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italo:
Then go and fight St. Paul who said we are co-workers with God and we suffer for other men, completing what is lacking in Christ's ssuffering.

Or better still, you can remove Col1:24 I
and 2Cor6:1 from the Bible.

It is good you are now digressing . Am not interested in how much suffering you are suffering for your fellow man(non christians do this for their own people) or how you are a vibrant co-worker. What am interested in is in my Act 4:12 which says, "SALVATION IS FOUND IN NO ONE ELSE..." Not in you, not in Mary, and not in me. This is why we are on this thread.

You need simple understanding here to know that Paul quoted what God said Isa 49:8 and he is not in any way trying to make himself a saviour of the world. So don't force him or Mary into it.

2 Corinthians 6:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
6 As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 For he says,
“In the time of my favor I heard you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.” [ a ]
I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.

This is what the LORD says: "In the time of my favor I will answer you, and in the day of salvation I will help you; I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people, to restore the land and to reassign its desolate inheritances,

As for Col 1:24, no problem, Paul is suffering what Christ said he would suffer for his sake and for the church. That does not make him a saviour of the world.

Am glad I have blocked all mianda and escape route. . "Salvation is in no one else." brace yourself like a man and don't post anything that will seems like you are arguing blindly or that you are too willing to accept what Dominic said about Mary.

italo:
Col1:24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

Liar!

This is how it all started:
Acts 9:16
And I will show him how much he must suffer for my name's sake."

So if you think that it is because you are a church goer, then he will gladly stone you like he did in those day before he met Christ.

italo:
We are co-workers with Christ...for the salvation of the world.

If you don't like it, fight St. Paul.

Now at least after reading Isa 49:8 you gat to know that your quotes no join.

Abeg read this:
Act 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

As you can see, salvation is in no one else including the COWORKERS, PAPER SCAPULAR, PLASTIC CHAPLET, MARY, ITALO, BOOMY , SALC >:-( , etc. Your salvation hope as vibrant Co-worker has been dashed by this single verse.

Sorry o, I did not say that discourage you but you have to leave salvation of the world to Christ, Mary will be glad you did.

We owe our salvation to God, Rev 7:10, not to men or Co-workers.

italo:
Millerz, boomark, accountable,

2Cor6:1 As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 For he says,

“In the time of my favor I heard you,
    and in the day of salvation I helped you.”[a]
I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.

Col1:24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

Do you still say that we are not co-workers with Christ for the salvation of the world?

Then you have to scrap these verses from the bible, right?

Cc Empredboy

All your bible quote does not have anything to do will you, Mary or Paul, being the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD. That you are working for Christ does not and will not make you a saviour of the world. You cannot save yourself not to talk of saving the world, can you?

With respect to 2Cor 6:1-2, read Isa 49:8 to see the one who did the saying. Don't deceive people by making it look as if it is Paul's saying. Co-workers does not amount to Co-saviours. You can only do work but you don't have any power to save, that belongs to God, 1Cor 1:18. We have only one savour, Acts 5:31, there is no other.

Scapular and rosary salvation no join. It is just heart of those who are always willing to believe falsehood.

italo:
So what is Paul suffering for?

He is Suffering for the sake of christ his saviour. You can see this in that Col 1:24 you quoted.

italo:
24 Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

All Christians are co-workers with Christ for nothing else than the salvation of the world.

Paul was not suffering for the Church to win Ice Cream...but for its salvation.

You do err not knowing the difference between WORLD and CHURCH(body of Christ). I wonder when the body of Christ changed to become the world, Infact, you do err not knowing the scripture. We are all ears and eyes to know how Mary will save the World.

End time Pastors/church fathers suffer their voice to win something more than ice cream.

italo:
Jesus...and all Christians, especially Mary.

We are all co-workers with Jesus for the salvation of the world.

So you too will also save the world..."one day italo will save the world." It seems the saved are now claiming they will save the world. Smh for them and their catholic doctrine.

All Christians abi, even those that rejected idol worship(which includes praying rosary before a man made image of stone and wood) and every other form of worship that is not in the spirit?

Like accountable stated it, the prophecy neither include you nor Mary our beloved. And you can't force other christians into it as if you had the authority.

We only know one saviour of the world and he is Christ Jesus. If you think that you or Mary will still save the world one day, as if what Christ did and is still doing is not enough, brace yourself like a man and prove it.

truthislight:
Interesting! The above ^^^ have been around for sometimes now.
though am just seeing it, am surprised no one challenged it all this while.

My brother, no body would like to embarrass him or herself by challenging this...the truth.

They have resorted to saying, "wherever it is, it doesn't matter." I feel it will be wise for them to ask themselves the source of the wrong belief they had. They are the ones that will tell you that you need the spirit of God to open your eyes, even when they are not the truth.

The Kingdom of God(aka Kingdom of Heaven) is made up of the new heaven(s) and the new earth.
That you want to make "heaven" does not mean you will be living in the sky. It means that you will make the Kingdom of God which is also known as the kingdom of heaven. But lets see what the bible teaches about the kingdom with respect to the earth.
1. "He the true God, the Former of the earth... Who formed it even to be inhabited:...Isa 45:18. There is a reason for the creation of the earth. Even the new earth is made to be inhabited as we shall also see.
2. The meek shall possess the earth. Mt 5:5, Ps 37:11. This will certainly come and it will happen in this manner:
3. May your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it Is in heaven. Mt 6:10. What is been done in heaven? It Is Righteousness and it will be done in the same manner here on earth with perfection. For it says, "seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness... Mt 6:33. This is the will of God for man. And again, Peter wrote:
4. But there are new HEAVENS and A new EARTH that we are awaiting... And in THESE righteousness is to dwell. 2Pe 3:13. Remember, He did not create the earth for nothing but to be inhabited, Isa 45:18, and in it righteousness will dwell.
For those who think they will fly up during rapture, remain in heaven and never come down, don't be disappointed with these ones coming below...what happens in the end as Christ revealed it matters.
5. "... I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, COMING DOWN out of HEAVEN from God... Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them..." Rev 21:1-3.
6. And the nations will walk by means of its light, and the KINGS OF THE EARTH will bring glory into it. Rev 21:24. You can read though Rev 21 to see details.
So for those mocking the Jehovah's witnesses of wanting to possess the EARTH and all the sky scrapers, it seems the are right in their teaching and you are wrong. But at least you have gained knowledge that eluded you all these years. You don't have to wonder "how could this be?" it is always there but what you have been taught to believe made it so. Am not a "Jehovah's witness" but I witness for Jehovah. Every christian should or is witnessing for Jehovah unless you don't know the truth about what you are actually doing. Christ, the true witness, witnessed for Jehovah. Nothing will make these things wrong...if you think you have proof, brace yourself like a man and bring it on.

BERNIMOORE:
@ boomark, how are you, the comment you quoted and replied has been removed from the original post by the Mods, as it violates a nairaland rule, so you can continue your meaninful contribution on the thread, i seem to be very busy but will be back on the thread.

Boomark:
I don't want to waste time on you because you started in error. May be all you know are errors. So you need to start afresh, I mean, start by receiving Christ again and desiring to know him well by studying honestly.

Number 1, dishonesty always come in answering questions not in the asking. There is always an answer to every right or wrong question. It is only when one does not have answers or is confused by a question that one will start thinking a simple question is dishonest. How can? Smh for u small.
Now
"'Behold, I send My messenge, and he will prepare the way before Me.(Read Mt 11:10 for better understanding)And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight(after clearing the way, the Lord..., even the messenger of the new covenant is not John).Behold, He is coming,' says the LORD of hosts" ( Malachi 3:1).(the Is what Jehovah has said)
You FAILED again with your definition of Delusion, I wonder if it is what they taught you in schoolBesides your definition of delusion(no matter how sweet or chocolatey you want to make it look) is not the answer to my question. I asked a straightforward question. If you don't know it, say 'no idea.'

My brother am good and you?

I wonder when the dodgers of questions...Emusan, Johnw74 and co will understand that we are here to get the truth and not to defend any denomination with what we do not understand.

johnw74:
"Jehovah witness johnw74", oh boy legion are completely deluded, ....of course

This is not the answer to the questions I asked u. Besides the true witness, witness for Jehovah. If u are not on this side then you are witnessing for the devil or may be you don't exactly understand what you are doing.

MuttleyLaff:
I don't do insults, you've mistaken me for someone else

You've mistaken an honest observation to be insults

The only allies I know and have are those of the body of Christ. Don't know what you're talking about there

Truth is hard to face at times, I admit it can be a bitter pill to swallow at times too. I feel you bro.

https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
Get used to the bro endearment,


https://s27.postimg.org/j7eg0h42b/train.jpg
I call you bro, as we are on the same train going on journey to a common destination,
The obvious fact and truth is, you just are few carriages behind that's all...
No delusions

Bros I saw your replies.

This Jehovah witness johnw74 don give you plenty plenty names. Na wa o.

Emusan:
But you're dishonest in asking this question.

The messenger here is talking about John the Baptist not Jesus Christ.

Is John the Baptist an Angel?

Let me start with this:
Who is talking in this verse? It's Yahweh!
Then notice the wording "...my messenger, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME..."

Here the Speaker said the messenger will prepare the way for HIM not for another person.

Then who did John prepare way for? Jesus Christ! Going with this verse, Yahweh has come in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ fulfilling this promise.



Yes! But being a messenger of God does not make all the messengers of God an Angel.

Some human being are also God's messengers.



Let me answer this with this statement.

What is delusion?
Delusion is to believe that Jehovah FIRST CREATED Jesus Christ EVEN WHEN HEAVEN and ALL ITS Hosts are not yet created and Jesus Christ who enjoyed millions of years with His Father before heaven itself where ANGELS dwell was created later used to create ALL THE ANGELS (which Michael was actually included) and can still be part of what He Himself created.

Lastly, do you believe that Jesus Christ in His prehuman was created before heaven itself?

Let me give you clue so that you'll know where I'm going.
All creations by default need SPACE to occupy that's why God has to create Heaven for Angels to dwell and Earth for man and only God occupies/dwells in ETERNITY.

I don't want to waste time on you because you started in error. May be all you know are errors. So you need to start afresh, I mean, start by receiving Christ again and desiring to know him well by studying honestly.

Number 1, dishonesty always come in answering questions not in the asking. There is always an answer to every right or wrong question. It is only when one does not have answers or is confused by a question that one will start thinking a simple question is dishonest. How can? Smh for u small.

Now
"'Behold, I send My messenge, and he will prepare the way before Me.(Read Mt 11:10 for better understanding) And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple, even the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight (after clearing the way, the Lord..., even the messenger of the new covenant is not John). Behold, He is coming,' says the LORD of hosts" ( Malachi 3:1). (the Is what Jehovah has said)

You FAILED again with your definition of Delusion, I wonder if it is what they taught you in school Besides your definition of delusion(no matter how sweet or chocolatey you want to make it look) is not the answer to my question. I asked a straightforward question. If you don't know it, say 'no idea.'

johnw74:
your dishonesty is severe, you don't adress the subject, but change it
because you cannot admit you are wrong

Please answer these questions honestly.

1. Do you agree that Jesus is a Messenger of God? E.g. "'Behold, I send My messenger,... And the Lord, whom you seek,... the Messenger of the covenant,... says the LORD of hosts" (full details at Malachi 3:1). Rev 1:1, God gave him a message to deliver to us of things to come(this is true no matter who finally deliver the message to us).

2. Do you agree that Angels are messengers of God?

3. Do you agree that in 1 and 2, Jesus and the Angels are messengers of God, doing similar work for God at different levels?

Use a Yes or No answer before adding your reasons. A 'Yes and No' answer is not allowed. Do not start by telling us how Jesus christ is God, use bible verses about messenger and, or Angels to support your submission.

Would like to hear from MuttleyLaff too.

oprajo:
that statement is after the rapture and the second coming.
2 corinthians 5:8
WE ARE CONFIDENT YES WELL PLEASED RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THIS BODY (REFERRING TO PHYSICAL DEATH) AND TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD

Which statement and is there anything wrong with what I said? My post you quoted is just after few posts above.

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Apitch:
Of course u r welcome on board

Good to see my bros here.

An Australian man believes the Shroud of Turin proves he is the second coming of Jesus Christ – and he says the Vatican is convinced, too.
Before we go any further, we have to explain what the shroud of Turin is. The Shroud of Turin is a length of linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have suffered physical trauma in a manner consistent with crucifixion. Many believe that the image on the shroud is that of Jesus.

Follow the jump to see the comparison between this man’s face and the shroud of Turin + other reasons the man believes he is indeed Jesus Christ.
Brian Leonard Golightly Marshall lives in Toogoom, Queensland, about 300 kilometres north of Brisbane, and claims to be the reincarnation of Jesus. The 71-year-old man has published a number of images and videos he claims prove he is the image seen on the Shroud of Turin – a religious artifact that many believe bears the image of Jesus.
The Shroud of Turin: modern photo of the face, positive (left), digitally processed image (right).
Mr Marshall has recorded hundreds of videos where he preaches in a heavy Australian accent while wearing a Hawaiian shirt, to his growing flock of followers. In the catalogue of bizarre videos and writings, he repeatedly mentions the scars on his hands and feet from where Jesus was nailed to the cross, while also declaring himself to be the ‘most holy man’.

Mr Marshall also shared a letter he said was sent to him by Pope Benedict, which refers to him directly as ‘Jesus Christ reincarnated’. “You see, many days ago Mr Brian Marshall sent me photographs of Him and the Most Holy Shroud of Turin – He actually looks so much like that of the Holy Image on the Shroud,” the alleged letter from Pope Benedict reads.
The alleged letter from Pope Benedict continues reading: “There is no other explanation. He is simply the Lord Jesus Christ Almighty! I was so penetrated with love and compa$$ion from God that I requested a photo the I saw to be put in a place of honour somewhere. He is the Most Royal Man Alive, The King of Kings… The Messiah, Almighty and Everlasting. Have Faith in Him.’

The Shroud Of Turin (Top Right) VS Mr. Marshall (Everywhere else)
In addition to the letter, Mr Marshall stated former Pope Benedict planned to officially proclaim him the second coming in March, 2013, only to have the announcement foiled by Pope Francis, who he refers to as ‘the anti-Christ’.

Mr. Marshall has already starting building a core following even extending as far as the United States, where one man has been convinced into abandoning his family, selling his home and moving to Australia to be with Mr Marshall.

Source:
http://proudlyweb.com/this-man-is-convinced-he-is-jesus-christ-already-gaining-followers-must-see-photos/

It seems those who bow down to images now have a human being to bow to.

Lalasticlala
Ishilove my love

jnrbayano:
Take for instance,

If I have the fore-knowledge of a plot to assassinate someone on Monday en route to work (I eavesdropped on the plotters) and advised that target should either stay put at home or take another route, if he heed and thus remain alive:

I delivered him from that danger. No?

No! You gave him information as an 'informer.' If this is deliverance then some gossip girls are doing a nice job. Humans and some fortune tellers can do this deliverance thing.

I wonder the kind of brain this people have. One told me this morning that the donkey Saul was riding on spoke on his way to persecute Stephen(to damascus). I told him it was Balam not Saul. He said i should go and read my bible well.

When i read where it happened in numbers, he continued saying i should go and read my bible well that this Jehovah's witness i go to will not help me(i don't attend their meetings) and he left the room. Giving tolotolo a cow leg has always been their problem...mixing up things they don't understand.

Ubenedictus:
sarah is not the heavenly Jerusalem. The heavenly Jerusalem is our mother. But sarah didn't give birth to Jesus with any birth pangs.
Sorry.

We(Paul and I) are talking about spiritual things, not things of the flesh or of carnal reasoning.

Galatians 4:21-26 Revised Standard Version (RSV)

The Allegory of Hagar and Sarah

21 Tell me, you(Ubenedictus ) who desire to be under law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, the son of the free woman through promise. 24 Now this is an allegory: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.


The "Promise" is spiritual(not about Isaac from Sarah)

The "Seed" is spiritual(not about Isaac)

The "Woman" who gave birth in pains is spiritual, Rev 12.

Christ became her Seed in spirit.

We became the remaining of her Seed through the spirit, Rev 12:17.

The relationship between woman(Our mother, Jerusalem above), Christ(Seed) and Us(Seed) through the "Promise" is spiritual not carnal(ie no carnal input).

This is how they should be doing it(teaching) for you guys and not mixing up things which only brings confusion. So no body is saying Sarah is the heavenly Jerusalem. She(who is of the flesh) symbolically corresponds to it(which is of the spirit).

Ubenedictus:
In the old testament Sarah represents the new Jerusalem which was to come, but sarah is not the person experiencing birth pang giving birth to Jesus.

Stop playing with scriptures

Gal 4:6 Says, the Jerusalem which IS above is free. She IS our Mother. Does this look like something that will happen in the future, something yet to become?

You don't have to wait for Rome before you agree. She IS your mother.

Stop misinterpreting the scriptures.

Ubenedictus:
delusion will be the person saying Sarah suffered birth pang when bearing Jesus! We all know sarah didn't bear Jesus. That was an unsucessful attempt to dribble God's word.

Gal 4:6
New International Version
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.

New Living Translation
But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother.

You cannot understand or know these things until you flee from delusion.

To start the flight, first, you must stop bowing and kneeling to images of different people who you call Jesus. Same with Mary and others you don't even know.

I flashed my Nokia Asha 200 recently but whenever i want to download Facebook mobile it keeps telling me "Secure connection not available." I even restored its factory settings today but still no show. Please i need you guys help.

A God is OLDER than a God. Such foolishness is only found in your doctrine. God is the father of the Holy Spirit abi? Show me a scripture to prove that. While at it..Who is this scripture referring to? [size=16pt]Now the Lord is that Spirit:[/size] and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.2 Corinthians 3:17

Where did you see "A God is OLDER than a God" in my post? Always using lies to evade questions.

Answer my question first then we can go over to your own. I know how much you fear my questions. Brace yourself like a man....

What is the meaning of "I and My Father are one"? use scriptures to prove yourself. Man-made trinity doctrine will fail you so use scriptures. Please do not digress.

Bidam:
. MAN MADE ideology. I will keep posting the truth since it offends your religious spirits. We have One God in 3 persons. God is uncreated( The Father). Jesus ( God the son) Created the World. The Holy Spirit( God) is active in all creation. This is the mystery of the trinity. They are coequal and co eternal and they all agree. For through Him ( Jesus not the church) we ( church) have access to the Father by ONE SPIRIT( Holy Spirit) eph 2:18.

Note: Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The church is NOT God. That is the co equality and co eternal we meant. ALL this is proven in scriptures.

So it has gotten to the level of calling scriptural quote man made ideology? We know that there are 3 Gods are One God blah blah. So Go and handle the true meaning of "I and My Father are one" as seen in 1Cor 6:17. That is a threat to your trinity false teaching of co-equality. It made a mess of it. Stop dodging it.

God the Father is the Father of spirits, Heb 12:9. Out of Him are all spirits. He is that One spirit, Eph 4:4.

Bidam:
Yes Jesus already said He is ONE WITH GOD( In John 10:30, Jesus said that "I and my Father are one."...) using your so called "objective human analogy".. i am not one with my biological Father.My dad cannot impose his will on me.which explains what PAUL THE apostle says here :"Thought it not robbery to be equal with God.". Which is in perfect HARMONY with the OT scripture of ONE GOD called YHWH or YAHWEH=JEHOVAH: Means, Self-existent One (Ex.3:14) For Jesus claim of I AM is sufficient.

I have told you once upon a time that you must start afresh. The afresh is a must.

1 Corinthians 6:17
But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

John 17:21-22
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one.

John 10:30
"I and my Father are one."

Read the bolded carefully. Oneness means unity. That is why it is true even for husband and wife. It does not mean one Yahweh, God or co-equality. Trinity doctrine has failed with its lies and will continue to fall your hand.

Jesus and the Father are one. We all are one just as Jesus and the Father are one. We are also one with the Lord....No lies, no twisting, no importation of co-equality, plain truth backed by the scripture. If you don't understand it, start afresh.

DickDastardly:
Your type in islam make up isis, alshabab, bokoharam etal
Always annoyingly senseless.
Go to hell!

those who believe nonsense because they are catholics are giving you likes and your head dey swell.

Catholics(haibe) should go and tell boko haram/Muslim community that their pope didn't mean what he said. Pope punch cos of a woman, boko/some Muslim kill because of a man(they too have stated their limit). Chickens of the same feather encouraging one another.

quivah:
oh I wasn't referring to the olodo thing, it was purely a joke.. but calling me a gold digger all I cause my post doesn't satisfy you
.. labbish ! now suggesting I exchange my whatever with your common change speaks of how much a person you are... cause I made a comment that dragged me to your kinda regular girl

lol, smh!. i see you are keen on defending that.. I leave you to your hypocrisy

#have a nice evening

ok o, mine too na joke. Common change? Don't worry, when i pull my ride(s) now you will change your mind and become my best friend. But if i notice any atom of gold digging, na divorce straight away.

Good evening too to you dear.

quivah:
now lets stop the joke and hypocrisy here..

we both know that's a human thing.. there are some categories of people you can't associate with till you meet their standards.. and I'm not talking about relationship stuffs here.. that was why I tagged it as a human thing. whether you deny it or not, its a human thing.

now, that I'm having this convo with you gives you no right to call me names or bring whatever crazy suggestions you have in your head.. I'm not one of your regular girls.
I made my point, make yours and stop battling with mine..
#nuffsaid

Who gave you the right to call me olodo in the first place? Abi your human nature didn't tell you that you did it first with smiles on your face. Odolo is just to reciprocate the gesture.

I have also made my point. There is no standard you are meeting when a guy did not ask you for money but got embarrassed, only for you to start meeting the standard few minutes after when you saw him cruising. Yea it is a human thing for some humans to be controlled by money.