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LoJ:
Perhaps my command of English is wanting, but what I mean is that the catholics are more correct on the issue of Mary than other Christian denominations.

Thats totally false, Their view on Mary is totally unscriptural.

LoJ:
With respect to this issue, the catholic have it more right than other denominations within Christianity.

But in actuality, Mary is not the mother of God. She is a representation of the Mother - God in the Christian system.

What rights?

UbiPetrus:
My point only contradicts your understanding of the flow of conversation.

This meaningless.

UbiPetrus:
"And why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1:43.

This, my friend, nullifies your unsolicited for epistle.

Your point contracdicts your argument the bible verse says mother of my Lord even David is called Lord, so the word Lord cannot be translated to mean God.

MuttleyLaff:
There must be a reason(s) for your strong opposition to Mary and obvious dislike of her being called the mother of God.
Is it because to your understanding Jesus isnt God?





Are you sure of the emboldened that the bible never called Mary Jesus' mother?

Exaltation of Mary to "celebrity" status was not invented by the church
Exaltation of Mary to "celebrity" status, is 110% scriptural

In fact, the exaltation of Mary to "celebrity" status isnt a church invention.
The "celebrity" status originated from angel Gabriel's Day 1 visitation.
Not just that, Mary, even, with her song, in Luke 1:48, predicted the "celebrity" status

Concerning the exaltation of Mary to "godlike" status, you will have to go into detail what you mean by this
and thereafter let's see what Ubenedictus and all make of it

And it came to pass, as he spoke these things,
a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said to him,
Blessed is the womb that bore you,
and the breasts which you have sucked.
(i.e. woman, in effect, is saying to Jesus, blessed is your mother)
- Luke 11:27

Jesus would have witnessed this "celebrity" status too, so many times, all over
and that's why, for posterity sake,
one of Jesus' firsthand experiences of the exaltation of Mary to "celebrity & godlike" status is historically recorded, as read in Luke 11:27 above







blueAgent, will:
1/ Showing you, where, in the bible, Mary is called mother of Jesus
2/ and show you, with scripture again, that, if same Jesus, is God, then, Mary is mother of God, appease you?

Jesus is not the Same person as the Father.
God is the Father while Jesus is his son, Jesus is God by nature(as being born by God) and not in personality.
Jesus and his Father are not equal neither are they the same person.
Jesus always did the will of his Father.


John 14:28
“You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going
away and coming back to you.’ If you loved
Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am
going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater
than I.”

bloodofthelamb:
Apostles of Jesus never did devotion to Mary, neither did they encourage the saints in their letters to offer devotion to Mary.

Mary was blessed through the grace of God, no body denies that. Catholics do more than calling her bless. They venerate her. They pray to her to pray for you etc.

I Agree 100%

Ubenedictus:
yes, what Catholics are observing now are the teaching of the apostles and the same practice is found in every ancient Christian church that can trace its linage to the apostles, all the apostolic churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental) all have Marian devotion.


did you manage to read up Luke 1 which tells us that every generation must acclaim the blessedness of Mary, which is exactly what Catholics do.

Big lie , no Apostle ever called Mary mother of God or ever worshiped or pray to Mary.
Luke 1 never said we should worship Mary rather Mary was expressing her Joy for God's favour.
If that verse tells us to pray or worship Mary why are you not praying to Rebecca Isaac 's wife since she was also called mother of nations and kings?

UbiPetrus:
This goes on to show how very little you understand the Gospels, that is, if there is any understanding at all.

Again,
And why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1:43.

The one who was born of the virgin was the only begotten son of the father.
He was true God and true man.
There never was a time he stopped being God. Not even at the moment of the incarnation.

He was called "IMMANUEL" - "GOD WITH US" even before the incarnation.

Same word play.

Acidosis:
God is Trinity, so Mary is the earthly mother of God the Son. Remember that an angel of God appeared to Mary before she conceived, so it is just illogical to assume Mary is the mother of the same God that sent her an angel.

The other components of the Trinity are God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, both of which existed before the creation of man.

That being said, the Bible is so diverse to the extent that any individual or group of individuals can always use the Bible to justify any ideology.

Some believe in the Ministry of Mary
Some in the Ministry of Angels
Some in the Ministry of Jesus Christ
Some in the Ministry of the Holy Spirit
Others believe in some or all the Ministries but for some reasons choose to favour one or some above others; some decided to relegate one or two based on their own understanding of the Bible and, according to them, inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Whatever it is you believe, the truth would soon be unfolded. Fact however remains that we all cannot be right, God is not a man that He should lie or contradict Himself.

True The bible is not for individual interpretation.

Seun:
The veneration of Mary, a woman, is one of the few good things about Roman Catholicism. Please stop trying to take this away from them.

Lol... I see he is bringing politics and feminism into Bible debate

Ubenedictus:
1. scriptures

2 Timothy 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in
righteousness, so that the servant of God may be
thoroughly equipped for every good work.


2. apostolic traditions.


2 thess 2:15


New International Version
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold
fast to the teachings we passed on to you,
whether by word of mouth or by letter.

You contracdict yourself you accept Pauls words and yet reject his teachings.
Paul never preached to people that Mary was mother of God nethier did he pray or worship Mary.

doyinbaby:
I told a friend about some wrong doctrines around Mary.....he got angry......... please how can one get his catholic friends to accept the truth of God's word.....
Why is convincing catholics so difficult ....... this my friend Na charismatic o him sabi bible

Its quite diffcult, but you can try your best and leave the rest for God.
there are lots of articles and sites on Catholic false doctrines you can send to him so he can read and research for himself.

Ubenedictus:
I didn't show you any books written by men, please don't accuse me of what I haven't done.


Jesus is God John 1:1
some one gave birth to him Luke 2

that person gave birth to God.



the fact that you disagree doesn't make is untrue.

Then show me where it is written that Mary is mother of God.

Ubenedictus:
yet thus far you are the person who seems to have leased your mind to anti Catholic bias

I was born into a Catholic family on my paternal side but i broke off from there brainwashing becos i saw the errors and i have the capacity to think for myself not you.

Ubenedictus:
that is pretty simple, we call her mother of Jesus because that is who she is, we also call her mother of our savior because that is who she is, we call her mother of our Lord and God because that is who she is but we actually particularly use the later title because it is an implicit declaration that we believe in the divinity of Jesus, it means clearly that I believe Jesus is God.



Lastly you ask about the relevance, I suggest you Read up on the nestorian heresy AKA Nestorianism, that particular phrase means the church believes in the hypostatic union, the true identity of Jesus.... Those who deny is are the nestorians who divide the nature of Christ.

Same false reference, show me Bible verses not worthless books written by men without evil motives.

Ubenedictus:
yet thus far you are the person who seems to have leased your mind to anti Catholic bias

On what is your Church doctrine based on?

MuttleyLaff:
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None of them on the issue are kids

Are you minding blueAgent splitting hairs
He just wanted to take a jab at Catholics

PS: Ubenedictus, its MuttleyLaff by the way and not Mutteylaff, there are two ls and not one l, in the moniker

The funny thing is all through the Bible Jesus never called Mary Mother rather he used the expression Woman to address Mary .exaltation of Mary to celebrity & godlike status was invented by your Church it is not scriptural.

PrecisionFx:
Seems u don't have the ability to comprehend.

I rather go to hell for my personal wrong idea than going to Hell becos i leased out my brain to some fake popes and fathers to do the thinking for me.

You Catholic members are sheepie.

PrecisionFx:
I don't blaspheme the name of my own God.

You ignorantly did.

Gggg102:
it continues till today.
are you trying to say the early church ended?

Am quoting you.

Ubenedictus:
why not stick to one argument at a time.


I know you don't like the Catholic church and whatever she teaches but don't use your bias to judge every topic.


Jesus is God, whoever gave birth to him gave birth to God in human flesh. she is the mother of God Incarnate.


Mary is a mere creature, created by Jesus yet he chose her to give birth to him.


mary gave birth to her creator, her savior, her lord and her God, yes she did....she is the mother of God.


if you don't like Catholics saying it then maybe you can discuss it with a non Catholic like mutteylaff, but whether you agree or not it is true to deny this is to DENY that Jesus is God.

Why not you and your Church stick to calling Mary mother of Jesus alone, if that is even relevant?

Gggg102:
nobody disagrees that Mary is subject to Christ.

that Mary was silent does not mean that she was inactive.

majority of the apostles were silent after the gospel. did that make them inactive?

have you checked the history of the early church to know they did not practice it?
also the early church did not end in the Bible.

If the early Church did not end in the Bible where did they end?

PrecisionFx:
Cheap scare tactics.

It's a fact you people blasphemy the name of God.

Gggg102:
nobody worships Mary.

Really?

Gggg102:
actually it is with ignorance.

'my people perish because of lack of knowledge'.

and you choose to ignore the truth staring at you in the face. you choose to remain ignorant on purpose.

I laugh at you the Devil will be so happy that he has been able to fool billions of people like you.

Gggg102:
so Jesus was likened to be a son of David?

so he was not actually the son of David, he was just being compared to a son of David?

Where did i say he was likened to be the son of David?
I said Snake in the wilderness.

Numbers 21:9
John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the
wilderness, even so must the Son of man be
lifted up.

Gggg102:
so which gospel should be regarded as fake? the one that came 500 years ago, or the one that has been around for 2000 years?

You should know, the one of 500yrs started by Catholics. the early Christains and apostles never worshipped,prayed or call Mary mother of God.

Gggg102:
the fact that he is seeing and admitting to the truth and at the same time denying it.
is the son of God no longer God?

no Catholic has and will ever say Mary is the mother of pre incarnate God.
so he is fighting a strawman. God existed without a mother but choose to have a mother to accomplish his mission on earth.

he thinks being born by a person = that person created you or you never existed before the person gave birth to you.

The fact is there is no biblical prove to support your argument that Mary should be called mother of God, why not maintain the accepted mother of Jesus.
Your Church is known for Blasphemy go and lookup sites that talks about your Church Satanic and pagan roots.

PrecisionFx:
Joseph impregnated Mary and he gave birth to a male child, Jesus.

Blasphemy.

Gggg102:
it's not word play, it's simple logic.
Jesus is God.
Mary gave birth to Jesus.
Mary therefore gave birth to God.
you are just denying what is in your front.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Gggg102:
it does not need to be shown. it is simple sense.

Jesus is called the son of David.

therefore David is father of Jesus.

Jesus is God.

then David is the father of God.

So since the Bible likened Jesus to the snake in the wildernesss we can therefore call Jesus a Snake? based on your logic. Numbers 21:9

John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the
wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.

Gggg102:
and God choose that sand and dust to give birth to him so that he also would become sand and dust to save the world.

If he didn't, how would God have been made man?

God was called man when he was on earth, and to be a man you have to be born of a woman.

that Mary gave birth to God does not make her superior. she is just a door through which God came into the world. being the mother of God did not make her superior to God.

yes God is uncreated and has existed all eternity but, when he choose to become man, he choose a woman to birth him.

Show me where in the Bible that Mary was called mother of God or she was prayed to and worshiped by the apostles.