Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 1:40pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
Maximus69: The Catholic Church have spiritually killed them halfway!
TRINITY never appeared in any part of the scriptures, it's part of the fundamental doctrines of the Catholic included in their dogma, but the churchgoers are so much engulfed in the fallacy that they just feel it should be so, like their Christmas, Easter and New year festivals all initiated by the same Catholic Church.
Yet they will come up to spew nonsense and ingredients against the Catholic Church that has been spoonfeeding all them from with fallacies! My exact thoughts |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 1:30pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
budaatum: They may have been warned but it seems they ignored the warning for there's an awful lot of 'paganism' in Judaism. That does not make it requires right. A water or food that has contaminates in it will still be classed as unsafe, no matter how long they have existed inside the food. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 1:27pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
budaatum: See. Even you know triangles and 'paganism' are in Judaism and just about every single religion.
What's funny, and typical, is you aren't bothering to find out why its so ubiquitous. Were you any good at maths, I wonder. There was no a time triangles played a role in Judaism. Judaism was Corrupted by paganism and God was displeased with the Israelites for allowing that. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:32am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: @ bold if Jesus is equal to the father by his nature then they are coequal. Do you know the meaning of ones nature?
God is not created by nature God is Almighty, omnipotent, omnipresent and infinite by nature If Jesus Jesus and his father are equal by nature. It means Jesus is equally uncreated, Almighty, inifinte,omnipotent, omnipresent just as his father else he would be inferior to the father.
There is absolutely no where in the bible where Jesus is said to be a creation of God but instead without him nothing created can exist. If that is the case then God must have a beginning and must also been begotten? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:31am On Sep 29, 2019*. Modified: 2:03pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
solite3: @ bold if Jesus is equal to the father by his nature then they are coequal. Do you know the meaning of ones nature?
God is not created by nature God is Almighty, omnipotent, omnipresent and infinite by nature If Jesus Jesus and his father are equal by nature. It means Jesus is equally uncreated, Almighty, inifinte,omnipotent, omnipresent just as his father else he would be inferior to the father.
There is absolutely no where in the bible where Jesus is said to be a creation of God but instead without him nothing created can exist. Are you of the same age with your father and grandfather since you people share the same nature? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:30am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: @ bold if Jesus is equal to the father by his nature then they are coequal. Do you know the meaning of ones nature?
God is not created by nature God is Almighty, omnipotent, omnipresent and infinite by nature If Jesus Jesus and his father are equal by nature. It means Jesus is equally uncreated, Almighty, inifinte,omnipotent, omnipresent just as his father else he would be inferior to the father.
There is absolutely no where in the bible where Jesus is said to be a creation of God but instead without him nothing created can exist. Really? But the Bible tells us that Jesus is the son of God and that he has a beginning. Your problem is you are throwing away sense and logic inorder to justify the fraud called trinity doctrine. Do you know that God cannot create himself? Secondly it was God that instutited the father and son relationship there is no way God will be the father of Jesus and Jesus will be equal in age and authority with God. it is contrary to God's established order of beings and things giving birth to their kind. Without God Jesus would not exist but God does not need anyone to exist. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:22am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: your problem us that you dont understand trinity.
Trinity simply states that God is one being but exist as three individuals and that each individual or persons are distinct from each other but are one God. God is a trinity of persons, we humans are not hence we find it dufficult to understand. It is like trying to understand four dimension using three or lower dimension. Your problem is that you are trying to box God into your level. The Trinity doctrine says there are THREE LITERAL GODS that are equal in every way and that all THREE gods have always existed. THREE gods that are co- equal and co-eternal in other words. But now we have a SERIOUS problem because the Bible says there is only ONE God. SATAN via the Catholic Church says NO PROBLEM…I have just the answer to keep all deceived. We will teach that all THREE GODS are really only ONE GOD! 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 ! THREE LITERAL GODS that are not really 3 GODS but 1 GOD. Make sense? No! Why should it? It was made up by Satan via the Catholic Church so Satan could get worship and have Christians deny the Father and Son and not even know it ! Satan HATES the SON OF GOD and wants us to deny Him. Not only that, but we can only be saved by confessing that Jesus is the Son of God. So how does the Trinity doctrine deny the Father and Son and give worship to Satan? If they are 3 gods that have ALWAYS existed, Jesus cannot really be a SON and therefore God cannot really be a FATHER. And so the Bible now has hundreds of lies! More unmistakable Scriptures are denied than any other doctrine EVER ! And yet people just go on blindly believing that it is right. Like lambs to the slaughter as they say. So God is not the Father of Christ and Christ is not the Son of God says the Trinity doctrine! Every Scripture that says Jesus is the Son of God is now a lie. Every Scripture that says God is the Father is now a lie. How many Scriptures suddenly become a lie?....“HUNDREDS!” The Bible says Jesus was God's Son before He came to Earth. The Trinity doctrine says No! The Bible says Jesus is the Son of God. The Trinity doctrine says No! He is just ROLE PLAYING. The Bible says God is the Father of Christ. The Trinity doctrine says No! He is just ROLE PLAYING. Where is there ONE Scripture that even hints they are not really a Father and Son and that they are ROLE PLAYING? IT DOES NOT EXIST ! The Bible says the Holy Spirit is the “Spirit OF God” or the “Spirit OF the Father.” The Trinity doctrine says No! It claims it is something called “god the spirit” which has a different meaning and does NOT exist in Scripture but came from antichrist ! So instead of the Holy Spirit being the SPIRIT OF THE FATHER, it is now some third god called “god the spirit.” And if “god the spirit” is Satan's idea and his creation…what spirit do you have in you? And what spirit do you give your adoration to? And what spirit do you worship or pray to for those who are now doing that also? It will be SATAN ! The third person in the Trinity is actually Satan, not the real Holy Spirit ! Christians need to wake up before it is too late. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 3:22am On Sep 29, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/P._Oxy._LXVI_4499.jpg/220px-P._Oxy._LXVI_4499.jpg Red arrow points to χιϛ (616), "number of the beast" in the fragmented Papyrus 115
Light years ago, when I was researching and trying to get some study on 666, was when I came across the alternate 616 number. The popped up alternate 616 number, then right there, just poured cold water on my 666 researching and spoiled the enthusiasm of further studying 666, that is why I tried bringing it to BlueAgent attention by asking him the question: Are you aware, the fragmented Papyrus 115, states 616, as opposed to 666?. In summary, of the almost 300 Greek manuscripts containing Revelation, almost all of them state 666 as the number of the beast. The two oldest papyri are evenly divided in their reading, and over 80%of uncial manuscripts hold the reading of 666. https://www.endtime.com/blog/666-or-616-the-number-of-the-beast/ |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 3:17am On Sep 29, 2019 |
budaatum: I think the error here is in thinking the adoption of paganism in Christianity is bad. If one thinks so then one must also deplore the adoption of paganism in Judaism, for despite it's one God, it obviously has others (the god of evil being one).
Some would argue that scientific ideas are paganism. Their understanding of the Bible is of a 6000 years old earth while scientific paganism says its much older. I'd rather be a pagan on such issues, with certainty that God will not hold it against me. God will hold it against you. Like I showed you before even the ancient Israelites were warned by God to desist from any pagan custom and rituals. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 3:15am On Sep 29, 2019 |
budaatum: It can be found everywhere because of its significance. The discovery and understanding of equilateral triangles was a great achievement. At the time, it was like looking on the face of the gods. We, today, who understand more and better, are just not so easily awed as they used to be in those days. That's false. The equilateral triangle appears to have been adopted by nearly all the nations of antiquity as a symbol of the Deity, in some of his forms or emanations, and hence, probably, the prevailing influence of this symbol was carried into the Jewish system, where the Yod within the triangle was made to represent the Tetragrammaton, or sacred name of God. The equilateral triangle, says Brother D. W. Nash (Freemasons Magazine iv, page 294), "viewed in the light of the doctrines of those who gave it currency as a divine symbol, represents the Great First Cause, the Creator and Container of all things, as one and indivisible, manifesting Himself in an infinity of forms and attributes in this visible universe." Among the Egyptians, the darkness through which the candidate for initiation was made to pass was symbolized by the trowel, an important Masonic implement, which, in their system of hieroglyphics, has the form of a triangle. The equilateral triangle they considered as the most perfect of figures, and a representative of the great principle of animated existence, each of its sides referring to one of the three departments of creation, the animal, vegetable, and mineral. www.themasonictrowel.com/Articles/degrees/degree_3rd_files/the_equilateral_triangle_gltx.htm |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:09am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: your problem us that you dont understand trinity.
Trinity simply states that God is one being but exist as three individuals and that each individual or persons are distinct from each other but are one God. God is a trinity of persons, we humans are not hence we find it dufficult to understand. It is like trying to understand four dimension using three or lower dimension. Your problem is that you are trying to box God into your level. See logic why are you running from my other thread the mystery of 666, that exposes the origin of 666 and it's connection to the trinity doctrine? https://www.nairaland.com/5424180/mystery-number-666 |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:08am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: Trinity is not God occupying three different offices rather God existing in three distinct consciousness. Personalities does not mean offices but consciousness. That is the meaning of plurality of persons. In Genesis God said let us make man in our image, he wasnt speaking to offices but rather one person of the trinity speaking to the other persons of the trinity. Here is another clue that proves that the trinity doctrine is false. In the book of Daniel 7:9, the prophet Daniel was given a vision of Heaven, in that vision he saw God the Father(Ancient of days) seated on his throne. He also saw Jesus (Son of Man) been brought to the father. and Dominion,glory and a kingdom that consists of the all people ,nation's and languages were given to him and his Dominion was an everlasting one. verse 13. Here are key points to learn. *God the Father ( ancient of days is different from his Son (Son of Man) * Power,glory, Dominion were given to the son,Jesus by the father. Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:07am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: Jesus is God
Jesus is God – What does the Bible say about Jesus’ deity? Does the Bible, which is the earliest and most historically reliable source, actually say Jesus is God? What does it tell us about Jesus and His identity?
Let’s take a brief look at a few of the many passages that clearly and consistently answer that question, straight from the pages of Scripture. We’ll begin by going back an additional 700 years before the life of Christ, to the Old Testament book of Isaiah.
Jesus is God – Prophecies Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1
“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”
This Messiah would be born a human son, but have a higher nature Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet -- especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ.
A couple hundred years later, but still more than half a millennium before Jesus walked the earth, more was predicted about the Messiah’s divine nature Daniel 7:13-14: “There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven . . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”
“Son of Man” was the primary title Jesus used for Himself -- and this passage shows that this was a clear and strong claim of deity. And in Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, He also included the unmistakable phrase, “coming on the clouds of heaven” and applied it to Himself (Mark 14:62). His listeners got the point, refused to believe it, and added it to their reasons to try to kill Him.
Jesus is God – His Earthly Ministry The baby Jesus worshiped by the Magi Matthew 2:11: “On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.”
Along with being led to the site where Jesus was born, these Magi were apparently informed by God about Jesus’ divine identity, and so they responded appropriately by worshiping Him.
Jesus accepted worship from His disciples Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”
In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh.
Jesus’ claim about Himself John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!
Another of Jesus’ claims of deity John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’” What kind of lame logic is this? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 3:06am On Sep 29, 2019*. Modified: 2:09pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
solite3: your problem us that you dont understand trinity.
Trinity simply states that God is one being but exist as three individuals and that each individual or persons are distinct from each other but are one God. God is a trinity of persons, we humans are not hence we find it dufficult to understand. It is like trying to understand four dimension using three or lower dimension. Your problem is that you are trying to box God into your level. And where in the Bible is it stated? If God wanted us to believe he was a trinity he would have alrightly told us rather than tell us he fathered a son, Jesus but he did not becos he is never a trinity. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 2:57am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: Mostly true but there are some Jehovah witness I have meant that showed interest for theological change perhaps because of how I poimted out their error from the bible but unfortunately I didnt spend enough time with him it takes tact, and wisdom in dealing with Jehovah witnesses.
Yes the three persons of the trinity occupy different offices but the three different offices is not what makes God trinity but the different persons of the Godhead. I have head many people say Jesus is the same person as the father and the holy Spirit, no that is not correct rather Jesus is not the father neither is the father the holy Spirit (different persons completely) but they all are one same God. In the case of an office or a position , one person can occupy different offices but he is still the same person. It is not omnipresence, as one person can be everywhere at the same time but he remains same person. All persons of the trinity has been from eternity, their personality do not change or interchange. Jesus remains the eternal son of God from eternity, God the father remains so eternally, the Holy Ghost remains so eternally. The name father, Son and Holy Ghost reflects their order, personality and relationship with themselves, it does not denote superiority or inferiority. That's why it is called a fraud because it does not exist neither does God claim to be a trinity. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 2:55am On Sep 29, 2019 |
Barristter07: @ Solite3
Matthew 5:45 "
so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. "
Isnt it clear who is the source ?
In whose image are people made ? Good point |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 2:54am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: Jesus is the source of God's creation Rev 3vv14. Colossians 1vv16, says he created all things John 1 says without him nothing can be created which was created. This makes Jesus the source of creation and himself uncreated. Being called the sons of God is base on relationship with the father and bearing his image. Animals are not called sons of God although they God's creation but they have not the image of God and do not have such relationship as a son to a father. So being a Son to God is not the same as been created by him. Another fact to prove that God is not a trinity. Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not ONE God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers? You can see the Israelites believed that God is one. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 2:53am On Sep 29, 2019 |
solite3: show me where it was written that all things were created through the father. Below in the book of mark 13:19 Jesus himself reaffirms that his God his father is the creator of all things. Mark 13:19 "For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be". Here we are told that it was God that made all things through Christ Jesus. Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: God the Father is the creator of all things which he did through the agency of his son Jesus Christ. Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he to be inhabited. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 10:16am On Sep 25, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: Thank you for asking me to clarify, well for the mere fact that some pagan tales make it into scripture to be useful for teaching the truth, these pagan tales make it into scripture so with them we're rebuked of our error(s), corrected of our faults and get training showing how to live right and/or instruction for right living. So why I submitted that, in those regards, pagans tales bit can be helpfully good.
blueAgent, is knowing about the Jeremiah 10:2-4 pagan tale you referenced, not helpfully good? Well there are more like that in the Bible that we learn from. But the pagan tales I am referring to are those ones that are not obvious that have been craftly brought into Christaintity, rather than be a source of lesson for Christains it is now a source or reason for idolatry. e g veneration of Mary and the dead. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 10:11am On Sep 25, 2019 |
johnw47: sewer mouth false accuser beelzebubAgent of ™Absolutely No Understanding and habitual liar:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. You keep deviating from the matter at hand. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 10:08am On Sep 25, 2019 |
johnw47: beelzebubAgent
i showed you were wrong on a matter and you replied: Anti-Christ you certainly are a sewer mouth false accuser, and it's good you take it as an insult
you have repeatedly said the pope is my pope and his catholic church is my church you have said I don't believe Jesus is the son of God of course you are a habitual liar like your daddy the devil:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
and you have absolutely no understanding of the bible, or anything said and you reply with great confusion:
1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
in other words your trade mark describes you perfectly:
™sewer mouth false accuser habitual liar beelzebubAgent of ™Absolutely No Understanding at all/™
so true You are not making any sense with this your rant. while not stick to the issue at hand by disproving that the origin of the trinity doctrine is not pagan as I have exposed and that your church is not one of the culprit behind the trinity scam. That will make more sense than you posting Bible verses you can barely comprehend. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 7:29am On Sep 25, 2019 |
solite3: If you cannot believe the scriptures then I cannot help you Which scripture? You deny the word of God that proves that God and his son are 2 different personalities and you are here claiming scripture said. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 7:27am On Sep 25, 2019 |
budaatum: Why is it not good? This is God's instruction to Israelites.
Jeremiah 10:2-4 King James Version (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the
heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven;
for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain: for one
cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of
the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it
with nails and with hammers, that it move not. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 7:23am On Sep 25, 2019 |
johnw47: call it insults if you like, but it's the truth
you know i don't enlighten you who is a sewer mouth and false accuser:
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
and who understands absolutely nothing at all:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
and who lies like hell:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Kettle calling pot black. No one is more blind than, one who believes in the fraud called trinity doctrine. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 7:19am On Sep 25, 2019 |
johnw47: you mean your lying allegations that the pope is my pope and that his catholic church is my church
sewer mouth false accuser beelzebubAgent of ™Absolutely No Understanding and habitual lying:
your lying can only be matched by false jw's and others of satans mob:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. You see what fraud trinity doctrine has caused, you are now denying your Pope and your church. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 7:15am On Sep 25, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff: "The LORD had said to Abram, “Leave your native country, your relatives, and your father’s family (i.e. leave your father's house), and go to the land that I will show you" - Genesis 12:1
"2Then Joshua told everyone to listen to this message from the Lord, the God of Israel: Long ago your ancestors lived on the other side of the Euphrates River, and they worshiped other gods. This continued until the time of your ancestor Terah and his two sons, Abraham and Nahor. 3But I brought Abraham across the Euphrates River and led him through the land of Canaan." - Joshua 24:2-3
budaatum, as can be seen from Genesis 12:1 and Joshua 24:2-3 above, Abram until when he was called out, was born in a house where many other gods were worshipped. The point is, it's Judaism, rather, of which Christianity, is an offshoot/side shoot that first opposed the idea of multiple gods and replaced it with one and had all the god ideas then, resolved into one single book eventually and understood through preexisting pagan lenses.
The pagans tales bit can be helpfully good, but the pagans rituals wouldnt be helpfully good because practically, they are unauthorized "burning incense", they are "strange fire" offering before God, which God has not commanded or asked for. There is or are no peremptory order(s) from God, for observing, carrying out or doing any of those and/or these pagan rituals How are the pagan tales good? can you accept pagan tales without incorporating their rituals? |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 7:12am On Sep 25, 2019 |
solite3: being dependent on the father does not indicate inferiority but loyalty. Jesus became a servant according to phil 2 on his own will. Do you expect a good servant to be on his own will? Jesus and his father are united in one purpose and will. No one said Jesus is inferior by nature to his father. but the fact remains that Jesus been Son of God is not Co-equal to God becos he owes his existence to the father. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 11:14pm On Sep 24, 2019 |
budaatum: I think you mistake 'syncretism', for "origin". Rome had always been a sacred city, with it's emperors even becoming gods. Christianity opposed the idea of multiple gods and replaced it with one. All the god ideas were then resolved into one single book eventually but understood through preexisting pagan lenses.
Its like Nigeria seeing Christianity through pagan ideas and expecting God to rain manna on them instead of getting off their asses and working for it. We are both saying the same thing. Presently Christaintity is about the gospel of Christ mixed with pagans tales and rituals. Which is not good. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 6:54pm On Sep 24, 2019 |
solite3: Yes John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. Jesus is saying to us that he can do nothing without the father and that includes creation. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by blueAgent(op): 6:52pm On Sep 24, 2019 |
Barristter07: A son has a beginning . undisputed Fact.
Now lets go back to the main issue on source : If Jesus is the source of creation, Why Is No one called " Sons of Jesus " . ??
Matthew 5:45 " so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. "
Isnt it clear who is the source ? The trinity doctrine has boxed him into a corner which he cannot escape. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 6:49pm On Sep 24, 2019 |
johnw47: beelzebubAgent, you know i don't enlighten you a sewer mouth false accuser who has absolutely no understanding at all:
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
and who lies like hell:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Shame on you, all you could do is to throw insults rather than refute the allegations made against your church. |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mystery Of The Number 666. by blueAgent(op): 10:52am On Sep 24, 2019 |
budaatum: You will be a god in 3100BC "pagans" world if you had the knowledge depicted in the first picture below. In fact, you'd be a god today if you had the knowledge depicted in that picture as the second picture shows.
Except we are much smarter these days, standing on the gigantic shoulders of the "pagans".
Some connect this symbol with the Eye of Providence, which exists within Christian and deist contexts: the watchful eye of a superior power surveying humanity. This connection is particularly emphasized by conspiracy theorists who believe in an overbearing new world order that inserts its own pagan or Satanic images into otherwise innocuous contexts." You did not refute my points with regards to the significance of equilateral triangles in pagan and occultic teachings. What you did was to show another occult pagan symbol. Like I said before 666 number is genuine and it is represented by equilateral triangles which can be found all around you including the Church especially the Catholic Church. |