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GloriousGbola:
You thought we were capping When we talk say some people HATE Tinubu

To be fair , the discussion the other day was about a whole group of people hating Tinubu. The Ballz guy is just one person and I don’t even know if he’s a south-southerner or South-easterner ( cos he stays in the Rivers state and I don’t know which part of the country he’s originally from ).

But the koko be say one person’s comment cannot be used to judge an entire group of people ; especially when u have known southeasterners here who have not expressed “hate” for same Tinubu.

I just found it distasteful that a tragedy was happening in Malawi and he wants same to happen in naija. It’s not even about Tinubu but the potential loss of lives involved .

Ballzproblem2:
https://www.nairaland.com/8120607/plane-carrying-malawi-vp-chilima


I have never heard a successful search and rescue operation for plane that disappeared off radar,it should have been Tinubu ajeh.

Haba!

So People still dey cry about Messi's GOATship in 2024 ? The debate already ended in 2022 na.

No amount of backdated wailing will undo what has already been done.

Jodera:
A clinical Pre-Wc Jesus is what this team needs. There's a big reason we moved from top 4 contender to title contender sharply because of his style of play (I'm not neglecting other players impact tho). But that Pre-Wc Jesus is the epitome of dream striker I've always got in mind when envisioning the kind of striker I want

Good buildup and linkup play outside or inside the box and still be in the box to score or poach goals when the need arises

I always see humor Dave's post each time he suggests we sign an "out and out striker" as opposed to players in the mould of Gabriel Jesus, Nketiah, etc who do link-up play and also function actively in the build-up play.

Agreed Gabriel Jesus has not been at his best in terms of finishing and we may be left with no choice than to sign another striker. But one thing is sacrosanct; whoever we will sign will either be in that Mould or Arteta may be forced to change formation to accommodate the kinda strikers Dave likes.

It is obvious strikers like Gabriel Jesus are critical to Arteta's style of play. Like u rightly opined, there's a resason we now ship bag of goals past our opponents in the last two seasons.

daveP:
Besides, Laca had Iwobi, Ozil and Ceballos. Iwobi Vision that year was something else ( like asif he was under studying ozil). Plus Laca barely got yellow cards despite how he looked vs defenders. His outside shots are seriously missed.


As for Haaland, he's lucky Arteta is no longer at City. MA for don impress Apari to rest the guy as he's not producing what he ought to. Pep doesn't look so pissed at his game. Haaland is lucky. So, we can still get a Haaland that's hardworking too, but primary duty more the need. We'll fly.

Odegaard and co need a striker that will add to their current hype.

Iwobi was not all that.

daveP:
Can we agree that Arteta thought that Nketiah and Jesus will fill up the Lacazette spot, but they really couldn't. I mean primary striker role. So far, the Creator and Finisher combined role doesn't seem to be flourishing with major factors being injury and playing time,plus coach preference. Best season of Laca na 21GA. Same for Jesus(but at man City)

This is not a Laca preference post. Just looking between the lines. Gabriel dived. 26GA in 53games.

Anytime I read ur posts about this striker issues ehn, I always smile.

For ur sake, I just hope whomever we sign as striker actually ends up scoring gazillion of goals. U seem so fixated having strikers score tons of goals instead of having a multi-goalscoring team.

Me I prefer Nketiah and Jesus contributing their quota while the while everybody play their part to ship multiple goals past opposing teams.

Amigoss:
Under this admin or Buhari ?

VAT was increased to 7.5% in 2020

Amigoss:
Vat don enter 7.5%?

Na Mozambique u dey all these while ni ?

Edo State Governor, Godwin Obaseki, has insisted that the ban on Okaighele (community youth leaders) activities in seven local governments in Edo South Senatorial district is still in force.

Recall that the Oba of Benin Palace had on June 7, 2024, kicked against the action of the Edo State Government.

While addressing the Okaigheles who protested to Palace, Chief Osaro Idah, the Obazelu of Benin, who spoke on behalf of the monarch, had said Okaighele is not something that can be banned by fiat as they belong to the Benin ancestors.

According to the Palace, Okaighele represents a segment of the aged-long Benin traditional administrative structure.


“Okaighele didn’t start in this Century. As you have age grades, and senior sons, so we have them. When Odionwere (village head) is appointed by the Oba, Okaighele assist the Odionwere in the daily administration of the domain on daily basis.”

But reacting to the Palace’s comments, the Edo government said Okaighele and cultists pose the most severe threat to the security and stability of the state.

The Commissioner for Orientation and Communication, Chris Nehikhare, who spoke on behalf of the government said Okaighele’s was made in the interest of public safety.

He described the development as a move to curb the alarming rise in cult-related activities.

“The Edo State Security Council data has shown that these two groups (Okaigheles and cultists) pose the most severe threat to the security and stability of the State, resulting in the decision of the Council to place a total ban on the criminal groups”.

“While we respect the tradition and customs of our communities, it is important to note that the safety and security of our citizens must always come first”.

“Chief Osaro Idah, Obazalu of Benin’s contradictory statement does not change the gravity of the situation at hand, and we stand by our decision to enforce this ban on Okaigheles to protect the lives of our people.”

He warned that government would not allow any individual or organization no matter now highly placed to undermine the efforts of the State Security Council to protect the lives and property.

“We reiterate that the activities of cultists, Okaigheles and their sponsors remain banned in the State and we will spare no effort to ensure that those who flout the ban are made to face the full weight of the Law,” he said

I saw this thread on the politics section about Oba of Benin/ Benin Traditional Council Vs Obaseki. I don't know much about Edo politics, but if the state government claims it has intelligence report that suggests those Okaigheles post same security threat as cultists, why is the Oba kicking? Should the Oba not be concerned about the safety of lives and properties of his subjects?

Of recent I've been seeing videos cultism related killings in Edo state almost on a daily basis. If the government thinks going tough on the cultists and placing a ban on the Okaigheles will bring sanity back to the state, is it not better the Oba supports the government ?

https://www.nairaland.com/8119556/obaseki-dares-benin-palace-insists

CrystalTiger:
😂😂😂😂😂

He should go and fly Nigeria Air he was busy running PR for despite obvious indications it was a fraudulent enterprise orchestrated by his “brother “

Someone foolishly posted “ Nigeria really has some of the most wicked humans on the planet, and coincidentally, these are often the most religious people. So much religion, and yet, so little humanity “. Isn’t it obvious u have issues with ur own kind ? They call u out now u come Dey fold 😂

If u hate ur fellow Nigerians and hate being a Nigerian, just say it with ur full chest and stop Nigerianizing something like bullying that happens in every country where they have access to unregulated social media . Simple !

Which one is “Nigerian cyberbullies”
again ?

Cyber bullies are cyber bullies and they exist in every country not just Nigeria . Cyber bullies are who they are , they bully people online and they abound in every country .

We’ve seen English footballers like Saka and co bullied online simply because they missed penalty which was a 50/50 chance in football. Is it “Nigerian cyber bullies “ that bullied him when that happened ?

I dont pride myself to be one of the most patriotic Nigerians out there , but Nigerianizing a general global problem makes no sense to me.

E clear , Clearn’t it ?

A40:
They will chop minimum of manslaughter which is like 6 years.

Thinking they can reply slap with gun and not go to jail is naive.

I hope this is not how they view these things in real life sha .

The bold is also my concern. I hope they are only arguing for argument sake on Nairaland and not actually thinking a lawyer has magical powers to sweet talk a judge into agreeing that shooting ,knifing or planking someone who fought u with bare hands is self defense .

Tochex101:
The trick is increasing the margin on less popular items.....
Such won't be done on everyday consumables such as soap, stationery etc.

When you need something like say Jack spanner, you'll get hit.

Then u people should buy in other stores if they do that in the ones u frequent . I have bought TV, microwave and home theatre system at a cheaper rate in stores before . Their prices were cheaper than what was sold outside ; that was my own experience .

iamoyindamola:
That's what we have been saying na
If you can't stand up against your opponent and you apply weapon leading to severe consequence
It's all self defense

That’s not what u’ve been saying . U were saying if someone exchanged blows with u, then u can plank his head or stab him to death and claim it was self defence . No judge will free u on self defense plea for that in this naija .

iamoyindamola:
So David would have gone to jail for stoning Goliath let's say it was a fist battle

In the case of GEORGE v. STATE(1993) LPELR-1320(SC), the Supreme Court held that:

"Proportionality can be determined by the nature of the weapon used in retaliation, and the obvious disparity in the relative physical strength of the parties."

If Goliath had slapped David and David retaliated with a stone; he will be justified that the stone was self defense.

Read the bolded part of the above quote, it mentioned proportionality as regards the weapons used and obvious disparity in the relative physical strength of the parties . Goliath obviously has superior physical strength than David and and such David is justified to use stone to retaliate .

iamoyindamola:
It's because it's Nigeria
If someone have the intention of inflicting injury on you, you are within your right to defend yourself in anyway you deem
You just need one or two witnesses
Something like this was on FP, where a man killed his friend after his friend first cut his 2 fingers with cutlass
He was arrested and later released and charged to court
I don't think someone like that should be in prison because I didn't know the outcome of the court hearing

The bold is what I’ve been talking about. The force the man applied in retaliation is proportionate to what his deceased friend used in attacking him.

Go and read the two cases I posted up there again.

If someone go as far as applied a machete on u infliction serious injury , u are within the ambit of the law to use equal force to defend urself. If he dies in the process u can plead self defence and it will work out fine .

But and someone engaging in a fist fight and u break his head with plank or stabbed him to death ? U will go to jail( No way out ).

The notion that u can use any means to defend urself without limits is wrong . Anybody that has that mindset will regret finding out the hard way when matter sup later .

larride:
I'm not talking about slap now. Slap no be fight now. You argue self defense in a fight.

If person slap you, you slap your own back.

Whatever the form of fight u have that leads to the death of the other party , before ur plea of self defence can be admissible they will measure the proportion of the retaliation to the initial attack on u by the deceased .

If u are not a law enforcement that is actually empowered by the law to apply force when a suspect is resisting arrest ; it will be a Herculean task for u to successfully prove ur use of superior force on the deceased is justified .

That line of reasoning of “using any means to defend urself in a fight “ has sent a lot of people to jail. A lot of people are in jail because they planked or knifed an assailant that exchanged blows with them .

This is not an academic exercise , it is the reality in naija o

iamoyindamola:
Lol
Naija law is for those with levels
But truly in the case of self defense if you see you are at great disadvantage it will be fair on the law for you to take desperate measure to defend yourself

I hear u.

U people are making these arguments against pronouncement of the highest court of the land

Issokay o

larride:
All these is left for lawyers to argue now. Person wey carry 2 by 2 pako to hit you, if you shot him balls, na still self defense even though the force of the gun is greater than the stick.

There’s nothing for the lawyer to argue . How will the lawyer justify slap is proportionate to a bullet to the head ?

izzou:


[color=royalblue]Raumdeuter left the Group [/color]

Raumdeuter lives in the US , their laws obviously differed from ours . Na why people wey Dey live for naija no supposed follow his school of thought otherwise, ewon na prison

iamoyindamola:
Thank you

Don't thank him o. According to judicial precedent, if u follow his advice na Sanko straight o

larride:
Law of self defense doesn't work that way sometimes o. You protect yourself with whatever you can lay your hands on.

It only becomes premeditated manslaughter if you continue after the first hit/shot has already separated both of you.

Read the below carefully and focus on the bold.

In the case of MOHAMMED V. STATE (2020) LPELR-50919(CA), the Court of Appeal stated as follows:

"The defence of self defence is clearly a child of necessity. It is a defence that is not pleaded as a matter of course, but one in which the defendant is expected to establish that he was at the time of the killing in reasonable apprehension of death to himself or grievous harm and that it was necessary at the time to use the force which resulted in the death of the deceased in order to preserve his life. As an important aspect of the force used by the defendant must be shown to be proportionate to the force used or imminently threatened against him and reasonable in the circumstances in which it was used. The defense of self-defense, of course is not available where the person attacked used a greater degree of force than was necessary in repelling the attack."

In the case of GEORGE v. STATE(1993) LPELR-1320(SC), the Supreme Court held that:

"Proportionality can be determined by the nature of the weapon used in retaliation, and the obvious disparity in the relative physical strength of the parties."

Before u can successfully plead self defence in a manslaughter case in Nigeria, this 3 elements must be satisfied:

1. There must be reasonable apprehension of death or grievous harm;
2. It was necessary to use force at that time;
3. The force used by Defendant must be proportionate to the force used or imminently threatened against him and reasonable in the circumstance.

No go shoot person wey wan slap u or wey slap u o.

iamoyindamola:
That's why it's self defence na
For me to avoid the situation of loss of hearing pr coma I defended myself with what I have
Unless naija law is not fair on self defense their is nothing wrong in defending yourself with whatever you see

The law is fair. The law expects u to retaliate with a force that is proportionate to the force that was used to attack u. U can't use whatever u see to defend urself.

What is not fair is u shooting a man who slapped u. The law is a reflection of the Yoruba saying " Kilagbe, Kileju"

iamoyindamola:
I disagree
You can slap me and the slap is fatal
I can lose my hearing or enter coma on process

Lolz.

See u see prison. Somebody slapped u then u shot him with a gun because u believe his slap could've led to loss of ur hearing/landed u in a coma. But did u lose ur hearing or enter coma? No, because if u did u won't have shot him in retaliation.

This ur disagreement is the reason why prisons are full because people dey assume wetin no dey inside law.

liveLongNprospa:
Am I the only one seeing this shit?
For real? 🤣

raumdeuter:
Private citizens own guns in Nigeria, There is a rich man where we dey go pluck mangoes when we small and we heard he has a gun. I just think the condition for gun ownership is very stringent and involves a lot of man know man

Even if u own gun as a private citizen, u will still need to prove u shot on self defence basis. And to prove u shot for self defense, u will need to prove the other party was capable of harming u and even about to harm u before u shot.

If ur fellow man punch u and out of anger u shot him back na jail straight. The law will not permit u to be shooting everybody that throws a blow at u.

GloriousGbola:
you are talking to a texan

If the only tool you have is a GUN, everything looks like a Target.

2A for life!!! from my cold dead hands!! the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvN2XpupeeE

raumdeuter be like

NEVER HESITATE TO PUT A NIGGA ON HIS BACKK!!!!

if that guy wey dey dodge paying on his bet dey for texas you can be assured raumdeuter would have bust a cap in his arse! [pun unintended! ]

Maybe na population control dem dey use the gun do sha

afrodoc2:
Unfortunately, your opinion even though is the logical one, does not stand in many US states.

If you punch someone and he shoots you, he might get away with it.

The main challenge this guy’s lawyer would have is explaining why he emptied the clip, not why he shot. A few less bullets and a good lawyer would get him off without any punishment, in some US states.

I honestly do not have knowledge of the US legal system, my response to him was from the Nigerian legal system point of view.

Omo that their US na another continent on its own sha

raumdeuter:
So if its an area boy who cornered and started punching you, and its clear you can't overpower or stop him, with hands on a gun, what will you do?

Area boys are criminals ; but then again how did u come about a gun as a private citizen ?. Unlawful possession of fire arm is still a crime in naija .

U Dey use crime fight crime ? 😂

raumdeuter:
I am not sure this is right, So I can only shoot people who bring a gun and anything less than a gun should not be shot?
So if Mike Tyson is punching me and my hand touches a gun, It will be manslaughter?

Mike Tyson punching u is different na. Mike Tyson is a trained boxer whose blow is actually capable of sending u to hospital bed.

What I’m telling u is; the law will require u to prove that ur life was in serious danger before u resorted to using maximum force to defend urself .

A man of almost same size as u cannot slap u only for u to shoot him in response . U will be jailed .

Even normal assault and battery sef , when u are using self defence as reason for assaulting another person u must make sure the forces applied is proportionate to what the other person was capable of doing to u.