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Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God by Boomark(m): 3:28pm On Dec 10, 2014

ayoku777:
I've studied that passage in Daniel 7 carefully; and its not explicit that they were talking about two ancients of Days.

Daniel 7v9 -I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool.

Daniel 7v13 -I saw in the night visions, and, beheld, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought Him near before Him

Daniel 7v22 -Until the Ancient of Days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High.

To say it was the Son of man that came in verse 13, that became the Ancient of Day that came in verse 22 will be far-reaching; it wasn't explicitly implied by scripture. It could verily be referring to the Ancient of days that "did sit" in verse 9.

Then secondly, I fully agree with you that Jesus created all things. Infact the Father created nothing. He only begat the Son, and the Son made all things.

You are doing a great job bro but the bolded is wrong. There is no other will except the will of the Father, the God of Gods.

He spoke and they were created. Assuming your word has the ability to establish things, when you speak things where created and when you don't nothing happens. It means you created things by your word, in other words your word created things. Remember you are the one that do the talking for it to happen, if not, nothing happens.

This is what it means when they say all things were created by the word, the word of God.

Bidam angry

must start afresh unless he tells me why "We have the same Father as Jesus, Jn 20:17 and God the same way he does, Rev 3:12."

The God of all(including those in heaven) has no God, 1 Cor 8:5-6.

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Taixi.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Child Dedication Be Abolished Since It Is Found In The Law Of Moses? by Boomark(m): 12:15pm On Nov 03, 2014

Bidam:
God commanded it in the mosaic law, but it isn't binding on Christians just like circumcision.

No church is imposing child dedication on their members. I have not seen any so far.

Ok.

Like i said earlier, God did away with animal sacrifice for sin, that He might establish the second sacrifice( Jesus), this is Grace and is applicable anywhere. God's approach in this case changed and the Spirit behind the law is what God is interested in. The truth remains the same, but how it is applied in the light of greater understanding may change.

The second sacrifice (Jesus) Automatically sanctified and dedicated us to God, 1Cor 1:2. This is the power of the law fulfil. No manual methods.

But men who are not satisfied with that automatic dedication through the death of Christ, may be because ignorance, lack of faith in the law fulfilled by Christ, or may be because they did not say amen when Christ said "it is finished on the cross," they now went ahead to do another dedication by imitating the law.

God is interested in the spirit behind the law fulfilled, not the practice or imitation of the law of Moses.

Approach matters and the two cannot lead to the same truth. The first is faulty, the second is perfect. God wants the second for us and that is the one we should go for.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Child Dedication Be Abolished Since It Is Found In The Law Of Moses? by Boomark(m): 12:49pm On Nov 02, 2014

Bidam:
So also is child dedication.

Yea, child dedication is a circular practice. It becomes doctrine of men when God did not command it and its been practiced in churches.

Every thing in life including health issues have to do with the grace of God. Moreover dedicating a Child after circumcision with the lamb or turtle doves and pigeon during the mosaic era was an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper.
They are only a matter of food and drinks and various ceremonial washings-external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

Not everything in life is imposed on the church as a doctrine even though they are through the grace of God.

What does the dove and pigeon illustrate in the present time....yam, fowl, can malt, biscuits, chim chim, groundnut oil, etc? Who says what they signify/illustrate, men or God?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Many Churches Are Still Following The Law Of Moses. by Boomark(m): 9:09pm On Nov 01, 2014

olire:
. The bible verses showed that the laws are orginally made by God not Moses. Or do you have another idea of who made the laws

So you are now running around just to make it look like i didn't teach you anything? huh

That's the trait of those that can stick to man-made doctrines. Those that will run from "is" to "was" and back to "is" just to remain solidly behind their man made doc.

For you to stand out as a true Christian, you don't stand with any man or pastor against the truth. You don't use "miandish" words to dodge the truth.

Smh for thee. tongue

Christianity Etc › Re: Many Churches Are Still Following The Law Of Moses. by Boomark(m): 11:48am On Nov 01, 2014

olire:
According to your quotation, although it is called the Law of Moses, it is actually the law of God. This is due to the fact that it was what the Lord commanded.
Here, as u can see, your own quotation refers to the law as God's own. It is named the law of Moses because it was revealed through him. It is God's own Law.

So... U agree with me that it is wrong to refer to the ten commandments as the law of Moses?

I hope those bible answered your question? Or you want to go over to who really made the law?

Christianity Etc › Re: Many Churches Are Still Following The Law Of Moses. by Boomark(m): 3:02am On Oct 31, 2014

olire:
So... U agree with me that it is wrong to refer to the ten commandments as the law of Moses.

2 Kings 14:6
But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

For the commandment, "Thou shall not kill," killing has it consequences written in the law of Moses. The ten commandment, including the Sabbath is like a summary of the law of Moses.

1 Kings 2:3
And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:

The ten commandments, etc are all in the law of Moses.

Christianity Etc › Re: Many Churches Are Still Following The Law Of Moses. by Boomark(m): 1:42pm On Oct 30, 2014

olire:
lol, I'm not contending whether its a law or not. My contention is whose law is it, God or Moses. What u have pointed out above, especially the highlighted part shows that it was written by God himself. So then again, is it still Moses' law when God wrote it initially??

Even those who call it the "law of Moses" knew that Moses made no law. Don't let the title confuse you. No man makes the law on behalf of God. The Pharisees added their own laws then, the same way most churches are adding their own law to the law of Christ today. These are man-made doctrines.

Christianity Etc › Re: Many Churches Are Still Following The Law Of Moses. by Boomark(m): 11:33am On Oct 29, 2014

olire:
Why do you say the Sabbath is the law of Moses. Could u point out scriptural evidence to support your claim?

Ex 24:12
The LORD said to Moses, "Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction."

Exodus 31:12-18
The Sabbath
12 Then the Lord said to Moses, 13 “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord , who makes you holy.
14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord . Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death. 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed. ’”
18 When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

This is what you asked for.

The Sabbath was first given to them in Ex 16:23-27. The Sabbath is a law.

Christianity Etc › Re: Many Churches Are Still Following The Law Of Moses. by Boomark(m): 12:58pm On Oct 28, 2014

olire:
So... Are u trying to say the ten commandments is the law of Moses?

Yes it is. So is the Sabbath.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Child Dedication Be Abolished Since It Is Found In The Law Of Moses? by Boomark(m): 10:58am On Oct 27, 2014

Bidam:
Who be your boy? A happily married man with two kids na hin be your boy

BTW, since you no like scriptural truth and realities make i use logic puncture you hia..Are you telling me since your penis is circumcised you have falling from grace

You are laughing because you don't know that the bolded is now a circular practice. It is not a requirement from God for Christians. It is no a religious practice for Christians. Circumcision is a mere practice of keeping that body part healthier. Circular practice it is, it has nothing to do with the grace of God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Child Dedication Be Abolished Since It Is Found In The Law Of Moses? by Boomark(m): 10:07am On Oct 27, 2014

Goshen360:

I told him what it is bro. He is passing through Near Truth Experience(NTE). The process of starting afresh or returning to the original lie when one is about to grasp the truth.

Example NTE:
After showing one the truth from the scripture, he will say, "it is your opinion, Boomark!" angry

They run away from a particular issue they can't defend when it chokes them but you be surprised to see them defending that thing they don't fully understand in another thread.

Causes: Putting faith in the wrong thing...doctrines of men, while believing it is the truth. They would not want to compromise their faith in the teachings of their Pastors or church fathers even when the scripture does not support their belief.

I remember when one was shown that Christ was crucified on a tree from his own bible by JWs. He said. "it seems these people use juju to cover peoples eye, making them to see tree instead of cross."

Bidam is an NTE guy. One of the oldest.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Think Jesus Christ Is A Human Beings Name by Boomark(m): 6:14pm On Oct 26, 2014

sukkot:
stop twisting scriptures. what is written down is pretty clear. these men have shortcomings that everyone can see but yet are still recieved as messengers and custodians of the word of God. thats what that galatians verse is talking about. see you need to be able to see past the bible being about single people before you can understand where i am coming from. there is no human being named jesus christ that was hung on a cross. nobody was hung on a cross literally

What you need to do is to go and study the use of English and come back again. At least i have shown you simile they used and what it means.

So Christ did not die on the cross, where did he die?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Think Jesus Christ Is A Human Beings Name by Boomark(m): 6:04pm On Oct 26, 2014

sukkot:
you did see this verse didnt you ?
colosians 4 vs 11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me << his fellow workers are Jesus. a title not a name

So a person can be a (are) fellow WORKERS? huh

You err and you knew it. Read Vs 10-11 to see why he used workers instead of worker. And again, go and study singular and plural so you will know the difference between worker and workers. Smh for thee.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Child Dedication Be Abolished Since It Is Found In The Law Of Moses? by Boomark(m): 5:50pm On Oct 26, 2014

Bidam:
Ok, your opinion is noted boomark.

Not my opinion bro, its something in the scripture you have been finding difficult to understand since AD 450 BC.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Child Dedication Be Abolished Since It Is Found In The Law Of Moses? by Boomark(m): 4:14am On Oct 26, 2014

Goshen360:
True, it is a ceremony under the Mosaic ONLY TO A BELIEVING PARENT WHO BELIEVES IN THE LAW OF MOSES. I believe EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES, BUT THEY WEREN'T WRITTEN TO ME NEITHER WAS IT WRITTEN TO ANY CHRISTIAN. These laws are shadows and shades and the REALITY....Bidam is IN CHRIST. Your error is, you are teaching the law as a MEANS TO RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND ACT OF WORSHIP instead of teaching the law as a finished works of Christ....that is, teaching the law AS CHRIST THE REALITY OF THE LAW.

See how Christ dedicated us to God....in Himself,

1 Corinthians 1:2Expanded Bible (EXB)

2 To the church of God in Corinth [ an important city in southern Greece; Paul started the church on his second missionary journey, around ad 52; Acts 18], to you who have been ·made holy [sanctified; dedicated/set apart to God] in Christ Jesus. You were called to be ·God’s holy people [ saints] with all people everywhere who pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ—·their Lord and ours [ theirs and ours]:

So guess what, If I'm dedicated to God IN CHRIST, what do you think offspring that comes out of me will be? Dedicated to the Devil? In the NT, not until you DO A CEREMONY to dedicate a child unto God BEFORE that child is dedicated. This truth is Apostolic doctrine here.

This is what Bidam and those who practice this law needs. Child dedication has been abolished. No need to re-abolish something that has been abolished and does not exist. What people are practicing today as child dedication is unnecessary, whatever is unnecessary is a burden, whatever is a burden has been abolished, abolished things does not exist for Christians.

The same applies to the mandate to pay tithe and every other practices of the law, they have been abolished. This is the power of Christ fulfilment of the law.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Think Jesus Christ Is A Human Beings Name by Boomark(m): 6:16am On Oct 25, 2014

ayoku777:
I strongly want to believe this is not a deliberate attempt at twisting scripture; that it is simply a sincere error of hermeneutic (style of scripture interpretation).

This kind of error you're making arises when someone takes a verse or two in the bible, and wrests or tears it out of the passage; and then gives it an entirely individualistic interpretation totally out of sync with the context of its preceeding verses.

The verse you quoted in Colossians 4v11 -And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellow-workers unto the kingdom of God.

If you look at the verse that came before it (verse 10), you will notice it didn't end with a fullstop. Meaning whatever Paul was writing in verse 11 was a direct continuation of the sentence he began in verse 10.

And if you read verse 10 and 11 together to make a sentence, it reads

"Aristarchus, my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him) and Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision."

He already mentioned the names of two other people: Aristarchus, his fellow prisoner, Marcus (Barnabas's Sister's son) and Jesus, which is called Justus.

These are the ones "WHO ARE OF THE CIRCUMCISION" and "THESE ARE" his fellow-workers unto the kingdom of God.

He was not saying "JESUS" is the title name for a group of people who are of the circumcision. You drew that conclusion by giving verse 11 an individualistic interpretation out of context.

And for the point of Jesus name being Capitalized in Luke 2v21.

Capitalization in bible greek or english is to denote emphasis, not to imply that a word means more that what is written. When a word means more than what is written (either to show sarcasm or depict something) it is put in quotation marks or inverted commas; (" " or (' ')

Many words were capitalized in bible greek that mean nothing more than exactly what was writtten. E.g

Revelation 19v16 -And He had on his vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORD.

"King of kings and Lord of Lords" here means exactly that -no hidden meaning.

Also. Revelation 1v4 -JOHN to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace unto you, and peace....

"JOHN" capitalized here doesn't symbolize anything more than the name of the person writing.

Please, Capitalization is for emphasis not symbolization.

Was about speaking of this. Justus=these? huh

Seems verse 10 is not in his bible.

Smh for the sukkot

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Think Jesus Christ Is A Human Beings Name by Boomark(m): 6:03am On Oct 25, 2014

sukkot:
simile ? whwere the simile at bros ?

A simile is a figure of speech that compares two things by using the words ‘like’ or ‘as’ something else. They are compared indirectly.

Examples of Similes
White as a ghost.
Swims like a fish.
Runs like a cheetah.
Slippery as an eel.

A simile can be as descriptive as the writer chooses.

Examples of more descriptive similes:
He was as brave as a lion in a fight.
He was as angry as a bull at a red flag.

See the simile here:

galatians 4 vs 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Received AS Angel
Received AS Christ

The simile here Compares the kind of reception he got from the Galatians to that given to an Angel and that of Christ, even though he was sick, vs 13. He was receive just as people receive Angels, he was received just as people receive Christ.

Smh for thee. tongue

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Think Jesus Christ Is A Human Beings Name by Boomark(m): 5:14am On Oct 25, 2014

sukkot:
hehe. its called the many mythology and misunderstanding of christianity

galatians 4 vs 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. <<< paul thanking the people for recieving him as jesus christ even though he was struggling with sin. like saying i thank you for recognizing me as the erediauwa ukwakolorkpolor even though i am an adulterer and a fornicator etc etc. so despite having some sin that they all know he is struggling with they still acknowedged him and treated him as a man endowed with the wisdom of the words of God

You do err. So when one says, "he was received as President Jonathan," does that mean Jonathan is a title?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Think Jesus Christ Is A Human Beings Name by Boomark(m): 1:18am On Oct 25, 2014

Smh for sukkot and MIALYN for they err not knowing a simile(as).

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 12:36am On Oct 25, 2014

sukkot:

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 8:30pm On Oct 20, 2014

Ishilove:
My dear dont you know its a secret wedding? It is so secret that even i am not aware of it!

Na wa o, seems he married himself with your name. huh

My medulla obolonjata no fit shout.

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 12:39pm On Oct 20, 2014

Dapo777:
Bleep off!!!!! Do u think every news u read on the media is genuine? If u are too gullible stay off the media kid.

Bia this boy, I have single bone o, so mind how you talk to your uncle before i commit munder. angry

smh for children of nowadays.

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 10:07am On Oct 20, 2014

Ishilove:
seun and Ishilove are secretly getting married?

How surprising!

So did you do it? angry

Or with anybody whose name starts with 's' including sukkot? angry

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 9:58am On Oct 20, 2014

Dapo777:

Don't you know that such fake news can cause heart attract"? angry

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 7:53pm On Oct 19, 2014

Did i just see "seun and ishilove secret wedding exposed?"

Dapo777 spreading original fake news since AD 1050 BC. Smh for him.

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 7:43pm On Oct 19, 2014

MEILYN:
....... Am shaking my head for u too mehn.

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 12:24pm On Oct 19, 2014

sukkot:
Bookmark i troway salute

I hail brah, good to see you again. cheesy

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Christianity Etc › Re: Obadiah777 And The Seventeen Weeks by Boomark(m): 7:47am On Oct 19, 2014

LordReed:
He has come back as sukkot claiming 15th or 19th of this month as d-day for WW3. He claims the 17 weeks resulted in a war on Ebola LoL!

May be today will mark the beginning of war against rain...Dry season things. Or may be boko haram ceasefire.

But e dey for here sef.

Christianity Etc › Re: Obadiah777 And The Seventeen Weeks by Boomark(m): 4:51pm On Oct 18, 2014

LordReed:
Wish that thread wasn't lost, some of the details outlined ought to be happening by now.

It ended in September and i told him nothing will happen. I decided to give him October for free and resurrect it by November. But now it seems that thread was tsunamied by hackers.

Christianity Etc › Re: ww3 to heat up before end of may 2015 by Boomark(m): 4:28pm On Oct 18, 2014

Shaking my head for this drinker of intoxicating liquor like monkey tail. grin

And for his followers like Merlyn, etc who sips diluted liquor.

Christianity Etc › Re: The So Called Preaching Of "Holiness" by Boomark(m): 11:57am On Oct 18, 2014

shdemidemi:
That is where the mistake or the error is. We do not like free gifts as men, we like it the hard way. How does the gospel of the grace of God encourage licentiousness! It does not, it humbles man and put man in a position where he can look at God as a God of mercy.

All God is saying through grace is that you are not under any yoke to obey, but He wants you to obey out of your own volition. He will not save anyone because they are good, come to think of it- no one is good.

The only man(Job) that claimed to be good and upright spoke like a fool when his defences were broken down by God. The same God showed mercy to jacob even before he was born and hated Esau, two boys from the same womb. If we were to judge by works, Esau should be God's favourite but God chose that deceiver called Jacob by grace.

The prodigal son, how the father should have made him a servant when he arrived. But, no. He was celebrated by the father and the supposed good boy was not part of the feast when the time came cos he was offended. Works v grace.

By works the children of Israel could not get into the promise land but by faith the ones below maturity seized that land.

Sis, no man is perfect. We are all a WORK-IN-PROGRESS.

Have you considered Jacob as someone, who, when without knowledge can deceive and steal, but when receives the truth will remain committed to God. Have you also considered Esau as someone that will not make such commitment when he receives the truth. God knows what he saw in them.

Have you considered the prodigal son(bad boy) and his good brother? The bad boy forsook his evil works, returned and was celebrated as a son. The good one conceived evil works in his heart and was not part of the celebration. One does not live in iniquity and expect God to celebrate him as a son just because you made a confession faith.

It is very easy for the whole world to make such confession of faith and go back to their evil ways believing their faith have got them covered. Not all that call him Lord Lord will enter there but those who do the Will of the Father. You MUST do something. Calling him Lord is your faith alone but doing the will of the Father includes faith and good works.

It is Faith+GOOD work-in-progress not BAD work-in-progress or NO work-in-progress.

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