European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:48pm On Mar 04, 2023 |
Magnoliaa: No. 
On a second read, actually, I got it.
Lol...it's crazy how the meaning was so simply obvious, yet I missed it because of the wording. Almost like it was written like that intentionally. I really doubt you did. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:43pm On Mar 04, 2023 |
Magnoliaa: Can you elaborate on what this means? It's just mystical philosophy mumbo jumbo. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:33pm On Mar 04, 2023 |
Theflint1: I think it's now 10m....the money he gets from just "thank you" each month go probably pass 10m per month. Most of these high-ranking civil servants don't necessarily have to be corrupt in the strictest sense for them to enjoy from being in the position they're. On point. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 3:56pm On Mar 04, 2023 |
Itsrm: And just to add, the CJN officially earns 3.5m annually . The other judges of the supreme court probably earn less.
Make of this information what you will. Naira or Dollar? No way a chief justice will be earning that amount annually. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 5:29pm On Mar 03, 2023 |
Jodera: If I were to do combined first 11 of my choice
Neuer
Alaba. Saliba. Boateng. Lahm
Partey. Schweini
Odegaard
Robben. Jesus. Ribery Just a good half season and you are putting those Arsenal players in place of people who dominated club football. Odeggard, partey, Saliba really? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 10:06am On Feb 26, 2023 |
OhBritannia: Let me get something straight. So at the time when the media were busy dismantling Greenwood, where people in this thread were nailing Greenwood on the cross 😁😁😁😁 where others were defending him.
This girl was still opening her pussssy for greenwood and they were busy smashing 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁. Just discovered that she is pregnant for greenwood and they are now back together. I know greenwood is probably not innocent but it looks like the girl is a Nice girl and she is really in love 💕💕 with greenwood.
I hope he has changed for good and just love and respect this girl because like it or not, she has literally saved his career. Read from a confirm source that she dropped all the charges and even refused to testify against him, and even the photos that leaked online were leaked by her sister and she was not aware. She has even gone against the wish of her family by accepting him back. She has done well for him. Seeing a girl like this in this generation isn't easy, i hope greenwood realizes that he has got a Queen besides him. He should do well by her and worships her for the rest of his Life.
She saved his life whether you like it or not, she saved his life. Stop trying to paint it like a good thing or genuine love. She's likely suffering from Stockholm syndrome and what this does is encourage more women to stay in abusive relationship instead of leaving and getting justice. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 10:25am On Feb 21, 2023 |
A001: Other lower animals communicate without the use of spoken languages. Only humans are intelligent enough to evolve languages, and if you know human history well enough, you'd know all the languages spoken around the world today came naturally from some past humans just like it was some humans (not the environment) that invented all the programming languages in use today.
That's nature. Genetics. It's the same reason why many intelligent animals can't speak a language because of their nature (their genetical makeup). We are saying the same thing. We created language to enable us communicate more effectively same way deaf people communicate with sign language. Language is not innate, it's something we created to aid communication. We developed a wide variety of systems to assign specific meaning to sounds, forming words and systems of grammar to create languages. All animals make sounds which dey use in communicating. We are the only intelligent being who created language from those sounds. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 10:07am On Feb 21, 2023 |
A001: So humans learnt their languages from their environment? Why didn't other intelligent primates like the chimpanzee also do so then since they're in the same environment? Our first means of communication was likely not spoken words. Even before we developed languages, we have use various means to communicate. Cave, drawing is the oldest form of communication we know. We evolved to the point of being able to speak and then we eventually fine tuned it which resulted in language creation. Are you saying chimpanzee don't communicate with each other? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:57am On Feb 21, 2023 |
A001: Nature versus nurture argument in epistemology in philosophy. I can see you subscribe to the nurture side of the argument.
In other words, you agree with philosophers like Aristotle, John Locke, and Ibn Sina who are proponents of the tabula rasa (blank slate) theory.
My own stance is some humans are born with certain innate knowledge (like the knowledge of right and wrong on some issues, languages) and some are not, but most humans are taught all the things they know by their parents, environment, etc.
So I believe both (not just one) sides of the argument are right.
On innatism, how do you think human languages arose from the environment? Some past humans were born with the languages we speak today.
The languages evolved from the human mind not the environment.
Also, it was some humans that first came up with the norms and moral values in use today in many parts of the world.
Thus, innatism and tabula rasa are both right. I have read report on it and I disagree wholeheartedly that language is innate. Emperor Fredrick ran an experiment where he had some babies raised without anyone talking to them, limiting the people raising them to touch them only when necessary and as little as possible. He did this because he wanted to see if they would grow up to speak their innate language when they matured, All the babies eventually died. Another experiment was carried out by taking two babies to live with a mute woman. The babies ended up being mute. They are many examples that shows how human behavior is shaped largely by the environment they grew up in. Experimentation have always favoured nurture over nature. Infact every argument for nature is easily debunked. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:23am On Feb 21, 2023 |
A001: End of discussion. No dey argue meaningless argument. Environment is just one of the factors that shaped humans. But still, humans created culture, society, ethics, morality, religion shaped by genetics, environment. You keep bringing up things nobody said and just run along with it. Can you point to my post where I said humans didn't create culture, society etc I hope now you realize you are the one arguing blindly and meaningless. what I told Roland was that humans are not born with the innate knowledge of what's good/bad or wrong/right. We get all of those from the environment we grew up in that shapes us and how we interprete things hence my example of a baby raised by monkeys will act,think and behave like one cause that's the kind of environment he grew up in. The first humans on earth made rules, regulations, and laws according to the environment they grew up and experienced at that particular set of time. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:05am On Feb 21, 2023 |
larride: You dont know what you are talking about and have refused to learn even after you have been rightly corrected. Is polygamy legal in Nigeria under the federal law? A simple yes or no will suffice. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 9:04am On Feb 21, 2023 |
A001: Your argument is funny. So the environment created culture, norms, ethics, and morality for humans? Society fell from the sky? Lols. Which kind reasoning be this  The environment is what shaped humans to create Culture, society, ethics etc. Different people living in different environment have different norms, ethics, morality as well. You are still using your mumbo jumbo style of analysis. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 8:23am On Feb 21, 2023 |
BlueRayDick: The point is unlike US, Nigeria doesn't operate the solely on federal/civil law; so u can't use the word "illegal" when talking about polygamy in Nigeria. But it is indeed illegal under the federal law in Nigeria. Nigerians just used the loophole of traditional form of marriages to get round it. Saw way child marriage is illegal under federal law but northern states uses the loophole of Sharia to bypass it. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 7:26am On Feb 21, 2023*. Modified: 7:49am On Feb 21, 2023 |
BlueRayDick: I think u are confusing urself with semantics here . Raumdeuter is right , polygamy is legal in Nigeria . Why ? Because the legal system in Nigeria includes common law( the English law ) , customary law and sharia.
That is why u won’t see anybody prosecuted for practicising polygamy except he marries under common law which bars a man from having more than a wife.
When u say polygamy is not allowed in he USA , u are right cos it’s alien to their legal system .However u can’t say polygamy is not allowed in Nigeria cos our legal system which includes customary law and sharia actually makes it legal . We are talking about civil and federal law in both countries. In both countries the government doesn't recognize polygamy and it's illegal. You cannot marry a 2nd wife in Nigeria if your marriage is registered in the Court. We are not talking about Traditional form of marriage. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 7:02am On Feb 21, 2023 |
A001: Roland17 argument is very clear and has depth.
This environment you're talking about didn't just drop from heaven; it was created by some humans who were the forebears of modern humans.
Culture, religion, morality, ethics are all social constructs and man-made. These things condition humans and give us acceptable standards to behave in society.
So, past humans created the environment because they were capable of knowing what's right and what's wrong, and this environment does the conditioning and programming of modern humans.
Even without religion, you still know what's right and what's wrong. You don't need a book or a priest to tell you that certain actions are good or bad because culture, morality and ethics are enough as conditioning factors and can exist without a religion.
You're just arguing for the mere sake of it. No be everything you go dey argue.
Incest is wrong mainly because of the diseases and defects it can cause. Apart from that, most times, it messes up the child's life.
There are few exceptions, but for most people, it has bad consequences. The premise of your argument falls apart just from your first sentence. The Environmental factors you are talking about existed Before even humans on earth so your theory that they where created by human is already dead on arrival. Cave men or the earliest men on earth behavior and pattern of reasoning was influenced by the environment they grew up in. Take a group of people from this century back to the ice age and watch how they will adapt to their environment, change their behavior, way of thinking and ideas to be able to survive. Their 21st century way of thinking and behavior will be eradicated in a short time. Stop all these mumbo jumbo type of analysis. Environment factors and society determines what was wrong and right. Humans were not born with the innate knowledge of right and wrong. The environment and society determines that. Nowhere did I tell you religion is the only factor used in determining what's right and wrong. Stop bringing in what you never saw in my post. All the arguments I have seen against incest hinges on birth defects. Now what if they don't want children, they are using protection, it's between same sex etc This will even led to a bigger question. Should all people with genetic Disorders that can be transmitted to their offspring not be allowed to procreate. Hemophilia, Huntington's Disease, Marfan syndrome etc |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 1:54am On Feb 21, 2023*. Modified: 2:14am On Feb 21, 2023 |
Roland17: Speaking about humans and the environment, I still maintain that it is human behavior that influences the environment before the latter influences the former. Without human behavior there is no environment. Human behavior creates social constructs and acceptable standards that promote communal living.
The human brain is designed to essentially ask the question “WHY”? Do you have kids? If you do, when your kid was a baby and learning to walk and had no understating of morality, did your baby try to go touch or do something you know they shouldn’t be doing? Did your baby at any point push boundaries trying to see your reaction?
The answer is most likely yes and that is because, the human brain from birth is designed to be inquisitive, it is never “conditioned” as you proposed. Does the environment influence humans? Yes but Human behavior is integral to defining society and the environment. I actually think it's the opposite. Our environment is what creates, shapes our behavior and the way we think or acts. I believe a baby raised by monkeys from day 1 will see it self as a monkey, think and act like one. They have been experimentation carried out on it as well. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 1:26am On Feb 21, 2023*. Modified: 2:16am On Feb 21, 2023 |
raumdeuter: That's news to me that Polygamy is not legal in Nigeria
I've never seen anyone prosecuted for Polygamy and many people are openly polygamous
Yes I mean under traditional marriage Yes Africans practice polygamy under traditional form of marriage. Legally it's not allowed in Nigeria same as in the u.s. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 1:16am On Feb 21, 2023 |
DeadPresidents: If we establish a precedent, who says such inbreeding cannot continue for generations?
You’re the one that needs to research the fate of the Royal houses of Europe and ancient Egypt that had incest as a favorite pastime.
King Tut-ankh-amun was most likely a cripple based on his bone density when his interred remains were unearthed. Inbreeding during those days were forced because they wanted to maintain blood line. It's a totally different concept to what the original poster asked. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 1:11am On Feb 21, 2023 |
raumdeuter: What is good and what is bad is determined by the society we live in
What we consider good or bad today was/is acceptable behavior in some societies
In the west it's more acceptable to have a same sex relationship than to have an heterosexual relationship that is polygamous. Those of us who grew up in Africa and other parts of the world will wonder how that even starts to make sense
Royal families practice incest in the past to keep the purity of their bloodline.
Science has shown that it predispose children from such relationships to genetic defects
We are higher animals and intelligent ones too. Our behavior need to reflect that
As a society we need to have certain standards that guide us otherwise we will become like animals that nack their own mothers and siblings I hope you know polygamy is not legal in Nigeria as well. You are talking about traditionally in Africa. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 12:49am On Feb 21, 2023 |
DeadPresidents: Even though I’m not the most religious, I’m grateful for the Laws of Moses and the Hammurabi codex for their dictates around incestuous relations.
Let’s assume birth control fails and the incestuous morons conceive. A cretin is the likely product from a geneticists viewpoint.
Liberalism taken to extremes will be the death of us. Come on do a little research. Genetic disorder from incest only comes if it continues for multiple generations. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 12:45am On Feb 21, 2023 |
Roland17: Sir, my original post is as easy as easy. If we are not talking about religion then why are we debating! Isn’t that what you read in my original post? You see why I said you are debating yourself? You just jumped on it first by creating your own narrative and now you see you are wrong!
Let me also correct you, humans behavior is what actually influences the environment leading to social constructs like religion, not the other way around.
Let me make this easy for you. Seun, the owner of this website is an atheist, he doesn’t believe in God (anyone with better knowledge can correct me). Does the absence of religion in Seun’s life mean Seun can’t decipher between right and wrong? What is human behavior? You realize human behavior is affected and controlled by society, environmental factors, religion etc.. You are still getting it wrong by even using this seun example. I am not debating with you that religion is the only factors in which human decides what's wrong or right. That seems like your entire premise. What am telling you is that humans are not born with an innate sense of what's right or wrong. We get them from society and environmental factors which could mean religion, laws and regulations, Personal conviction etc. Seun might not use religion to determine what is right or wrong but he has other foundations on which he gets his morality from. Maybe we are arguing from diff viewpoint or I misinterpreted your initial post. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 12:07am On Feb 21, 2023 |
Roland17: Sir, thank you admitting your failed attempt.
Sir, you are debating and disagreeing with yourself. Is religion the only component of the environment? Is religion a product of humans? Is religion a social construct?
Most importantly, before the advent of religion, did people make moral/ ethical decisions? In today’s modern world, those who don not believe in religion, are they able to decipher between good and evil?
Have you ever heard of “Veil of ignorance”? We are not talking about religion being the basic of morality. You seem not to understand what am talking about. The initial post you even quoted made no mention of religion. What am trying to tell you is that humans are not Born with the innate knowledge to decipher good/bad or wrong/right. We are programmed and thought those things from birth hence they are influenced by society, environment factors, Religion etc |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 11:54pm On Feb 20, 2023 |
Roland17: Sir, you are disagreeing with yourself. I can not debate you when you intentionally or unintentionally removed parts of my sentence to suit your narrative. I have added your full post underneath and it still didn't make any difference. Can humans decipher what is wrong or right without religion, society and various environmental factors? The answer is clearly no which is what I diagreed with in your post. Roland17: Humans have the capacity to decipher between right or wrong (Morality) without religion. Morality on it's own is a social construct that defines acceptable standards and it evolves as human behavior evolves.
Morality vs Ethics is a bigger debate. What is morally right vs what is ethically right? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 11:34pm On Feb 20, 2023 |
Roland17: Humans have the capacity to decipher between right or wrong I disagree wholeheartedly. We are conditioned by society and other environmental factors on how one perceive whats good/bad and wrong/right. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bombblacks: 11:25pm On Feb 20, 2023 |
larride: Incent is wrong whichever way you look at it.  Am interested to know your reasons. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 6:21pm On Feb 19, 2023 |
The amount of chances and shots we are allowing opponents are too much. 20 plus shots for Barcelona and 19 for Leicester today. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 5:44pm On Feb 19, 2023 |
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 5:40pm On Feb 19, 2023 |
patrickmuf: De Gea deserves a new deal...Nottingham should pay 30m for Henderson. I think they will buy keylor navas permanently and return Henderson back to us. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Bombblacks: 11:47am On Feb 15, 2023 |
timay1: So FIFA club world cup from 2025 will compose of 32 teams.
UEFA is increasing the champions league to 48 teams from 2024.
European football clubs are massively shortchanging themselves. They can create an NBA styled franchise with the Super league, where they share all the profits among themselves, just like it's been happening in the premier league.
Also, who knows if the likes of Perez that are pushing the super league wants to make UEFA to negotiate and start sharing the bulk of the TV rights revenue with the clubs , instead of giving them peanuts. Do you even know how the NBA works before thinking Football can ever emulate it and I don't know how you can call 2 billion plus per champions league season Peanuts. 95% of the money is already shared amongst the clubs. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:35pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
hensben: At emboldened, you lied and it shows you didn't watch our ucl and uel win, we actually dominated teams in those wins including real madrid. Why are you trying hard to paint chelsea bad when we that support and watch the team telling you that jorg is a liability. He is a liability because he rarely progress play and cause attacking threat and defensively he is easily breezed past and dominated in the air. All what he does best i side and back passes and then to some extent maintaining temple of the game like Mikel when with the ball. Personally that type of CDM is waste of space, mostly in epl, when you can actually get a proper CDM like case, rodri and tchouameni that are defensively and offensively solid. Everybody knows you won the champions league playing a tactical low block with a defensive formation. That's not an argument we should even dive into. That so called liability would have walked into Peps team when he wanted him and he would have used him to win multiple league titles in the same tough epl. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:29pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
popizaino: As someone who pride himself in his eyetest,i say the bolded is very very wrong. Wrong how? Does Gundogan has more defensive ability than Jorginho? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by Bombblacks: 2:28pm On Feb 13, 2023 |
Griffon: Someone that weighs 80kg is being compared to a frail 68kg weighing Jorginho.
Things we read on NL. What does kg have to do with anything? Kante weighs 70kg just so you know. |