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mostob:
All in their prime, start one, bench one and sell one.

Alex Song
Francis Coquelin
Thomas Partey

Start Partey

Bench Alex Song

Sell Coquelin go Asec Mimosa.

Amigoss:


Seyi getting the ticket is where they want to draw the line

Make dem dey whine themselves. Like say dem no dey alive when the wife got Senate ticket 3 consecutive terms in the same Lagos .

The funny thing was that even 2019 when they benched the other two senators representing Lagos in the senate, nobody dared to bench her.

Make dem go buy ruler to draw the line well well

Ballzproblemm:
Lagos people are under the illusion they have a choice dey make me laugh, anything wey make seyi run tomorrow for governorship ,na easy bag.

He say " That's full state Capture"....

Shey na half state capture before when person be former governor, his wife former senator and his daughter current Iyaloja ? Like say if he gives Seyi the ticket the same person will still not campaign for him.

All those talks abought fighting it with everything na just word of mouth wey no come from the heart.

Sportsweb:
remove my name there. Check my history, am anti-jackson. My only problem with you is that you don't give him his flowers whenever he drops masterclass. You still criticize him in matches he scored and assisted.

Flower boy

Airmark no get time, he don quickly add u to the long list of people he will bombing with mention anytime Chelsea does not win or Jackson doesn't score

Spy360:
Don't fall for that trap.

Havertz is like Giroud. He may not give that kind of Lewandoski vibe but he does his job the way the manager instructs. Havertz was our second top scorer last season and is currently our top scorer. So how does it make him the most stupid signing? Emphasis on the bolded

Havertz wasted a whole lot of chances before he scored the paltry amount of goals that made him our second top scorer.

Imagine a player who primarily played as striker for most of the league scoring just 13 goals while Saka who played as a winger scoring 16 league goals.

You are right that Havertz is like Giroud, they are both terrible strikers in Arsenal colors. I'm sure the manager did not instruct him to miss chances like he does because I can see u claiming he does his job the way the manager instructs.

I repeat Havertz is most stupid signing we made , Eddie Nketiah would've scored the same goals he scored and even more without us wasting over 60 million on Havertz.

iamoyindamola:
Tavares can easily do the job calafiori is doing
Check him in Lazio
But arsenal is different we can't afford unfortunate signings
They are much if you add zinchenko, viera, Kai , sambi together
That's almost 160m wasted

Tavares is not suited for EPL , the football in England is too fast paced for him that’s why he seem like he’s an excellent player at Lazio. We’ve tried him in the past and we all see how poor he was; he’s not even as good as Zinchencko that we want to replace .

Some of those players u listed up there , nobody ever thought they will end up being useless when we were signing them. There’s no way any coach can predict if a player will click or not when he reaches ur club . It is only when u start using them that u can then confirm they are not what u were expecting them to be .

Viera for example seem like a decent young player with flair when he was signed . He played well at the under 19 and under 21 European championship where he was named in the team of the tournament . As at the time we were signing him I believe we thought we were adding a gem to our list of talented players like Odegaard . Nobody envisaged that he will be an injury liability who will rarely play .

Point is sometimes the management of the club don’t even know if a player will blow or flop

Roland17:
Baba, if Arteta had used the 91M he spent last summer on Merino and a luxury Calafiori in addressing one of the concerns you raised up there, I would be more accommodating. He completed the madness with Sterling and Neto. Ownership have supported Arteta, we need to be honest about that.

Raya has been playing every game for us this season, it is only a matter of time he goes down, it is the truth. Who do we fall back on? Neto?

He has had how many transfer windows to address these obvious problems? I mean, we have all been talking about a Saka replacement for nearly 4 seasons since he became a superstar for club and country and what has Arteta done?

I agree Merino is a luxury buy but not Calafiori. We needed a decent LB to replace the inconsistent Zinchencko and the want away Tear-knee.

Calafiori is the right player we needed for that role . Maybe if we had let one of Partey or Jorginho leave , the signing of Merino would’ve made sense .

Arteta and the management deserve tongue lashing for not fixing that Saka side of the pitch at least with a worthy deputy .

Aside that , I think the club has been unfortunate signing some players who end up not living up to expectations . On that I believe every club in EPL have had their fair share of such players ; it’s not peculiar to Arsenal alone .

Roland17:
We are not suffering "a" loss, we are suffering losses at critical stages of the season, exiting competitions, dropping important points during the 10 game unbeaten streak you are speaking about. Dropped points that have been consequential in our total point difference against Liverpool. These incidents have occurred around the same time every season under Arteta. We suffer injuries, exit competitions and lose a chance to win the league, right at the same time. So yes, it is always predictable like Deja Vu.

My question to you is simple..

Now in his 6th year and our realities, justify why he should continue as manager of Arsenal. I legitimately want to read and understand that position. What should I expect Arteta will do differently going into next season. I am not saying what everybody else has to do, I mean, what he will do differently.

I expect him and the management to work on signing Saka’s replacement, sign strikers , sign another midfielder . Also the deadwood’s should be cleared off the team .

I was equally disappointed some key signings were not made last transfer window .

iamoyindamola:
Bros unbeaten run with nothing to show in the end is nothing
It's pretty obvious players are the one carrying him na, [/b]saka is injured and the whole team forget how to score
Honestly I haven't seen anything special in this man to earn praises
He's not flexible, his man management is poor, he's arrogant and stubborn, very predictable

Here lies the problem . So when the team is playing really well and they are on unbeaten run it is the players that are carrying him.

But when the team runs into a rough patch it is the coach that is fumbling ?

Maybe he’s a predictable , stubborn and arrogant coach who is incapable of being flexible ; but then it’s the same set of players we said he didn’t sign that he has used to challenge for the league twice o.

Another thing I’ve observed is that almost all the players speak well about Arteta and they talk about how he’s helped improved their games . So maybe he’s not special to we fans , but he seem to be special to the players

Roland17:
Every employer of labor or supervisor goes in everyday planning for the worst. I was clear when I said on the surface of finishing 2nd it looks appealing but when other critical factors are evaluated, you will see the rot beneath. A replacement irrespective of industry doesn't have to be immediate. United fired ETH, they had RVN temporarily support the team while they completed their recruitment. I understand they spoke to a few coaches before Amorim. Ljungberg was hired as interim following the in season firing of Ebening and Arteta was subsequently hired.

You are presenting it like disengaging a coach or a staff during an active season is novel or will be the first time it has ever happened. Edu moved on from Arsenal while the season is ongoing, the club found a temporary replacement and I don't expect them to make a permanent decision about the position until after the season. That is how recruitment works, depending on the dynamics of the situation. Nobody holds on to a coach who has now entered his 6th year coaching a Big club like Arsenal with only 2nd finishes to show for it.

We have exhausted every excuse in the books and keep coming up with more. He is competing against Pep, here comes Slot in his first season. He has an injured roster, well, history during his time supports the argument that his training regime and use of players have always led to players getting grounded during the stage of the season. Who are we going to hire? Liverpool, Chelsea, United, Barcelona, Milan, Inter did not ask those questions before moving on. He is still young, well, he has now entered his 6th year. He has raised us from the dead, that is why we should continue holding on to Arteta, nothing else.

Some are so hesitant to call out his failures in managing transfers, the health and conditioning of our squad every year, our troubling exits from competitions, his bad tactics and substitutions, his inability to adapt, predictable formation/ tactics, getting outcoached constantly, inability to raise our game when it matter or him being a difference when it matters most...and when you hear it from someone who thinks differently, you guys believe it is negative energy or trolling but these are facts some of us are unwilling to admit to.

Arteta was great at specific aspects of the game when he was under Pep. I did not think that translated into being the head coach at the time. If he was going to be a head coach, it should have been with a mid-table team across Europe not a traditional Big club in the EPL. N. Jover is a set-piece specialist for Arsenal, that shouldn't translate into me supporting him to become a head coach, worse still at a Big Club..just because he is great at specific things.

The decision not to fire for the management may be more than just results. If the club is financially stable and getting max capacity during home games, there may be no need to make any changes. Their priority and motivation may not be field result driven and that is what it looks like for us.

I will respond to the bolded . The truth is as much as we may want to claim otherwise , there are actually fans who go above and beyond to troll the club for reasons best known to them .

I know about the inadequacies of Arteta’s game and I actually do not have any problem with fellow fans pointing those issues out when they are evident . However , I find it disturbing that we may go on a 10 game unbeaten run with everybody giving kudos to the players and the coach ; then we suffer a loss and u see our fans start calling for the sack of the same coach that just did an unbeaten run.

Yes Arteta has his faults for not being flexible in some games and we end up losing and easily winnable game . I understand it’s normal for one to be frustrated by such results as a fan , but what I don’t agree with is suddenly calling the coach a mofo, calling him useless and all sorts of derogatory names .

As per ur last paragraph , the koko is the decision to hire and fire lies with the senior management of the club. At the end of the day , they are the ones who decides if Arteta stays or a replacement takes over from him

mostob:
At this stage, little is better than nothing.
It is a short term fix so i wouldn't mind IFF we can't land any of the main targets.

I want us to be intentional and get real long term target . All these short term fix na just waste of time and resources .

Just look at Sterling we loaned as short term fix , we should have signed a reliable deputy Saka and not sterling who is a Chelsea reject

iamoyindamola:
Blueraydick any evidence arteta is in charge of transfer

If u read between the lines , u will see that this post actually suggests that Arteta gave green light for this deal just like he did Rice ; but not all other transfers

So more like u brought an evidence that shows that Arteta is actively involved in some transfers and not involved in others .

I don’t I said he doesnt get involved in transfers , what I said was that at the end of the day the club has the final say . At least if the price is not fair , Arteta cannot use his personal money to sign players .

raumdeuter:
If Tinubu wants Seyi to be governor, No one can stop him. The question is does Tinubu desires to make his son the governor

That’s the question only Tinubu can answer .

Roland17:
I have given you 4 instances (can add more) where that question was irrelevant to the decision of clubs firing or moving on from a manager. Look across Europe and show me one manager that is in his 6th year in a top club with nothing tangible to show apart from coming 2nd? Nobody does that except Arsenal.

In our current job situations, I can assure you that a decision to fire or move on from us won’t be hinged on “who will replace Roland or Blueray”? That is what your HR and recruitment teams are paid for. They are paid to find talent and not accept performances that do not match resources spent or value derived. You have incredible experience and knowledge of the corporate world and should understand better than many.

Football has evolved beyond how you are looking at it. There are only very few traditional house hold coaches like Ancelotti, Conte left. Teams are working through resources to find talent in coaching. A serious club is already working and preparing for worst case scenarios.

I stand by my position that we shouldn’t have offered him an extension last season. He should have played out this season and then we go from there..

Perhaps u are the one making a mistake of looking at football coaching job like a regular white collar /blue collar job in the corporate world .

If a football manager’s performance is clearly abysmal by all standards , nobody will sack such manager without a ready made replacement within their reach in the shortest possible time .

You already agreed that most clubs would not sack a coach who came second consecutively in a competitive league like EPL . Irrespective of whatever amount the coach has spent in the transfer market , once there’s no clause that says he must win the league or get sacked ; he would most likely not get kicked out .

I am not saying Arteta should not be booted out , but I’m very sure the management is having serious headache trying to find that one man that will continue from where he stopped . If not , why haven’t they sacked him?

That’s why I think all the negative energy towards Arteta are not worth it at all. If the management feels he’s failed why are they not sacking him?

larride:
You sabi works of sycophant pass to dey talk like this. I dey tell you say Seyi no go even smell senate ticket you dey talk of Governorship. 😂

Some people also doubted Tinubu will contest for the election when his support group started springing up .

In every rumor there’s always an element of truth sha .

GloriousGbola:
i personally see seyi tinubu as a non-starter

there is this perception that it all starts and ends with tinubu - but in the stories of ambode and obasa there was a consensus that they shoudl be removed

seyi tinubu has no pedigree outside of the fact that he is Tinubus son. he has not even run as senator. i have no idea what all the seyi tinubu movement is about - but i cannot see the guy clinching any nomination

Nobody knew Sanwoolu outside LSDPC until he was nominated to replace Ambode . Me and u know being Lagos governor has nothing to do with pedigree ; once Tinubu is able to sell the his anointed candidate to the party then the person will get the ticket .

I’m not saying with certainty that Seyi will get the ticket o, but I’m saying if Tinubu is disireous of nominating Seyi then he will most likely get the ticket .

larride:
Remi later got Senate as compensation for Tinubu dropping his senate bid in 2007.

Leave Seyi matter. Nothing dey there.

Only time will tell sha . If there’s nothing there , why is Seyi not calling his friends to order ? One of the groups that has endorsed his governorship bid is Friends of Seyi Tinubu which he is the grand patron .

I don’t think all of them will just start shouting his name without him being interested in the post .

TrebleChamp:
Hamzat will not get the ticket, Tinubu will never give that ticket to a core politician. GAC were pushing for Gbajabiamila, and i am sure he is singing his ambition into Tinubu's ears daily, but Tinubu has the final say concerning the Party's Governorship Candidate in Lagos and HMO is the Tinubu anointed candidate. It is even a reason Tinubu moved him to Abuja as his principal secretary. I like Obafemi Hamzat but i prefer HMO as Sanwo-Olu's successor.

I prefer Tokunbo Wahab sha

mostob:
Bro.. I think it is better to strike while the iron is still hot. Transfer decisions shouldn't be for short term only but for long term as well. Arsenal have been chasing Zubimendi for a year now and even discussed his transfers during Merino' s negotiation.

Jorginho and Partey will likely not be with us next season so it is better to make preparations early.

BTW heard the deal for Vlahovic is off but Kolo Muani is being considered. What do you think of Kolo?

I don’t like Kolo Muani at all ; he’s one of those players who is just more brawn and less brain .

We should do well to sign more intelligent players jare .

Roland17:
When Liverpool moved on from Klopp and hired Slot who is now topping the table, in his first season, did they burden themselves with that question?

When Chelsea fired Poch and hired Maresca who is now competing for a top 4 in his first season, were they asking that question? If they did, did it stop them from firing Poch?

When United against my wishes fired ETH and hired Amorim, who knocked us out of the FA Cup with 10 men and now repositioning United, did that question stop them?

When Barcelona fired a title winning coach in Xavi and hired Flick were they held back?

Do you want me to go on?

These clubs did their due deligence. It is the responsibility of the club to find a suitable replacement. You don’t hold on to a coach, now in his 6th year and can’t get you further, just because of that question.. You are pretty much admitting you are content with our situation.

The fact that u can’t come up with a name or two despite being someone who follows football leagues across Europe religiously only suggests one thing ; There’s a dearth of good coaches currently in the market .


That means they will be forced to take anybody out of the many coaches available that may not necessarily better our lot . I believe the management not sacking him for the managers currently available in the market is they doing due diligence.

If the management overlook a possible replacement that we all know of his proven track record , then we can lampoon them for still forcing Arteta on us . From where I stand, that’s not the case.

iamoyindamola:
I actually don't see anything bad supporting the manager
Making him look like he's doing us favour, or he's our Messiah is my issue
So because Alonso go unbeaten and win the league, some set of fans should now immortalize him
The truth is if he leaves today arsenal will get another manager that will do better than him, whatever he's doing is not for free
He's the second highest paid after apari
To whom which much is given, same much is expected

That's where u are getting it wrong. Nobody is saying Arteta is doing us a favor, nobody is immortalizing him ; at least not on this thread that I know of.

The truth is if the management feels he's performing way below their expectations, they would've long sacked him. I understand that we've been in the wilderness for long and that has affected the tolerance level of the fans , but then management of the club that has disbursed funds for him to strengthen the team will not just close eyes , sack him, pay him huge severance package without any assurance that the next manager will take us to win a major trophy almost immediately.

If the management does not see tested and proven managers like Guardiola, Zidane, Ancelotti, etc in the market, I'm afraid they may not be willing to gamble by sacking Arteta not knowing what his replacement will be bringing to the table.

iamoyindamola:
That second is looking like a big deal to you which is why I am complaining
We are too comfortable with mediocrity, the manner we took the second position twice was disappointing, slot is going to win the league on his debut season
This is something arteta bottled on 2 occasions and you claimed we took second like we over took club instead we left the top position to settle for it

The second position is actually not a big deal to me. Remember as at the time we signed Arteta, most big manager didn't want to take the Arsenal job because of the trenches we were coming from.

We've had this discussion before, I'm not averse to Arteta being sacked and replaced with a better manager; but the issue is who is that manager that will replace him?

This has nothing to do with being comfortable with mediocrity. I saw man utd sacking one manager after another in a bid to get things right but things never worked out for them. I'm kinda apprehensive that sacking Arteta and replacing him with a manager that is not better than him may not take us anywhere.

One thing u should understand is that until the club replaces him, some of us have no choice but to support him and cheer our team. We will praise him and the team when they do well and chastise them when they do otherwise.

iamoyindamola:
Even at this he failed in the players he bought in
That Havertz signing is enough to sack everyone involved just the way Pepe signature made some people lose their jobs

The difference is that Pepe signing made us finish way below top 4, while we finished second in the league with Havertz signing.

This is not me supporting Havertz signing (because I actually don't like Havertz as a player), but just stating facts and putting things into context.

I believe Havertz siging is most stupid signing we ever made after Willian's.

Roland17:
Considering the length of his tenure and the credible amount of free rein he has been granted alongside financial support, he has failed in my opinion in managing the club. Any coach who can’t take Arsenal to our current situation with the dynamics I have listed will also be considered a failure.

Which other manager are we supposed to compare him with post Wenger? Ebening? Are we comparing transfer budget? Length of stay? Control of the club? What exactly are we comparing here? Arteta is now the 2nd highest earning manager in the EPL, for achieving what exactly?

Has he brought out the best of the players he signed? The players he did not sign that have become the corner stone of our team were already great. For the sake of clarity, Arteta has had total and full control of our transfers, particularly after his 2nd year. It is the reason he can chase a druggie and match asking prices until Chelsea saved us.

A manager's wages is not necessarily a direct indication of how well the manager is doing as regards managing the team. Most times manager's wages are as a result of negotiations between his agent and the management of the club.

I'm sure he didn't force the club management to hand him a contract that made him the second highest paid manager in the league.

Taking Arsenal from where we were before he joined to where we are now is a feat some other managers have not been able to do with their club. I doubt the club management will sack him because he came second.

In fact, I doubt any club in the premier league will sack their manager because the team came second having spent money on players. You as a fan may call such manager a failure, but the management of the club are will not use emotion to sack a coach that came second in the league, pay him huge severance package and then sign a new manager whom they are not sure will make top 4 the next season.

This is my personal opinion.

larride:
Him sef dey among the line up, depends on the senatorial district that they finally decide to zone it to. Candidates yapa.

Another dark horse is Senator Abiru.

You see now that Abiru has trumped ur initial stance that all past governors have been taken from Lagos state service. If Abiru can be considered, the any other person too can be considered including Seyi.

To be honest I won't rule out Seyi at all. The fact that Remi was a senator , I'm not putting it past Seyi getting governorship ticket

larride:
Check all those that has been Governor after Tinubu, you will notice a pattern. They were all groomed from the Lagos state service taking. Someone already in the system. A confirm technocrat.

Them no go even give Seyi Senate ticket, talkless of Governorship ticket.

But Seyi has been getting different groups to drum support for him. He's been having some of them go on TV stations calling for him to declare his intentions to run. I saw a video one of the guys claiming Seyi is his mentor and wherever he goes they will go with him.

Talking about patterns, I see Seyi following the pattern of his father prior to him declaring to run for presidency, different support groups were already calling him out to contest and all.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The deputy will get the ticket.[/color]

larride:
Currently HMO is the front runner.

Seyi no even dey consideration at all.

Issokay o, different permutation and combinations.

What of Tokunbo Wahab? Is he not eyeing the seat?

larride:
He knew about the impeachment. He was told to travel out to save face.

Good for him then.

I am patiently waiting for how Lagos state governorship will play out o. I will wait for things to unfold before I hold u for neck.

Remember u dismissed the idea of Seyi Tinubu being given the APC governorship ticket in 2027, but the way things are going and different support groups springing up here and there for him; I doubt he's not eyeing the seat like u posited earlier.

Roland17:
Baba let’s not do this because your man has been a disaster at managing funds. Edu did not chase or buy any player that Arteta did not personally anoint. Arteta has the free rein on our transfer and that is part of why Edu is no longer with the club. Every single player we have signed is Arteta’s want, so let’s not even start a new narrative.

As recent as the nearly 90M we wasted on Merino and a luxury Calafiori was all Arteta. Let’s not even talk about Gbavertz who has been Arteta’s personal project, bought to be L8, failed there and can’t lead a line to a tangible competition. Yet he keeps forcing it down our throat because it wants to justify it. We can go on and on but let’s be honest about your man’s failures.

Calling him a failure doesn't change the fact that he has performed better than every other manager bar Wenger before his final days with us.

I already mentioned that I don't know how players are signed at Arsenal and I will claim to know what I don't have an idea of based on rumors/people's personal bias since I don't have any reliable internal source.

Yes, the club signed players that have turned out to be flops , but that is not exclusive to Arteta's tenure.

My point tackling Iamoyindamola's post is that coaches are judged on players performance during their time in charge irrespective of who signed the player. A coach is expected to bring out the best in the players he has at his disposal. When Tuchel won Champions league with Chelsea, how many players did he sign to achieve that? But till tomorrow he will always be adjudged as the coach that won Chelsea their second UCL.

That's the point. I'm not interested in debating whether Areta has failed or otherwise.

iamoyindamola:
Are you for real right now 🤣🤣

Anybody that does transactional sexxx without wearing protection deserves to have pregnancy forced on them!

Na lack of sense and taking unnecessary risk

iamoyindamola:
Hold on first
Was he part of those making decisions on players to sign or not
I mean does he have the right to drop names of players he want or not?

I don't know how player signing at Arsenal is done specifically.

But I do know that for most clubs, the manager will drop multiple names of players he desires the club to sign. The club will then try to sign some of those players based on their availability, the willingness of their current club to sell them at a fair price, the desire of such player to join the team, scout reports, etc.

In instances where the club is unable to get the specific players due to one or two reasons mentioned above, the club management will try and get alternative players which the coach will have no choice but to work with.

iamoyindamola:
And have you seen any video of him accepting the child too, it could be a transactional sex , it could be anything.
Until he agrees, It's not by force

Transactional sexx where they don't wear condom?

Na so!

Whatever it is, once it is unprotected sexx they have then there is a likelihood that a pregnancy materialized from the intercourse. I watched the lady's video account of what happened and she mentioned how she still spoke with him while she was pregnant.

It was only after she delivered the baby and sent him the picture that he said "That thing cannot be my child". Refusing to take responsibility doesn't make the child not his own, it is only a negative DNA test that will make the child not his. We all know he won't submit himself for DNA for fear of what the result will reveal