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iamoyindamola:
For a family of how many again

At least a family of four(father, mother and 2 kids)

iamoyindamola:
That's why i didn't have issues with the black tax because that's purely confidential
IMO 15k is way too small, dstv is never a value for money

That's why I was asking for other luxurious items on the list cos if we knock off the N14k for DSTV we all agreed as luxury, we can always add it to the N15k black tax to make N30k (if we add extra 1k to it).

So to a large extent his list is still reasonable.

Theflint1:
37,500 per month.

Tey keep saying the things there are luxury and I'm struggling to see how it's luxury. Jodera say instead of DSTV/GoTV, make d papa dey download film instead...no be money for data be that, or maybe na those 360p videos wey na only phone you fit see wetin dey go on...or maybe office data. There's ways around some of these things sha, or maybe the kids just don't watch TV, and you go for fairly used books and old newspapers as form of entertainment...maybe.

Nobody has really been able to prove anything on the list is luxury aside DSTV. Even the DSTV, if u are a football lover u may end up spending so much data in a month on streaming matches & downloading videos than u will actually spend if u sub DSTV

Jodera:
If you're giving Kids base foods to take to school, why still giving them snacks??
I still feel it's a luxury for the kids to be honest.
I see some kids bring that to school (food plus snacks) and one thing I know is common while growing up, they were very Rich family kids


Family Data? What does that mean.?

If it's mobile internet family subscription. That's the first time I'm hearing it too.

If a child is old enough to have a phone, then he's old enough to save at least to sub for his own data.

All these things to me a expenses for Rich families that are really luxury. Necessities aren't all these things na.

Only rich kids take snacks to school ? I don't agree o; even kids who attend public schools still take bobo juice and biscuit to school along with their lunch. If u don't a child snack do u want him to beg from his mates?

mobile internet means the normal data u subscribe to like Smile, Ntel, swift and the likes which u make use of anytime u are at home. U use for ur Smart TV, office work u brought home or personal surfing of the internet. Except u are saying u don't owe urself internet connectivity while in ur own home.

Please point out more luxuries in the list

iamoyindamola:
In the list it wasn't stated that way
That's why i didn't talk about rent
All in all spending 600k is based on choice not necessity because if you don't have the 600k you will still survive and everyone will adapt

What he did in the list is make provisions towards each expenses on a monthly basis irrespective of whether u pay it monthly, quarterly or annually.

I noticed u have issues about the DSTV , but u didn't say anything about the black tax. Do u think it's fair to send just N15k to one's parent out of N600k ?

iamoyindamola:
Yes i checked them
But some of these things are not monthly but quarterly
If you buy cloths this month will you buy next month?
if you get bag of rice this monthly will it finish next month?
Same with school fees

If u are a man who goes to work, u are expected to buy at least one shirt a month. Buying 12 shirts in 12 calender months is not in any way a luxury.

The school fees u pay every 3 to 4 months (a term is 3 months) so if ur child attends a school where they pay 150k per term, u definitely need to budget 50k per month.

For the bag of rice, nobody expects u to buy bags of rice monthy cos it's not just rice u will be eating; u will need to buy yam, beans, spaghetti, Noodles, Palm oil, groundnut oil, meat, fish, etc. U will also need to buy toiletries, gas and other sundry items

Jodera:
I still feel some are not necessary (personally my opinion). There are some luxuries some people might see as necessity.

What is one doing with DStv compact if it'll have strain on your budget for example?

That's luxury if you ask me

Yeah, I agree DSTV is luxury.

What other luxuries do u think are on the list for someone who lives in an expensive major city?

iamoyindamola:
Which one is black tax

The money u give to ur father, mother, brother,sister, uncle, aunty or anybody that u are responsible for their upkeep by virtue of being an Africa raised child

iamoyindamola:
Unless you womanise and drink
Why 600 no go reach still trying to understand what we are buying sha
The only time i exceeded such figures was when i was still buying cds for ps4

Just go through that that list in few pages back and see if most of the things stated there are not necessary or not. It's not just about looking at the money as a whole sum. Look at the breakdown.

iamoyindamola:
Humbly listening to rich men here that 600k no fit reach for a month

Omo too many odogwu for here
i hail oo

Apart from prospa, I don't think anybody else said 600k no fit reach for a month.

What most people are saying is that with prices of things going up, such individual will begin to struggle to adjust

If there's no law to checkmate conflict of interest in Nigeria's judiciary, I'm afraid our justice system will continue to suffer.

Almost all the judges at the supreme court and appeal court level have one or more relatives at the lower courts whom they either influence their promotion or need the help of the executives(governors) to appoint. This puts places them in very compromising position and always affects their judgement.

Just look at the CJN, look the Odilis, look at this Dongbam-Mensem and others like them.

Emaprince:
If they person is living in surulere, yaba,ekki etc, he has to relocate his familly to ikorodu to be able to pay that 65k rent. In surulere, you'll be talking about over 100k per month for a 2bed flat. Lol. Or he will move from 2bed to a miniflat. And this proves Izzous point of cutting your coat...and equally proves prospers point of stepping down because the money isn't enough to afford the things you use to have before.

With the price of clothes today, one polo or Jean don collect that 20k o. Lmao.

Infact with the prices you listed, e go tough to afford them at those prices, judging by what's obtainable in the market.

Na katangua "bend-down-select" the family go dey wear be that o. Because for real it will be difficult for a man with two kids and wife to spend 20k on clothing.

I think if the man earns 600k and the wife brings home an income of at least 250k to 300k the family will live comfortably well.

GloriousGbola:
700 - 800kk would get you half a semi detached flat in 2013. I don't know what 700k will get you in 2024

That amount will get u decent 2 bedroom flat with nice finishing in places like Ikorodu , Egbeda , Ayobo , Abule Egba , etc.

But then , that motor wey Izzou say the man no need , he go definitely need am to be commuting . And na fuel e go dey chop sef so Theflint1 go still need increase the fuel budget

Itsrm:
Exactly the point

Prospa seems to be looking at it from the viewpoint of the bolded and he's right.

It's not just the only viewpoint.

Na why I talk say the two of them na “I no go gree experts” .

Amigoss:
Perhaps the calculation no be be for first borns because your siblings, go bill you too then maybe inlaws....

Even if u say ur siblings’ responsibilities are not urs ; u go sha give ur parents money for their upkeep . If either of the parents have an underlining condition like high blood sugar or high blood pressure , dem go need to dey buy drugs to manage it o.

Most of the items on Theflint1 list are actually very reasonable and modest , but that black tax wey he put 15k no be for a typical African who is expected to take care of his elderly parents

Itsrm:
600k might not be enough to sustain the lifestyle of someone who was earning it before, but it's okay to sustain the life style of someone earning 50k before which is where Izzous point comes in. You see it's not absolute.

Look at the breakdown Theflint1 just posted. It's truly not a lot or money in today's Nigeria but its just enough to bet by.

This is a fair view of the matter . For someone who has been earning 600k before subsidy was removed and dollar floated , he will struggle to adjust to the new reality.

However for someone that has never earned close to that region of income before , if he starts earning 600k today he will be more than happy to even add more expenses instead of cutting down on his expenses .

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao.. The fuel for family car, I'm guessing it's a jeep but let's assume it's a car that 30k can fill the tank so a small economy vehicle. Likely a kia😁

How many times in a month are they filling the tank? 😁? Let's start from there.

And also where the car travels to. If papa dey work for V.I or Lekki and he drives the vehicle to work daily, there's no way N60k will be enough to fuel it for the whole month

That Black tax of N15k must be for someone who is an orphan with no surviving hanger-ons from his family. Because person wey get papa and mama wey send am go school no go dey send them N15k out of N600k salary o. Except he no get conscience.

afrodoc2:
How I wish the Super Eagles can embrace this no gree for anybody mantra until the very end.

I wish so too o, especially now that we will be playing against 13 men(inclusive of the fans and the match officals)

Itsrm:

The two of them wan use semantics wounjure each other.

Funny enough they are both right; it's just that each person is attacking the other party's point from an extreme point of view.

CEO of "I no go gree" records jam Chairman of "We die dia" group of companies

iamoyindamola:
Imagine supporting arsenal in wengay days and nigeria
WHat doesn't kill you makes you stronger

On a serious note: if person heart no fit take the tension on football take a break
If old men like fegruson, roy hugson and several oldies survive football pressure why person they die

Aswear. If football is not for u, just let it go. Why person go give himself heart attack over footballers who are making their millions?

afrodoc2:
I have kukuma made suggestion on how to solve the corruption and theft.

We need a magnified Rawlings approach.

I doubt the Rawlings kinda approach will even be successful in a country like Nigeria bedeviled by tribalism and ethnicity. It didn't work in 1966 when Nigerians are not as divided as they are today and I doubt it will work now.

The same Nigerians who vote for politicians based on primordial sentiments like tribalism will find a way to sabotage the process of cleansing the system cos one or two of their benefactors are amongst those earmarked for elimination.

Ballzproblem2:
https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2024/2/super-eagles-players-observe-minute-silence-for-the-four-nigerians-who-passed-on-during-their-match-against-south-africa-2.html

make una no dey kill unaself because of match smh, anyways they should try abd honour them by winning afcon

I don't know why people take football to serious like that at the detriment of their health. As much as I love football, I don't allow it get to me to the extent of affecting my general well being & health.

The last time I ever had any medical health related issue due to a football match was 2006 Champions league final between Arsenal & Barca. I had serious headache after Arsenal lost the match and e be like say my head wan burst from the shouting and tension that happened through the 90 mins.

As I grew older I decided such energy should not be expended on a football match I have no control over the eventual outcome. Except those men who died as a result of Naija Vs Super Eagles are heavy gamblers, I don't see reason why they should subject themselves to that much tension.

afrodoc2:
We argued this thing for weeks then. At a time i could not understand people's line of thinking. Nigerians living in Nigeria were supporting immediate removal of subsidy BEFORE any palliative measures were in place. I just had to raise my hands like Mr Ibu.

I don't even know if na jazz or it's just blind loyalty on the part of people like that.

Emaprince:
Na still APC supporters that were queueing up to voice their support of the removal because, shame won't let them criticise the man whose brain we need, and never the body. The worst of them are those who lives here with us and are experiencing and witnessing the sufferings of the masses first hand. Never mind the abroadians detached from the actual realities over here.

Things are very tough now...but we still dey hustle dey survive. But there are people that this tinubus govt have really reduced to nothing. Smh. And it will shock you to know that majority of these victims are his supporters, but shame no go let them admit. To them : as long as it's not peter Obi, let the suffering continue.

Now APC next move is yo regulate social media. You see what their priorities are? Dumb criminals who only came to rub and cripple the economy kpatakpata

What I've noticed is that it is only online everybody forms macho as if the nationwide hardship does not affect them one way or another irrespective of what side of the divide u are. Offline everybody dey feel am.

Even me wey dey hyperventilate after the election saying I won't offer any assistance to anybody who knowingly voted APC continuity because of primordial instincts like tribal & religious reasons; I don renege because there's a limit to how u can turn away ur eyes from ur age long acquaintances enduring serious hardship under this Tinubu government that doesn't know its right from left.

When someone said people with N600k salary now struggle, yahoo boys and people wey their mama & papa still dey feed think say na cap. By the time u buy fuel, buy foodstuff for ur immediate family, do transfer to people in the family u come from, pay NEPA bill, make contributions towards ur rent, fuel ur generator, pay dry cleaner, etc...then u will know how much remain wey u wan appropriate further.

Sometimes u go just sit down and wonder how people who are cleaners, security guards, drivers, etc survive with their meagre salary without stealing.

Gbajabiamila who was found guilty of withholding his client’s compensation money as a lawyer in the USA & ran to Nigeria wants social media to be regulated so that news like that of his misdeeds in the past won’t be posted on the free social media . Yeye dey smell

People get mind sha . So they took 4m cash to the police station to bribe policemen ? They are even lucky the policemen are ethical and professional ones.

Some unscrupulous policemen could as well have collected the money from them , lock them up or worse still kill them leaving no traces of their existence sef.

afrodoc2:
Some of us warned about this. Removing the subsidy at that time was a confirmed error. He should have found a way of putting measures in place first and then removing subsidy after about 2 years.

Ultimately that might still not have worked but would probably have caused less suffering.

Exactly ! People that didn’t have foresight kept applauding it as a good move; “removing the subsidy all at once and allowing dollar to find its value “.

Now the only commodity everybody fit afford now na HOPE.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]The rush to remove all subsidies and most especially float the naira was the beginning of our problems

Now, they cannot manage any of the effects.
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This is the truth ; they know this but u they will never admit it.

Things are spiraling out of control and u still see government playing dumb politics blaming every other person apart from themselves, their dumb policies & implementation process.

Just early this week APC was blaming opposition for sponsoring anti-Tinubu protests .

I was telling a friend recently that so many tenants will default on their rent payments this year because I don’t see how people still struggling to feed with their income will be able to renew rent when the time comes. That in itself is one crisis waiting to happen because the landlord whose disposable income has reduced due to the general hike in prices of commodity will want to increase rent . Eviction and quit notice case go plenty for court this year if things keep going this way

raumdeuter:
And when are you going to call yours out who is waiting for a 90yr old man to come and help you protest when he already used 60yrs of his life to

Soyinka protested before you and I were born, he protested in our lifetime, Now you take over and continue from where Soyinka stopped and pick your own agenda and co conspirators too.

If Soyinka has his agenda, he is not stopping you from having yours. No one stopped Soyinka, No one is stopping you too

My agenda is vsible for the blind to see. Like I said earlier, If APC government desires more people to kill they should wait for the northern protests to gain more traction and roll out the tanks.

I will continue to call out any of the co-conspirators as I do wish. Nothing anybody fit do about it.

raumdeuter:
I am defending APC, I am not forcing you to defend APC. You are free to protest APC if you don't like it.

Soyinka nobody has stopped you from protesting, And saying they killed protesters is not an excuse. They have been killing protesters since the days of Soyinka and it didnt stop him. Why is it stopping you?

Your name is also not Wole Soyinka and I'm not answerable to u for calling out an obvious hypocrisy on the part of Soyinka and his co-conspirators when I see one.

If APC need more people to kill in protest grounds, they should wait for the northern protest to gain more ground and then should proceed on their usual killing spree.

raumdeuter:
What is your own responsibility in all of these? Abi Soyinka is the only Nigerian?

U that has defended the last 9 years of APC's calamitious rule is suddenly interested in me protesting against APC ? Wonderful!