . He (Jeroboam) slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 14:20 . Rehoboam slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 14:31 . Abijam slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 15:8 . Asa slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 15:24 . Baasha slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 16:6 . Omri slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 16:28 . Ahab slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 22:40 . Jehosaphat slept with his fathers. 1 Kings 22:50 . Joram slept with his fathers. 2 Kings 8:24 Jehu slept with his fathers. 2 Kings 10:35 . Jehoahaz slept with his fathers. 2 Kings 13:9 . I should have slept . Job 3:13 . Now shall I sleep . Job 7:21 . They have slept their sleep. Psalm 76:5 . And sleep a perpetual sleep . Jeremiah 51:39 . Them that sleep in the dust. Daniel 12:2 . Is not dead, but sleepeth. Matthew 9:24 . Lazarus sleepeth. John 11:11 . Some are fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:6 . Concerning them which are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:13 . Since the fathers fell asleep . 2 Peter 3:4 . "Sleep" is clearly the biblical term for death. Here are the rest of the texts which refer to death as "sleep." They are: 2 Kings 13:13; 14:16,22,29; 15:7,22,38; 16:20; 20:21; 21:18; 24:6; 2 Chronicles 9:31; 12:16; 14:1; 16:13; 21:1; 26:2,23; 27:9; 28:27 2 Chronicles 32:33; 33:20; Job 14:12; Psalm 13:3; 76:6; 90:5 Jeremiah 51:57; Matthew 27:52; Mark 5:39; Luke 8:52; Acts 7:60 Acts 13:36; 1 Corinthians 11:30; 15:18,20. Clearly, both in the Old and New Testaments, "sleep" is used to describe death. To them it was a sleep till Jesus or the Messiah comes! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 5:01pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead- www.creation-science-prophecy.com/dead.htm |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 4:57pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:What about The heavens? The bible says there are 3 Heavens. One which is the atmosphere were the birds are. 2nd is the Galaxy were Satan and demons are held but invisible to our eyes. The 3rd is the Heaven were God resides. The question is how does this relate to our argument? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 4:46pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:No wonder. You barely understand the Bible. All appearance of dead people are nothing but deception from the Devil. The bible says the dead know nothing. Psalms 76:6 At thy rebuke, O God of Jacob, both the chariot and horse are cast into a dead sleep. Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. Ecclesiastes 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Job 7:6 My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope. 7:7 O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good. 7:8 The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not. 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. 7:10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more. Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 4:36pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:You are really confused. Are you sure you read my original post? I mentioned it that the just will resurrect bodily but their body will be transformed, mortal body will be changed to immortal bodies. 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; The unjust will also be ressurected but will not experience any changes in their body or nature they will still be raised with the corruptible body which they had before they died they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire which the Bible calls the second death. I thought you said it was the Soul? now you admit that it is the body but not in this present form. If you had read my article you would have no need for your endless arguments. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:55pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:After Christ died on the cross the graves opened and just people who were in their graves rose and where seen in the town walking in bodily form. I have given you 2 verifiable points not those inconsistent things you are mentioning. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:52pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Kallmerb:You really need to pray for understanding. No where is it written that Saul saw Samuel he only perceived that it was Samuel that the woman saw.. The truth is that the woman saw gods not Samuel, this is evident in statement. 13]" And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth" Saul was deceived by the woman and the Devil. A demon impersonated Samuel and appeared and talked like Samuel but it was never Samuel. There is no where in that verse that says Samuel appeared in bodily form. Note only Jesus has power over death. only him can raise one from the grave. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:41pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:DIRECTORY ONLINE ARCHIVES RECORDS RESEARCH STATISTICS YEARBOOK QUICK STATISTICS ON THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH SDA BASICS QUICK STATISTICS ON THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH Summary of Statistics as of December 31, 2018 Churches, Companies, Membership Churches, December 31, 2018 88,718 Companies, December 31, 2018 72,843 Church Membership, December 31, 2018 21,414,779 Total Accessions, December 31, 2018 1,383,427 Baptisms 1,262,998 Former Members Baptized 58,841 Professions of Faith 44,863 Adjustments In 16,725 Summary of Statistics as of December 31, 2018 Denominational Employees Ordained Ministers, Active (Full time and Part time) 20,434 Total Active Employees (Full time, Part time, Casual) 321,410 Mission to the World Countries and Areas of the World as Recognized by the United Nations 235 Countries and Areas of the World in Which Seventh-day Adventist Work is Established 213 Languages Used in Seventh-day Adventist Publications and Oral Work 557 Divisions 13 Union Conferences 63 Union Missions 58 Union of Churches Conferences 11 Union of Churches Missions 5 Local Conferences 405 Local Missions 293 Educational Program Total Schools 8,807 Tertiary Institutions 118 Worker Training Institutions 34 Secondary Schools 2,549 Primary Schools 6,106 Total Enrollment 1,881,571 Tertiary Institutions 167,739 Worker Training Institutions 7,350 Secondary Schools 576,456 Primary Schools 1,130,026 Food Industries 22 Healthcare Ministry Hospitals and Sanitariums 211 Nursing Homes and Retirement Centers *Incomplete reporting *121 Clinics and Dispensaries 440 Orphanages and Children’s Homes *Incomplete reporting *11 Inpatient Visits Over 1 1/2 million Outpatient Visits Over 22 million Media Centers 16 Publishing Work Publishing Houses and Branches 60 Literature Evangelists, Full time, Interns, Part Time 21,591 Literature Evangelists, Credentialed and Licensed 4,890 Languages Used in Publications 368 Languages Heard in Broadcasts 327 Languages and Dialects Used in Oral Work 525 Adventist Development and Relief Agency International (ADRA) Countries and Areas of the World Where ADRA is Present over 118 Total Projects Funded 1,043 Beneficiaries of Projects 16,255,570 Prepared by the Office of Archives, Statistics, and Research General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Updated October 30, 2019 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:40pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:Do you thinking JW are making more impact than Adventist. You think making impact is by going house to house disturbing and teaching false doctrine to people? Let's see some evidence Adventist has over 25million members which is about 17million more than JW. Adventists has over 8500 schools and Hospitals providing education and free medical care. Over 100 homes for the elderly. Over 10000 projects and housing mission programmes in over 100 countries all over the World. The list is endless. https://www.adventistarchives.org/quick-statistics-on-the-seventh-day-adventist-church |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:32pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
sonmvayina:See analogy!!!! You are assuming that the spirit life force from God is the same as spirit of God. Thats a crude way of thinking. God is a spirit meaning he is supernatural, exists beyond our natural phase. The spirit God gives is a force or breathe that powers man and gives life, it is different from God's spirit or nature. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(op): 2:28pm On Feb 27, 2020 |
Maximus69:How is this relevant to our discussion? Show where it is written that their would be 2 resurrection for the just. |
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