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JMAN05:
Check Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18. That's the command Jesus was quoting. That was a different command from the ten. In fact, the ten was drawn from them.


You quoted Matt 5:19. Can u read the whole chapter to see how many laws included in the "law" Jesus mentioned. Check and you will get the picture clear.

JMAN05:
Gal 6:2.

We live by principles, no longer under a written code. If you want to be under a written code, good. Observe all the law.

Maximus69:
You're the one who got me wrong, God's Kingdom is the same.

Subjects live forever on planet Earth as God planned it in the beginning, NO access to Heaven because Heaven is not for fleshy creatures. Psalms 37:9-11, 29 Proverbs 2:20-22, Isaiah 65:21-25

Rulers chosen from amongst Christians are transformed and taken live forever in Heaven as spirit beings with the King (Jesus) who has also return to his spirit form after his earthly mission. John 14:1-4

Maximus69:
You're the one who got me wrong, God's Kingdom is the same.

Subjects live forever on planet Earth as God planned it in the beginning, NO access to Heaven because Heaven is not for fleshy creatures. Psalms 37:9-11, 29 Proverbs 2:20-22, Isaiah 65:21-25

Rulers chosen from amongst Christians are transformed and taken live forever in Heaven as spirit beings with the King (Jesus) who has also return to his spirit form after his earthly mission. John 14:1-4

seunfape:
We did not blend with uniform during my time,anyway cultism is bad but it will give you experience about what is really happening in the cult world,though no one wish to graduate as Jew man but if you join and eventually graduate, just thank your Lord. The risks are more than the benefits. I always happy to share my past experience as a x cultist but now am a graduate am also living a cleansed life. Pick from my statements.

agarawu23:
Look at their cheap material cloth with poor drawing. Cultists wey no get 50k for account. I don't even know what they are archiving in cultism. You just cause trouble, fight over woman, kill yourself, do party and scatter it, snatch people's gf, threaten freshers and so on. No salary ooooo

Airforce1:
Will be going to my baby mama this friday for a time out and truth is, I feel so good to go and erm, do I look good ?

shadeyinka:
Depending on the context, hell could mean grave or abode(holding place/prison) of unholy souls after death.


Ps16:10
"For You will not leave My soul in hell; You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption."

Mat 18:9:
"And if your eye offends you, pluck it out and throw [it] from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the hell of fire."
Ps 9:17:
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, all the nations that forget God."


Lake of Fire is empty as of now for it will only be populated after the resurrection.
Rev 20:10:
"And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [were]. And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Rev 20:15:
"And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire."

In fact, Hell too will be cast into the lake of fire

Rev 20:13-14:
"And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death."

Maximus69:
Obviously you don't know the meaning of kingdom my friend.

It simply means GOVERNMENT, where the rulers have their governmental seat in the central or capital of the city/country, while other citizens living in harmony with the constitution of the government are in other places under the jurisdiction of the government.

So it's not two Kingdoms Sir, it's still the same kingdom having the governmental seat where the King lives!

shadeyinka:
Depending on the context, hell could mean grave or abode(holding place/prison) of unholy souls after death.


Ps16:10
"For You will not leave My soul in hell; You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption."

Mat 18:9:
"And if your eye offends you, pluck it out and throw [it] from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the hell of fire."
Ps 9:17:
"The wicked shall be turned into hell, all the nations that forget God."


Lake of Fire is empty as of now for it will only be populated after the resurrection.
Rev 20:10:
"And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [were]. And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Rev 20:15:
"And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire."

In fact, Hell too will be cast into the lake of fire

Rev 20:13-14:
"And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death."

TruthHurts100:
Hmmm poor understanding is harsh but let's see who has a very poor understanding here.

Explain this scripture Act 24:15

15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Who are the Just and who are the Unjust?
Why will the unjust be resurrected?

Or will those wicked ones now, who are hearing the word of God everyday will be resurrected?

Remember, the wages that sin pays Death. So after paying for one's sin with death... God will resurrect an already judged and convicted person back to life to kill him again? So, God is that unjust abi?

Pls go back to study what judgement really is in the Bible. You can know how to quote Genesis to Revelation but insight is more important.

JMAN05:
I don't see reasons to divide the law into three parts, thereby pointing out the one that is out of the way, the one that is followed by principle and the one that is fixed.

We have discussed that.

JMAN05:
So the point is?

JMAN05:
I didn't discuss priesthood and Hebrews on this post.

I see no reason to accept that you pick ten commandments and leave the other. You are already sinning against the law. Rom 7 helps us see that detaching the ten commandments from the rest is wrong. It is part of the law.

We have discussed this.

JMAN05:
That was an effort by you I must say. However, it will be a stretch to state that the ten commandments has been before the law came. The law came along thru covenant that God established with the Jews. Blood was involved in it. So, you can't compare that to what God said prior to the law's establishment.

So, there's a difference. The thing is, God has always had standards of right and wrong even before the law came on board.

JMAN05:
I did say to you that Jesus did observe the law. The law was out of the way after his death. Of course, he pointed out the principles in the law while alive cos this will replace the strict law observance.

Notice in that Matthew 5, that Jesus did not isolate the ten commandments as the commandments he mentioned in verse 19.

See verses 23,24 still encouraged animal sacrifice. Verses 33, 38 is also not among the ten. These are among the commandments Jesus mentioned in verse 19.

I have said before, if you take only the ten commandment, you are rejecting the most important commandments which are: love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and loving your neighbor as yourself. (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18) these are not part of the ten. So all the commands, including the ten commandments emanated from these two. Yet these two is not part of the ten.

I give advise: when considering the law, consider it as a whole. Do not detatch some from the rest. The law is a body of rules. They are together.

JMAN05:
Let's assume he is not allowed to commit that specific offence. The point is, he has now been adopted by another nation with a different law. The new nation's laws could have similarity with the old. But there will always be difference.

The law of Christ is not just against murder, but helps us never to hate our fellow even in our hearts. It does not condone the actions condemned by the law. But helps you be a man of principle cos conditions vary.

Notice what Paul counselled against in 1cor 6:9,10.

JMAN05:
It is out of the way because the law is out of the way, if not, you can't say you are a worshiper of God without being circumcised. Even Jesus himself, Paul and john underwent circumcision.

It was so important that you can be circumcised on a Sabbath day.

Paul said what he did because he knew the law was out of the way.

If you transgress one part of the law, you erred in all. Have that in mind.

Maximus69:
(1)By saying POOR IN SPIRIT Jesus was referring to his Jewish people of the first century who believed that they're poor spiritually speaking, all such ones came to learn from Jesus and because the promise of the kingdom of heaven originally belongs to the Jews (Abraham's descendants) all of them that remained in that group got the heavenly invitation @ Pentecost! Act 2:1-4

The MEEK means people from all the earth who realized that the one and only true God is that of Israel. All such people will humbly surrender their lives to live in harmony with the principles set by this God and so when this God comes to destroy all rebellious descendants of Adam, such people will be spared! Zephaniah 2:2-3

(2) Jerusalem is situated on a mountain and that's why it's called mount Zion, the significance of this mountain is that it's the place God promised that his Kingdom will be established on David's throne! Isaiah 9:7,16:5

But the Jews kept profaning this place until they finally rendered it not fitting for such a glorious site {Matthew 23:35-38} that's why Jesus after noticing how devastated his followers are as soon as they heard all the evil that's coming upon Jerusalem {Matthew 24:1} he made them know God's next plan for those who supposed to rule as Jesus' corulers in Jerusalem, he told them that another better arrangement has been put in place for them! John 14:1-4

That's how Zion (the seat of God's Kingdom) which supposed to be Jerusalem on planet Earth now taken to Heaven!

I don't know how old you are but there was a time when Lagos was the capital of Nigeria but it was later moved with all the governmental seat to Abuja, and there was a time when New York was the capital of USA but it was later moved to Washington DC!

Though humans have their reasons for moving the seat of their government from one place to another, but God's purpose is clear "he will not have his name and his kingdom in a place where the inhabitants detests holiness" Psalm 95:11, Hebrew 3:11,4:5

TruthHurts100:
I see, so they will be resurrected. They will then we judged. Then if guilty.... They will be killed again and if not guilty... They must die again before going to heaven.

Think before you reply me with that rapture crap... I set a trap for you.

Maximus69:
Go and first unite yourselves as Jesus prophesied about his own true followers before coming out to convince others to join you in worshipping your Jesus! John 17:20-23

shadeyinka:
Hell is different from lake of fire. Both are not pleasant places to be though.

Literal physical fire can burn biological beings but cannot burn satan and the fallen angels (except God deem it so). But one thing is sure, as physical fire is, whether spirits or not, it wouldn't matter as it is a place of judgement.

All spirits except Jehovah God who is the source of every spirit has a beginning and can only die the second death.

shadeyinka:
Annihilate is just one out of seven synonyms. It therefore cannot be the only definition for devour!

A human being is a body, a soul and a spirit.
If angels are spirit and soul yet conscious
What make you think that a human being devoid of only his body is unconscious?

Mat 22:32:
"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

What do you think Jesus was teaching with the scripture below?
Luk 16:23:
"And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

For it looks like Jesus believe in continuous existence after death.

If God is a God of justice, should he judge satan for rebelling against Him and sowing great evil in the universe?

Maximus69:
It's ok Sir, i was saying all that because the guy of course have nothing to say after knowing he has spewed rubbish about Adam and Eve having access to both Heaven and Earth!

Meanwhile you have your friends who are enjoying fruitless arguments regarding talks talks and talks, my teachers are the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, whether you agree or not know now that Jesus has appointed them to continue feeding his sheep in this last days, and if you're not learning from them there is no way you can have a spiritual family of peace loving brothers and sisters in the Lord like i do, you'll continue to argue and argue and argue everywhere you go with those you claim are your so called brethren!

Jesus said you people will be SCATTERED {Luke 11:23} and it's obvious that even when you guys are worshipping under the same roof, you people are not in agreement on so many issues unlike the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) who have humbled themselves under those APPOINTED by the Chief Connerstone himself! Matthew 24:45

TruthHurts100:
So, if one dies, and he either goes to heaven or hell as the lies go.... Then when is resurrection?

Maximus69:
The resurrection is God's plan to reward the loyal ones (righteous) and those who only lived by conscience without formal knowledge of the true God, these ones God referred to as unrighteous!

Both will be resurrected back to life on planet earth NOT heaven! Act 24:15

God's original purpose for mankind is to live FOREVER on this planet, that's why all those faithful servants of God always talked about their hope of living again ON EARTH! Psalms 37:9-11, 29, Proverbs 2:20-21, Isaiah 65:21-25

But why did the story changed after the coming of Jesus the one called (Messiah)?

God's plan is for a government to be led by a PERFECT incorruptible human who will lead all obedient humans back to God {Isaiah 9:6-7} there is none of Adam's descendants who qualifies for this {Psalms 49:7-9} so God has to transform one of his angelic sons into an embryo and put him in the womb of a Jewish virgin.

This perfect man will
©Teach humans what God had in mind for creating them.
©Assemble a governing body in Jerusalem (the city where God chose for the sit of his government)
©Lay down his perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice for the sin brought upon humans by Adam.
©Resurrected and go back to his own home in heaven where he came from.
©His government will see to it that the earth is filled with the accurate knowledge of God.
©Disobedient ones will be exterminated by the resurrected Christ who will lead the angels in heaven to come and destroy all the enemies of God.

But Jerusalem has been profaned with the blood of so many faithful servants of God, the Jews kept killing all those sent to help them return to God's favour of having this government on their soil. Matthew 23:37-38

So Jesus begged his father for him to secure a place in heaven for this governing body who will be selected amongst his loyalists. John 17:1-26

Even Jesus' followers were devastated when he pronounced woe on Jerusalem (the place where they expected to stay and rule with him) that's why he revealed them the new plan! John 14:1-4, 15:15

That's how the idea of going to heaven became part of the plan, God will select only amongst the Christians who have been taught by his only begotten son to rule in heaven with the Christ.

Jesus said "of all those born by women there has never risen a man greater than John the baptist but the least in the kingdom is greater than John"
Matthew 11:11

This is so because John the baptist was the last prophet who saw and baptized the promised Messiah, but since he was not oppotuned to live as one of his students he can't be part of those going to heaven, his reward will be that of all other faithful servants of God before him which is a resurrection on planet earth.

John will be the greatest for two main reason!

First he is the one and only prophet who saw God's anointed one (Messiah) face to face, secondly John will be the only person who will tell us how Jesus really look like, his behaviour, his mother, brothers and sisters and so many other things we might wish to know about the man Jesus, because all the first century Christians who walked with Jesus were BORN AGAIN, meaning they're all going to heaven.

And none of those who live with him yet failed to believe in him will be resurrected back to life, they have been judged already {John 3:18} except the THIEF with whom Jesus personally made a promised of living in Paradise!

Thanks!

shadeyinka:
The seemingly elementary questions poke huge holes in your doctrine.

If hell was a literal fire, how hot do you expect it to be. If you drop a person in the lake of fire, how long do you expect him to live? Would you say such will have time to gnash their teeth?

shadeyinka:
Because I made you see the absurdity of your position?

shadeyinka:
The seemingly elementary questions poke huge holes in your doctrine.

If hell was a literal fire, how hot do you expect it to be. If you drop a person in the lake of fire, how long do you expect him to live? Would you say such will have time to gnash their teeth?

Maximus69:
(1)
@ Matthew 5:3 Jesus said this set will inherit heaven!

@ Matthew 5:5 Jesus said this set will inherit the earth!

(2)
@ Revelations 14:1 said 144,000 will be on mount Zion!

@ Revelations 14:6 said great crowd that is uncountable will be on earth!


(3)
@ John 14:1-4 Jesus promised to carry this set to heaven!

@ John 10:16 Jesus said he had other sheep which are not of the same fold with the first little flock! Like 12:32

I understand that you people have been taught that all good and bad people will be taken to heaven and hell respectably but that doesn't mean everyone will close their ears to some other religious group saying it's not so!

Maximus69:
(1)
@ Matthew 5:3 Jesus said this set will inherit heaven!

@ Matthew 5:5 Jesus said this set will inherit the earth!

(2)
@ Revelations 14:1 said 144,000 will be on mount Zion!

@ Revelations 14:6 said great crowd that is uncountable will be on earth!


(3)
@ John 14:1-4 Jesus promised to carry this set to heaven!

@ John 10:16 Jesus said he had other sheep which are not of the same fold with the first little flock! Like 12:32

I understand that you people have been taught that all good and bad people will be taken to heaven and hell respectably but that doesn't mean everyone will close their ears to some other religious group saying it's not so!

Maximus69:
(1)
@ Matthew 5:3 Jesus said this set will inherit heaven!

@ Matthew 5:5 Jesus said this set will inherit the earth!

(2)
@ Revelations 14:1 said 144,000 will be on mount Zion!

@ Revelations 14:6 said great crowd that is uncountable will be on earth!


(3)
@ John 14:1-4 Jesus promised to carry this set to heaven!

@ John 10:16 Jesus said he had other sheep which are not of the same fold with the first little flock! Like 12:32

I understand that you people have been taught that all good and bad people will be taken to heaven and hell respectably but that doesn't mean everyone will close their ears to some other religious group saying it's not so!