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John 1:1 Jesus is God.

John 17:3, God the Father is the only true God.


Whenever you see that for Jesus you let me know.

Gabrielshow24:
You are just being redundant, scriptures clearly highlights in 1Jh3:2—We shall be like him!

Our end goal is to be like Jesus who has the fullness of God. It's implicitly stated.
You didn't burst any bubble, your ignorance only reiterates my point, we shall have the fullness of God, the very nature of God, but in identity we are different!

Your ignorance also failed to take into consideration the simple meaning of the word "christian". You really need to go back to that special centre and collect your refund!

Ephesians 3:14-15, 19 NIV
[14] For this reason I kneel before the Father, [15] from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.
[19] and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

We are taking about the fullness of God/God's nature.

You were shocked to see that and you have switched to we shall be like him, and meaning of Christian.

Satan has decieved all of you. You can pretend you didn't see it.

Go and answer my question well

MightySparrow:
Which of the main doctrines of the Christian Faith is not confusion so to speak: the virgin conception of Jesus? His atoning death? His resurrection?, His ascension? His promise of coming back? Resurrection of the dead? New birth?

Everything in Christianity is not logical in the actual sense. If I believe in all above, why can't I believe in a triune God?

2 Thessalonians 2:12 YLT98
[12] that they may be judged — all who did not believe the truth, but were well pleased in the unrighteousness.

Just go and check if this spirit of delusion has affected you.

John 16:13 NLT
[13] When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.

The truth the Holy spirit revealed is not confusing

Janosky:


Thank you very much.
Your claim is not in your own Bible.

Hebrew 6:13, no Spirit any where is equal to God.

Ephesians 3:19 said the fullness of God can be in any man. Everything they believe in has been destroyed.

Gabrielshow24:
Jesus in glorifying his Father said so himself, that his Father is his God. How does this negate the "God" nature in Jesus?

I have shown you that God's nature can be in any man he chooses to give. Everything you believe in is now useless.

So go back and answer my question accordingly. The one of John 17:3 and Revelation 3:12. Don't skip any of them.

Ken4Christ:
I don't have any issue with your submissions.
My issue is with Boomark

I don't have any issue with you after dodging my question for more than 5 days now. I have told where to see how I answered you. You can go ahead and continue pretending you didn't see it.

Gabrielshow24:
This is false special waec centre reasoning. The disciples understood seeing Jesus meant seeing the fullness of the Father in flesh not whatsoever slippery slope you predefined for yourself 😂.

Jesus implied that no man has seen the infinite-D God not withstanding they have seen the 3-D representative of him, Jesus!

You didn't defeat me brother, you just showed your ignorance, from inability to comprehend English to false slippery slope and lack of deep understanding!

Let me shock you and prove to you that you are very ignorant and has been fooled by satan.

Colossians 2:9 NLT

[9] For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body.


Ephesians 3:14-15, 19 NIV
[14] For this reason I kneel before the Father, [15] from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.
[19] and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.


All the fullness of God or God's nature or Godhead is what the Father the only true God can fill in any man who he wishes to give it. Paul prayed for the Ephesians that all the fullness of God may be filled in them. And that doesn't make them equal to God.

This is what satan and the antichrist used to deceive all of you. I believe you have never seen this before in your life.

You have failed woefully and I have defeated you in your question all round. Repent and obey the words of Jesus Christ.

chibuezem
Ken4Christ

Gabrielshow24:
when have I shied from your questions? Bring it on, brother. It will be a nice distraction from your infamous clause😂!

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Answer this question.

John 17:3 NIrV
[3] And what is eternal life? It is knowing you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Revelation 3:12 NIV
[12] The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.


1. From the scriptures above, do you believe that the Father is the only true God and that the Father is the God of Jesus Christ?

Gabrielshow24:
Your write-up is flawed as Jesus gives his reasons and he understands the context and your reconciliation falls short in this regard. No one was saying the Father and the son were the same in identity, trinity affirms they are same in Nature not identity perhaps if you had defined your problem statement along with other related terms you won't have put yourself in this confusion!

Probably, you also missed the definition of fullness of the Father! And this reply of mine to something similar posed by gohf is also sufficient.



You also need to actually define the context of the "seeing" which you failed to as there are records of prophets seeing the Ancient of days, even Stephen saw God before his death.

Thus you need to provide the framework which you haven't done! In conclusion, you affirm Jesus words to be True! Which negates your previous conclusions.

Also the analogy of the Mother you gave is terrible, if I say my mother's words it doesn't mean any one who has seen me has seen my mother😂—that special waec centre you attended is showing here!

That you agreed that Jesus is not the same person as the Father is all we needed to confirm that I am correct. The Disciples didn't see God the Father himself when Jesus made that statement.

Fullness of the Father doesn't mean they saw the Father himself which Christ himself also said no one has seen, does it?

John 6:46 NIV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

Unless you want to tell us that Jesus lied about what he said in the scripture above and the one below. Only the antichrist will paint Jesus as a lier.

John 14:9-11, 16, 28 NKJV
[9] Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

You have 2 options here.

1. To tell the world that Jesus lied about what he said in those scriptures.

2. To agree with me that Jesus used figure of speech and the disciples never really saw the Father himself.

If you cannot agree with any of these, know that I still defeated you.

Gabrielshow24:
Agree to what question exactly 🤦🏾‍♂️? What manner of deceit is this?
Alright, I will use the exact words of Jesus, I will quote the verse so that you have no excuse! 😂

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John14:9

Answer to your question.

John 14:9-11, 16, 28 NKJV
[9] Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? [10] Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. [11] Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
[16] And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—
[28] You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

Jesus is not the author of confusion. He also said this below about God who he calls the Father.

John 6:46 NIV
[46] No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.


From every other scripture we know that Jesus is not the Father. He also toid them that no one has seen the Father.

Jesus gave reason why he said he who has seen him has seen the Father in verses 10 and 11. He said this because everything he tells his disciples comes from the Father. He doesn't say anything from his own authority. The Father commands him on the things to say, John 12:49-50. If you don't have authority of your to say anything apart from what your mother tells you to say, whoever sees you will likened to haven seen your mother at home because what your mother will use her mouth to tell them is exactly what you will tell them. But you are not your mother.

In verse 16, he said he will pray to the Father. He is not praying to himself. In verse 28, he told them clearly that he is going to the Father and that the Father is greater than him. He is not the Father whom he told them is greater than him. He told them all these still in this same chapter so they don't go and start assuming he is the Father.

So what Jesus said in John 6:46 above is the same thing I tell you that no one has seen God (The Father) according to John 1:18 and 1 Timothy 6:16. Jesus died but the only true God cannot die and no one has seen him, 1 Timothy 6:16.

Do you disagree?

Gabrielshow24:
when have I shied from your questions? Bring it on, brother. It will be a nice distraction from your infamous clause😂!

Okay

Chibuezem:
bye finally I can rest
Remember the scripture you quoted are correct 😁😘

Yes go and rest. That's how I do it. I give people hbp with questions. Just watch how I will deal with Gabrielshow24. He is busy laughing. I told him before that he doesn't know me.

Remember to check again cos I'm about to give those who believe in the Trinity a fatal blow before I rest

Chibuezem:
lol I will keep on with my revelations from God as seen in the scriptures. Holyspirit thank you for giving me understanding.
Glory to the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit. You don't need the wisdom of men to describe your existence.
Bookman have a wonderful night.

Bye bye

Gabrielshow24:
Agree to what question exactly 🤦🏾‍♂️? What manner of deceit is this?
Alright, I will use the exact words of Jesus, I will quote the verse so that you have no excuse! 😂

Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John14:9

Stop pretending as if you don't understand simple english.

I have agreed to answer your question. Do you agree to answer my own question also after answering your own? You will have to reciprocate my gesture.

Someone that doesn't understand this thing cannot understand anything.

Chibuezem:
I have answered his question already. The revelation is personal but concludes that trinity is true 😁 Oya bash me.
The truth is my revelation from God cannot convince you enough compared to the one that God will give you. All you need to do is to ask with openness of the heart and He will reveal all things through the Holyspirit who is the teacher and comforter 😊

Beware, any revelation that supports trinity which was never inspired by the Holy spirit and seen in the bible is from satan and the antichrist. The scriptures I posted which you confirmed to be corrected are all against trinity.

Chibuezem:
I've answered your question several times. The scripture you posted is correct.

You didn't answer my question and I tired of repeating the same question over over again. I didn't ask you if the scriptures I posted were right or wrong. And I have told you this same thing more than 3 times.

Gabrielshow24:
did Jesus lie when he said he that has seen has seen God? Also how did you reconcile this verse with those of John and Timothy's 🤨?

Didn't you see where I said you should agree to answer my question also? This is just the kind of deceitful act you practice. And again use the exact words of Jesus Christ. You have already started lying already. In fact quote the scripture before you ask.

Gabrielshow24:
dealt with me as how? Just like you he hasn't done anything useful. He has proven himself a liar of the same league as you! It seems you have finally owned to your lie😂.

Kindly disprove Jesus?You can't! I take scripture in full not cherry-pick and I apply deep understanding to it!

Since you have decided to nail yourself, did Jesus lie when he said "he that has seen me has seen God"?

I am sure you can't, because it undermines your position in the same vein exemplifying the ontological definition of God would have done to your arguments!

Kindly agree that you will answer my own question and then put your question in bold letter so that all eyes will see it well. Don't talk too much. So one will digress. Use the exact words Jesus use so you don't start lying from the beginning.

Chibuezem:
The concept of the Trinity in the Old Testament is subtle yet evident through various passages and hints. While the term "Trinity" isn't explicitly mentioned, several scriptures suggest a plurality within the Godhead.

KeyPassages:

- *Genesis 1:26*: God says, "Let us make mankind in our image," indicating a plural Godhead.
- *Genesis 19:24*: The Lord rains brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven, suggesting two distinct persons within the Godhead.
- *Isaiah 48:16*: The Lord GOD and His Spirit have sent the speaker, hinting at the Trinity.
- *Psalm 45:6-7*: The throne of God is mentioned, and Hebrews 1:8-9 identifies this as referring to the Son.
- *Numbers 6:24-26*: The threefold repetition of God's name may allude to the Trinity.

*Other Hints:*

- *Plural terminology for God*: The Hebrew word "Elohim" is used, which is a plural form, yet often takes singular verbs, indicating a complex unity.
- *The Angel of the Lord*: This figure is described as God and receives worship, yet is distinct from God, foreshadowing the Trinity.
- *The Spirit of God*: Passages like Micah 3:8 and Isaiah 63:10-11 show the Spirit as a distinct person within the Godhead.
- The trisagion of Isaiah 6:3: The repetition of "holy" three times may reflect the triune nature of God ¹ ² ³.

Interpretation:

The Old Testament lays the groundwork for the doctrine of the Trinity, which is later revealed more fully in the New Testament. Understanding these passages requires careful consideration of the Hebrew language, cultural context, and theological themes .


A very important question I would love you to answer is if You were to see evidence of trinity in the scripture and God were to also reveal it to you would you accept it?

Bro the scriptures you posted did not support trinity in any way. Please stop copying and pasting things you don't understand. I read some of them and I was disappointed.

I have given you opportunity to ask me any question you want. I will answer all especially with scripture. What you call hint didn't hint anything. Hint cannot cancel what Jesus said himself.

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't answer the question on ground. You are just looking for diversionary tactics. You failed to understand context. If you failed in just one verse imagine the rest where you have mis-intrepreted!

The scriptures well explains this that he took the form of God, He became flesh. He honored his Father in flesh and the Father honored him just as himself. What more do you want?

He gave indirect evidences not just claiming "I am God" for his divinity and equality with God!
It's even well documented that Jesus spoke in parables intentionally to obscure meanings exemplifying it later to his disciples!

As usual, you are selling cheap script! We take the fullness of scripture not just cherry-picking.

gohf has really dealt with you.

I am giving you a chance to ask me one question you think will nail on me on a tree so that the birds of the air will eat me like pepper soup . Think deeply before you ask. I could have given you more chance but you a very dishonest being. Question from the bible.

I will use the scripture to destroy both your hammer and nails.

After that, I will ask you my own question and you must answer it.

Do you agree? Agree before you asked. You are not trustworthy at all.

Gabrielshow24:
Even this reconciliation is faulty as the verse you use explains the context. Or do you want to say Jesus lied? Or do you want to conclude the visions of the ancient of days in the bible are all false? You can do better than this! Your reconciliation falls short. Think deeply perhaps it will occur to you.

Oga answer his question.

Who lied in the bible by telling us that no eyes have seen God when all eyes have seen Jesus who you said is God? John 1:18 and 1 Timothy 6:16.

Ken4Christ:
Stop making references to screenshots. Answer it in plain language.

1. Who is the Holy Spirit?
2. His he God?

Go to page 3 at 3:39 pm and see where I answered you in plane language. That was more than 4 days now. And you can't answer my own.

I don't have time for deceitful people.

Chibuezem:
Here's a detailed explanation of trinity that won't take your time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4BJgaOStI?si=EozK32s-gi7fQ6Ts

And he has explained this falsehood to you and you believe it. I know you are still seeking for knowledge.

Now take your time and gather every point you can think of from the video and ask me questions. I will answer ALL and destroy the video and everything in it with God's word.

If I ask you to back your questions with scriptures you will start failing from the beginning.

I am doing this so that you will know that you are only doing the will of satan and the antichrist.

gohf:
I see boomark has already been asking you the same questions chibuezem, so care to share your revelation you received from God

See the frustration he chibuezem gave me in picture. So you know those you are dealing with.

They don't know I can answer all their questions with scriptures but I want them to answer at least one from me. Even if it is 1:3 no problem.

The same thing with Ken4Christ. I answered his question on page 3 at 3:39 pm with words typed out. He is still here saying I have not answered him.

Gabriel the false accuser who claimed he is so busy can type 1000 words with 200 laughing heads but finds it difficult to use a single scripture to backup what he said. That's when he will remember that he busy. He is busy planting falsehood everywhere.

I have replied them but it's like I'm being restricted from showing them the truth the way I want it.

OAM4J

Please why are my posts targeted and removed? I have mailed you but got no response . What is wrong with what I typed in the screenshot?

gohf:
by the way do you realize that those who believe that antichrist doctrine are doing miracles and healings in the name of Jesus, what if someone asks you to explain that, how do you explain that?

What's your view on that

Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
[21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Christ said it that ONLY Those Who Do The Will Of His Father will enter the kingdom of God. So if anyone is practicing Trinity that God never spoke of. That Christ never spoke of. That is not found anywhere in the bible, they are practicing lawlessness.

The have been deceived by the lawless one with signs and wonders done in their church. They think, since they did it in the name of Jesus then it is acceptable by God. They don't know that doing the will of God is great than any sign or wonder. All those who think they are defending Christ even after rejecting his words are clearly deceive by the antichrist.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ESV
[9] The coming [of the lawless one, the antichrist] is through the activity and working of Satan and will be attended by great power and with all sorts of [pretended] miracles and signs and delusive marvels–[all of them] lying wonders–[10] And by unlimited seduction to evil and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing (going to perdition) because they did not welcome the Truth but refused to love it that they might be saved.[11] Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,[12] In order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe in [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely on] the Truth, but [instead] took pleasure in unrighteousness.

They have refused to take the truth from God which he spoke through Christ. The antichrist gave them trinity and they embraced it. They insult God who has given commands through Christ by their own foolish thoughts, that maybe God forgot to define trinity and that maybe the spirit of God forgot to inspire it as it should be.

They have all been deceived by the antichrist all those who go outside the scripture to borrow a name and define for themselves what they are practicing.

gohf:
a bit late to the thread but I would like to say welcome to another who actually believes and knows the truth that there is only one true God and his son Jesus Christ our Lord sent by God our Father to bring grace and truth to us, and this good news will not be stopped by any nicolatian doctrine or false foundationally faith teaching that call the truth heresy but the truth will prevail.

I would to see the responses that followed the post, and hope you weren't surprised by those who claim to openly believe Jesus but reject his words in favor of their church doctrines and dogmas

My brother. The way they l_ie and dodge questions shows they are doing the work of the antichrist.