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PrecisionFx:
Point out any falsehood in what I said...

Mary never had any sexual intercouse with Jospeh before Jesus was born.

MuttleyLaff:
You are willingly trying not to be clued-up on this matter

"The Rider wore a robe that was covered with blood,
and He was known as "The Word of God.""
- Revelation 19:13

1/ What was Jesus, the son of God, before Jesus, the son of God, appeared on earth as Jesus, the son of God?
2/ Did God incarnate Himself in man, appearing as Jesus, the son of God or He did not?
3/ Who do you think, is the Word, in John 1:1-3?
4/ Furthermore, who is the "The Word of God'' stated in that Revelation 19:13, put up above?

Are you pretending you dont know that Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23 said:
"The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (i.e. which means 'God is with us')."

Look up Isaiah 8:8 and Isaiah 8:10, blueAgent, to see who Immanuel is

Immanuel (i.e. "God is with u'') is simply saying "God living among us"
God, incarnated Himself in man, appearing as Jesus, to physically live amongst us

blueAgent, the child is God,
the angel that brought the message to Mary, told her and us that the child will be called Immanuel (i.e. "God is with us'')
which simply means "God living among us"

The same angel that brought the message to Mary, told her and us,
that the child will be called the Son of God to convey the understanding
that the child is God, appeared on earth without the intervention of a human father.
No earthly father was involved with the birth of Jesus,
and since no human father took part in the conception, then the child who is God, rightly is called, the Son of God

When all's said and done, it is by the power of God.
God did not come to earth from a human impulse or from a husband's desire to have a child
so we have the child, Jesus, called Son of God, on the strength of being born from God.

"In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word, was God."
- John 1:2

"And the Word, was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth."
- John 1:14

This has nothing to do with "simple english"
but has a lot to do with not having the cognizance & realisation
that God can achieve and do absolutely any right thing, without any limit or condition.

You have a dim view of God's omnipotence.
You are making out that, God is not capable of incarnating Himself,
and that God lacks the ability to use Jesus, to represent Himself on earth, in human form

John 1:2 and John 1:14 above are both useful and informative

Total crap.

So whose voice did People hear during Jesus baptism on Earth?

"This is my beloved son in him i am well pleased"

I guess it was your voice.

MuttleyLaff:
You are trying hard hiding from facing and anwering those questions.

Is your word that you've been typing here yafunyafun on this forum, you or not you?
Is your typed word(s) on this page blueAgent or not blueAgent?

My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow.
It will not come back to me without results.
It will accomplish whatever I want and achieve whatever I send it to do."
- Isaiah 55:11

"¹In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
²The same was in the beginning with God.
³All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made."
- John 1:1-3

1/ What was Jesus, before Jesus appeared on earth as Jesus?
2/ Did God incarnate Himself in man, appearing as Jesus or He did not?
3/ Who do you think is the Word in John 1:1-3?

You are trying hard to twist bible verses.
the truth remains that Jesus is the son of God

John 5:19
Verse Concepts
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to
them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

Luke 1:35 — And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the "SON OF GOD"


even the angel that brought the message to Mary told her and us that the child will be called the Son of God not God.

simple english.

PrecisionFx:
Mary is a woman from Israel who was living with a man she wasnt married to, His name is Joseph n he was a carpenter.

She later got pregnant out of wedlock while living in a man's house and gave birth to Jesus.

You are Sick.

MuttleyLaff:
I am grateful the comments you posted above
but please improve on its presentation next time.
I have had to be correcting the positioning and presentation in order to be able to understand what you typed.

You would say that Isaiah 55:11 has nothing, wouldn't you.

1/ blueAgent is your word, you or not?
2/ blueAgent are you and your word, one or not?
3/ blueAgent are you greater than your word or not?
4/ blueAgent can you or can you not, exalt your word above you?
5/ blueAgent can you or not, send your word on an errand to accomplish something for you?
6/ blueAgent does your word, do things by or on its own will?

blueAgent I have more questions for you, but will pause for now for you to respond to the above six

You are looking for excuse where there is none.
I posted a dialogue on the issue Jesus being God or not and the answer is obvious.
Jesus is the son of God and not God himself.

Isaiah55:11 In that verse God was the one speaking not Jesus stop pulling verses out context

MuttleyLaff:
John 14:28
“You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’
If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,
‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.”

The Isaiah 55:11 verse relates to the above John 14:28 verse you used, to prop up your argument that Jesus is not God, the Father.

You dont, at all, understand that John 14:28 verse you quoted
You really should take a look at Isaiah 55:11 to get some understanding of John 14:28.

Is it impossible for God, the Father, to be Jesus?
Hmm blueAgent?

If you can provide where Jesus Himself explicitly said He isnt the Father
then I will donate a substantial sum of money to a charitable organisation of your choice

When I asked that, who else apart from God, has ever known what is in anyone's thought, as in, know what they are thinking
little did I know, the question would overwhelm you, even to the point of rendering you speechless & not have the balls to respond to it

There is nothing in Isaiah55:11 to back your argument

Like i said Jesus is not God the Father i have given you bible verse where Jesus said his Father is greater than him what other prove do you want?

Read on.

John 6:38 . Jesus
said: “I have come down from heaven to do,
not my will, but the will of him that sent
me.” Now, that statement would be a bit
puzzling if Jesus were God.
at Jesus told his disciples as recorded at
Matthew 28:18 . That verse says: “All
authority has been given me in heaven and
on the earth.” So did Jesus say that he always
had all authority?
No, he said that it had been
given to him.
But if Jesus is God, how could he be
given more authority? And who gave it to
him?
‘You are my Son, the beloved; I
have approved you.’”
Did you notice what Jesus was doing
as he was being baptized?
He was praying.
Yes. Of course, we might wonder, ‘If
Jesus is God, to whom was he praying?’
Why “Father” and “Son”?
Here’s something else to consider:
We’ve read that Jesus spoke of God as his
heavenly Father. And when Jesus was
baptized, a voice from heaven referred to
Jesus as His Son. In fact, Jesus specifically
called himself God’s Son. Now, if you wanted
to teach me that two people are equal, what
sort of family relationship might you use to
illustrate the point?
I might use two brothers.
Exactly​—perhaps even identical twins.
But Jesus referred to God as the Father and
to himself as the Son. So, what message do
you suppose Jesus was conveying?
Samantha: I see your point. Jesus is
describing one individual as being older and
as having more authority than the other.
Exactly. Think about this: You came
up with such a fitting illustration of equality,
that of brothers or twins. If Jesus really were
God, don’t you think that Jesus, as the Great
Teacher, would have thought of the same
comparison​—or an even clearer example of
equality?
Of course.
Karen: But, instead, he used the terms
“Father” and “Son” to describe his
relationship with God.
Samantha: You raise an interesting point.
If Jesus truly is God, wouldn’t you
expect that Jesus’ disciples would have
plainly said so?
Samantha: That seems reasonable.
Karen: Yet, nowhere in the Scriptures do we
read of their teaching that. On the contrary,
notice what one of Jesus’ early followers, the
apostle Paul, wrote. At Philippians 2:9 , he
describes what God did after Jesus’ death and
resurrection: “God exalted him [Jesus] to a
superior position and kindly gave him the
name that is above every other name.”
According to this verse, what did God do for
Jesus?
Samantha: It says that God exalted him to a
superior position.
Karen: Yes. But if Jesus were equal to God
before he died and God later exalted him to
a higher position, wouldn’t that put Jesus
above God? How could anyone be superior to
God?
He couldn’t. It’s impossible.
Karen: I agree. Based on all this evidence,
then, would you say that the Bible teaches
that Jesus is God?
No, it doesn’t seem that way.
The Bible says that he is God’s Son.
Karen: That’s right. Let me assure yo

Lucasbalo:
Unlike You who have no stake in America , I am very used to Nigeria especially since my parents retired to Nigeria fourteen years ago. Was in Nigeria for 8 days about couple weeks ago and God willing will spend Xmas with my parents in Nigeria. I have met many young Nigerians in Nigeria that are doing very well and not single one of them is so fetish about America like you and your fellow Klan worshippers. The happenings in America affects my entire family hence my objections to the pig who is destroying a country I dearly loved. To you it's a form of entertainment and that's my grouse with you and you illinformed Americanna wannabe friends.

You are so arrogant, Trump is there becos he was voted by White Americans not you. left for you and your kind America would be a SHITHOLE. its true in Chicago,Detriot,Salem,Baltimore,Alantic City the list is endless.

Lucasbalo:
I grew up in Chicago and where did you grow up to be an expert on America. By the way, tell me the State , County and city you live in US to be spouting the garbage you are spitting out. You are one of the KKK lovers who never see the inside of an aircraft but an expert on anything American. The joke is on you.

I laugh at you. Keep fooling yourself am sure you don't know anything about Illinois and Chicago.

seunmsg:
I am not an atheist.

You sound like one.

LordReed:
His own son admitted they got money from Russian sources.

Thats part of the ploy. Trump is part of the elite he is also controlled by the same people controlling Putin.

Lucasbalo:
No. They didn't get me believing nothing. I have been following the scam artist since I was a little boy growing up in Uptown section of Chicago. It's you guys who know nothing about America leaking the a*s of the Racist pig.

Laugh at you.it is obvious you know nothing of Trump and America.

LordReed:
His own son admitted they got money from Russian sources.

That part of the ploy. Trump is part of the elite he is also controlled by the same people controlling Putin.

Lucasbalo:
Hogwash. How will you know. He declared bankruptcy five times and that's a public record. The American Banks blacklisted him hence he turned to Russian oligarchs and banks to finance his dubious business. Alk American politicians show their tax returns to avoid being compromised. Trump is the only one who never show his taxes and i wonder why. He's a scam but guys like you wouldn't know that because you are utilizing a scam artist. Been paying taxes in US since I was 16 years old in High School and my president can't reveal his taxes. Another thing is that taxes in America reveal your real wealth and many Finacial experts believe he's not as rich as he claim to be. He's a big scam.

They got you believing all the crap about Trump and Russia. Lol...

gtown:
Why will C.... bark while their bigger God couldn't save himself from mere humans. I think those M.... will always bark because they are not cowards who will create fight and then claim its their bigger God battle.
The boy really knewwith then.... nothing would happen.

Are you that Naive?

djon78:
Even in the US gimme. Enter schools, shows, and gun people down. Do you know the number of people killed in inner cities in US. Apart from the killings in middle belt and north, how many killings have you heard in the south, south east and west?

I will keep on saying it. The main problem here is crass ignorance. Politicians understand this and they are using it to their advantage. Everyone is looking for way to leave and go to places where they have already developed their lands. People like Trump are now telling you point blank they don't want you. There has been rapid rise in anti immigration politicians in the west. Because they are getting tired of people coming to their land. They diont want you. Is it not wise you stay in your fathers land get yourself better and make it better.

It is high time people become serious. I remember watching one documentary about Adolf Hitler. For almost 20 years he struggled for power with his ideology in Germany. He failed many times but he didn't give up. He persisted until he finally got power and wreaked havoc on the world. The same way, if you desire for good, it is not given to you on a platter of gold. You have to be persistent. Buhari has been contesting election since 2003. He was losing, but he was persistent. He finally got power in 2015. I remember one quote Dino maleye said although I don't like the Guy but I learnt something from it. Power is not handed to you on a platter of gold, if you want power, you take it.
Nigeria becoming good will come when the right minded people not giving up, persisting to bring smiles and happiness on the face of millions.

Great men in history were men who faced insurmountable difficulties, never threw in the towel and finally got there dreams. They never had anything very easy for them. They faced terrible challenges and they overcame.

50% of those crimes in US are caused by black males.
You can take an African away from Africa but you can take away africa from him.

Nigerians problem is not all about leaders but also about the fellowers who lack vision and foresight

ameri9ja:
Unbelievable! Here we are comparing US with Singapore! Only on NL. What is Singapore?! Just California is 100 times the gdp of Singapore!

There is no "poor" person in US by 9ja standards.
Income of people just on benefits would be considered at least middle class in 9ja.
Poor people have direct access to health care and emergency rooms require no payment or id's to get treated. Those are the facts. Stop comparing things that are not comparable.

Abeg tell the clowns.

ameri9ja:
Etreme poverty as obtainable in 9ja is not possible in US. There are too many benefits and free stuff. Please don't compare US with 9ja.

Don't mind the clowns. Nigeria cannot compare to Cape verde talkless of US.

seunmsg:
And why should the police be the ones responsible for arresting the culprit? What was the holy spirit doing when a 15 year old satanist planned and successfully burned down a 250 year old church? If a 15 year old Christian had burn down an ancient shrine, you would probably be praising the spirit of God in him and shouting hallelujah for bringing down the devil.

Instead of wasting time begging the police to do what the holy spirit couldn't do, you should be more concerned about how a boy satanist could burn down the same church people run to pray, worship and seek God's favour. That the boy was able to carry out the arson successfully shows the emptiness of religions.

Pure Naivety
Sometimes i get am amazed and shocked at Athiests and there poor sense of judgement.

Giovanotto:
Bro, I'm a strong Christian but I must tell you, as far as this earth is concerned, SATAN has won 98%. God controls the heavens. Satan owns the earth.

Lie, God controls but Heaven and Earth. if Satan was in control of 10% of the Earth you not be here writing this stuff.

goldcoinhub:
A self-confessed teenage Satanist burns down a 250-year-old church in Russia in what was described an outright hatred he has for one of Russia's most historic churches.

The wooden Dormition orthodox church on the shore of Lake Onega was erected in 1774 by Catherine the Great - and burned down in a raging inferno last week.

Now a 15 year old schoolboy named as Ignat Sharapov - whose social media is full of satanist signs and images - has admitted he set fire to the structure by using five litres of petrol to ignite its dry timber, police said.

An expert said it will cost £1 million to reconstruct the 138 ft church - as tall as a 12 storey building - at Kondopoga in Karelia republic in northern Russia.

'He classifies himself as a Satanist,' a law enforcement source said.

'Allegedly he just did not like the church.'

A witness said: 'He was a Satanist, dressed in black.

'And when he was detained by police, he laughed.'

Earlier, he ate breakfast and told his relatives he was going to destroy the church which had stood beside Lake Onega for 244 years.

They thought he was joking.

Next he asked his grandmother to wrap up some homemade biscuits for him to give to his friend.

He met his friend, then read something on his tablet computer.

'His expression changed - he got up and said: 'I'm going to burn down the church,' his friend said.

15-year-old Satanist burns down a 250-year-old church

He doused the church in petrol then set fire to it.

'He took with him five litres of gasoline, and walked along the lake ... The dry timber caught like a candle,' the church caretaker said.

Twenty four firefighters with six appliances rushed to the scene of the famous church but were unable to extinguish the flames which destroyed the bell tower in a few minutes and the entire structure in two hours.

https://lailasnews.com/15-year-old-satanist-burns-down-a-250-year-old-church/

Another Idiot on the lose i would not be suprised if he commits sucide .

Lucasbalo:
That's why Tens of millions of Americans are against Trump. The guy is so heavily indebted to Russia and it's so scary. That's why The foool would not release his Tax Papers.

Crap Story, indebted to which Russia?

Auladimeji:
It better to be poor in Nigeria than USA because those American lives on budget, they don't spend anyhow, they are taxed more,that's why relatives living abroad are always reluctant to send money home. I would be in Nigeria than USA if i'm not rich and don't know anybody

Crap.

UbiPetrus:
Kai! I thought I was discussing with a Christian.

End of discussion.

You can show scriptures to disprove my argument.

donpy:
Luke 11: 27-28 A woman raised her voice in the crowd and said "Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breast that nursed you"

Now it was obvious that she just saw him cast out unclean spirit and she was moved that's why instead of believing the power of God she was rather excited about the vessel that bore him. Now watch Jesus response to her was very instructive he said
"Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it".

Even logical reasoning with this statement of his response tells anyone that it's not of her who bore him but of him was, is and became flesh and dwell amongst men.

If you still don't accept that the statement Mary the mother of God is wrong then please do us a favor and explain this.

Let's use your logical reason

Mary is the mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
If Mary is the mother of Jesus then Mary is the mother of God who is Jesus who is also God.

If Mary is the mother of God
An Jesus is God and you say Mary is the mother of God then Mary is also the mother of the Holy Spirit and God the father.

My question?
Is Mary the mother of the Holy Spirit?
Is Mary the mother of God the father?
Do you believe in Trinity? If yes you believe in trinity

Then Is Mary the mother of the Trinity?
Is Mary the mother of God?

Stay blessed

Don't mind the naive & confused people

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Will showing you, where, in the bible, Mary is called mother of Jesus appease you?
2/ Will showing you, with scripture again, that, if same Jesus, is God, then, Mary is mother of God, appease you?

Why are you finding it difficult to answer back to the two above earlier questions
Reply to those two questions and get a reality check

God is the Father while Jesus is his Son,
Jesus is God by nature (as being begotten by God) and is God, in personality too
Evidences are there, in the bible, that Jesus is God in personality too

Jesus and his Father are not equal yet they are the same person.
Jesus always did the will of his Father

PMB and ordinary Buhari, are not equal, yet they are the same person
Buhari always does the will of PMB
PMB can do everything ordinary Buhari can do, but ordinary Buhari cant do everything PMB can do
I hope you get the gist

Do you, at all, really understand this verse you have quoted?
You should take a look at Isaiah 55:11 to get some understanding

Jesus is not the Father stop decieving yourself.
Jesus himself said it.

MuttleyLaff:
The guy tire me sef

It seems he thinks, we don't know that Jesus pre existed Mary.

God didn't have a choice.
That was the only legal means.
Besides He had to respect and abide to the:
"Let man ...."

Here is the evidence that He is God:
Who else apart from God, has ever known what is in anyone's thought, as in, know what they are thinking?

The best place to hid a lie is between two truths. you Catholics are using the argument that Jesus is God to promote your Church Idolatry. the fact remains that Mary was not to be worshipped venerated or exalted to godlike satus either as mother of God or Jesus simple.

UbiPetrus:
To understand the Mother of God, you must first have a firm grip on the Trinity.

Anyone who knows not the Mother of God(Mary) and the role she plays, knows not God. And until he knows God, he cannot know or understand Mary, even if he possesses the grace to perform the most amazing of miracles.
And this, is the problem with my protestant friends.

Trinty doctrine is wrong there is only God and his Son Jesus, the Holy spirit is the spirit of Christ it is in the bible i cannot remember the exact bible verse.

In revelation John was given a vision of the throne of God with Jesus sitting at the right hand of his father there was no Holyspirit or Mary sitting next.

UbiPetrus:
For now, I will leave you with Muttleylaff.
Truth is I'm busy, today celebrating this blessed woman's assumption into heaven and have little time to reply your regurgitated strawman.

I ask God to bless you with His Spirit.
The Blessed Virgin Mary still is the mother of God.

Lol....another Blasphemy Catholics cannot quit been funny. Mary assumption to Heaven which Heaven?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Will showing you, where, in the bible, Mary is called mother of Jesus appease you?
2/ Will showing you, with scripture again, that, if same Jesus, is God, then, Mary is mother of God, appease you?

Why are you finding it difficult to answer back to the two above earlier questions
Reply to those two questions and get a reality check

God is the Father while Jesus is his Son,
Jesus is God by nature (as being begotten by God) and is God, in personality too
Evidences are there, in the bible, that Jesus is God in personality too

Jesus and his Father are not equal yet they are the same person.
Jesus always did the will of his Father

PMB and ordinary Buhari, are not equal, yet they are the same person
Buhari always does the will of PMB
PMB can do everything ordinary Buhari can do, but ordinary Buhari cant do everything PMB can do
I hope you get the gist

Do you, at all, really understand this verse you have quoted?
You should take a look at Isaiah 55:11 to get some understanding

How does this verse relate to your argument?

freeradical:
You are just one broken record. Point out the lie in the post let me give you the scriptural backing on it.

If anyone is out here to decieve it's you cos throughout this discourse you have been totally insincere. In the end your motive will become clear for all to see.

Like i said before show in the bible where Mary is called Mother of God.

freeradical:
What a display of ignorance by the OP and his band of Catholic bashers. I love the church because it is the source and pillar of truth. See how the Catholics have responded with scriptural and traditional (based on the apostles) evidence on this topic rather they have kept lying to themselves that Mary is not the mother of God. Let me lay the facts again for you all so you can read again but no Catholic here can make you understand. Only the holy spirit can....especial those of you who claim to be altar servers and born in catholic home.

1. The term Mother of God "Theotokos" as ascribed to Mary is a title. It doesn't mean she is the Mother of the Godhead which is the Father, son and holy spirit.
2. Jesus Christ from the moment of his incarnation(immediately Mary said those words to Angel Gabriel "I am the handmaid of the Lord let it be unto me according to your word", is both man and God the son. That is why none of you can answer to Ubens question that at what point did the God part join the man part that Mary bore
3. St Elizabeth was the first to use this title to describe Mary when she said mother of my Lord. Note the L in Capital...she was at the time carrying John the Baptist so was filled with the Holy spirit when she made this pronunciation. What is filling you guys to come here and dispute that? Definitely not the same Holy spirit.
4. The early church has been through this debacle. There were those who argue for "Christotokos" which means mother of Christ, and these are the Nestorians. We all know how Nestorianism ended....it is a false teaching that the early church fathers dealt with.
5. This is the way the Trinity works. God the father is God, God the son is God, God the holy spirit is God. They are not three Gods but one God because they coexist in perfect harmony. So if Mary is the Mother of God the Son, how does the title Mother of God not fit since God the son is God.
6. Whatever version of Christianity you practise it is folly to keep bashing the Catholic Church. This is because one way or the other there is an element of Catholicism you practise. It is not called the Mother church for nothing. That bible you r quick to brandish was given to you by the church. The church is guided by the holy spirit and all you lot have is the bible, which is a dangerous tool in the hands of someone who lacks the wisdom to correctly interprete its contents. Those books didnt just band themselves together over the centuries, people actually sat down under the guidance of the Holy spirit to piece those books together. You guys do not even know the validity of the version you are carrying now because the original texts were in different languages and before the reformation they were all in Latin. How sure are you the reformers translated every word accurately as the original Latin text they copied from (I'm not talking of the original texts of the books which would have been in Greek or aramaic). Yet if the church comes up with a doctrine you all are quick to argue brandishing your bibles as only evidence.

Mary is the Mother of God. That you dont like the sound of it means a different spirit from the spirit of God who chose her to birth the Redeemer is driving you. Be wary of whatever anti Catholic write ups you see online and don't jump to start bashing Catholics. Even Christ said it that the enemy will plant weeds amongst the good seeds. Pray for the Holy spirit to guide you to properly discern the truth. You do not have to be Catholic or agree with the pope. Your salvation is in your hands. You are not going to save any Catholic by dispelling lies and blaspheming against the Mother of God....how dare you call Mary a vessel. Even me never call my mama vessel. Is that what we want to reduce our Mothers to now.

Worship the Lord in spirit and truth and stop this hypocrisy!

Keep decieving yourself. can you prove any of your points from the Bible?