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Maximus69:
How many times do i have to tell you that

I'M NOT GOING TO HEAVEN i have no business there!

Earth is my home all i'm awaiting is the coming kingdom of God that will uproot, remove, get rid of evildoers! Proverbs 2:20-22; Psalms 37:7-11

So while i'm waiting, the feeling is assured as Jehovah's Witnesses are gathering meek ones throughout the earth in preparation for God's coming kingdom and i'm seeing the fulfilment already with my eyes of FAITH! Hebrew 11:1

False teachings and doctrine would not take you into God's kingdom.

JMAN05:
I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Would God not be unjust since he knows that his Son has abolished the law and yet he will kill and destroy those who are not subjected to God's law?



1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and
sin is lawlessness.

If you are honest to yourself you should have seen that your narrative cannot hold water.

it is falling apart.

JMAN05:
I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Since the law was abolished as you claim, which law is been reffered to here?

please answer straight do not use another bible verse you don't understand to confuse your answer.
Just tell me which law is been referred to.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and
sin is lawlessness.

Matthew 13:41
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will
gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who
commit lawlessness,

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what
partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what
fellowship has light with darkness?

Matthew 24:12
"Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will
grow cold.

2 Peter 2:8
(for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living
among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day
by their lawless deeds),

Acts 2:22
"Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a
man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and
signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as
you yourselves know--
2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who
now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

Matthew 23:27-28
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are
like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all
uncleanness. "So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men,
but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

1 Timothy 1:9
realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person,
but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly
and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill
their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Romans 4:7
"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN
FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
Titus 2:14
Verse Concepts
who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless
deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own
possession, zealous for good deeds.
Hebrews 8:12
Verse Concepts
"FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL
REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."
Hebrews 10:17
Verse Concepts
"AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL
REMEMBER NO MORE."

[quote author=JMAN05 post=86654318]I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Romans 8:6-8
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually
minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


A carnal mind is not subjected to the law of God.

Which law is this?




Romans 8:6-7
For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the
Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is
hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of
God, for it is not even able to do so,

shadeyinka:
The scriptures are correct BUT with a clause: While the Earth Remains!

Unfortunately, this earth will NOT remain forever. And a key scripture is this

Rev 22:5:
"And there will be no night there. And they need no lamp, or light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light. And they will reign forever and ever."

This looks like perpetual day time to me and if there is no sun, the moon is useless. If God is the light, time which is measured relative to night and day becomes meaningless

You still don't get it.
This verse is not talking about literal Sun and moon.
Secondly this is Heaven been described in that verse and not Earth.

What do they need the Sun or moon for in Heaven?

Who said the Earth would not remain forever? the same Earth that the righteous would inherit.

shadeyinka:
The question that you should ask is ,What is Time?

It's just an interval between physical events. Life is bliss when you are enjoying yourself outside time because, you will never get bored.

How do you think it will feel to know that you've been singing non-stop for 100 hours or 90 days straight?

Thats what you think.

My opinion are not formed by my feelings or thoughts .

but by God's word. God said the moon would abide forever, that seasons would remain, that their would be one sabbath to another.

I might not understand what it all means but by faith I have accepted what God has written with regards to time.

Maximus69:
Come, humble yourselves and let's TEACH you what was written by our brothers (inspired Bible writers) for us to explain to you, we know you people want to know all these secrets but God have chosen those to whom he revealed the secret! Daniel 12:10

For your information, even fallen angels are everywhere today striving to know what you guys are trying to understand {1Peter 1:12} because God has kept them in darkness, meaning they're no more part of his organization so they don't know any of his plans! 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6

They're the ones agitating undercover when you hear religionists complaining that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't giving them the accurate date of their destruction, so we know it's not you people, otherwise you won't be needing the group you've labeled as CULT for any reason whatsoever, talkless thinking of their so called prophecies!

You'll continue to go astray each time you try to use your brains to discern this sacred secrets, your godly devotion will be worthless even to yourselves! 2Timothy 3:5-7

New Jerusalem simply means the 144,000 members of Christ's corulers, that's why God's word referred to them as VIRGINS {Revelations 14:4-5} means they served well as shepherds of God's people while they were on earth and they did not allow the kings of the earth (Politicians) to pollute (have SPIRITUAL sexual relations with) them. Unlike your own religious teachers who are dinning on two tables! Revelations 17:1-2

The figurative term "NEW JERUSALEM" is fitting since they will rule the earth just as orders and laws were issued out of the earthly Jerusalem during the reign of King David! Isaiah 2:3

They are the NEW HEAVENS that will continue to saturate the NEW EARTH (obedient humans), their constitution will be coined out of the thoughts, words and actions of Jesus Christ (the lamb). Revelations 21:23-24

Come and take life's water free before it's too late for you! Revelations 22:17

More false teachings.

JMAN05:
Sorry, it appears you didn't see my question.

I said: "God divided it into ceremonial, civil and moral. Can I see the reference?"

When you click that link you will see the reference.

If Jesus abolished the law, than define Sin for me?

JMAN05:
I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Even if we accept or assume that the law is a whole, you still don't have evidence that it has been abolished.

Because Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law.
◄ Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I
am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus would be a liar if fulfill means to abolish or destroy.

So who abolished the law one you claim?

JMAN05:
I don't think you read my comment well. Let me post it again.

I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together..

Let’s first take a look at the apostle Paul's words in Colossians
2:14–17 : “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements
that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has
taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let
no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or
a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to
come, but the substance is of Christ.”
When some read about the sabbath days that were shadows
and that passed away at the cross, they think that Paul was
referring to the weekly Sabbath, the fourth of the Ten
Commandments. Is this accurate? It’s important to get this
right, because our interpretation of the apostle’s actual
meaning can lead us into deeper truth or into deeper error.
Two Sabbaths
First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about
food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All
these were actually separate laws that God gave for the
physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people;
these were called ceremonial laws.
Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths,
which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly
Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in
the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and
a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment
does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of
something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to
keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and
the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the
seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and
hallowed it” ( Exodus 20:8 , 11 ).
Moreover, to show that he had something other than the
weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,”
plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word
“sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to
Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)
Festivals and Shadows
The King James uses the word “holyday,” and some will
contend that it refers to the weekly Sabbath, while the
expression “sabbath days” refers to yearly sabbaths. The
American Standard Version uses “feast day” instead of
“holyday,” and this likely a clearer translation. The word
translated “holyday” is from the Greek heorte, and in John 5:1 ,
this same word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals
of the Jews: “After this there was a feast [heorte] of the Jews;
and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.” This is one of the holy days
that Paul spoke of as having been nailed to the cross.
The “shadows” Paul mentions pointed to Jesus as a Savior
from sin and were observed with that in mind. But the weekly
Sabbath was made for man before sin entered into the world,
before man would need atonement. The shadows pointing
forward to His death as an atonement for sin certainly were
not instituted until after sin. Therefore, since the weekly
Sabbath was instituted before sin, just as was the marriage
institution, it was not a shadow of Christ’s death as a Savior
from sin; and His death did not end the Sabbath day any more
than it brought marriage to an end. Both the Sabbath and
marriage came to us in a perfect world.
Paul’s language shows he was referencing the shadowy
ceremonies that pointed forward to and ended at the cross.
Notice again, carefully, his words in Colossians 2:14 : “Having
wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us,
which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way,
having nailed it to the cross.” Paul mentions that these laws
were “against us” and “contrary” to us. Would it be contrary to
Christians to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain,
dishonoring parents, murder, theft, adultery, lying, and coveting
—the sins rebuked by the Ten Commandments? Thus, the
apostle must have been talking of another law—a law that
enjoined food offerings, drink offerings, the observance of
festivals, new moons, and yearly sabbaths.
Why Are These Laws Contrary to Us?
Why would the observance of these ceremonies after the
death of Christ be contrary to the Christian faith? The yearly
sabbath of the Passover involved killing a lamb that
represented Jesus, the Lamb of God. The apostle Paul taught
directly, “Indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us" ( 1
Corinthians 5:7 ). Thus, to keep offering a sacrificial lamb after
His death would be to imply that Jesus had not accomplished
atonement. Such an observance would be contrary to the
teachings of Christianity.
Many other shadowy requirements of the ceremonial law
pointed to the death of Jesus on the cross, as well. All these
festivals, food and drink offerings, and sabbaths that were
nailed to the cross, Paul declared to be “a shadow of things to
come.” Then he adds, "But the substance is of Christ." That is,
the substance that cast these shadows was Christ’s body on
the cross.
Think of it this way—late in the afternoon when a tall tree
casts its shadow eastward, one can begin at the farthest end
of the shadow and follow it until he or she gets to the tree that
casts the shadow, and there the shadow ceases to be.
Likewise, we can go back to the time when “through one man
[Adam] sin entered the world, and death through sin,” and
there a merciful God promised to send a Redeemer (Genesis
3:15 ), a Substitute, to die in man’s place. To keep man
continually reminded of this fact, and to supply him with a
means of expressing his faith in the coming sacrifice, God
instituted these ceremonies. All of these were included in the
law that was not written on tables of stone.
Follow these shadowy ceremonies all the way from Eden to
the time of Moses, and then through the wilderness journey
and on for hundreds of years after the settlement in Canaan,
and at last to Calvary—and there they cease. So it would be
"against us" and "contrary" to our faith to observe these
ceremonies after Jesus' death. Not so with the other law. It is
just as necessary to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in
vain, dishonoring the Sabbath, murder, adultery, and theft after
the cross as before. Indeed, it was the violation of these
principles that caused the death of Christ. Could they have
been set aside or changed to accommodate the carnal mind,
Jesus need not have died.
Now with these truths before us, let us again read Colossians
2:14–17 and see how plainly Paul revealed that he did not
mean that the weekly seventh-day Sabbath had been nailed to
the cross: "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements
that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has
taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let
no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or
a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to
come, but the substance is of Christ."
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JMAN05:
Ok, you are saying according to my understanding, that Gal 3:16,19 is setting out a reason for the law. And by the law, you understand it that Gal 3 is talking about ceremonial laws which specifically is the law of Moses.

You contrasted God's law with Moses law by quoting Dan 9:10,11.

Firstly, who gave Moses what he wrote as the ceremonial law? We know God did. So why the separation? If we create differences in the use of the "Law" in the Bible, we ll run into trouble.

You did say that the law of Moses comprises of the ceremonial laws, so it's temporary. But when you quoted Dan 9:10,11 it creates a contradiction. Why? Notice that Gal 3:10 says that curse is anyone that does not remain in all that is written in the book.

It says book/scroll, not tablet. So the curse follows any who does not follow the law. The ten words God gave was later written on a scroll. Do you think the first century Jews were reading from the stone tablet? They read the law, all of it, including the ten commandment from a scroll. It was the law Moses penned on scroll(which includes the ten commandments) that people used. The stone tablet was not used extensively. So, when the Bible calls law of Moses, it does not exclude the ten words. The ten commandments were among the commands penned by Moses in the Torah.

This division will land us into trouble. View the law as a whole. Moses worked under God's direction.

Dan 9:10,11 mentioned about curses in the law of Moses because of not obeying the voice of God. Can we create two commands here? Let's see where the curse is found and what led to the curses.

The curses are found in Deut 28:15 - . But what attracts these curses?

That could be found in Deut 27:15-26. Go thru it and you ll see that the errors that attract these curses are not restricted to the ten commandments. Then you ll see why I counsel against creating a discrepancy in the law.

So when Gal 3:10 spoke of curse for not observing all the law, something more than the ten commandments was involved. From the curses you find some of the ten words and some of words Moses gave. Why? Cos all of them are from God. No discrepancy. Daniel was not advocating any.




God has always told people of ancient times what he required of them. That became a law to which they will follow. Permit me to say this: that someone does not have a law, does not mean he never sins. That is not what Paul means. But law makes the person aware of his sinful nature. It confirms the prodding of the conscience.

Before Moses, the words God spoke to the people stands as law for them. These instructions does not necessarily consist of the ten commandments. God is righteous always. So he had always known what is morally upright. It is his nature. Whether He voices it through a command or not, He knows it even before creating humans. So, even before Moses, God knows what is right. At times he gives instructions that we later come to see as relating to the ten words. But he also does give other instructions that have nothing to do with the ten words. Even some commands that are ritualistic. This does not then mean that the ceremonial laws has been part of the command all along.

For example: Abel made a sacrificial smoke, Abraham did also, Noah did make one too. Even Job made sacrifices under God's direction. This could be found in Job 42:8. Was the "Mosaic law" added already by this time?

Also, God commanded Abraham to circumcise his family as a sign of covenant. Was Mosaic law already functional? No. Now, this law has nothing to do with the ten words. Now, since God was the one given this law, can we then say that since God did not write with his 'finger', it was not God command? What matters, is it not what God pronounced, not whether it was his finger?

Now, did God ever instruct Adam, Noah, Abel, Job, Jacob, Abraham etc to keep the Sabbath?




Let's check the royal law that I believe you agree is God's law.

Verse 8 quoted 'love of neighbor'. Checking a marginal reference will lead to Lev 19:18. Which law is that? Isn't that what you call Moses' law? That is not among the ten words.

Again we go to James 2:10. We see James alluded to Deut 27:26. Which is what you want us to call Moses' law. My dear, this discrepancy you want to create will land us in trouble. You ll see that in the curses listed in that Deut 27, you ll find the laws are intertwined. No discrepancy at all.






In as much as God pronounced the law Moses wrote down, it is perfect. Moses was not independent of God. There is a difference between making something perfect and the law being perfect. God gave it, so it's perfect. But the law made people aware of there sorry condition, making them to expect a relief - a Messiah.

How then did it make sin evident? Is it only thru the ceremonial sacrifices? The same Roms 7 you quoted, notice verse 7. Paul said he was aware of sin because of the law. Which law? He gave example. He quoted one of the ten words "you must not cover". The point? It was not only the sacrifices that made sin manifest, even the ten words and others made sin manifest. So if we say the ceremonial aspect goes away when Christ came, because it made sin manifest, then the ten words should follow it cos it also made sin manifest.


2. The law was later penned by Moses in a scroll. That scroll is the Torah. That Torah contained the ten words. When the law of Moses is mentioned, it includes all that was written in the Torah.

3. You quoted colosians to show that the ceremonial law was out of the way. But did you notice that verses 16 spoke against the observance of Sabbath? So whose law?

Stop confusing yourself Colossians is not referring to the weekly sabbath.

The problem is that you and all the pastors that preach that the law has been abolished just pick one verse and build your doctrine on it.

Maximus69:
The 9,000,000 faithful souls working zealously to

Change people's hearts from thinking about wars! Isaiah 2:2-4

Unite obedient and humble people from all over the earth as a global family! John 17:20-23

Teaching them biblical counsels that's making them loyal and faithful husbands and wives.

Peace loving citizens everywhere they are!

So that same God who said to Abraham "if i found TEN righteous persons in the whole of Sodom and Gomorrah, i will spare the cities" Genesis 18:32

This same God will destroy all the earth because of wicked people. When he could just send down the angel of death the same way he did to kill only the first born of the enemies of his people in Egypt! Proverbs 2:20-22

Why is it so difficult for you people to realize that God only wanted to destroy the ungodly men {2Peter 3:7} and not everything he made with his hands simply because of wicked people! Genesis 8:21-22

Walahi Talahi you people are real clowns when someone who have carefully studied the Bible is examining your thoughts!

Feeling will not take you to Heaven, only God's word can.

JMAN05:
Ok, you are saying according to my understanding, that Gal 3:16,19 is setting out a reason for the law. And by the law, you understand it that Gal 3 is talking about ceremonial laws which specifically is the law of Moses.

You contrasted God's law with Moses law by quoting Dan 9:10,11.

Firstly, who gave Moses what he wrote as the ceremonial law? We know God did. So why the separation? If we create differences in the use of the "Law" in the Bible, we ll run into trouble.

You did say that the law of Moses comprises of the ceremonial laws, so it's temporary. But when you quoted Dan 9:10,11 it creates a contradiction. Why? Notice that Gal 3:10 says that curse is anyone that does not remain in all that is written in the book.

It says book/scroll, not tablet. So the curse follows any who does not follow the law. The ten words God gave was later written on a scroll. Do you think the first century Jews were reading from the stone tablet? They read the law, all of it, including the ten commandment from a scroll. It was the law Moses penned on scroll(which includes the ten commandments) that people used. The stone tablet was not used extensively. So, when the Bible calls law of Moses, it does not exclude the ten words. The ten commandments were among the commands penned by Moses in the Torah.

This division will land us into trouble. View the law as a whole. Moses worked under God's direction.

Dan 9:10,11 mentioned about curses in the law of Moses because of not obeying the voice of God. Can we create two commands here? Let's see where the curse is found and what led to the curses.

The curses are found in Deut 28:15 - . But what attracts these curses?

That could be found in Deut 27:15-26. Go thru it and you ll see that the errors that attract these curses are not restricted to the ten commandments. Then you ll see why I counsel against creating a discrepancy in the law.

So when Gal 3:10 spoke of curse for not observing all the law, something more than the ten commandments was involved. From the curses you find some of the ten words and some of words Moses gave. Why? Cos all of them are from God. No discrepancy. Daniel was not advocating any.




God has always told people of ancient times what he required of them. That became a law to which they will follow. Permit me to say this: that someone does not have a law, does not mean he never sins. That is not what Paul means. But law makes the person aware of his sinful nature. It confirms the prodding of the conscience.

Before Moses, the words God spoke to the people stands as law for them. These instructions does not necessarily consist of the ten commandments. God is righteous always. So he had always known what is morally upright. It is his nature. Whether He voices it through a command or not, He knows it even before creating humans. So, even before Moses, God knows what is right. At times he gives instructions that we later come to see as relating to the ten words. But he also does give other instructions that have nothing to do with the ten words. Even some commands that are ritualistic. This does not then mean that the ceremonial laws has been part of the command all along.

For example: Abel made a sacrificial smoke, Abraham did also, Noah did make one too. Even Job made sacrifices under God's direction. This could be found in Job 42:8. Was the "Mosaic law" added already by this time?

Also, God commanded Abraham to circumcise his family as a sign of covenant. Was Mosaic law already functional? No. Now, this law has nothing to do with the ten words. Now, since God was the one given this law, can we then say that since God did not write with his 'finger', it was not God command? What matters, is it not what God pronounced, not whether it was his finger?

Now, did God ever instruct Adam, Noah, Abel, Job, Jacob, Abraham etc to keep the Sabbath?




Let's check the royal law that I believe you agree is God's law.

Verse 8 quoted 'love of neighbor'. Checking a marginal reference will lead to Lev 19:18. Which law is that? Isn't that what you call Moses' law? That is not among the ten words.

Again we go to James 2:10. We see James alluded to Deut 27:26. Which is what you want us to call Moses' law. My dear, this discrepancy you want to create will land us in trouble. You ll see that in the curses listed in that Deut 27, you ll find the laws are intertwined. No discrepancy at all.






In as much as God pronounced the law Moses wrote down, it is perfect. Moses was not independent of God. There is a difference between making something perfect and the law being perfect. God gave it, so it's perfect. But the law made people aware of there sorry condition, making them to expect a relief - a Messiah.

How then did it make sin evident? Is it only thru the ceremonial sacrifices? The same Roms 7 you quoted, notice verse 7. Paul said he was aware of sin because of the law. Which law? He gave example. He quoted one of the ten words "you must not cover". The point? It was not only the sacrifices that made sin manifest, even the ten words and others made sin manifest. So if we say the ceremonial aspect goes away when Christ came, because it made sin manifest, then the ten words should follow it cos it also made sin manifest.


2. The law was later penned by Moses in a scroll. That scroll is the Torah. That Torah contained the ten words. When the law of Moses is mentioned, it includes all that was written in the Torah.

3. You quoted colosians to show that the ceremonial law was out of the way. But did you notice that verses 16 spoke against the observance of Sabbath? So whose law?

You are so desperate to prove your false doctrine that you contradict and confuse yourself.

Moses was not the author of the ten commandments.

The book referred to is the book of Moses. It is so clear to anyone who is not biased.

We are told that the laws of Moses were added because of Sin.
They are shadow of things to come which is Christ.
After Christ died the law has served its purpose it is no longer needed.

But the ten commandments is forever needed because there is no time in eternity that God would allow his name to be used in vain, or allow us to bow to Idols.
Name one law in that 10commandments that is no longer valid?
But God has created,santicified and made the sabbath Holy before Abraham,Noah,Jacob or job ever existed.

All through the Bible it is only the sabbath God calls his Holy day.


Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

shadeyinka:
I agree with you here!


I agree with you. But Jesus also used the figurative expression of "outer darkness"

Mat 8:12:
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mat 25:30:
"And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Time is a physical event. Angels don't operate through times and seasons defined by the sun or moon.

And something interesting about the new Jerusalem I want you to see. It doesn't have a sun.

Rev 7:16:
"They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat."

Rev 21:23:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5:
"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

If the city has no sun for God is their light, would there ever be darkness?
If there is no night, does it not make sense that then people may not need to sleep : for they are never tired.

In other words even in the Physical realm, time seem not to be.


I think this scripture is speaking about the time of the millennial (1000years) reign of Christ on earth.
Or what do you think?

Time is not evil on its own or does it nullify the meaning of eternity.

More evidence that time will exist.

◄ Genesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold
and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not
cease.

Psalm 104:19 ESV
He made the moon to mark the seasons;
the sun knows its time for setting.

Psalm 136:7-9 ESV
to him who made the great lights,
for his steadfast love endures forever;
8 the sun to rule over the day,
for his steadfast love endures forever;
9 the moon and stars to rule over the night,
for his steadfast love endures


Jeremiah 31:35 ESV
Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by
night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:


Jeremiah 33:20 King James Version (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day,
and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be
day and night in their season.

Psalm 104:19
He made the moon for the seasons; The sun knows the place
of its setting.


Psalm 89:37 ESV
Like the moon it shall be established forever, a faithful witness
in the skies.” Selah

Isaiah 66:23 ESV
From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.

Deuteronomy 4:19 ESV / 24 helpful votes
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you
see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of
heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve
them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the
peoples under the whole

shadeyinka:
I agree with you here!


I agree with you. But Jesus also used the figurative expression of "outer darkness"

Mat 8:12:
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mat 25:30:
"And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Time is a physical event. Angels don't operate through times and seasons defined by the sun or moon.

And something interesting about the new Jerusalem I want you to see. It doesn't have a sun.

Rev 7:16:
"They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat."

Rev 21:23:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5:
"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

If the city has no sun for God is their light, would there ever be darkness?
If there is no night, does it not make sense that then people may not need to sleep : for they are never tired.

In other words even in the Physical realm, time seem not to be.


I think this scripture is speaking about the time of the millennial (1000years) reign of Christ on earth.
Or what do you think?

Not everything in this Bible verse should be taken literally..

God is a spirit and we all know it was God that instituted time.

The Righteous would inherit the Earth, its logical to believe that the renewed Earth will still have daytime and nightime , ruled by Sun and Moon.

That Bible verse you quoted about a city (Rev21:23) is referring to the New Jerusalem which descends from Heaven from God there there would be no need for the sun or moon in Heaven.

But shortly after that verse John talks about the new Heavens and Earth.

The Earth, daytime and night time aswell as the Sun and moon, were all created before the fall of Adam.

I don't think God would abolish them in the new Earth.


Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Maximus69:
That's what you supposed to ask at first before all these arguments!

New heavens and the new earth is NOT literal Sir!

To grasp this concept, you need to know what the old heaven and earth means first! Revelations 21:1

The heavens simply connotes the higher intelligence, setting standards for the lesser {Isaiah 55:9} in other words it refers to those ruling over others, they're the ones serving as the heavens, so it's what they dispense that moisturizes the earth (their subjects)! Isaiah 55:10

It's the standards your governments laid down that determines what happens in your society.

As Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) continue to circulate the earth with Jesus' teachings, God is forming (creating) a new set of rulers (New heavens) and a new set of subjects (New earth) and this setting will certainly yield positivity in all respect because it will all be established in righteousness. 2Peter 3:13

You may ask "HOW?"

Remember Jesus' teaching helps people to develop NEW PERSONALITY {Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10} that's why you're seeing people from all over the earth HUMBLY coming together to form a new set of people {Isaiah 2:3} they're obedient to their own leaders {Hebrew 13:7,17} so that LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns in their midst! Isaiah 2:4 compare to Jeremiah 31:33-34

Of course those ruling this people today will be taken to heaven finally as they've proved their worth here on earth {Luke 12:32} then their subjects will renovate the earth after God have REMOVED all disobedient humans from the earth! Proverbs 2:22

So the term "new heavens and new earth" is NOT what misinformed churchgoers are thinking Sir!

This is false teaching.

The Earth will be destroyed together with Sinners.
Isaiah prophesized about this.


Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.


Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

shadeyinka:
Don't mind maximus, anything he doesn't like in the scriptures is figurative.

2Pet 3:11-16:
"Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved , what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hastening to the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness. Why, beloved, seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that you may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the long-suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given to him has written to you; As also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction."

Rev 21:1:
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

Mat 24:35:
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

2Cor 4:18:
"While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."

All these scriptures and many more are mere figurative expressions. Like he admitted that he's a gentle wolf.

Perfect, this was the next bible verse I wanted to give him.

To add to this.
Paul also told us that the Earth and the Heavens are reserved for the destruction of the unjust or ungodly man.

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Maximus69:
NEVER TO STRIKE THE EARTH AGAIN! Genesis 8:22-23

How does this prove that the Earth would not be destroyed?

The new Heaven and Earth God would make were will the new Earth be placed if the old one does not pass away?

Maximus69:
God promised that he will NEVER strike the earth again the way he did during Noah's time, he adds "the earth will continue to exist for ever and ever" Genesis 8:21-22 Amen!

So we must understand any text that sounds contrary to that as an idiomatic expression!

No, God promised not to strike the Earth again with Water.


Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. 9:17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

Zooposki:
These white people want the disease so bad in Africa, to wipe out most of us. Most of their comments always about why Africa is not affected.

Obvious case of inferiority complex.

shadeyinka:
I like your twist in RED. It shows you are reasonable and honestly has considered it. The unfortunate thing ( to the wicked) is that God's reward is eternal. The smallest act of good deeds has an eternal reward just as the biggest acts done in love and sacrifice for Christ also has eternal reward.

It therefore looks like it is the intensity that may vary and not the duration. My personal opinion (not the scriptures) is that Hell cannot be a blanket judgement for sinners: there could be varying degrees of intensity where satan and the fallen angels will be in the hottest compartments and "nice sinners" are in less intense compartments . Even, if the punishment of hell is just eternal darkness, it's still a horrible place to be(but that's just my opinion and my opinions doesn't matter in this case). A thousand earth years is nothing to the spirit realm.

The second issue I'll like you to look at is the fact that time doesn't exist in eternity/heaven.

Yes.

The punishment is not only about the time spent in the fire, the bible says that the wicked will be tormented that means their will be varying degree of torment, temperatures and pain.

The punishment of Hell is literal fire and not just a place of darkness the bible gives clear evidence that the fire will be real and not just an imagination.

Yes God is the only one who exist outside time every other person or being has a beginning which means they exist within time.

It was God who instituted time, although he existed outside time God created time and gave it a beginning.
Scientist has proven that the Universe has a beginning, they have discovered that there was a time when the Universe has not been formed.

In Genesis God created time, God formed day and night, it was God who gave us our 7days a week calendar, as he himself worked for 6days and rested on the 7th.

In eternity time will still exist but it would not be used as we use it here on earth to measure years, age or length of sometime.


Remember God created time before Adam and Eve fell, and God has promised to restore things as it was in the garden of Eden before Man's fall.


Here is an example of time in Eternity.

Isaiah 66:23
23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to
another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,”
says the Lord.

JMAN05:
I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together.

Jesus death cannot nullify or abolish the law, just as a Man's will cannot be changed ones he is dead so also the law cannot be changed at the death of Jesus.

Any change to the law would have been done by Jesus while he was alive but he did not because he never intended to.

Hebrews 9:13-20 English Standard Version (ESV)
For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the
sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a
heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh,
how much more will the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without
blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead
works to serve the living God.
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so
that those who are called may receive the promised
eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that
redeems them from the transgressions committed
under the first covenant. For where a will is
involved, the death of the one who made it must be
established. For a will takes effect only at death,
since it is not in force as long as the one who made it
is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was
inaugurated without blood. For when every
commandment of the law had been declared by
Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves
and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop,
and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God
commanded for you.”

shadeyinka:
If the second death is annihilation and death is supposed to be a state of no consciousness, how then can God pay each one according to his "evil works".

Do you believe that Christians will be rewarded in paradise according to their works? If this is true, is the same expected for the unrighteous ones? Will the state of annihilation of Adolf Hitler be different from that of Gen Abacha? Will the state of annihilation of Satan differ from the state of a petty thief who died from an accident while fleeing capture?

Yes, everyman will be reward by God according to their works weather good or bad

Annihilation does not stop people from been rewarded according to their works.

There will be degree of punishment in the lake of fire, people who have committed more sin will spend more time in the fire before dieing than those who have committed less.
but at the end of it everyone of them will die and be turned to ashes.

Revelation 22:12
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward
is with Me, to give to every one according to his
work.

◄ Malachi 4:3 ►
And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall
be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day
that I shall do this , saith the LORD of hosts.

Isaiah 47:14
Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall
burn them; They shall not deliver themselves
From the power of the flame; It shall not be a coal
to be warmed by, Nor a fire to sit before!

JMAN05:
There is something am trying to understand from your response. Pls can I know: do you think that the ten commandments has been there before Moses brought it from the mountain?

Do you apply all mention of law to be the ten commandment?

Let me know.

No I do not apply all the mention of the law to mean the ten commandments but I look at the context in which the word law is applied than I can ascertain if it is the 10commandments or any other law that is been referred to.

TruthHurts100:
You're more wrong.

Let me explain the first and second death to you.

The death now is as a result of the sin we inherit from Adam and Eve.

Now, there are people who never heard about the gospel till they died, these ones are the unjust that will be resurrected with the just.

Do you remember that Satan will be imprisoned for a thousand years.... During these period, the just who are resurrected will teach the unjust the way of the lord.

I'm sure you know that at the end of the one thousand reign... Satan will be let loose to test people for the last time. Anyone, be it the just or the resurrected unjust who falls for Satan this time around will be destroyed forever... No more hope for any resurrection. This is the second death. Revelation likened it to something destroyed in the lake of fire.
Read Revelation 20:13&14

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
See, if this fire is a literal fire, can death and hell fire be thrown into the same hell?

It's clear the second death is likened to something burnt in fire.

You should also check the root meaning of hell. It means to hide or cover... Other translations calls it grave.

We are yet to know those who made hell (grave) a place of torment.

If we are to follow Revelation 20:14 literally then we will say hell was thrown into hell, it doesn't make sense. Does it?

What do you think?

The main people who sinned in Eden. Did God sent them to hell? How come humans that inherited the sin are to be sent to hell? Is that the kind of unjust God you are serving?

Let's even say we committed the original sin and we live for 70 or 80 years... Will God now punish us forever for a sin of 80years? God does not punish more than the sin committed. Death is the wages of sin. The same applied to Adam and Eve.

This is your personal opinion and not God's opinion.
So it does not count.

No where in the Bible is it written that the resurrected Just will teach the unjust the way of the Lord, this is just your human thinking.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The Says there are only 2 resurrection the first and the second.

And anyone who is not part of the first is automatically condemned to die after the second resurrection which is the resurrection of the wicked.

The Bible does not teach eternal Hell God would not punish people for eternity. those are pagan teachings.


The word Hell can be translated to mean the grave,place of burning, or a place of darkness and limitations.

In Rev20:14.

Hell and death are cast in the fire.
the word Hell here is the grave. since in God's kingdom there will be no more pain or death, so there will be no need for grave to bury anyone.

Rev20:14 is simply telling you that death and grave will be destroyed by fire.

JMAN05:
God divided it into ceremonial, civil and moral. Can I see the reference?

Click and read.
https://www.preparingforeternity.com/mosevs10.htm

JMAN05:
God divided it into ceremonial, civil and moral. Can I see the reference?

God's Ten Commandment Law
MANY people often confuse Moses Law with God's Ten Commandment
Law, but they are very different.
Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It
regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc.,
all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added "till the seed
should come," and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and
ceremony of Moses' law pointed forward to Christ's sacrifice. When He
died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God's law)
"stand fast for ever and ever." Psalm 111:7,8.
There are two laws that are made crystal clear in the following verses
below. Daniel 9:10 is talking about God's law and verse 11 is talking about
Moses' law:
"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his
laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they
might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the
oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we
have sinned against him." Daniel 9:10,11
Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the 10 Commandments
has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no
law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's Ten
Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law.
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the
transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4 Because of sin (or breaking God's
law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ
should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or 10
Commandments and Moses law.
Moses
Law
Ten
Commandments
Called "Law contained in
ordinances"
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in
his flesh the enmity, even the
law of commandments
contained in ordinances; for
to make in himself of twain one
new man, so making peace.
Called "the Royal law"
JAMES 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal
law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself, ye do well:
Written by Moses in a book
2 CHRON. 35:12 And they
removed the burnt offerings,
that they might give according
to the divisions of the families
of the people, to offer unto the
LORD, as it is written in the
book of Moses. And so did they
with the oxen.
Written by God on stone
EXO. 31:18 And he gave unto
Moses, when he had made an
end of communing with him
upon mount Sinai, two tables of
testimony, tables of stone,
written with the finger of
God.
EXO. 32:16 And the tables were
the work of God, and the
writing was the writing of
God, graven upon the tables .
Placed in the side of the ark
DEUT. 31:26 Take this book of
the law, and put it in the side
of the ark of the covenant of
the LORD your God, that it may
be there for a witness against
thee.
Placed inside the ark
EXO. 40:20 And he took and put
the testimony into the ark ,
and set the staves on the ark,
and put the mercy seat above
upon the ark:
Ended at the cross
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in
his flesh the enmity, even the
law of commandments
contained in ordinances; for
to make in himself of twain one
new man, so making peace.
Will stand forever
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for
heaven and earth to pass,
than one tittle of the law to
fail.
Added because of sin
GAL. 3:19 Wherefore then
serveth the law? It was added
because of transgressions , till
the seed should come to whom
the promise was made; and it
was ordained by angels in the
hand of a mediator.
Points out sin
ROM. 7:7 What shall we say
then? is the law sin? God
forbid. Nay, I had not known
sin, but by the law : for I had
not known lust, except the law
had said, Thou shalt not covet.
ROM. 3:20 Therefore by the
deeds of the law there shall no
flesh be justified in his sight:
for by the law is the
knowledge of sin.
Contrary to us, against us
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the
handwriting of ordinances
that was against us, which
was contrary to us, and took it
out of the way, nailing it to his
cross.
Not grievous
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love
of God, that we keep his
commandments: and his
commandments are not
grievous.
Judges no man
COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the
handwriting of ordinances that
was against us, which was
contrary to us, and took it out
of the way, nailing it to his
cross; And having spoiled
principalities and powers, he
made a shew of them openly,
triumphing over them in it. Let
no man therefore judge you
in meat, or in drink, or in
respect of an holyday, or of the
new moon, or of the sabbath
days:
Judges all men
JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever
shall keep the whole law, and
yet offend in one point, he is
guilty of all. For he that said, Do
not commit adultery, said also,
Do not kill. Now if thou commit
no adultery, yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor
of the law. So speak ye, and so
do, as they that shall be judged
by the law of liberty.
Carnal
HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not
after the law of a carnal
commandment, but after the
power of an endless life.
Spiritual
ROM. 7:14 For we know that
the law is spiritual : but I am
carnal, sold under sin.
Made nothing perfect
HEB. 7:19 For the law made
nothing perfect , but the
bringing in of a better hope did;
by the which we draw nigh
unto God.
Perfect
PSALMS 19:7 The law of the
LORD is perfect , converting
the soul: the testimony of the
LORD is sure, making wise the
simple.

JMAN05:
God divided it into ceremonial, civil and moral. Can I see the reference?

6 Differences between God
Laws and Mosaic Law
There are 6 differences between God laws and Mosaic
Law.
If a person fails to differentiate these laws, s/he gets
confused with which part of the law applies to him/her.
God laws are the Ten Commandments found in Exodus
20 while Mosaic Law are all other Old Testament laws
found in the Torah or Pentateuch books (first five books
of the bible ).

6 Differences between God laws
and Mosaic Law
The 6 differences are; –

1. God laws were audibly spoken by God at Mount Sinai
Ex 19:9, 20:1 And the LORD said to Moses, Lo, I
come to you in a thick cloud, that the people may
hear when I speak with you, and believe you for ever.
And God spoke all these words, saying… While Moses
laws were not given audibly but given to Moses
privately.

2. God laws were directly written by the figure of God on
table stones Ex 31:18: And he gave to Moses, when
he had made an end of communing with him upon
mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone,
written with the finger of God, while the Law of Moses
was not written by God but by Moses inspired by God
Deut 31:9 And Moses wrote this law.

3. It is God who commanded His laws in Mount. Sinai
Deut 4:13-14: And he declared unto you his covenant,
which he commanded you to perform, even ten
commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables
of stone. And the LORD commanded me at that time
to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might
do them in the land which you go over to possess
it. While Moses commanded his laws (the statutes
and judgments) to the children of Israel. Notice the
two different commanders of the two laws.

4. The law of God was preserved uniquely inside the ark
of covenant Ex 25:16: And you shall put into the ark
the testimony which I shall give you, while the Law of
Moses was place on the side of the ark Deut
31:24-26: And it came to pass, when Moses had
made an end of writing the words of this law in a
book, until they were finished, that Moses
commanded the Levites, which bear the ark of the
covenant of the LORD, saying, take this book of the
law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant
of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a
witness against you.

5. 2Ki 21:8: Neither will I make the feet of Israel move
any more out of the land which I gave their fathers;
only if they will observe to do according to all that I
have commanded them, and according to all the law
that my servant Moses commanded them . From this
verse we see also that there are two different laws.
God uses the words ‘ I have commanded them ’
meaning the Ten Commandments while ‘ The laws that
my servant Moses commanded them ’ meaning the
laws of Moses.

6. Daniel revealed this difference between these laws.
Dan 9:11: Yea, all Israel have transgressed your law,
even by departing, that they might not obey you voice;
therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath
that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God,
because we have sinned against him. ‘Your law’
referring to God laws; the Ten Commandments while
‘the law of Moses’ referring to the Mosaic Law.
A Christian has to differentiate these two laws because
God’s law (the Ten Commandments) applies to all people
at all times while the Law of Moses is specifically for the
Jewish people.

JMAN05:
There is something am trying to understand from your response. Pls can I know: do you think that the ten commandments has been there before Moses brought it from the mountain?

Do you apply all mention of law to be the ten commandment?

Let me know.

The New Covenant: Does It Abolish God's Law? /
Did the Ten Commandments Exist Before Moses?
Did the Ten Commandments
Exist Before Moses?

The Bible shows that the Ten Commandments did not
originate with Moses or in his time.
hey believe that the Sinai Covenant
and God’s commandments came into
existence together and went out of
existence together.
But is such reasoning biblical? The facts
show it is not. A close look at the Scriptures
reveals that breaking the Ten
Commandments was a sin before the
covenant at Mt. Sinai, so arguments that
they came into existence with that covenant
and were terminated with it cannot be true.
Let’s notice the scriptural proof.
God’s Word defines sin as “the
transgression of the law” ( 1 John 3:4 , KJV) or
“lawlessness” (New King James Version,
NIV). Therefore, “where there is no law
there is no transgression” ( Romans 4:15 ).
This is what the Bible clearly says! So do we
find transgressions of the Ten
Commandments described as sinful before
Mt. Sinai? Clearly we do.
For example, Genesis 13:13 tells us that “the
men of Sodom were exceedingly wicked and
sinful against the Lord.” Since sin is
violating God’s law, the people of Sodom
could not have been punished for being
wicked and sinful if no law condemned
what they were doing. We must conclude,
therefore, that God had already made
available the knowledge of what is sinful.
Here is a clear example. Genesis 20:3-9 and
Genesis 39:7-9 describe adultery as “a great
sin” and a “sin against God.” Adultery
breaks the Seventh Commandment .
In Genesis 3:6-17 , God punishes Adam and
Eve for their coveting and stealing—
breaking the Tenth and Eighth
Commandments . They also dishonored Him
as their parent, violating the Fifth
Commandment .
In Genesis 4:9-12 , God punishes Cain for
murder and lying—violations of the Sixth
and Ninth Commandments .
In Exodus 16:4 , several days to several
weeks before God established His covenant
with the Israelites at Mt. Sinai, we find God
giving them a test to see “whether they will
walk in My law or not.” His test involved
whether they would rest on the seventh-day
Sabbath as He commanded in the Fourth
Commandment of that law—with which
they were at least partly familiar. The
seventh day had been hallowed—set aside
as holy by God—from the time of Adam
and Eve ( Genesis 2:1-3 ).
God’s reaction to their disobedience is
revealing. He exclaims, “How long do you
refuse to keep My commandments and My
laws?” ( Exodus 16:28 ). God clearly speaks of
both His “commandments and … laws” as
already existing and in force well before He
listed the Ten Commandments verbally at
Mt. Sinai, as described four chapters later!
Therefore, the Ten Commandments were
only codified —written in stone as part of a
formal covenant—at Mt. Sinai. Scripture
clearly shows that they existed and were in
force well before then.
This is stated explicitly in Genesis 26:5 ,
where God tells Isaac that He blessed his
father Abraham “because Abraham obeyed
My voice and kept My charge, My
commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
This event took place centuries before the
covenant at Mt. Sinai, centuries before
Moses and two generations before Judah,
head of the tribe that much later would
become known as the Jews, was born! (Be
sure to read “Did Abraham Keep the Same
Commandments God Gave to Moses?” on
page 13).
In Leviticus 18:21-27 , God calls the
idolatrous practices of the people of the
land of Canaan “abominations”—actions so
filthy and degrading that God compared
their expulsion to being “vomited out” of
the land ( Leviticus 18:28 ). What was their
sin? Among other things, idolatry (the
worship of false gods) and human sacrifice,
which violated the First, Second and Sixth
Commandments .
The Bible shows that the Ten
Commandments did not originate with
Moses or in his time. Nor were they in any
way limited only to the Jews. They were in
effect and known long before Moses or a
people known as the Jews existed. They are
the foundation of God’s laws that show us
how to love God (defined by the first four
Commandments) and how to love our
fellow man (defined by the last six).
This is why, after Jesus Christ returns to
establish His glorious Kingdom on earth,
Isaiah 2:3 tells us that “many people shall
come and say, ‘Come, and let us go up to
the mountain of the Lord, to the house of
the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways,
and we shall walk in His paths.’ For out of
Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of
the Lord from Jerusalem.”
At that time, all of mankind will at last be
taught to live according to all of God’s laws
and commandments!



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Maximus69:
Think of a senatorial candidate discussing with his fellow senatorial candidate from another part of Nigeria about where they'll be staying after they've won the senatorial seat!

Of course one will be telling the other,

we will all be taken to Abuja to commence our duties as senators of the Federal Republic of Nigeria

But that's not where the remaining millions of Nigerians will stay!

So Paul was directing this statement to his spirit anointed brothers (Born Again Christmas) chosen by God to rule with Jesus in heaven. Revelations 14:1
But the place where people will enjoy all the benefits of that heavenly government is here on Earth! Revelations 14:6

More personal stories than bible facts.

I asked you were would the saved go to with Jesus during his second coming?

If they are to remain on Earth why are they lifted up?

Do you know that the coming of Jesus will lead to destruction of the Earth and its inhabitants?

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.


Jeremiah 25:31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. 25:32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. 25:33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

JMAN05:
What do u understand by God's finger?

See question?

Instead of you to give me a straight answer you are trying to divert the issue at hand.

JMAN05:
There is something am trying to understand from your response. Pls can I know: do you think that the ten commandments has been there before Moses brought it from the mountain?

Do you apply all mention of law to be the ten commandment?

Let me know.

100% Yes.

The bible says sin is not imputed were there is no law.

God would not have punished Sodom and Gomarrah and other nations and people he punished before the giving of the law if the law was not existing then.
Romans 5:13.
For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is
not imputed when there is no law.

Question you should ask yourself how did Joseph know that sleeping with his masters wife was sin against God?