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malvisguy212:
am listening. ..

You did not answer my question from the Bible evidence we can deduce that without God Jesus would not have existed

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Circuit3:
So what is your point? Every Prophet and Priest in the world is full of deceit right? You realize the Jeremiah you are quoting was a Prophet too so lets say Jeremiah was full of deceit.

Nonsense. It is annoying how people read the bible as though they are 10 year old kids.

The dude is confused.

Janosky:
Why you dey LIE and deceive yourself?
When Malvis says "God is my Father",does Marvin mean that he is "equal with God "?

John 14:28
"You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

John 14:28. 20:17. 10:34-36.
Jesus proved that the Jews were lying.
Marvis pharisee is dubiously passing off the falsehood of unbelieving Jews as truth.

Point of emphasis :
"I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God"
His God is our God, therefore those Jews were lying against Jesus in order to kill him. John 10:34-36.

I concur bro.

malvisguy212:
not at all my brother... does that make the son a less human ?

Simple that's all I want to hear.
Do you know that without God, Jesus cannot exist?

malvisguy212:
hey!!! the father and the Son are Two DISTINCT person, there Role is in the Godhead are different .
The Son is "the express image of His (God’s) person
" ( Heb 1:3), meaning He answers exactly to God’s substance. All that God is He is.

the Jews Jesus had this argument with understand Jesus more than the cult you are defending ( Jehovah witness ) when Jesus address God as his father, this is what they say:
John Chapter 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought the
more to kill him, because he not
only had broken the sabbath, but
said also that God was his Father,
making himself EQUAL WITH GOD.

the Jews understand this verse more than you , unless you want to give heed to seducing doctrines of the devil, which I believed you already do

First am not a Jehovah witness.
secondly
what does the word Godhead mean
and can it be used in place of the word
Trinity? The fact is there is no
relationship with the Trinity and the word
Godhead at all as you are about to find
out. Godhead refers to God the Father.
And making this issue a little more
confusing, Godhead is often a word used
by those with the non-Trinitarian truth
for lack of a better word to use in
opposition to the word Trinity.
More and more Trinitarians are using the
word Godhead in place of Trinity
thinking that changes what it is. But
calling the Trinity by another name will
never change what it is. You can call a
cat a dog but it will still be a cat. And
you can call the Trinity the Godhead but
it will still be the Trinity!
The word Godhead is found in 3 verses
in the King James Bible which are
translated from three different Greek
words that have slightly different
meanings but all basically mean the
same thing.
In Acts 17:29 the Greek word translated
Godhead is “theios” (G2304) and means
to be godlike and hence divine.
Acts 17:29 KJV “Forasmuch then as we
are the offspring of God, we ought not to
think that the Godhead is like unto gold,
or silver, or stone, graven by art and
man's device. ”
The same Greek word is used in the
verse below but has been translated to
the word “divine.”
2 Peter 1:3 KJV “According as his divine
power has given unto us all things that
pertain unto life and godliness, through
the knowledge of him that has called us
to glory and virtue: ”
In Romans 1:20 the Greek word
translated Godhead is
“theiotēs” (G2305) and refers to the
divine nature.
Romans 1:20 KJV “For the invisible
things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood
by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead ; so that they
are without excuse: ”
And in Colossians 2:9 the Greek word
translated Godhead is “theotēs” (G2320)
and means deity as in the state of being
God.
Colossians 2:9 KJV “For in him dwelleth
all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ”
So the word Godhead speaks of the
“Divine nature” of the Father which has
been given to the Son and hence is in
the Son as we find in Colossians 2:9
above. Thus Jesus being the firstborn
over all creation (Colossians 1:15 ), and
being brought forth from the Father, He
has the same “Divine nature” as His
Father.
Colossians 1:19 KJV “For it pleased the
Father that in him should all fulness
dwell;”
Spirit of Prophecy is also very clear
which says. “The Father is all the fullness
of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to
mortal sight. ” — (E.G. White, BTS, March
1, 1906)
And so Christ being the Son receives this
fullness, “He [Christ] was not the Father
but in him dwelt all the fullness of the
Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a,
July 7, 1890)
John 5:26 also tells us that the Father
gave life to His Son. “For as the Father
has life in himself; so has he given to the
Son to have life in himself. ” John 5:26 . If
Jesus had always existed alongside the
Father as the Trinity doctrine claims,
then God could not have given life to His
Son as He would have always had life.
But Scripture reveals this is impossible.
And so neither does the word Godhead
explain the non-Trinitarian position in
opposition to the word Trinity. It has
been the only real option in lack of a
better word to use for the non-Trinitarian
view.
The Trinity doctrine states that there are
three co-equal (equal in every respect),
co-eternal (the same age), omniscient
(all knowing), omnipotent (all powerful)
gods, who are not three gods, but one
god.
By the words of the Athanasian Creed it
is, “ the Father is God, the Son is God, and
the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are
not three gods but one God. ”
In other words. 1+1+1=1 !
So a 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 god which means
the Father cannot really be a Father and
the Son cannot really be a Son, which
denies the Father and Son which the
apostle John called antichrist. And
hence the Holy Spirit is supposedly a
third god that makes up the one god
rather than being the actual Spirit of the
Father and Son just as we have a spirit.
So the Divine nature of the Father
referring to the ONE true God does not
and cannot equal 3 gods yet alone a 3 in
1 god.
Thus Godhead does NOT equal Trinity in
any way whatsoever! Godhead refers to
God the Father and His Divine nature
which dwells in His Son because Christ
is His Son.
If you ever here any Pastor teaching that
Godhead literally means 3 beings, then
know they do not know Scripture or have
been indoctrinated with the Trinitarian
lie. In the following video we see one
such example with Pastor Doug
Batchelor.
Does

malvisguy212:
the son is not the father.

Ok, So are the father and son of the same age?

solite3:
that confusion is from your reasoning.

You think begotten son means created son.
I want to aamsk you your father that creator?

Using your so called Greek translations will still not solve your problem for example.

Even if we change the words of that Bible verse to
Unique or special Son as your monogenes definition claims.
it still does not make Jesus equal with God becos it only told us the kind of Son Jesus is , which is a unique or special son, but it did not change the fact that God called Jesus his Son.


Here is the definition.

Monogenes has two primary definitions, "pertaining to being
the only one of its kind within a specific relationship" and
"pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in
kind". [1] Thus monogenēs (μονογενής) may be used both as
an adjective monogenēs pais , meaning unique and special. [2]
Its Greek meaning is often applied to mean "one of a kind, one
and only". Monogenēs may be used as an adjective . For
example, monogenēs pais means only child, only legitimate
child or special child. Monogenēs may also be used on its
own as a noun. For example, o monogenēs means "the only
one", or "the only legitimate child". [3]
The word is used in Hebrews 11:17-19 to describe Isaac , the
son of Abraham. However, Isaac was not the only-begotten

solite3:
malachi3 :6 is about God character which is due to his nature not status.
He can be a servant but doesnt mean he stop being God.
Jesus didnt stop being Almighty God but he only added to him the form of a man.
As a man he was less than God but as God he was fully God.
Almighty God can limit himself on some certain things it doesnt mean he has stop been God.

He is a verse where God referred to himself as one who serves.
Does this not tell you that Almighty God can fufill the role of a servant although he is not?

Isaiah 43:24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to[/b] serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine sins.[b]

God calls himself "I Am that I Am " meaning he cannot change who he is in power and authority he cannot become servant or son.

malvisguy212:
Matthew. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

NAME, ( One God ) . with 3 personality ( The Godhead) . I could easily say 1×1×1=1 . but no, God is not bound on some mathematical law . but are you saying it is impossible for God to exist in more than 3 dimensional univers ? 3 in one entities cannot exist on earth, but in HEAVEN , it is very LOGICAL. we see the message in Genesis 1;26 Then God said, "Let US make mankind in OUR image, in our likeness...

One God created the univers, but are there not some kind of multiplicity in that vers ? don't be a reprobate mind. pick up the Bible and STUDY to show urself approved unto God..

This is laughable. for a bill to be signed into law it requires the accent of the president of Nigeria, the speaker of the House and the Senate president now using your logic does it mean they are equal?

solite3:
can God be created?

Answer my question.

malvisguy212:
you know the saddest thing about your question ? you ask questions as if English interpreted the Bible, no, Greek and Hebrew interprets scripture.

the Greek word for begotten is monogenes , it's explained the UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP of the father and son . take for example the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac. Consider when God asked Abraham to
sacrifice his son Isaac as an offering.

God says to Abraham, “Take your son,
your ONLY[monogenes] son Isaac,
whom you love, and go to the land of
Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt
offering on one of the mountains of
which I shall tell you” (Gen. 22:2)

Isaac was the second born of Abraham, but why did God address Isaac as the ,ONLY SON ? If you
understand monogenes as a literal begetting,then God clearly got His facts wrong. However, if you
understand monogenes as a unique, one-of-a-kind relationship, then God can accurately describe Isaac his "only” or “only begotten” son. Isaac was the only son of the covenant.

Stop lieing you can fool others with that Greek lie not me, I write articles and study Greek and Hebrew as well as Romans translations and I know the lazy writters you are quoting .

https://www.gotquestions.org/only-begotten-son.html

Typical case of the blind leading the blind.

solite3:
that confusion is from your reasoning.

You think begotten son means created son.
I want to aamsk you your father that creator?

So what does it mean?

solite3:
bring proverb 8 as usual.
According to proverb 8, the person been referred to is a woman.
Is Jesus a woman?

Gosh you are amazing. no wonder you cannot reason properly.

Is it a woman that was made or brought forth before the world was made?

You see when you don't rely on the Bible for answers you stumble over yourself as you just did.

Quietly read and comprehend.
Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

malvisguy212:
I ask you , what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was , and instead of answering , you are explaining the meaning of glory to me. here what the Bible say :
Isaiah 42:8
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not
give my glory to anyone else, nor share my
praise with carved idols.

YET concerning Jesus, the Bible say:

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began.

what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was?

And I ask you what is glory?

You just exposed yourself I thought Jesus and God are the same persons how come is Jesus asking the father to glorify him with the glory they shared, I thought it was only Jesus who was God and father at the same time,?

solite3:
malachi3 :6 is about God character which is due to his nature not status.
He can be a servant but doesnt mean he stop being God.
Jesus didnt stop being Almighty God but he only added to him the form of a man.
As a man he was less than God but as God he was fully God.
Almighty God can limit himself on some certain things it doesnt mean he has stop been God.

He is a verse where God referred to himself as one who serves.
Does this not tell you that Almighty God can fufill the role of a servant although he is not?

Isaiah 43:24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to[/b] serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine sins.[b]

Your Bible knowledge is impressive.
As a man he was less than God and as a God he was fully God.

So who beget God?

malvisguy212:
are you sure you went to Sunday school class? this is like the same question Nicodemus ask Jesus " how can a man be born again ? to enter his mother womb and be born the second time?"

you need to seat down and ask who is Jesus ? the fact that He was given birth to a human mean He is human , and the fact that His origin is unknown mean He is God. He has two NATURE.Fully God and fully human, each nature is distinct to each other, there are things the Godly nature knows but human nature don't know.

if a spirit possessed you, there are things you do that when you ceme back to your humanely nature, you will deny ever doing it. Christ is a man that was possessed by God the son.

Crap, it's obvious you cannot explain your trinity doctrine so you resort to "there are things you cannot explain or understand" which is falsehood becos God has explicitly told us who he is,who Jesus is and the relationship between both of them but you trinitarians would ingnore that inorder to promote your fraud doctrine.

mimilogistics:
Black race why always treating each other like animals why


Maybe Nigerian government through NCC need to order sponsors of BBNaija to stop airing the programme on all DSTV and GoTV channels and use local channels or face shutdown.

Nigerian government need to send a strong message to South Africans using all necessary means, this is a sad development, America would have done same if in Nigeria's situation in SA now

If it was Whites killing Africans now they will be shouting racism but now it is blacks killing themselves which they have been doing for ages .

Imagine the millions of blacks in Western countries who are relatively comfortable and safe compared to what they regularly face in South Africa and other African countries this shows that the greatest enemy of blacks are blacks themselves, they only are there own worst enemy.

solite3:
see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

Using your logic it means that God was begotten and brought forth.

Since the Bible say Jesus was begotten and brought forth than the father was also brought forth or begotten, the question now is by who?

malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness doctrines have block your thinking, I am using the statement said by God in that verse to analyze the nature of God.

This is what the bible teaches:
1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in
nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one
personality of the Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one
personality of the Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one
personality of the Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three
personalities in one nature.

The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malach 2:10),A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them.”

The Bible says Jesus was begotten or came forth from the father this is an established Bible fact.

If trinity is true as they claim then it means God also has a beginning and was also begotten.

Since God is equal and the same person as Jesus , can you see the danger of your trinity doctrine?

Maximus69:
TRINITY is their problem!

They've all protested against the Catholic Church, but they failed to realise that all of them aren't different from Catholics!

TRINITY
ETERNAL TORMENT
ALL RIGHTEOUS GOES TO HEAVEN
CHRISTMAS
EASTER
NEW YEAR
REPETITION DURING PRAYERS
RITUAL FASTING
RELIGIOUS TITLES
FORBIDDING alcoholic beverages, stylish dresses, sex, for religious title chiefs, and makeups, jewelries, hairdos, sex, stylish dresses for holy women.

Were all copied from the Catholics!

So if there's anything to say about Trinity, the only group that can show them what Trinity stands for is the Catholic Church {who fabricated it in the first place}!

True. The Catholic Church is responsible for this false teaching and doctrines.

malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness doctrines have block your thinking, I am using the statement said by God in that verse to analyze the nature of God.

This is what the bible teaches:
1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in
nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one
personality of the Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one
personality of the Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one
personality of the Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three
personalities in one nature.

The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malach 2:10),A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them.”

Really? all this your analogy would have made sense if you had a proof e. g a Bible verse but you cannot give one becos their is none to support your fairing tale.

You said one God created us according to malachi 2:10 and yet the are 3gods in 1 according to your trinity doctrine can't you see your confusion?.


Please show me were it is written that Jesus and the holyspirit are persons of the Godhead.

malvisguy212:
you are something els. it is either you are doing this deliberately or something is manipulating you.

Is that your response to my question?

[quote author=Maximus69 post=81794409]@bolded

In fact e no go better for the fabricators of TRINITY!

So to avoid boasting Jesus have to LIE about his personality as God's son instead of plainly telling those he called his friends that he is God! John 15:15



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But God cannot lie.

malvisguy212:
we are not talking about the NATURE of Isaiah, we are talking about the NATURE of God. who made this statement ?

"WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE
GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO
FOR US" (three personalities)"

who is talking hear ? Isaiah ? why did the speaker switch from singularity to plural ?

in fact the baptism of Jesus present God the father and the son and the Holy spirit. and the father called Jesus the son.

You twist Bible verses to suit your lies.

It was Isaiah that said SEND ME. and not Jesus as you claimed earlier.
And it was God that asked that question.

When did plurality equate to only 3?
plural
/ˈplʊər(ə)l/
adjective
1. (of a word or form) denoting more than ONE, or (in
languages with dual number) more than two.
2. containing several diverse elements.
noun a plural word or form.

Any thing more than one automatically becomes US it can mean 2,3,4,5,6, or a 1million. in this case God was referring to himself and his son.

malvisguy212:
what manner of man is Jesus that He share the Glory with God before the world BEGAN ?

God forgive you . thank you.

You are the one that needs God's help and forgiveness Satan has blinded you with the false trinity doctrine that you cannot even explain.

It is obvious you don't know what glory means.
[ U ] praise and thanks, especially as given to God:
Glory be to God!
He dedicated his poetry to the glory of God.

C1 [ U ] great admiration, honour, and praise that you earn
by doing something successfully:
He revelled in the glory of scoring three goals in the final eight
minutes.
This was her final professional match, and she wanted to end
her career in a blaze of glory.

[ C ] an important achievement that earns someone great
admiration, honour, and praise:
The reunion is an opportunity for the soldiers to remember
their past glories.
–More examples
He basked in his moment of glory, holding the trophy up to
the crowd.
He ascended into Heaven, where He reigns in everlasting
glory.
He knew that to win this battle would bring him true glory.
Despite their early promise, neither of these fine players
achieved true glory.
These athletes push their bodies to the limit for the ultimate
glory of breaking the world record.


Secondly if you read proverbs 8:22 you will understand what Jesus meant by glory he shared with his father before the world began.

solite3:
I didn't say the servant is greater than the master, You are arguing with yourself.
Jesus took upon himself the place of a servant so he can fulfill his mission

Really

But the word of God says God cannot change that's he cannot change his nature,status, character.
So tell me how God Almighty will now turn to Jesus the son a servant and still remain unchanged.

Malachi 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob
are not consumed.

solite3:
You are confusing youreelf, how can you compare God with man in time.
Jesus is the eternal Son of God that is, from all eternity of God's existence He had a Son while my father born in time so he also gives birth to a son in time but God is not so.
If you say the son has a beginning we can also inferred that the father has a beginning following your logic.

Of cos the son has a beginning not my word but God's word and Jesus's own word.

But you have no evidence of the fraud you are claiming.

You cannot run away from God's own words.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

solite3:
see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

Are you hearing yourself.

Is there any sense in what you said God will give BIRTH to UNCREATED God.
God is a God of order and not the author of confusion.
How can something be UNCREATED or has no beginning and yet it was given birth to? guy check yourself first before you respond, the trinity doctrine is having great toil on you.

solite3:
see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

I meant to say Jesus is not God the Father.

If Jesus is like the father who is uncreated why did the father say he beget Jesus?

ableguy:
He will come back to explain to you how the servant will also be the Oga at the same time, I weak for the reasoning of these people on this thread

Lol... true.

ableguy:
Waoo, never thought about it this way.
A God would only beget a God, this is interesting

You are assuming that the word God defines everything, for your information the word God is a generic name of any diety even Satan Is a god, it just like the word humans or cats which encompasses a lot of different kind of people or animals that have similarities.
So stop deluding yourself with that god fantasy.

malvisguy212:
Micah 5:2. say His origin is UNKNOWN , from TIME PAST , THE ANCIENT OF DAYS.

This does not mean that Jesus is God or has been existing all through eternity rather it shows that he was established to rule for eternity.
From this Bible verses we can see that Jesus has a beginning.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I begotten thee.