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Kallmerb:
still dont see where the dead bodies will rise with the dead

When Jesus resurrected, was it his soul or body that was raised?

Kallmerb:
still dont see where the dead bodies will rise with the dead

So what is raised from the grave?

Kallmerb:
do your research about Enoch

What about Enoch?

Kallmerb:
am sorry that as a Christain u are resulting to insult but where is it written that the dead bodies??

No where in the Bible is resurrection of Soul ever written.
When Jesus raised Lazarus, was it Lazarus Soul that came forth?

Kallmerb:
am sorry that as a Christain u are resulting to insult but where is it written that the dead bodies??

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Maximus69:
Good question!

Can you point, direct, show, present a group of persons that's in AGREEMENT with this your theory?
Because majority of the people contradicting your write-up also claim to be Christians.

So with whom do you agree on this?

What is theory?
There are millions of people in different Churches that know that it is the resurrected just and unjust people that will be rewarded not some imaginary soul or spirit.
Adventist church, United baptist, e.t.c

Kallmerb:
am sorry that as a Christain u are resulting to insult but where is it written that the dead bodies??

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out
of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of
judgment to be punished:
Where are they reserved: answer is the grave.
Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of
destruction? they shall be brought forth(from the grave)to
the day of wrath.

sonmvayina:
Let me take it from the start,
Let us (God the Father + mother earth) make man in our own image after our likeness... God the Father provided the spirit and the earth provided the dust for the body.. This process takes place within the womb of the woman.. In the original story where it was adapted from it was Father Enki and mother Ninmah..(you can Google both, you won't die if you do) when the spirit (contained in the man's sperm) fertilizers the egg from the mother a human soul is formed.. The foetus grows and after 9 months it is expelled from the womb to start life on earth.. At death the spirit returns to God who gave it (it is pure, it does not need saving from anything.) and the body returns to dust from where it was taken... The spirit becomes one with God.. Some people believe the spirit can return in another body and the circle continues (reincarnation) I am still investigating it.. The human soul ceases to exist at death.. Till the spirit finds another body.. Still in the womb of another woman..

Read Genesis, 1-2," psalm 104 :29-31, Ecclessiatics 12 :7.. Job 1:21

Pure pagan crap.
Where is it written that the spirit becomes one with God?

The spirit is the breathe or life force that comes from God.
it does not have a unique identity for each person.

It returns to God, not that it becomes one with God.

Maximus69:
They're obstinate unbelievers brainwashed to continue carrying credulity in their heads!

The resurrection of faithful servants of God aren't just one but two different settings,
The born again followers of Christ,they will be resurrected in the spirit:- this group are limited, they must be transformed into spirits because they're going to RULE in heaven with Jesus and only spirit beings live in heaven! Revelations 20:5-6

The second resurrection is the one that has been prophesied from the beginning which is physical:- this resurrection will include all those who have died as faithful servants of God before Jesus, John the baptist is the last of this set including millions of those who embraced the peace that the born again followers of Jesus preached and taught. Ezekiel 37:1-6

I beg show me bible verses to prove your point so we can all learn.

Maximus69:
That man died that day!

He can't go to heaven because he is not BORN AGAIN like those having that hope so his own resurrection will take place here on earth.

By saying "I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise"
Jesus means this man will have the opportunity to learn all that he couldn't learn during his days as a contemporary of Jesus from earthly followers of Jesus who will teach resurrected billions what Jesus taught, and by that time there will be no sickness, suffering or death under Jesus' rule here on earth!

Another misconception that's causing the confusion amongst Bible students is the word "PARADISE". Most people had been taught that Paradise is heaven whereas Paradise simply means the condition Adam and Eve experienced in the garden of Eden!

Gosh!!! what a false teaching.

Were is this written in the Bible?

Maximus69:
Humility could be presented with words of tongue!
But real humility is observed WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO SUCCUMB TO RULES GUIDING SOME PEOPLE. That's when all observers will notice the humility in you!
If you can't point to any organization that you yourself is HUMBLY subjected to, then you only wish your neighbor to become your PERSONAL subject!

So does been humble mean that you should foolishly fellow any teaching that is contrary to God's word and teaching?

Maximus69:
I've done that already, that's why Kallmerb described my comment as "PERFECTLY EXPLAINED".

He is more confused than you.

I will expose your false doctrine later.

Kallmerb:
true.... I think he needs to pray fir deep understanding

You need it more.

Its amazes me how people claim something and yet cannot prove or refute their claim.

Maximus69:
Praying for deeper understanding will not work again when God has directed people who are teaching the deep things in the neighborhood. All we have to do is humbly watch out for them and ask any question that comes to mind. If they're truly from God, they should be able to provide satisfying answer to our questions! 2Timothy 3:17

I prayed NOT for deeper understanding but for God to direct his true servants to me!
WHY?
Because i found out in the book that Jesus has SENT OUT his followers to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:11-13

Jesus cannot send false teachers.

Image123:
Again, who cares? Are you saved or going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies and routes of soul and spirit? The thief on the Cross knew BARELY nothing about correctest theology compared to Demas or Ananias and Sapphira. People should dwell more on important issues like how to be with God now and eternally, than academic exercises on the itinerary of souls and spirits.

How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?

sonmvayina:
Just be humble....

Am always humble but never deceived. Stop lieing against God.

Maximus69:
I knew him for long!

He's always coming up with subjects that is controversial, and by the end no group of persons is there to point to as those who practicing his theory!

yes they are controversial and true facts.

God is not a God who deals with issues or people for their popularity or intelligence.

You can refute the OP and show else what is rewarded after death.

Kallmerb:
This is why they say bible study is important in every Church


Firstly... There are 3 aspect to every Man.. The Body(Flesh), Soul and Spirit.... Firstly you need to understand that when God breathe into man he deposited his spirit into man...Gen 2:7

The body houses the Soul and the Spirit... The difference between your soul and spirit is that the soul is where everything is deposited and keep your thought,Ability to decide both wrong and right, but the Soul also contains Mans Spirit...

Your spirit is what you use to communicate with God and connects with Him... That is why the bible said God is spirit and He who worships must also do it in spirit.. God has no interest in Mans Flesh


Now the tricky part is the soul of man can be influenced by Both the Body and the spirit.. Because A mans Soul can only understand the captain which directs it...


The Body(flesh) is a sinful existence of man because its has been cursed since lucifer was cast down..

If a man is not well grounded in the Holy spirit of God the flesh which is influenced by the Evil spirit on earth can easily corrupt ones soul...

The Soul itself can not sustain and survive on its own.. Its either its influenced by the corruptible Flesh or its Influenced by the Incorruptible Spirit of God... But the Soul can never ever be empty or alone... It must have a master... That is why theres always a constant battle of our conscience in making both right and wrong decisions


Genesis 6:12 KJV
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Now understand this... Due to the Sinful Nature of the Flesh it cannot transit into heaven because Habakkuk 1:13 said


Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity


That eyes of the lord is so pure that it cannot behold any form of iniquity... The Flesh being Sinful cannot enter heaven or stand before the throne of judgement


Kindly read about Enoch the Prophet and about his transition into Heaven..

Once a Man die the Soul exit mans Body and prepare for judgement while the Body returns to the dust, the Soul goes to a place reserved for them while some roam around the earth till judgement day

You claim it is the Soul that is judged. but the bible is clearly telling us that it is the resurrected dead persons that are judged and cast into Hell or Heaven.


2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Where are they reserved: answer is the grave.

Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of
destruction? they shall be brought forth(from the grave)to the
day of wrath.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Kallmerb:
am sure u dont believe in more than one Heaven also right

I pray God grant you deep knowledge and wisdom in his Words... Shalom

How does that prove your point?

sonmvayina:
Let me take it from the start,
Let us (God the Father + mother earth) make man in our own image after our likeness... God the Father provided the spirit and the earth provided the dust for the body.. This process takes place within the womb of the woman.. In the original story where it was adapted from it was Father Enki and mother Ninmah..(you can Google both, you won't die if you do) when the spirit (contained in the man's sperm) fertilizers the egg from the mother a human soul is formed.. The foetus grows and after 9 months it is expelled from the womb to start life on earth.. At death the spirit returns to God who gave it (it is pure, it does not need saving from anything.) and the body returns to dust from where it was taken... The spirit becomes one with God.. Some people believe the spirit can return in another body and the circle continues (reincarnation) I am still investigating it.. The human soul ceases to exist at death.. Till the spirit finds another body.. Still in the womb of another woman..

Read Genesis, 1-2," psalm 104 :29-31, Ecclessiatics 12 :7.. Job 1:21

No wonder you are confused, you are mixing up pagan folk tales with Bible.

Image123:
Many people have right understanding. They understand what goes to heaven and what doesn't go. That is of little or no value to them or anyone as HOW to go to Heaven or WHO goes to heaven. I'm sure Ananias and Demas had these explanations and better. The saved THIEF at the Cross barely knew nothing.

Thats not true, majority of people think that The soul is immortal and it is the soul that goes to Heaven or Hell,
Which is wrong.

Who told you the thief knew nothing?
If he knew nothing why did he now ask to be saved from what?

JMAN05:
I didn't say they were the same exact phrase and content. Am saying that you do not observe one part of the laws and go guiltless. You have to keep all. All the commands makes up one law. Did you understand my point?

Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.


Isaiah 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.

Isaiah is telling us that for you to be righteous you would have God's law in your heart.

The question is which Law?

I hope you can see it did not say principles of the law?

Kallmerb:
tell me where angel uriel or Raphael is in the bible but u believe they are real right?

Tell me where the 7 arch angels are mentioned, but you believe right?

Tell me where Virgin mary story or her mothers story is written in the bible but you believe right?

Tell me where cains wife is written about in the bible but you believe right?

I don't believe any of this.

Stop looking for excuse I showed Bible verses in my OP to back my claims.

Show us yours.

JMAN05:
I didn't say they were the same exact phrase and content. Am saying that you do not observe one part of the laws and go guiltless. You have to keep all. All the commands makes up one law. Did you understand my point?

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Says who.

You teaching your own false doctrine not God.

If that is the case why are you not offering goat and sheep for your sin yet to commit Adultery is a sin?

are you selecting the ones you keep and the ones you would not keep?

JMAN05:
I didn't say they were the same exact phrase and content. Am saying that you do not observe one part of the laws and go guiltless. You have to keep all. All the commands makes up one law. Did you understand my point?

You could not even attempt one question I asked you concerning the law and lawlessness..

JMAN05:
Hahaha this guy is funny. You don't get it. To God, you are sinning, but you don't know that you are, so he can easily forgive you or overlook it.

So, what am saying is that anything you do contrary to God's personality is a sin. It doesnt become sin when God brings it to your attention. We are born into sin whether we know it or not.

Now God made sin evident to humans through the law. If not, many of us, including Paul could not have known what sin is. Only God would know. That's the point.

If that law is abolished which means Sin should not exist again.

JMAN05:
I didn't say they were the same exact phrase and content. Am saying that you do not observe one part of the laws and go guiltless. You have to keep all. All the commands makes up one law. Did you understand my point?

Where is it written you have to keep all?


Are you saying that the Children of Judah also kept the law meant for the Levite's?

JMAN05:
A spiritual man goes beyond law, he sees the principles.

However, I didn't say true Christians have no law. The Greek scriptures are filled with what a Christian shouldn't do. I have given you example in the book of Gal 5:19-21. That was not a copy of the ten commandments. It's different. There are others.

On the other hand, if you want to observe the law of the Jews, you observe all of it. We have discussed that.

You are not serious.

You have failed.

You cannot not even refute and defend your own argument without contradicting yourself.

JMAN05:
So should I include that there is no division of the law into 3 sections in the Bible as you posit?

The law is intertwined. I have proved it with Jesus discussion on Matt 5, a chapter you yourself quoted. We have discussed this. Don't take me back. If you have more strong point, pls bring it. Scriptural point.

Its obvious you losing ground.Does intertwined means they are the same laws?

JMAN05:
I dont think you understand. Which one do I tell you the principle?

Any of them.

sonmvayina:
Divine consciousness ...

What is a soul and a spirit?

sonmvayina:
Divine consciousness ...

What is a soul or a spirit?