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budaatum:
Funny that you believe that 666, of which it is written "Here is Wisdom", and on which you claim the Trinity of "the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost" is based, is evil. Some think mathematics is evil too, yet everything that is created is created by it.

Please know that I do not subscribe to the legend of a petty God scattering Babel for fear that they would build steps to God! Nor do I subscribe to a God who would rather keep Adam and Eve ignorant, naked and enslaved in the Garden of Eden with the fear of death if they seek knowledge. For, if satan can meddle in the Garden of Eden, satan can have meddled with current understandings.

What are you insinuating, that the Bible is false?

ehirosplusbiz:
I don't believe in this story , 666 is just 666 no one can tell more about all na story

There is sufficient evidence to back it.

The number 666 is a number that is  well known and resented by many people, yet very few people know the truth about it's origin, the mystery surrounding it and what it stands for.
ORIGIN: It all began after the flood when the World was repopulated by the three sons of Noah, the World had one language and culture,  than came Nimrod the grandson of Ham he was a mighty man who made and fought wars he also instituted different religions and traditions that were not in accordance with God's will and one of such religion is the worship of the Sun genesis 10:9.
Throughout history, Man have fixated his attention and reverence for the Sun as the source of life and sustainer of the Universe.
Nimrod adopted this quest of man and formed it into a religion he married his own mother who became  his wife and with her they lead people in opposition to God. The religion grew and they practiced all form of wickedness
and deprivation such as sex orgies ,child abuse,human sacrifice including those of babies. When Nimrod died/murdered, his wife (mother)  Semiramis became pregnant she told their followers that she was carrying the son of Nimrod who is an incarnate of the father thus she claimed that  the son was the dead father who came back to Earth as the Son.

She also taught the followers that Nimrod was the Sun god and should be worshipped with the  Sun as its object of worship and  that she will become the moon after her death and her Son will become the stars.
Their followers were taught that this 3 celestial elements were three but 1god.
When the people  led by Nimrod sort to build the tower of Babel God scattered them and cofounded  their language the  people left and were dispersed to different parts of the World with the perception and knowledge that the god's were 3 in 1, this gods were known by different names by the different people,  in Babylon where this religion started they were known as Nimrod,his wife  as Semiramis  and their son as Tammuz, in Egypt they were called Osiris,Horus & Isis,  in Greece as Zeus,Apollo and Athena, as Brahma,Vishnu,Shiva  in India.
The  Romans called  them Jupiter,Mars and Venus.
The worship of this three god's in Egyptian religion was symbolized by the 3 stages of the Sun which are the rising of the Sun called Horus,it's setting and full grown Sun called the Ra or Re and dying  Sun known as Osiris.
When the Israelites settled in the land of Canaan they adopted  most of the pagan religions and customs including the  scarifice of Children and other rituals from the pagan nations around them and God was displeased with the Children of Israel  for this reason God destoryed and scattered them and left there land desolate. Jeremiah 7:17-20,8:2,10:2, Ezekiel 8:14-16. (2 Kings 21:2)
King manasseh made graven images, worshipped and served the sun, moon, and stars, erecting altars to them in the temple of God; he made his son to pass through the fires of Moloch; observed times, used enchantments, dealt with familiar spirits and wizards.(2 Kings 21:9)

The Babylonians were the first to use triangles to represent their gods, since this gods where 3equal but 1 god then a logical representation of this gods was a triangle with 3 equal parts  and sides.
Remember mathametically the sum of the angles in a triangle must equal 180°, for 3 equal but 1 god means 180/3=60°
Since A=B=C then 60°=60°=60°
Thus you have your 666.
The Babylonians also used the Sexagesimal (base 60) number system from which comes there 60mins in an hour & sum of angles in a circle as 360° this is becos the Babylonians believed and worshipped 36 gods with Nimrod seen as the Father of the gods this concept is also used in the Babylonians Solar amulet which have numbers from 1to 36 and the number 666 written under it,  the numbers are arranged in such a way that each row and column as well as the 2 diagonals add up to 111.
This is the truth of the origin and mystery of the number 666 which was revealed to John by God in the book of revelation the Bible calls it  the mystery of Babylon.
As we have seen and proven the number 666 is central to Satan's identity and government it defines how he wants to be seen and known, it is the seal of Satan and the Bible teaches that this number  will be enforced and given to people as a mark of alliganance, without it no one would be able to buy or sell.
Revelation  13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
Revelation  13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Unfortunately this pagan teaching and doctrine have found it's way into Christaintity through the pagans.
What they pagans did was to substitute the names of their 3 in 1 gods with the name of  God,Jesus and the holyspirit.
Nimrod is seen as God, the wife ISIS or Semiramis is celeberated and worshipped as Mary, while Tammuz there son is seen as Jesus. They believe that the son  Tammuz is the same  person as Nimrod the father who re-incarnated or was  born into the world as the son.
Thus the mother ISIS is claimed to be mother of god since  she gave birth to Tammuz who is a god.
this same teaching can be found in the Catholic Church and in  Christaintity under the disguise of trinity doctrine. Satan has cleverly hidden his plans and deception and have lead billions astray.
The number 666 can be seen everywhere although not in it's recognizable form of a number but in different subtle ways, in music,movies,games,governments,companies,arts and even in the Church(the cap of the Pope of the Catholic Church) the number 666 and it's  symbology is craftly displayed. The Trinity doctrine has as its foundation the number 666 and is on this foundation that other occult false teachings are based. E.g  veneration of Mary, re-incarnation, Immaculate conception of Mary,
Find attached some images of the number 666 and it's symbology.

Conclusion.
I believe we now understand the origin and mystery of the number 666 which represents Satan's government and rebellion against his maker  and how this number have been craftly  brought into Christaintity.
Like the Bible instructs us, those who have wisdom and understanding will be able to escape these deceits.
Revelation  13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six(666).

Thank you.

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solite3:
I dont know why you are still writing long epistle.
Jesus and God has same nature that makes him truly God.

Jesus is God by inheritance.
Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
So you can see that his own godship or nature was inherited from his father, he can not be Co-equal with his father.

Why Jesus is called God.
IS JESUS GOD? – PART 2 Why Did the Father Call His Son God? In Hebrews 1:1-9 we note that the speaker is God the Father and that He is addressing His Son and calling Him “God.” Verse 2 says that Christ was “appointed heir” of all things. An “HEIR” of course is someone who receives an “inheritance” from someone. In this case Christ the Son received an “INHERITANCE” from His Father. But what did He receive? His “NAME,” His authority and His power! In other words, Jesus being the one and only begotten Son of the living God received by virtue of His birth all of the attributes that His Father possessed. Verse 4 says, “Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by “INHERITANCE” obtained a more excellent “NAME” than they. ” Verse 8 says that this more excellent “ NAME” is the name “God,” which was given by the Father to His Son. “Unto the Son He [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever. ” And so this name “He has by “INHERITANCE.” It is not a “NAME” that was bestowed but a “NAME” that was “INHERITED” from His Father. Christ not only inherited His name but other things as well. Name means authority (Mark 11:9, John 5:43), and it also means character and nature (Exodus 33:18-19, Exodus 34:5-6). The name Adam means human for example. When people have children, they not only inherit the name of their parents but they also inherit the nature of the parents, which of course is human nature. In like manner, Jesus inherited the same name as His Father, just as a child inherits the name of the parents, and He also inherits the nature of His Father, which is His divine nature. Christ also inherits His Father's life. “For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself. ” John 5:26 . If Jesus had always existed alongside the Father as the Trinity doctrine claims, then God could not have given life to His Son as He would have always had life. But Scripture reveals this is impossible. Thus there is only “ONE” true God. Jesus is “NOT” the God, He is the “Son of God.” He carries the “NAME” of God by virtue of His “INHERITANCE.” And because He is the Son of God, He is “EQUAL” with God. Note that Ellen G. White endorsed what this Adventist pioneer wrote below who also explains very clearly. “This name [God] was not given to Christ in consequence of some great achievement, but it is His by right of inheritance. Speaking of the power and greatness of Christ, the writer to the Hebrews says that He is made so much better than the angels, because “He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.” Heb. 1:4. A son always rightfully takes the name of the father; and Christ, as “the only begotten Son of God,” has rightfully the same name. A son, also, is, to a greater or less degree, a reproduction of the father; he has, to some extent, the features and personal characteristics of his father; not perfectly, because there is no perfect reproduction among mankind. But there is no imperfection in God, or in any of His works; and so Christ is the “express image” of the Father's person. Heb. 1:3. As the Son of the self-existent God, he has by nature all the attributes of Deity. It is true that there are many sons of God; but Christ is the “only begotten Son of God,” and therefore the Son of God in a sense in which no other being ever was, or ever can be. The angels are sons of God, as was Adam (Job 38:7; Luke 3:38), by creation; Christians are the sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:14,15); but CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD BY BIRTH. The writer to the Hebrews further shows that the position of the Son of God is not one to which Christ has been elevated, but that it is one which He has by right. ” — (E.J. Waggoner, CAHR , p. 11-12)

The explaination for I Am,
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Note that the phrase “I am ” in John 8:58 comes from two Greek words “egō” and “eimi .” The Strong's Definitions are: “egō : “I” (only expressed when emphatic): - I, me. ” “eimi: I exist (used only when emphatic): - am, have been, X it is I, was. ” How would you expect Jesus to respond to this comment? “Then said the Jews unto him, You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham? ” John 8:57 Not knowing Jesus existed before Abraham, the Pharisees are saying how could you have seen Abraham because you are not yet 50 years old. Since the Greek words for “I am” also mean I exist or existed, what is the obvious translation and response from Christ who existed before Abraham? “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. ” John 8:58 Or “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I existed .” John 8:58 Both are valid translations and the majority of Bible translations agree with the last one in fact with good reason! So “I exist”, “I have been ” and “I was” are other possible translations which have all been used by various Bible translators for John 8:58 as well as elsewhere in the KJV. For example: ego eimi has been translated to “ I was ” in Luke 19:22 “ You knewest that I was (ego eimi) an austere man, ” It is also notable that the phrase ego eimi does not have any special meaning. It simply and most commonly just means “I am.” In the following examples Peter, Paul, Gabriel and Zacharias all said, “I am ” (ego eimi). But none of them were claiming to be God or without beginning. Luke 1:18 “And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am (ego eimi) an old man, ” Luke 1:19 “And the angel answering said unto him, I am (ego eimi) Gabriel, ” John 1:27 “He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am (ego eimi) not worthy to unloose. ” Acts 10:21 “Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am (ego eimi) he whom you seek: ” Acts 21:39 “Paul said, I am (ego eimi) a man which am a Jew of Tarsus,” Romans 7:14 “For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am (ego eimi) carnal,” In the following verse the blind man identifies himself by saying, ego eimi (I am). None of the Jews saw this man as declaring himself to be God. John 9:9 “Some said, This is he: others said , He is like him: but he said, I am (ego eimi) he.” Note that as per John 8:58, there is no predicate as the word “he” is added by the translators. Except for John 8:58, here are all the other verses where Jesus used the words ego eimi in the Gospels. Note that not one can be understood as Jesus claiming to be God, only the Son of God. Matthew 24:5, Mark 13:6, Luke 21:8 “I am Christ ”, John 8:24, 28, 13:19, 18:5, 6, 8, “I am he (Jesus) ,” Matthew 20:15 “I am good ,” Matthew 28:20 “I am with you always,” Mark 14:62 “Jesus said I am (the Son of God) ,” Luke 22:27 “I am among you as one who serveth ,” Luke 22:70 “You say that I am (the Son of God) ,” John 6:35, 48, 51 “I am the bread of life,” John 7:34, 12:26, 17:24, 14:3 “Where I am ,” John 8:12 “I am the light of the world ,” John 8:18 “I am the one that bear witness,” John 8:23 “I am from above,” and “I am not of this world ,” John 10:7, 9 “I am the door ,” John 10:11, 14 “I am the good shepherd,” John 11:25 “I am the resurrection,” John 14:6 “I am the way ,” John 15:1, 5 “I am the true vine,” John 17:14, 16 “I am not of the world ,” John 18:37 “Thou sayest that I am a king .” And so the meaning of the phrase ego eimi is governed by context and grammar, not by any special meaning. These words formed a phrase that was in very common use by Jews and Christians and in New Testament Scriptures in the first century. It was not the name of any deity, be it the God of the Bible or any other god. It was never understood by Jews or Christians as declaring one to be God. If it were understood that way, you can be certain that the Jews would have never applied it to themselves as they did so frequently! Christ simply used the present tense of the verb “to be,” and there is actually no proof in these words that he was alluding to the divine name of Exodus 3:14. More on this later. While it is not possible that the Jews would have seen Jesus claiming to be the Almighty God in John 8:58, we can be sure that Jesus meant one of the following things by the phrase “before Abraham came to be, I am (ego eimi). ” 1. “Before Abraham came to be, I have been.” 2. “I have been in existence before Abraham came to be. ” 3. “I existed before Abraham was born. ” (“ I was”; “I existed”; “I have been”) Note also that the words “I am” are present tense but Jesus is speaking of his existence in the past. By using the Greek word “prin” meaning “before”, Jesus places what He states next in the past tense, “before Abraham” came to be existing, and He then relates His own existence “before” Abraham's existence. Some translations treat the present tense verb (transliterated as “eimi”) in John 8:58 as a historical present, while other translators treat it as what some scholars call the progressive past (extending from the past to present). But some scholars say that the historical present is only used in narrative form, and claim that the words of Jesus in John 8:58 are not a narrative form. This however does not change the fact that the present tense verb is still used in a past tense context. Where is there any other scripture in the New Testament wherein modern translators used a present tense verb in a past tense context? It should be apparent that the “triune God” dogma has influenced most (but not all) Trinitarian translators to make an exception with John 8:58. The late A.T. Robertson who is considered to be one of the greatest Greek NT scholars that ever lived wrote the following concerning John 8:24 and 58: “That I am he (hoti ego eimi). Indirect discourse, but with no word in the predicate after the copula eimi. Jesus can mean either “that I am from above” (verse 23), “that I am the one sent from the Father or the Messiah” (7:18,28), “that I am the Light of the World” (8:12), “that I am the Deliverer from the bondage of sin” (8:28,31,36), “that I am” without supplying a predicate in the absolute sense as the Jews (Deuteronomy 32:39) used the language of Jehovah (cf. Isaiah 43:10 where the very words occur hina pisteusete--hoti ego eimi). ” And Jason BeDuhn, Ph.D, historian of religion and culture who is currently Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University wrote, “ A quick glance at Smyth's Greek Grammar reveals that what we are dealing with in John 8:58 is a well-known Greek idiom. The pertinent entry is in section 1885 on verb tenses, which states, “The present, when accompanied by a definite or indefinite expression of past time, is used to express an action begun in the past and continued in the present. The 'progressive perfect' is often used in translation. Thus, ...I have been long (and am still) wondering.” I think you can see immediately that this entry applies to John 8:58, where the present verb eimi is accompanied by an expression of past time, prin Abraam gensthai. ” — (Truth In Translation Accuracy and Bias in English Translation of the New Testament , Jason BeDuhn, Ch. 10, Tampering With Tenses p.106)
Mark 13:6 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am ( ego eimi) Christ ; and shall deceive many.” Luke 21:8 “And he said, Take heed that you be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am ( ego eimi) Christ ; and the time draweth near: go you not therefore after them. ” Matthew 24:5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am ( ego eimi) Christ; and shall deceive many. ”

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What does Alpha and Omega mean.

Note that every single verse with a reference to the Alpha and Omega without fail follows a reference to the second coming of Christ and the “end” of this world. This is not a coincidence. Christ created this world and brought about its beginning, and He will be there in its end at His second coming and will bring about its destruction. Thus Christ is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last as He states in Revelation 22:13. All three phrases mean the same thing. In Revelation 1:17-18 we find, “I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore. ” Who is the Alpha and Omega (the first and the last) that was dead and is alive for evermore? It is Christ. Revelation 1:7-8 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ” Revelation 21:1-6 “ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. ... 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Revelation 22:12-14 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. ” Note also that the last two passages while speaking of the end immediately reveal that those who keep the Commandments get to eat of the tree of life , and that the sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, idolaters and liars perish. Note how Revelation 21:7 references Revelation 2:7 below, which in turn references Revelation 22:14 in regards to those who get to eat from the tree of life, which are those who keep the Commandments of God. Revelation 2:7 “To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. ” So we find a reference to the end of this world and the second coming of Christ before the words in question while directly after these words are two more things that happen directly after the end. That is too much evidence to be coincidental. And since we are at the end of the Bible and dealing with the end, then that is why these verses only refer to the “end.” So if the “end” is referring to the end of this world than the “beginning” obviously refers to the beginning of this world, which we find in the beginning of the Bible such as Genesis 1:1 and references to the first chapter of Genesis. So everything we have seen so far reveals that these verses are referring to the second coming of Christ and the end of this world where the faithful who kept the Commandments of God get to eat from the tree of life while others perish. Note Clarke's Commentary on Revelation 1:8 and how these words were used and understood by the Jews. Did they see these words to mean that Christ has always existed and is God? This of course would also contradict Proverbs 8 that says Christ was brought forth and so would not be possible anyway. Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible. Adam Clarke, LL.D., F.S.A., (1715-1832) “This mode of speech is borrowed from the Jews, who express the whole compass of things by א aleph and ת tau, the first and last letters of the Hebrew alphabet; but as St. John was writing in Greek, he accommodates the whole to the Greek alphabet, of which Α alpha and Ω omega are the first and last letters. With the rabbins מא ועד ת meeleph vead tau, “from aleph to tau,” expressed the whole of a matter, from the beginning to the end. So in Yalcut Rubeni, fol. 17, 4: Adam transgressed the whole law from aleph to tau; i.e., from the beginning to the end. Ibid., fol. 48, 4: Abraham observed the law, from aleph to tau; i.e., he kept it entirely, from beginning to end. Ibid., fol. 128, 3: When the holy blessed God pronounced a blessing on the Israelites, he did it from aleph to tau; i.e., he did it perfectly. ” So as the Jews understood on the meaning of these words, from the beginning and first book of the Bible to the end and last book of the Bible, Jesus encompasses all things. Thus the Jews who actually knew the meaning of these words disagree with the claim made by Trinitarians. The beginning and the end referred to in these passages is the beginning of this created world, while the end is the second coming of Christ and the end of this world, when a New Heaven and Earth are created. Christ brought about the beginning of this world and He also brings about its end. Barnes Commentary on Revelation 22:13 also confirms what Scripture reveals in this respect. Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible. Albert Barnes (1798-1870) “The idea here is, that he will thus show that he is the first and the last - the beginning and the end. He originated the whole plan of salvation, and he will determine its close; he formed the world, and he will wind up its affairs. ” For Adventists: “Christ says, “I am the true witness. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. ” — (E.G. White, 1SAT, 231.3) “even from Genesis to Revelation. Christ is the Alpha, the first link, and the Omega, the last link, of the gospel chain, which is welded in Revelation. ” — (E.G. White, 10MR 171.1) “He is the Author and Finisher of our faith, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. ” — (E.G. White, 1888 , 783.2) “And so the statement that He is the beginning or head of the creation of God means that in Him creation had its beginning; that, as He Himself says, He is Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev. 21:6; 22:13. He is the source whence all things have their origin. ” — (E.J. Waggoner, CAHR , p. 20, 1890) The author of Hebrews illustrates another way that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega. “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. ” Hebrews 12:2 . Barnes Commentary relates this to the Alpha and Omega also. Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible. Albert Barnes (1798-1870) “The author and finisher of our faith - The word “our” is not in the original here, and obscures the sense. The meaning is, he is the first and the last as an example of faith ... The word “author” - ἀρχηγὸν archēgon - (marg. beginner) - means properly the source, or cause of anything; or one who makes a beginning. ... The phrase “the beginner of faith,” or the leader on of faith, would express the idea. He is at the head of all those who have furnished an example of confidence in God, for he was himself the most illustrious instance of it. ... The word “finisher” - τελειωτὴν teleiōtēn - corresponds in meaning with the word “author.” It means that he is the completer as well as the beginner; the last as well as the first. ... “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the first and the last.” The word does not mean that he was the “finisher” of faith in the sense that he makes our faith complete or perfects it - whatever may be true about that - but that he occupies this elevated position of being beyond comparison above all others. Alike in the commencement and the close, in the beginning of faith, and in its ending, he stands pre-eminent. ” Considering these verses in Revelation that state the beginning and the end are referring to the creating and beginning of this world, consider now Genesis 1:1, John 1:1-3 and Hebrews 1:10. Genesis 1:1 “ In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. ” [ The Beginning] Compare with: Revelation 21:1 “I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; ” [The End] John 1:1-3 “ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He [Jesus] was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. ” Hebrews 1:10 “And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: ” So these verses do not reveal Christ to be without beginning but that He pre- existed before all things were created in the beginning of this world. The use of the word beginning in this respect is consistent throughout Scripture. The confusion originates from Revelation 1:8 that even has theologians disagreeing with each other as they have missed something so simple. Please allow me to explain. Note that the three phrases “the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last” in Revelation 22:13 all mean the same thing. And so from Revelation 1:17-18 we know that the “first and the last” (Alpha and Omega) is Christ. “I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore. ” For Adventists: Ellen White is also clear, “Christ says, “I am the true witness. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. ” — (E.G. White, 1SAT , 231.3) Hence the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega” at the beginning of Revelation 1:8 refers to Christ, but the remainder of this verse refers to the Father. How do we know? To begin with, Revelation 1:4-5 has the following salutation. “Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come ... and from Jesus Christ .” So this salutation is from the Father (which is, and which was, and which is to come) and His Son (and from Jesus Christ .). So we know that the latter part of Revelation 1:8 which says “saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty ” is referring to the Father while the phrase “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” is referring to Christ. This is where many get confused as they so easily read this verse incorrectly. They either apply the entire verse to the Lord God almighty or they apply it entirely to Christ. Not that it really makes much difference to the meaning of this verse and what I am explaining, but those who do their research will find that the NIV for once actually has the most accurate rendering of this verse. We find the phrase “the beginning and the ending ” was added in the KJV (which is not incorrect) and the word “God ” was left out which would have made this verse a little clearer but it should still be obvious to any good Bible student. Adam Clarke's Commentary in regards to the phrase “the beginning and the ending ” says “ This clause is wanting [missing] in almost every MS. and version of importance. It appears to have been added first as an explanatory note, and in process of time crept into the text. Griesbach has left it out of the text. ” And in regards to the phrase “saith the Lord,” Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown Commentary says, “The oldest manuscripts read “the Lord God. ” And Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible says, “Or, saith God, according to what is now regarded as the correct reading. ” Compare the KJV and the NIV. Revelation 1:8 KJV “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. ” Revelation 1:8 NIV “I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. ” Comparing the following verses also reveals that the “Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty ” refers to the Father beyond any doubt. Revelation 1:4-5 “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come [ Father]; … and from Jesus Christ [ Son],” Revelation 4:8 “Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. ” Revelation 11:17 “ We give you thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which are, and were, and are to come;” The expression “which is, ” “ which was,” “which is to come” indicates that the last clause (which is to come) is a substitute for the future tense of the verb and is the same as saying “which will be ” which would have been less misunderstood. Because Some have assumed that this clause refers to the second coming of Christ. But it does not fit the context or the meaning of this phrase. This reference to the Father refers to His eternal nature and is saying that the same One who now continually exists has always existed and will always exist. The Twentieth Century New Testament more accurately reads, “the Lord, the God who is, and who was, and who shall be, ” Revelation 1:8 Now verse 8 can be read one of two ways and most are inclined to read it the wrong way which creates a contradiction of Scripture. This is why people either apply the entire verse to the Lord God almighty or they apply it entirely to Christ. When you read it with the correct understanding there is no contradiction of Scripture anymore. Revelation 1:8 is just one of those verses that lost its clear meaning when it was translated from Greek to English. Please allow me to paraphrase this verse and you should then be able to see how it is supposed to be read and understood. Note that Jesus is actually speaking the entire verse and He is saying, “I am the Alpha and Omega,” and my Father who is the Lord God, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty declares this. ” With this correct understanding you should now be able to read Revelation 1:8 without seeing any apparent contradiction.

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Does the Trinity Doctrine Make Sense or is it Nonsense? Since the Trinity doctrine claims Jesus is also the one God, an Adventist author from the 1800's wrote, “To believe that doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent Himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to Himself, raised Himself from the dead, ascended to Himself in heaven, pleads before Himself in heaven to reconcile the world to Himself, and is the only mediator between man and Himself… We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to Himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from Himself, and a thousand other such absurdities. ” — (J.N. Loughborough) Some of those other absurdities it teaches is that Jesus is the immortal God but died, is the invisible God but was seen, is the omnipotent God but was strengthened by an angel, is the omniscient God but did not know the day of his return, is as great as His Father but His Father is greater than He, is equal with the Father and yet He is the Father, is the Son but the same age as the Father, is the Son who has a Father and the God who has no Father, is the begotten Son and the unbegotten God, is very God and very man, came out from Himself, prayed to Himself, gave power to Himself, thanked Himself, bore witness of Himself, went back to Himself, sits at the right hand of Himself, is His own Father and His own Son, left Heaven and yet was there all the time. There are many things which are hard to understand in the Bible but you can be sure that God never expects us to believe impossibilities. Over and over again you hear it said that the Gospel is so simple a child can understand it. And I agree. But how can that be the case with the teaching of the Trinity? Not only do children not understand it, but our best theologians cannot even explain it. However, the thought that God sent His Son to this earth to die for you and me is easy to comprehend when we believe the simple Bible statement that Jesus is truly the Son of God! Not one of three mysterious beings making up “one God.” How can you possibly believe that Jesus is NOT the begotten Son of the eternal Father and share John 3:16 with others in the hope of inviting them to take part in eternal salvation. Doesn't John 3:16 become a lie the moment you deny He is a Son? A metaphor did not send a metaphor to save us. A Father sent us His Son to save us. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ” 2 John 1:3 “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. ”

olajigaolamide:
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is the most confusing aspects of Christianity because it talk about one God that exist as three distinctive persons. As Christians we all belief that there is only one God and at the same time we belief that they are three person in one God and that doesn't categorically means that they three Gods but only one God. The Father who is the first person of the Trinity is the maker of the universe and everything within and under the earth. The Son who happens to be the second person of the Trinity is the redeemer of human race, he was send by the father to save us, he died for us so that we can have eternal life. The Holy Spirit who happens to be the third person of the Trinity is the comforter promised and sent by the son to guide us and to be with us till the end of time.

The father exist and is being glorified in the son, the son exist and he is being glorified in the father, The Holy Spirit Exist and is being glorified in the father and the son, The father and the son both exist and are being glorified in the Holy Spirit.

We do know that some of our Christian brothers does not agree with the doctrine of the Trinity but it is indeed stupid to deny the God nature of the son. The Holy scripture confirms that Jesus Christ is God and he is co-equal with the father . Here are St part of the scriptures where Jesus was called God

In the Gospel of St John 20 Vs 28

"And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God."

Also in the Gospel of St John 5 Vs 18, The equality of Jesus with the father is confirmed

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

This two bible verse is enough to confirm the God nature of Christ.

You are totally wrong. Jesus cannot be the son of God and still be Co-equal with God.
No where in the Bible is the Holy spirit called God or the word or concept of trinity is found.

John 14:28
“Ye have heard how I said unto you, I
go away, and come again unto you. If ye
loved me, ye would rejoice, because I
said, I go unto the Father: for my Father
is greater than I. ”

solite3:
Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

IS JESUS GOD? – PART 1
Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God?
John 1:1 says, “(a) In the beginning was
the Word, (b) and the Word was with [the]
God, (c) and the Word was God. ”
That this Divine Word is none other than
Jesus Christ is shown by verse 14, “And
the Word was made flesh, and dwelt
among us, (and we beheld his glory, the
glory as of the only begotten of the
Father,) full of grace and truth. ”
John 1:1a says the Word was in the
beginning, but the beginning of what? It
has to be the beginning of something.
Was it the beginning of this world? Was
it the beginning of the creation of the
angels? Whichever beginning you place
it at, it has to be the beginning of
something.
Many Trinitarians use this to say that
Christ has always been, and had no
beginning. But that is not what the verse
says. God had no beginning and has
always existed! Also the Word “with” has
to mean something. The Word was
“with” God. They cannot be the same
being, or one could not be with the other.
As John 1:2 NIV says, “He [Jesus] was
with God in the beginning. ”
The proper rendering of John 1:1 into
English from the original Koine Greek
text continues to be a source of vigorous
debate among Bible translators, and
especially the phrase the Word was God
(c). The first verse of John's Gospel
says that God's Son Christ Jesus, being
referred to as the Word here, was with
God in the beginning, (a+b). John 1:1b
does not say that the Messiah is God
but was with “the” God. It is important to
note that the word “the” exists in the
Greek text and was left out by
translators as they probably thought it
read wrong, but it is correct and has
purpose. Here is the original Greek text
for (1b).
και and 2532 CONJ ο the 3588 T-NSM λογος
Word 3056 N-NSM ην was 2258 V-IXI-3S
προς with 4314 PREP τον the 3588 T-ASM
θεον God 2316 N-ASM
The phrase “the God” identifies the one
true God the Father in this verse and so
the word “the” is important. While Jesus
is called God in this verse, there is a
clear distinction between Him and “the”
God whom He was with. The God whom
Jesus was with is “the” God the Father.
Jesus was not the same God He was
with but rather Jesus was God in the
sense of being divine just like His Father,
as being the Son, He inherits the
characteristics of His Father. The Father
is God and so His Son is God by nature
just as any human by inheritance
possesses the very nature and form of
humanity.
One can better understand John 1:1 by
using the same grammatical structure
but with different subjects such as
Adam and Eve for example. “In the
beginning was the woman, and the
woman was with [the] human, and the
woman was human. ” Adam is “the
human ” and the woman is Eve, but Eve is
also human by nature but Eve is not “the
human ” in identity. They are two
separate persons.
Look at this again with this perspective
in mind. “In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with the Deity, and the
Word was Deity. ” The Word, the Son was
with the supreme Deity the Father, and
the Word was Deity in nature. But the
Son was not “the” Deity, the Son was not
“the” Father, yet the Son has the Father's
divine nature by inheritance. The Word
has the same God quality, the same
divine nature and the same God-ness as
His Father.
Thus Jesus was with God in the
beginning, but He is not “the” God the
Father but God by inheritance and nature
being the Son. He is God because He is
the Son of God. It is that simple.
“Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.
He was begotten, not created. HE IS OF
THE SUBSTANCE OF THE FATHER, SO
THAT IN HIS VERY NATURE HE IS GOD;
and since this is so “it pleased the Father
that in him should all fullness dwell.” Col.
1:19 ... While both are of the same
nature, the Father is first in point of time.
He is also greater in that he had no
beginning, while Christ's personality had
a beginning. ” — (E.J. Waggoner, ST , April
8, 1889)

[quote author=johnw47 post=82182183]so confused beelzebubAgent of absolutely no understanding

1timothy certainly is about the Father being King of kings and Lord of lords:
1Ti_6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

and rev 17 is about The Word(Jesus) being King of Kings and Lord of lords:
Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithf

Father and Son being King of kings and Lord of lords = Father and the Word(Jesus) is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[/quote
Trinitarians sometimes claim 1 Timothy
3:16 identifies Jesus as “God” because
the KJV translation says “God was
manifested in the flesh.” However,
modern Bible translations do not read
“God” in this verse. Trinitarians make
this claim by quoting from the King
James Version, despite the fact that
Bible scholars agree that the KJV
reading is a certain corruption. Despite
this, Trinitarians continue to cherry-pick
this verse from the KJV.
Below is the SDA Bible Commentary
based on the incorrect KJV translation
of the word “God.” The correct
translation is “he or who,” not “God. ” And
that “he” is Jesus Christ.
“God: Textual evidence favors the reading
“he who.” The reference is clearly to
Jesus, in and through whom the divine
secret has been revealed. ” — (Seventh-
day Adventist Bible Commentary)
Here is this verse from the KJV.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV “And without
controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,
preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in
the world, received up into glory. ”
And here it is from the NIV.
1 Timothy 3:16 NIV “Beyond all question,
the mystery of godliness is great: He
appeared in a body, was vindicated by
the Spirit, was seen by angels, was
preached among the nations, was
believed on in the world, was taken up in
glory. ”
If the word “God” was correct, observe
how the rest of the verse would read,
which is clearly incorrect.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV “And without
controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,
[God was] justified in the Spirit, [God was]
seen of angels, [God was] preached unto
the Gentiles, [God was] believed on in the
world, [God was] received up into glory. ”
Was God received up into glory? No!
Jesus Christ was received up into glory.
Trinitarians are going to have a hard
time making all that fit. Now if the
correct translation of “He” is used
referring to Christ, we have no problem
as we see below.
1 Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy
great is the mystery of godliness: [He]
was manifest in the flesh, [He was]
justified in the Spirit, [He was] seen of
angels, [He was] preached unto the
Gentiles, [He was] believed on in the
world, [He was] received up into glory. ”
Note the “New International Reader's
Version” for example.
1 Timothy 3:16 NIRV “ There is no doubt
that godliness is a great mystery. Jesus
appeared in a body. The Holy Spirit
proved that he was the Son of God. He
was seen by angels. He was preached
among the nations. People in the world
believed in him. He was taken up to
heaven in glory.”
The following Bible Commentary from
Albert Barnes explains how this error
happened. You will notice that he is
reluctant to state the obvious as he was
in fact a Trinitarian.
Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible,
(1798-1870)
“God - Probably there is no passage in
the New Testament which has excited so
much discussion among critics as this,
and none in reference to which it is so
difficult to determine the true reading. It
is the only one, it is believed, in which the
microscope has been employed to
determine the lines of the letters used in
a manuscript; and, after all that has been
done to ascertain the exact truth in
regard to it, still the question remains
undecided. It is not the object of these
notes to enter into the examination of
questions of this nature. A full
investigation may be found in Wetstein.
The question which has excited so much
controversy is, whether the original Greek
word was Θεὸς Theos, “God,” or whether
it was ὅςhos, “who,” or ὁho, “which.” The
controversy has turned, to a considerable
degree, on the reading in the “Codex
Alexandrinus;” and a remark or two on the
method in which the manuscripts in the
New Testament were written, will show
the true nature of the controversy.
Greek manuscripts were formerly written
entirely in capital letters, and without
breaks or intervals between the words,
and without accents; see a full
description of the methods of writing the
New Testament, in an article by Prof.
Stuart in Dr. Robinson's Biblotheca Sacra,
No. 2, pp. 254ff The small, cursive Greek
letters which are now used, were not
commonly employed in transcribing the
New Testament, if at all, until the ninth or
tenth centuries. It was a common thing to
abridge or contract words in the
manuscript. Thus, πρ would be used for
πατερpater, “father;” κς for κυριοςkurios,
“Lord;” Θς for Θεος Theos, “God,” etc.
The words thus contracted were
designated by a faint line or dash over
them. In this place, therefore, if the
original uncials (capitals) were Θ¯C¯,
standing for Θεὸς Theos, “God,” and the
line in the Θ, and the faint line over it,
were obliterated from any cause, it would
easily be mistaken for OC - ὅςhos -
“who.”
To ascertain which of these is the true
reading, has been the great question; and
it is with reference to this that the
microscope has been resorted to in the
examination of the Alexandrian
manuscript. It is now generally admitted
that the faint line “over” the word has
been added by some later hand, though
not improbably by one who found that the
line was nearly obliterated, and who
meant merely to restore it. Whether the
letter O was originally written with a n't
within it, making the reading “God,” it is
now said to be impossible to determine,
in consequence of the manuscript at this
place having become so much worn by
frequent examination. The Vulgate and
the Syriac read it: “who,” or “which.” The
Vulgate is, “Great is the sacrament of
piety which was manifested in the flesh.”
The Syriac, “Great is the mystery of
godliness, that he was manifested in the
flesh. ”
So it has been admitted by many that
this could be a deliberate corruption to
push the Trinity doctrine. Albert Barnes
admits this and then tries to cover
obscure this fact by giving an opinion in
favour of what he would like to believe.
Thus we find that there are many
theologians who actually have a good
idea how this corruption happened.
Scribal copyists regularly used a
contracted form of the Greek word for
“God” called a “nomina sacra ” that was
used very early in Christian history for
sacred names. The Greek word for
“God” is theos which is written as
“Θεος. ” The abbreviation took the form
“Θς” with a faint overscore stroke above
the abbreviation, which often become
quite faint in the copies.
Now the Greek word for “who” is the
word “hos ” which is written in Greek as
“Oς. ” Notice the similarity between these
two words “Θς ” and “Oς ” and also
remember they were hand written. With
the exception of one pen stroke, the
Omicron “O ” and Theta “Θ ” are nearly
identical. So it would be very easy to
make a mistake copying from one
manuscript to another, which would be
excusable if this is what happened.
But it would also be easy for an
overzealous scribe to execute a forgery
by changing the manuscript and the
handwritten “O ” (Omicron) into a
“Θ ” (Theta) with a single stroke of his
pen which would completely change the
meaning of the verse.
It would also be very easy to change the
word “ho” to “theos” by adding a stroke
and an “ s.” But it would be a lot more
difficult to do it the other way around
without getting caught as you would
have to remove the stroke.
There is also evidence that ink may have
bled through the other side of the media
and made it appear to a copyist to read
“Θς ” because the ink bleeding could
make it appear to be a line where “Oς ”
had been written. Whether or not it was
an honest copying mistake or a forgery,
it is very likely that the error was
produced in this manner.
So below are the known facts:
1) Trinitarians are focused on a version
of the text which is known to be a scribal
error.
2) Modern Trinitarian translations and
their translators admit this is a scribal
error and do not translate this passage
with the known error that seemed to
support Trinity doctrine.
3) We know this error occurred by either
(1) one additional stroke of a pen
changing the Greek word from “who” to
“God” or (2) by two additional strokes of
a pen changing the Greek word from
“which” to God, or (3) by the ink bleeding
through the media used.
4) The KJV version of this verse is NOT
found anywhere in early Christian
writings before the Trinity doctrine was
created.
5) No early manuscripts contain this
version of the verse. The corrupted
version of this text appears only after the
Trinity doctrine was developed in the
fourth and fifth century.
6) The Greek grammar also indicates
this rendering is wrong.
Below I have provided 25 translations
(and there are many more ) where the
translators new it was error and have
the correct reading of the manuscript.
Most say “He” and some even say
“Jesus” and “Christ” outright.
1Timothy 3:16
(ASV) “And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness; He who was
manifested in the flesh, Justified in the
spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among
the nations, Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.”
(BBE) “ And without argument, great is
the secret of religion: He who was seen
in the flesh, who was given God's
approval in the spirit, was seen by the
angels, of whom the good news was
given among the nations, in whom the
world had faith, who was taken up in
glory. ”
(CEV) “ Here is the great mystery of our
religion: Christ came as a human. The
Spirit proved that he pleased God, and he
was seen by angels. Christ was preached
to the nations. People in this world put
their faith in him, and he was taken up to
glory. ”
(CJB) “Great beyond all question is the
formerly hidden truth underlying our faith:
He was manifested physically and proved
righteous spiritually, seen by angels and
proclaimed among the nations, trusted
throughout the world and raised up in
glory to heaven. ”
(CENT) “By common confession, great is
the mystery of godliness: he was
revealed in the flesh, was vindicated in
the Spirit, seen by angels, preached
among the nations, believed on in the
world, taken up in glory. ”
(ESV) “Great indeed, we confess, is the
mystery of godliness: He was manifested
in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen
by angels, proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world, taken up in
glory. ”
(GNB) “ No one can deny how great is the
secret of our religion: He appeared in
human form, was shown to be right by
the Spirit, and was seen by angels. He
was preached among the nations, was
believed in throughout the world, and was
taken up to heaven. ”
(HCSB) “ And most certainly, the mystery
of godliness is great: He was manifested
in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by
angels, preached among the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, taken up in
glory. ”
(LONT) “And, confessedly, great is the
secret of godliness; -he who has
manifested in the flesh, justified in the
Spirit; seen of messengers, proclaimed to
the Gentiles, believed on in the world,
taken up in glory. ”
(MSG) “ This Christian life is a great
mystery, far exceeding our understanding,
but some things are clear enough: He
appeared in a human body, was proved
right by the invisible Spirit, was seen by
angels. He was proclaimed among all
kinds of peoples, believed in all over the
world, taken up into heavenly glory.”
(MRC) “ And as agreed by common
consent great is the mystery of piety: He
Who was manifested in the flesh, was
justified in the Spirit, seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations, believed
on in the world, taken up in glory. ”
(NASB) “By common confession, great is
the mystery of godliness: He who was
revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in
the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed
among the nations, Believed on in the
world, Taken up in glory. ”
(NCV) “ Without doubt, the secret of our
life of worship is great: He was shown to
us in a human body, proved right in spirit,
and seen by angels. He was preached to
those who are not Jews, believed in by
the world, and taken up in glory. ”
(NET) “And we all agree, our religion
contains amazing revelation: He was
revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the
Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among
Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken
up in glory. ”
(NIRV) “There is no doubt that godliness
is a great mystery. Jesus appeared in a
body. The Holy Spirit proved that he was
the Son of God. He was seen by angels.
He was preached among the nations.
People in the world believed in him. He
was taken up to heaven in glory. ”
(NIV) “Beyond all question, the mystery
of godliness is great: He appeared in a
body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was
seen by angels, was preached among the
nations, was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory. ”
(NLT) “Without question, this is the great
mystery of our faith: Christ appeared in
the flesh and was shown to be righteous
by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and
was announced to the nations. He was
believed on in the world and was taken
up into heaven. ”
(NLV) “It is important to know the secret
of Godlike living, which is: Christ came to
earth as a Man. He was pure in His Spirit.
He was seen by angels. The nations
heard about Him. Men everywhere put
their trust in Him. He was taken up into
heaven. ”
(NRSV) “Without any doubt, the mystery
of our religion is great: He was revealed
in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by
angels, proclaimed among Gentiles,
believed in throughout the world, taken up
in glory. ”
(RSV) “Great indeed, we confess, is the
mystery of our religion: He was
manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the
Spirit, seen by angels, preached among
the nations, believed on in the world,
taken up in glory. ”
(RV) “And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness; He who was
manifested in the flesh, justified in the
spirit, seen of angels, preached among
the nations, believed on in the world,
received up in glory. ”
(TCNT) “ Yes, and confessedly wonderful
are the deep truths of our religion; for--
'He was revealed in our nature,
pronounced righteous in spirit, seen by
angels, proclaimed among the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, taken up into
glory.' ”
(UPDV) “And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness; He who was
manifested in the flesh, Justified in the
spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among
the nations, Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.”
(WmsNT) “Undoubtedly the mystery of
our religion is a great wonder: "He was
made visible in human form; He was
vindicated by the Spirit; He was seen by
angels; He was proclaimed among the
heathen; He was trusted in throughout
the world; He was taken up to glory.”
(WNT) “And, beyond controversy, great is
the mystery of our religion-- that Christ
appeared in human form, and His claims
justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels
and proclaimed among Gentile nations,
was believed on in the world, and
received up again into glory. ”
Some Trinitarians will stop at nothing to
try and prove this soul stealing lie from
Satan that was brought into
Christendom by the Roman Catholic
Church long after the Bible was written.
1 Timothy 3:16 is a perfect example of
just how far they will go.

johnw47:
Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


i posted a very good short section of a commentary showing that: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is indeed God
in fact three times i posted it, and three times it was deleted
perhaps a mod is a false jw or some other Father, Son and Holy Spirit hater

if any christian wants to read it, send me a email: achristian@asia.com
and i will send the short commentary to you

Let me bust your bubble.

This Bible verses prove that the disciples did not baptize in the name of the father ,Son and Holy Spirit.

On baptism the true fact is that the apostles did not even baptise in the name of God the Father Son and the Holyspirit.Here are Bible verses of anyone who was baptized . Acts 2:38 ; Acts
8:12 ; Acts 8:16 ; Acts 10:48 ; Acts 19:5 ;Acts 22:16 ; Romans 6:3 ; 1 Corinthians1:13 ; Galatians 3:27 . But as you can see,
there is not one person following what Christ supposedly instructed them to do.
In every verse we find people baptized into the name of our Lord Jesus Christ
only. So why the apparent disobedience of the apostles?
There is a school of taught that is of the opinion that those words were added by trinitarians and those words were not in the original manuscript.

power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ” Matthew 28:18 . And John wrote “The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into his hand. ” John 3:35
For Adventists: “God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He
has been made equal with the Father. ” —
(E.G. White, 8T 268.3)

Barristter07:
Emphasis on " Apart from him "



Revelation 3:14 on his been created. No question please ! U can choose to stay deluded, Thats your problem .

I ask you again : If all things came through Christ, What came though the Father ? ? ( Romans 11:36 )

[NOTE: Unless you mean both are one same PERSON, if they are not what is that creation that came through the father as well ]

This guys reason like three year olds.

This is simple logic.

If Mr A wants a house built and he hires an engineer to get the house built, now we can say that the house was built by Mr A becos he provide the resources and intiative required to build the house, hence he is the owner as well as the builder.

When people see the house and like the work they can enquire and ask for the builder i.e the engineer who got the job done.
As you can see from this example both the actual owner of the house and the engineer can both be rightfully called the builder.
Same way God and his son can both be called the creator,
Jesus was the one that created the World and everything in It, but he could not do that without his father giving him the power,authority ,wisdom and life to do that.

When you study the word of God carefully you find out that this trinitarians are just twisting verses to suit their fantasy.

Janosky:
Bible > Topical > Beget
◄ Beget3. ( v. t. ) To produce as an
effect; to cause to exist. Compare
John5:26. Col1:15.


Jehovah CAUSED Jesus TO EXIST", Yes Jesus Christ was created before the founding of the world. That's the exact meaning of his Father beget Jesus.
Psalms 90:2, Yahweh begat, gave birth, born the mountains and the earth.
Prov 8:22, Jesus is a creature , the wisdom personified in Prov8:22-30 & 1 Cor1:24.

Jesus says his Father granted life to him. John5:26.

Prov2:6 Yahweh is the source of wisdom.
John5:26 Yahweh is the source of life.


Johnw MUMU FRAUD of a PHARISEE, receive sense....


John1:3, is clear that Yahweh created the world THROUGH Jesus.

Excellent points Bro, I Concur.

johnw47:
blinded beelzebubAgent

do you read the posts, go back and read mine again
i'm not having discussions, enlightening you, a sewer mouth false accuser
you will have to stay with your lies and confusion

Mat_7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Are you trying to run away from my simple questions?

Only a yes or No will do.

johnw47:
beelzebubAgent, you know i wont waste any more time explaining anything to you a sewer mouth false accuser
having absolutely no understanding, with lies and confusion

https://www.nairaland.com/5382917/trinity-doctrine-false-doctrine-it/7#81785581

btw, i don't believe the Son is the Father, i believe Father and Son is two persons in God, as in john 1:1
read your post and see how there is no one more duh than you

btw, i don't believe the Son is the Father, i believe Father
and Son is two persons in God, as in john 1:1
read your post and see how there is no one more duh than
you.

Really? from trinity to two persons in God, what do we call your own doctrine twinity ?

solite3:
The word trinity is not in the bible just as the word Bible is not in the bible but the concept is taught in the bible.

How is the concept in the Bible?

solite3:
No man can explain God but yet he exist.
The fact that something cannot be explained does not mean it is non existant.
What is important is that it is supported by the bible.

Lie.
God has clear told us that Jesus is his literal Son.

Jesus also affirmed that and also told us that his father is greater than him, but you trinitarians want us to ignore all the clear Bible verses that Describes God and his son Jesus, inorder to accept a fraud called trinity doctrine that has it's origin in pagan religion.

Barristter07:
Solite3 that doesnt have sense, The I AM of Exodus Described himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob . Help me ask him: Is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ?

I have given him examples were Paul and some other Apostles used the translated expression of IAM to identify themselves, does this that mean that they were claiming to be God?

The word translated as Iam has different meaning which I explained to him with Bible verses to prove but he will not accept it, becos it contradicts their fraud doctrine.

johnw47:
so confused beelzebubAgent of absolutely no understanding

1timothy certainly is about the Father being King of kings and Lord of lords:
1Ti_6:15  Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

and rev 17 is about The Word(Jesus) being King of Kings and Lord of lords:
Rev_17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Father and Son being King of kings and Lord of lords = Father and the Word(Jesus) is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

That's why you don't know that the trinity doctrine is a fraud. you can barely understand Bible verses.

Paul was the writer of that Bible verse and he was referring to Jesus, that when he 'Jesus' will come that he will show the father who alone has immortality and no eyes has seen him.
Of cos people saw Jesus and Jesus also died so that rules Jesus out of the question the only one who has immortality is God the Bible even tells us that God gives his son, Jesus life.

John 5:26

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to
the Son to have life in himself;

1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.



1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

solite3:
That is how cultism is, brainwashed with indoctrination.
Even their own bible is so confusing that they are too ashamed to preach with it.

I am weak by their poor reasoning. How can someone without whom creation is not possible be created?
According to Jehovah witness John is wrong someone was created without Jesus Signs

THE “TRINITY” DOCTRINE
USED FOR EVIL
An Eyewitness Account :
Michael Servetus Villanovanus
burned at the stake
for rejecting “the trinity” doctrine
27th of October 1553
“.Shortly after twelve o’clock,
a procession started from the town-hall of Geneva
-the chief magistrates of the city,
the clergy in their robes, the Lieutenant Criminel
and other officers on horseback… and in their midst,
with arms bound, in shabby, dirty clothes,
walked a man of middle age, whose intellectual face
bore the marks of long suffering…
Mounting the hill, the field of Champel was reached,
and here on sight eminence was the fateful stake,
with dangling chains and heaping bundles of gays.
At this sight the poor victim prostrated himself
on the ground in prayer….
‘Misericordia, misericordia!
Jesu, thou Son of the eternal God,
have compassion upon me!’
Bound to the stake by the iron chains,
with a chaplet of straw and green twigs covered
with sulphur on his head, with long dark face,
it is said that he looked like the Christ
in whose name he was bound.
Around his waist were tied a large bundle
of manuscript and a thick octavo printed book.
The torch was applied, and as the flames spread
to the straw and sulphur and flashed in his eyes,
there was a piercing cry that struck terror
into the hearts of the bystanders.
The gays were green, the burning was slow,
and it was long before in a last agony
he cried again,
‘Jesu, thou Son of the eternal God,
have mercy on me!’
Thus died in his forty-fourth year,
Michael Servetus Villanovanus,
physician, physiologist, and heretic.
…he remained faithful unto death
to what he believed was the Truth
as revealed in the Bible.”
– The execution scene
as described by Sir William Osler
“To enforce the decisions (about the trinity)
of the Council of Nicea, Constantine commanded,
with the death penalty for disobedience…….”
– A History of Christianity
Volume 1 1997
Kenneth Scott Latourette

solite3:
That is how cultism is, brainwashed with indoctrination.
Even their own bible is so confusing that they are too ashamed to preach with it.

I am weak by their poor reasoning. How can someone without whom creation is not possible be created?
According to Jehovah witness John is wrong someone was created without Jesus Signs

Why can’t theologians explain this doctrine?
By no means are theologians’ explanations of the Trinity
doctrine clear. Religious writer A.W. Tozer, in his book The
Knowledge of the Holy, states that the Trinity is an
“incomprehensible mystery” and that attempts to understand it
“must remain forever futile.” He admits that churches, “without
pretending to understand,” have nevertheless continued to
teach this doctrine (1961, pp. 17-18).
He then remarkably concludes, “The fact that it cannot be
satisfactorily explained, instead of being against it, is in its
favor” (p. 23).
The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary, in its article on the Trinity,
concedes that the Trinitarian concept is humanly
incomprehensible: “It is admitted by all who thoughtfully deal
with this subject that the Scripture revelation here leads us
into the presence of a deep mystery; and that all human
attempts at expression are of necessity imperfect” (1988, p.
1308).
Cyril Richardson, professor of church history at New York’s
Union Theological Seminary, though a dedicated Trinitarian
himself, said this in his book The Doctrine of The Trinity:
“My conclusion, then, about the doctrine of the Trinity is that it
is an artificial construct . . . It produces confusion rather than
clarification; and while the problems with which it deals are
real ones, the solutions it offers are not illuminating. It has
posed for many Christians dark and mysterious statements,
which are ultimately meaningless, because it does not
sufficiently discriminate in its use of terms” (1958, pp.
148-149).
He also admitted, “Much of the defense of the Trinity as a
‘revealed’ doctrine, is really an evasion of the objections that
can be brought against it” (p. 16).
A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge states regarding the
Trinity, “Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how
it is to be explained, Trinitarians are not agreed among
themselves” (Lyman Abbott, editor, 1885, “Trinitarians”).
Why do even those who believe in the Trinity find it so difficult
to explain?
The answer is simple yet shocking: It’s because the Bible
does not teach it! One cannot prove or explain something from
the Bible that is not biblical! The Bible is our only reliable
source of divine revelation. And the truth, as we will see, is
that the Trinity concept simply is not part of God’s revelation
to humankind.
But don’t just take our word for it! Let’s see what some
standard works of biblical scholarship and other individual
scholars say.
Surprising admissions that the Trinity isn’t in the Bible!
Notice these admissions from a number of reputable sources
and authors who, while themselves affirming the Trinity,
acknowledge that the word “Trinity” and the doctrine is not
found in the Bible.
The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia acknowledges
that “ ‘trinity’ is a second-century term found nowhere in the
Bible, and the Scriptures present no finished trinitarian
statement” (1988, Vol. 4, “Trinity,” p. 914). It further states
that “church fathers crystallized the doctrine in succeeding
centuries”—long after the apostles had passed from the scene.
The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary tells us, “The formal
doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church
councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in
the NT [New Testament]” (Paul Achtemeier, editor, 1996,
“Trinity”).
The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism states: “Today,
however, scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of
the Trinity as such in either the OT [ Old Testament ] or the NT
[ New Testament ] . . . It would go far beyond the intention
and thought-forms of the OT to suppose that a late-fourth-
century or thirteenth-century Christian doctrine can be found
there . . . Likewise, the NT does not contain an explicit
doctrine of the Trinity” (Richard McBrien, general editor, 1995,
“God,” pp. 564-565).
The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, in its article on the Trinity,
explains: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine
appears in the New Testament . . . The doctrine developed
gradually over several centuries and through many
controversies . . . It was not until the 4th century that the
distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together
in a single orthodox doctrine of one essence and three
persons” (1985 edition, Micropaedia, Vol. 11, p. 928).
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology
points out that “primitive Christianity did not have an explicit
doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in
the creeds of the early church” (Colin Brown, editor, Vol. 2,
1976, “God,” p. 84).
Historian and science fiction writer H.G. Wells, in his noted
work The Outline of History, points out, “There is no evidence
that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity—at any rate
from him” (1920, Vol. 2, p. 499).
Martin Luther, the German priest who initiated the Protestant
Reformation, conceded, “It is indeed true that the name
‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has
been conceived and invented by man” (reproduced in The
Sermons of Martin Luther, John Lenker, editor, Vol. 3, 1988, p.
406).
The Oxford Companion to the Bible states: “Because the
Trinity is such an important part of later Christian doctrine, it
is striking that the term does not appear in the New
Testament. Likewise, the developed concept of three coequal
partners in the Godhead found in later creedal formulations
cannot be clearly detected within the confines of the canon
[i.e., actual Scripture]” (Bruce Metzger and Michael Coogan,
editors, 1993, “Trinity,” p. 782).
Professor Charles Ryrie, in his respected work Basic Theology,
writes: “Many doctrines are accepted by evangelicals as being
clearly taught in the Scripture for which there are no proof
texts. The doctrine of the Trinity furnishes the best example of
this. It is fair to say that the Bible does not clearly teach the
doctrine of the Trinity . . . In fact, there is not even one proof
text, if by proof text we mean a verse or passage that ‘clearly’
states that there is one God who exists in three
persons” (1999, p. 89).
Ryrie goes on to state: “The above illustrations prove the
fallacy of concluding that if something is not proof texted in
the Bible we cannot clearly teach the results . . . If that were
so, I could never teach the doctrine of the Trinity” (p. 90).
Millard Erickson, research professor of theology at
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes that the
Trinity “is not clearly or explicitly taught anywhere in Scripture,
yet it is widely regarded as a central doctrine, indispensable to
the Christian faith. In this regard, it goes contrary to what is
virtually an axiom of biblical doctrine, namely, that there is a
direct correlation between the scriptural clarity of a doctrine
and its cruciality to the faith and life of the church.
“In view of the difficulty of the subject and the great amount of
effort expended to maintain this doctrine, we may well ask
ourselves what might justify all this trouble” ( God in Three
Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity, 1995,p.
12).
Professor Erickson further states that the Trinity teaching “is
not present in biblical thought, but arose when biblical thought
was pressed into this foreign mold [of Greek concepts]. Thus,
the doctrine of the Trinity goes beyond and even distorts what
the Bible says about God” (p. 20).
Professor Erickson later points out: “It is claimed that the
doctrine of the Trinity is a very important, crucial, and even
basic doctrine. If that is indeed the case, should it not be
somewhere more clearly, directly, and explicitly stated in the
Bible? If this is the doctrine that especially constitutes
Christianity’s uniqueness . . . how can it be only implied in the
biblical revelation? . . . For here is a seemingly crucial matter
where the Scriptures do not speak loudly and clearly.
“Little direct response can be made to this charge. It is unlikely
that any text of Scripture can be shown to teach the doctrine of
the Trinity in a clear, direct, and unmistakable fashion” (pp.
108-109). Later in this booklet we will consider various
scriptures often used to support the Trinity doctrine.
Shirley Guthrie, Jr., professor of theology at Columbia
Theological Seminary, writes: “The Bible does not teach the
doctrine of the Trinity. Neither the word ‘trinity’ itself nor such
language as ‘one-in-three,’ ‘three-in-one,’ one ‘essence’ (or
‘substance’), and three ‘persons,’ is biblical language. The
language of the doctrine is the language of the ancient church
taken from classical Greek philosophy” ( Christian Doctrine,
1994, pp. 76-77).”

johnw47:
oh most duh lying pharisee™ deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ ~~~~~~ and false accuser like hell

normally, and as in my father begat me, means i didn't exist before hand

in Jesus case oh know nothing, when Father begat Jesus He already existed
so He was not created oh most duh one, he was made man:

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.







again oh most duh duh duh one ~~~~~~~~ and copycat like hell
of course Father is the only one God who is the creator of all things
and Jesus is that only one God, john 1:1 who is the creator of all things, john 1:3, laugh,
i only just explained that to you with verses, in the last post
such a blinded mumu

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1. Hebrews 1:5 tells us that Jesus was begotten by His
Father. Did He beget Himself?
2. In Matthew 22:44 , the Father said Jesus would sit at His
right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was
Jesus to sit at His own right hand?
3. In Matthew 24:36 , when Jesus told His disciples that no
one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only,
did He really know but made up an excuse to not tell them?
4. In John 14:28 , Jesus said His Father was greater than He
was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?
5. In John 17:1 , Jesus prayed to His Father. Was He praying
to Himself?
6. In Matthew 27:46 , Jesus cried out, “My God, My God, why
have you forsaken Me?” Had He forsaken Himself?
7. In John 20:17 , Jesus said He would ascend to the Father
after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?
These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a
rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only
unbiblical, but also utterly illogical!

Janosky:
@1)
Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ,

*** ANSWER:
Mumu Pharisees, Matt 11:25,YAHWEH "The Lord of heaven and earth has NO Lord over himself. HE is " the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"
Acts2:36, Yahweh made Jesus a lord.
Solite3 no get sense.


@2)
Solite3 quoted 1Cor 8:6 which PROVED that Jesus is distinct from Almighty God his Father in Ephesians 1:3.
Yet Solite3 still CONTRADICT himself
"That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty"
Solite3 no get sense at all, mumu Pharisees.


**@3)
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am
not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my
brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto
my Father, and your Father; and to my God,
and your God."

Rev3:5,12 in heaven and John 20:17 on earth render your John 20:28 false claim INVALID.

I wonder how this trinitarians reason.

solite3:
The trinity is simple,
One God but three persons.
God the father, the word the Spirit are all credited with the work of creation.
Why did you cut out part where Jesus is said to be the One Lord.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I remember somebody asked a question which you all dodged.

If Jesus is The only Lord does that not exclude the father?

By the way Paul said all things are of the father and all things are through the son. This infact is consistent with John who said that all things was created through Jesus but let me shock you,

Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.



Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Jehovah said he stretched the heavens alone and spread abroad te earth by himself.
Was Jehovah wrong or right?
Does this not prove trinity? That Jesus is infact none else than God Almighty?
How could this be possible if God does not exist in multiplicity of persons called the trinity (father, Son and Holy ghost)
Like I earlier said dont follow blindly check yourself.

Again see,
Psalms 50:6
And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

This is a prophecy that a time is coming when God himself will be the judge.
Look at what Jesus said


John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


Is Jesus to be worshipped? Of course he is God
Jesus was worshipped many times in the bible, Thomas even called him my Lord and my God affirming his Deity.
See this,

John 5:23
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

What is the honor we give to the father? That same honor not less should apply to the Son.
Compare

Isaiah 48:11
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.


For whom were all things created?

Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jesus has same title with God
Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.


Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

I could go on and on, the whole bible is filled with the fact of the trinity.
Although we cannot fully understand God, for he God said

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

But we can fully trust what he has revealed in his word the holy bible.
You could seek to study with true christians the gospel as laid down in the bible.

Is the word "Trinity" found anywhere in the Bible? No, it's not.
Is the phrase "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit" in the Bible? No. So what does the Bible say?
THE FATHER: - 'God the Father' 13 times; 'The most high
God' 11 times; 'The Highest' 6 times; 'The only true God' 1
time.
JESUS CHRIST: - 'Son of God' 48 times; 'only begotten' 6
times; God's 'Holy Child' 2 times; His 'firstborn' 4 times.
HOLY SPIRIT: - 'Spirit of God' 26 times; 'God's Spirit' 9 times;
'Thy Spirit' 4 times; 'Spirit of your Father' 1 time; 'Spirit of
Christ' 2 times.
TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0 times; 'God the Son' 0
times; 'God in three persons' 0 times; 'trinity' or 'triune God' 0
times.

johnw47:
it's obvious beelzebubAgent cannot stop lying
"it's obvious i won't explain trinity to one of no understanding", would have been a honest comment



laugh, it's impossible for Father God not to exist
a idiotic question from a idiotic person of no understanding

Answer my question. would Jesus have existed without God?

Owologbo:
I don't know if you are a Christian.
let me enlighten you a little:

1) John 1:1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. (here, Jesus is the word)

2) John 1:14 The word became flesh and made his dwelling among us ( Jesus is the word that became flesh which is God)
the above 2 scriptures proved that Jesus is God.
Trinity is same as God the Father, son and the Holy Spirit Matthew 28:19

Is the word "Trinity" found anywhere in the Bible? No, it's not.
Is the phrase "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy
Spirit" in the Bible? No. So what does the Bible say?
THE FATHER: - 'God the Father' 13 times; 'The most high
God' 11 times; 'The Highest' 6 times; 'The only true God' 1
time.
JESUS CHRIST: - 'Son of God' 48 times; 'only begotten' 6
times; God's 'Holy Child' 2 times; His 'firstborn' 4 times.
HOLY SPIRIT: - 'Spirit of God' 26 times; 'God's Spirit' 9 times;
'Thy Spirit' 4 times; 'Spirit of your Father' 1 time; 'Spirit of
Christ' 2 times.
TRINITARIAN: - 'God the Holy Spirit' 0 times; 'God the Son' 0
times; 'God in three persons' 0 times; 'trinity' or 'triune God' 0
times.

TruthHurts1:
Here is a comprehensive list of the 50 most influential scientists in the world based on a gathering of data from the top 100 Universities and Research Institutes from across the globe.
As you can see from the list no "local champion" Nigerian scientists came within a whisker of significance.

NAME AND FIELD

1. Alain AspectQuantum Theory
2. David BaltimoreVirology—HIV & Cancer
3. Allen BardElectrochemistry
4. Timothy Berners-Lee Computer Science
5. John Tyler Bonner Evolutionary Biology
6. Dennis Bray Molecular Biology
7. Sydney Brenner Biology—Genetics
8. Pierre Chambon Genetics & Cellular Biology
9. Simon Conway Morris Evolutionary Paleobiology
10. Mildred Dresselhaus Carbon Science
11. Gerald M. Edelman Neuroscience
12. Ronald Evans Molecular Genetics
13. Anthony Fauci Immunology—HIV
14. Anthony Fire Genetics—RNAi
15. Jean Fréchet Biotechnology
16. Margaret Geller Astronomy
17. Jane Goodall Primatologist
18. Alan Guth Inflationary Cosmology
19. Lene Vestergaard HauQuantum Physics
20. Stephen Hawking Physics & Cosmology
21. Peter Higgs Physics—Higgs Boson
22. Leroy Hood Systems Biology
23. Eric Kandel Neuroscience
24. Andrew Knoll Paleontology
25. Charles Kao Fiber Optics

26. Martin Karplus Quantum Chemistry
27. Donald KnuthComputer Programming
28. Robert Marks II Computational Intelligence
29. Craig Mello Molecular Medicine
30. Luc Montagnier Immunology—HIV
31. Gordon Moore Physicist—Intel Corp.
32. Kary Mullis DNA Chemist
33. C. Nüsslein- Volhard Developmental Biology
34. Seiji Ogawaf MRI Technology
35. Jeremiah Ostriker. Astrophysics
36. Roger Penrose Mathematics & Physics
37. Stanley Prusiner Neurodegeneration
38. Henry F. Schaefer III Quantum Chemistry
39. Thomas Südhof Neurotransmission
40. Jack Szostak Genetics
41. James Tour Nanotechnology
42. Charles Townes Quantum Electronics
43. Harold Varmus Oncology
44. Craig Venter Human Genetics
45. James Watson Molecular Biology—DNA
46. Steven Weinberg Theoretical Physics
47. George Whitesides Chemistry—Spectroscopy
48. Edward Wilson Biology—Myrmecology
49. Edward Witten String Theory
50. Shinya Yamanaka Stem Cell Research

All White. at least majority white.

johnw47:
you couldn't comprehend that or anything oh one of no understanding








ha ha confusion in your every post







repeating yourself oh know nothing, see your confusion yet, of course not you have been blinded, laugh

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It's obvious you cannot explain the fraud you claim.

Let me ask you this question without God will Jesus exist?

AnanseK:
Irresponsible and criminal. That is what most of them are.

They will never conform to social and civilized norms of communal living.

We have to call a spade a spade, that is how our Nigerian Jewish brothers behave world wide.

Idiot.

solite3:
If we must take the word ' begotten son' literally then it would mean God gave birth to a son and not God created a son.
But yet same Jehovah witness do not take it literally but figuratively to mean created, isnt that breaking your own rules?

Here is one more example to consider
that many have overlooked. Revelation1:1 states, “The Revelation of Jesus
Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must
shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant
John: ” This revelation was given to Jesus Christ by God. Why would Christ need His Father to reveal these things to
Him if He knew all things? See also Gill's Commentary on John 10:30 in relation
to Mark 13:32.
This also reveals that Jesus cannot be the one true God the Father as the trinity doctrine claims. Was Jesus
Always Immortal?
The Trinity doctrine teaches that Jesus Christ is co-equal with His Father in every way. Thus it is claimed that since
the Father cannot die, then His Son cannot die either. But the Bible says
there is only One person who cannot die and He is God the Father. The Bible says
when Jesus appears that He will show, “who is the blessed and only Potentate,
the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in
unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and
everlasting power. ” 1 Timothy 6:15-16 .
This can only be our Heavenly Father for
He is the One whom “No man hath seen... at any time. ” John 1:18 . The
Father is the one “ who alone has
immortality. ” Yet we know that one day we will “put on immortality.” 1
Corinthians 15:53
So when the Bible says the Father “ alone has immortality” it must mean immortality in an absolute and unlimited
sense. The Bible reveals that the Father
is the only One who cannot die under any circumstances. Jesus was made
subject to death and “ died for our sins. ”
1 Corinthians 15:3 . Man can die, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. ” Ezekiel 18:20 . Angels can die, “everlasting fire,”
is “prepared for the devil and his angels. ” Matthew 25:41 . God said to Satan, “I will
bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to
ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee... and never shalt thou be any more. ” Ezekiel 28:18-19 . So
it is true that the Father is the only person who cannot die under any circumstances, which excludes His Son who tasted death for every man ”
Hebrews 2:9 . So Christ was not
immortal when He was here and the primary reason for Him becoming a human was so that He could die for our
sins. The Son of God suffered a real death for our sins. (Isaiah 53:6 and 1 John 2:2 ).

Explorers:
Earlier,


https://www.nairaland.com/5391943/hurricane-dorian-hit-florida-millions



Extensive damage and destruction in the aftermath of Hurricane Dorian is seen in an area called 'The Mud' at Marsh Harbour in Great Abaco Island, Bahamas on Thursday.

Half of the homes in the Bahamas were destroyed or severely damaged, racking up a total of $7billion in insured and uninsured property losses.




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7432079/Humanitarian-crisis-Bahamas-70-000-need-life-saving-assistance-Hurricane-Dorian.html
Lalasticlala, Mynd44

See all the luxurious boats and Hotels destroyed beyond repair.
Truly all is Vanity upon Vanity.