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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:35pm On Feb 13, 2023
hensben:
At emboldened, you lied and it shows you didn't watch our ucl and uel win, we actually dominated teams in those wins including real madrid. Why are you trying hard to paint chelsea bad when we that support and watch the team telling you that jorg is a liability. He is a liability because he rarely progress play and cause attacking threat and defensively he is easily breezed past and dominated in the air. All what he does best i side and back passes and then to some extent maintaining temple of the game like Mikel when with the ball. Personally that type of CDM is waste of space, mostly in epl, when you can actually get a proper CDM like case, rodri and tchouameni that are defensively and offensively solid.
Everybody knows you won the champions league playing a tactical low block with a defensive formation. That's not an argument we should even dive into. That so called liability would have walked into Peps team when he wanted him and he would have used him to win multiple league titles in the same tough epl.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:29pm On Feb 13, 2023
popizaino:
As someone who pride himself in his eyetest,i say the bolded is very very wrong.
Wrong how? Does Gundogan has more defensive ability than Jorginho?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:28pm On Feb 13, 2023
Griffon:
Someone that weighs 80kg is being compared to a frail 68kg weighing Jorginho.

Things we read on NL.
What does kg have to do with anything? Kante weighs 70kg just so you know.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:28pm On Feb 13, 2023
FirstbornWds:
I don't think it's fair to compare physique of Gundogan with Jorg though
Nobody compared Physique and having a little body mass than another does not make you stronger. The Koko here is Gundogan is not defensively astute and Jorginho is a better defensive midfielder In terms of defensive contribution between both. Nobody can tell me Gundogan is better defensively than Jorginho yet Pep had no problem playing Gundogan as his dm and winning ten straight games in the same tough Epl.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:57am On Feb 13, 2023
FirstbornWds:
And in the Euros where Kante wasn't carrying him, he emerged as a winner and as one of the best players of the tournament.

Take it or leave it... Chelsea simply lacked the major prospeneties to allow any technical DM prosper in the team
And even when they have a coach who wants to implement such a system the fans are not patient enough. They prefer kick and rush plus jam body type of football.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:46am On Feb 13, 2023
hensben:
They didn't know how to use him yet they won ucl with him and he even got individual awards with chelsea compared to napoli. i have personal problem with jorg type of cdm because they are liabilities to their partner and do basics for the team. Why not get a proper CDM then instead of one weakling. Again gudo can progress play and not easily bullied off the ball when challenged unlike jorg. Italian league is slow so his type of cdm will see light there if at all.
You used him in a low block to win all those trophies which even gives jorginho more credit for being adaptable. We have seen how good jorginho is in a possession based set up and with Guardiola in the premier league he would have slotted right in. Jorginho does all Gundogan offers in that particular CDM roles. We saw jorginho led Napoli dominate Manchester city in the champions league as well.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:33am On Feb 13, 2023
hensben:
Again Gudo is astute with the ball and can actually progress play whereas jorg rarely progress play and easily bullied off the ball when challenged. He is with arteta who is pep student so let's see how he will use him to win the league.
Again not accurate. We have seen jorginho at Napoli and in his first season at Chelsea under sarri to know you are lying. Gundogan is not stronger than Jorginho In that role. Jorginho used accurately is a pass master. Your team didn't know how to use jorginho effectively.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:23am On Feb 13, 2023
hensben:
Lies. jorg is weak whereas gudo is astute with the ball, it's just like saying sylva is weak because he is small which is not true. Jorg is weak and easily subdued. Pep would've bought another cdm already and bench or sell jorg. You guys talk like it's every player pep sign that clique. Because he played bousquet in la liga doesn't mean it will work for him in epl.
There's no way Jorginho is weak and easily subdued when compared to someone like Gundogan. Pep used the same Gundogan as a Dm in the same league and was dominant. He would have used jorginho to dominate the same league as well. Blame your club for not knowing how to use a player like Jorginho effectively.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 11:21am On Feb 13, 2023
I wonder what partnership Eth will go for.

Varane, Shaw or Lindelof/ Maguire, Varane?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 11:06am On Feb 13, 2023
Mrviktor:
GAVI.. PEDRI...DEJONG

OH GOD, dem go initiate fred to illuminati with triangle passes
I watched the same midfield get dominated by Villarreal yesterday. They are more pragmatic now and defend in a low block. Fred will be ok with Casemiro anchoring the midfield.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 10:39am On Feb 13, 2023
hensben:
i still don’t know what’s difficult to understand that Jorginho is a liability mostly in a league like epl.
Guardiola used Gundogan as a Dm to win something like 10 straight matches in the same Epl. Your team didn't know how maximize a player like Jorginho because if Pep had gotten him he would have surely won the league not just once.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 9:54am On Feb 13, 2023
Bjteensdes24:
Why? Cos I still don’t understand o
Yellow card accumulation while at Bayern Munich in the champions league means he will miss the next European match.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 7:12pm On Feb 12, 2023
De gea passing out from the back against Barcelona high press is going to be an eyesore.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 10:08am On Feb 12, 2023
Itsrm:
Why can't Seun implement something as basic as this? Something to hide and display tweets without having to click the actual twitter link.

Clicking twitter links everytime can be tedious.
Nairaland framework can't support that kind of system. Seun doesn't want to upgrade nairaland from it's 1960 pattern.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 9:34am On Feb 12, 2023
Blake755:
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🇸🇳 Mane: 29 G/A
🇰🇷 Son: 32 G/A
🇫🇷 Ribery: 34 G/A
🇳🇱 Robben: 32 G/A
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Sterling: 37 G/A
🇧🇪 Hazard: 38 G/A
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Bale: 41 G/A

🇵🇹 Bruno’s best season: 45 G/A

One of the most disrespected and underrated players in football. 🙏🪄
Put respect to his name 💯
Mane best season can't be 29goals and assists.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 9:29am On Feb 12, 2023
Botfuss:
Pallinha, Matheus Nunez, Kudus, De jong and a striker next season. We don’t know what will happen with Greenwood before we buy a left winger.

We are too big to panic when id*ots like Casemiro gets suspended for silly things.

We will likely get a draw again today. 26th is the most important match of the season. They can’t mess that up.
Palhinha is 29, De Jong doesn't want to leave Barcelona so no need wasting our time chasing him, I like kudus and a striker is a must. Seems our prime target is Oshiemen who I don't really fancy.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 7:56pm On Feb 11, 2023
Ballzproblem2:
your Midfielders

mount
kovacic

including ex player jorginho.

can hardly deliver 12 assist per player each season or even create chance ,yet you expect striker to average 21 goals per season , you are not serious no need arguing football with people who don't know that Midfield is the key for any striker to succeed.
Liverpool midfield over the last 5 seasons disagrees with you. Their midfield was not tasked with creating chances or delivering assists yet didn't stop Mane, Salah and Firmino from scoring 338goals over the last 5 seasons.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:56pm On Feb 06, 2023
Can someone tell me how a Drogba vs Eto argument is related to Rooney in anyway?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 2:53pm On Feb 06, 2023
Mrviktor:
Aguerooooooooooooi
I very much doubt they are getting stripped.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:33pm On Feb 06, 2023
BlueMann:
Kvara and Osigoal are cooking. Spezia must still be in Christmas mood tho

2G for Osigoal, 1G,1A for Kvara
Both are clear runners for player of the season. I will give it to Kvara personally cause I think he is the one who transformed their attack.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:29pm On Feb 06, 2023
raumdeuter:
That's how you know an argument not based in logic

Held back by club not dedicated for country

So which evidence can we use to say that Drogba was better than Etoo
Nairaland people way of arguing and defending their point is something I don't understand yet.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 1:00pm On Feb 05, 2023
popizaino:
How is it meaningless when it is relatable? It how you conveniently try to equate country football to club when at times players don't put in the same dedication they put in club football in country football and sometimes the other way round. Didier Drogba has fantastic record with Cote d'ivoire national team, not winning the CAF doesn't make the ones who won it better than him.
It's meaningless and not relatable. Ok the excuse you have come up with is that Drogba was not dedicated to Cote D'Ivoire? Nice one. The excuses for Drogba never stops. At club level Chelsea held him back while at national level he was not dedicated enough.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:40pm On Feb 05, 2023
popizaino:
There is no excuse, i will ask if Fabian Barthez was a greater goalkeeper than Oliver Khan because FB won the world cup and the later managed a silver medal 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️?
Why would you need to ask a meaningless question laced with whataboutism to defend your point? You said Drogba was held back by Chelsea fine we gave you that one. Let's remove club football since you already said Drogba was held back and move to their performance for national teams. What excuse would you now give for Eto being better than Drogba for their respective national teams, let me guess Cote D'Ivoire also held him back too right?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 12:21pm On Feb 05, 2023
popizaino:
I can pardon the ignorance of a non-Chelsea fan when they choose Eto ahead of Drogba whenever comparison between both of them arises,but what i can't forgive is the arrogance of an average Chelsea fans going for Eto ahead of Drogba.


Samuel Eto Fis would have also been mediocre like red hot Torres,Anelka,Shevchenko, Kenzma for a Chelsea side that doesn't create much for their strikers. I will keep saying this Drogba is clear of Eto from eye test and even stats also to agree with me.


No be person way dey get big chances dey miss dey score pass? You can't find Drogba here because we barely create enough talk more of big.
Am curious to know the excuse you will come up with when the discussion is moved to their performance for national teams. Let me guess Ivory coast also held him back like Chelsea?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 12:46pm On Feb 02, 2023
I still don't understand how Psv sold Gakpo who shone at the world cup and was Dutch league best player before leaving for £34m while Mudryk who has 9 career goals was sold for £89m. Gakpo is just one year older than the Mudryk self so age is not even a factor.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 4:33pm On Jan 31, 2023
Khaytunechi:
Arsenal have Lokonga, El Neny and got Jogg. We have Tominay, VDB and Fred and no, I wouldn't want a Jorginho added to our ranks. Yes, I am glad we didn't get him, that he is better than Tominay doesn't make him what we should get- not even as a temporary fix.

We really didn't cover ourselves in glory getting Antony at such high amount. Can't we go the Chelsea route and find a way round the FFP restrictions?

@benedictilemona I'm not sure Liecester would part with their best midfielder as they're not exactly safe from the drop. They wouldn't mind him doing his job to ensure they stay up. And é be like we no ready to spend money or we're not at liberty to spend much.
Ok now I understand your explanation better. According to reports we used part of our summer money for next season in getting Antony and Casemeiro this past window so there's no money available again hence why we can only do loan deals. Our initial budget for Ten Hagg was 120million but we ended up spending double. The money we spent in August is actually ‘the most in a single market for any United manager in history’. Unless we sell this window, we can't buy players unless the owners decide to put in their own money which we know ain't going to happen.


https://www.football365.com/news/man-utd-senior-players-convinced-double-transfer-budget-antony-casemiro

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-transfer-budget-news-25750857
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 2:27pm On Jan 31, 2023
Khaytunechi:
You people would cook up a narrative in your head, then start looking for who to go back and forth with.

1. This isn't a Jogginghoe Vs Tominay situation as we do not have the choice of taking either Jogg or Tom. McTominay is our player as it stands, so don't come at me talking about no one would take him except me.

2. I said I am glad it wasn't us who got Jogginghoe, he doesn't even fit the profile if we're looking for an Eriksen or Cas cover. Rather than get a 31yr old from Chelsea, I would rather we get a proper upgrade with age on his side as 'backup' to our already aged midfield duo.

That's about it.
And now that Eriksen is confirmed out for the busiest period of our campaign, who do you reckon we'd get? If at all we move in the few hours left for transfers.
What started this conversation in the first place. You told someone you are happy it's not us getting jorginho and I said jorginho as a back up is not a bad deal for Arsenal. That he is a better back up than who we have currently which is Mctominay. So how exactly is it not Mctominay vs Jorginho, ? I told you if you had the option to pick one who would you go with and you said Mctominay hence my reply saying it will just be you.


Your number 2 is an entirely different discussion and scenario.


We can't sign any player currently unless on loan due to FFP constraints. Nobody is loaning us a good midfielder with few hours to go.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 1:37pm On Jan 31, 2023
Khaytunechi:
I don't prefer a 31yr old Jogginghoe as back up to any of our starting midfielders and yes, I'd rather save a midfield spot with what we currently have than bring another deadweight we'd be looking to ship out again in two years. Abeg.
Nobody will take Mctominay over Jorginho as a back up player except you bro. What's the meaning of "save a spot " Arsenal are signing Jorginho for a year and a half contract so he won't even be at the club in 2 years talkless of trying to ship him out.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 12:24pm On Jan 31, 2023
Khaytunechi:
But I'm glad we're not the ones who got Jogginghoe grin grin cheesy if you see as Arsenal fans dé cryy grin grin grin
There's Nothing wrong in Jorginho as a back up player. Don't tell me you prefer Mctominay to jorginho?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 12:22pm On Jan 31, 2023
Mrviktor:
Manutd vs West Ham/derby
West ham won the reply yesterday. Why couldn't we get a championship or League1 team. West ham on their good day are trouble.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 11:41am On Jan 31, 2023
Singapore1:
As a non-Arsenal fan, you have to pity them. Deals between both clubs have always favored Chelsea: Ashley Cole, Giroud, Fabregas, Lassana Diarra

for them, Willian, aged Petr Cech, William Gallas (arguably), and David Luiz.
The only top player you have bought directly from Arsenal was Ashley.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 8:40pm On Jan 29, 2023
popizaino:
Where is the lie in the post?


https://twitter.com/Toyosibash1/status/1619370184648847360?t=iIIJhGmRLs1Rcsq6AgZZaA&s=19[/quote]If a Liverpool player had intercepted that ball and scored as a result of it would you still be praising him? They are times it's profitable In taking the easier option rather than going for an high risk low reward pass especially in your own half.

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