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honeychild:
it's called reading the Bible as a cohesive whole. NOT CHERRY PICKING but accepting everything it says. This debate is actually quite silly. And as far as I can see the "FAITH ONLY" proponents are just looking for an excuse to continue in their sinful lifestyle. Like the COZA pastor, you want to exist in a new level of grace. Jesus has one answer for such:
"Get away from me, you WORKERS of iniquity!"

Anyone who wants to read the Bible as a cohesive whole will come to a simple conclusion: You needo FAITH in Jesus Christ to come into a relationship with God. But you need works of holiness and righteousness to REMAIN in that relationship.

Good works alone cannot save. BUT FAITH, along with works of iniquity will certainly not save either.

Beautifully said.

The confusion lies in not understanding what the "predestined" means.

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EfemenaXY:
This thread isn't real.

Miss! since you flyed to the moon, seeing you becamed a problem.

shdemidemi:
List the things you know he came to do if you really want to know who he is. By the time you sincerely list some of those things, you will gradually realize it takes only God to achieve such task. None of the patriarchs nor prophet could achieve the fit.

Why not list all those things that made you believe what you believe. I may not be reasoning in your direction. List all and i will summarize it for you in one sentence or two.

nomabeeee:
and dt is simply ur own opinion..we re all here to learn.let's hear frm odas too.thanks

You are welcome.

nomabeeee:
full of errors then correct the errors bro.infact where re the errors..

Having the knowledge of God includes knowing how to conduct yourself in his presence.

5-the word of God-deutronomy 32 vs 51..

I will pick this out of all the errors. The thing that you teach is the opposite of what it should be. Read Levi 10:1-2, Num 14, 20:7-14, to see cost of not being familiar with the nature of God.

This teaching is for unserious people to keep being unserious. Smh for Gombs.

shdemidemi:
I completely agree that being a prophet among many other hireling roles to the nation of Israel was administered to Him. Saying that, Is this all you think He came into this world to do or is there a few more that could only be achieved but by a righteous God?

Bro do you want me to list All he came to do or did? If there is any that is not the will of the Father, then point it out.

adonbilivit:
i believe you

Better donbilivit. Full of errors due unfamiliarity with knowledge.

The knowledge of God and of Christ means everlasting life.

shdemidemi:
^^^ my question.. Why did Jesus Christ come into this world?

Deut 18:15-19
15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’
17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.
Col 1:19-20
19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

He came to do the will of God, the Father. To speak all that God commanded him(Word of God), to reconcile us to God(mediator), etc.

shdemidemi:
How assuming and condescending can one get! A simple question was asked, you refuse to answer only to counter with disdain comments about KJV as a whole. I am not arguing trinity with you, all I want to expose you to is the person of Christ.

May be if we know why Christ came, why he had to leave and his role as the king forever, we will understand his divinity beyond him just being a man.

You should focus on whose will it is for him to come, to leave and to be king forever. You should focus on knowing his God, the One that subjected all things to him, the only One he is subject to, the One who it pleases to fill him with His fullness, the One that gave him authority to exercise. His head, his God.

You cannot know the Christ (the Anointed) when you don't know the Anointer.

This means everlasting life, the knowledge of the only True God and of Christ whom He sent.

Those telling you that you can't know God or even understand what was written, wants that knowledge to elude you.

I wanted to ask someone question on Phil 2:5-11 to expose the error in his EQUALITY believe, but the spirit of not gaining knowledge brought the everything to an end with immediately effect. I wasn't going to teach but just want to ask questions.

That you have strong faith on something does not make it true.

sonmvayina:
who was writing it down?

Your great grand father...Moses.

I AM Boomark. And I AM in need of answers to my questions that has been ignored. I believe lots of people here now know who I AM.

Ukutsgp:
tongue can be any language that does nt exist here on earth. It is only the interpreter that can fathom it.

language has a pattern, an orderly combination of different words to form sentences. Noise has it own pattern, a disorderly combination of what i can't tell to form what i don't know.

We are looking at the way it happened in the scripture not what people are thinking is a language in the heaven they have not visited. Which one will you believe, the scripture or human imaginations?

The Apostles did not chant anything that does not exist here on earth. They spoke languages existing here on earth and it was called Tongue.

JesusisLord85:
Lol hypocrite, who came to my thread to raise an unrelated issue only too recently.

Bidam. Gird up thy loins like a man, for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me

CANTICLES:
Check these two statements : Catholics and Protestants Says " We have one God, the trinity" .... But Scriptures says " We have one God, the Father" 1cor 8:5,6 !!! Soo Diferentttttt, Wow! The Early Christians Obey Christ Instruction To True Worshippers, "WORSHIP THE FATHER" JOHN 4:23 ! Not som absurd 4th century trinity invention, True Christians Worship "Only The Father" John 4:23, Do you even know the personal name of the Father ?? ( Psalm 83:18 And Exodus 6:3, open ur bible and read)

Nice points. They love to profess the opposite of the truth.

sonmvayina:
Here is a question for us..who was talking to who in genesis chapter 1..let us make man........?

God was talking to those in heaven.

The same way our humble God told Abraham what He intends to do to Sodom and Gomorrah. I believe those in heaven where told too.

shdemidemi:
Don't just talk for the sake of it- take time to check what I am saying to you as well. I am not saying you must agree but take time to check without taking any preconceived idea in to the word.

1 cor 10v9

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them(speaking of the nation of Israel) also tempted(tempted who? God), and were destroyed of serpents.
Reference -
Numbers 21
6 And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

Abraham was tried/tempted by God

Hebrews 11
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,


I hope you will take time to go check properly this time.

New International Version
We should not test Christ, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes.

New Living Translation
Nor should we put Christ to the test, as some of them did and then died from snakebites.

English Standard Version
We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents,

New American Standard Bible
Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents.

King James Bible
Neither let us tempt[b] Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Let us not [b]test Christ as some of them did and were destroyed by snakes.

International Standard Version
Let's stop putting the Lord to the test, as some of them were doing, and were destroyed by snakes.

NET Bible
And let us not put Christ to the test, as some of them did, and were destroyed by snakes.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Neither should we tempt The Messiah as some of them tempted and serpents destroyed them.

I told you the difference between test and tempt which was translated from the same Greek word.

Now from you from your view point, tell us why James did not contradict the scripture by saying God cannot be tempted by evil nor does he tempt any man. Remember he tempted Abraham.

Bidam:
I am done with you here Jw.

Boomark:
Never ever wanting to accept that am not a JW. I know you will still call me that again sometime in the future to attract sympathizers. Why do you like the truth to always elude you? Like you have been programmed to run away and start afresh when your getting close to grabbing a single truth.

A religious fellow who could not tell me why Christ (deity) has a God (the Father), Rev 3:12, the same way we do, Jn 20:17.

Thinking faculty must have disappeared by now, brace yourself.

www.nairaland.com/1918878/issue-tithe#26634005

When i wrote those things, i was certain of what i wrote and that it must come to pass.

They prefer to unconsciously make Jesus a lier than know the truth and change their ways. This would have been the beginning of the end of all your Trinity doctrine taught you about Col 2:5-11. That notwithstanding, you must start afresh positively.

No honest child of God will run from knowing the truth.

Bidam:
Keep misrepresenting scriptures to your destruction..Why twist what was clearly spelt out in the word of God?...John 1:1 has cancelled all your errors here.

keep quoting scriptures you don't understand.

If i should ask you questions on Phil 2:5-11, you will see how your doctrine made Jesus a lier.

Why not Brace yourself for me so the world will know the truth. I believe if you an honest child of God you would want to know.

PastorKun:
Even your explanation here does not explain the concept of trinity apart from the fact that as is common of trinitarian, you forgot to mention the third person in your triumvirate.

You use the phrase "triune god" freely. question is have you ever come across such a pagan inspired heresy in your bible If so, kindly quote one single passage in the whole bible referring to God as a triune god.

No mind am. None of them has a reasonable definition of trinity. Its just in their imaginations.

sonmvayina:
Here is a question for us..who was talking to who in genesis chapter 1..let us make man........?

To those in heaven.

shdemidemi:
I don't know what you are talking about but do not let ego come in the way of knowledge, go and study these things properly. James was speaking about a temptation or trial arising from within, from uncontrolled appetite to do evil or general evil passions and not a trial from without/outside.

Go and study your yoruba language stress and you will understand.

I hope you saw how you are running from the subject? Later you will tell me it is ego. You are sitting on a contradictory time bomb.

See what we are looking at before the digression. It says, "God cannot be tempted BY evil (it could be internal, external, or devilish evil), nor does He Himself tempt anyone (internal or external), James 1:13.

Almost all temptation start from what we see or know. You cannot desire or be enticed by an abstract imaginations or what you don't know. That is how it starts, for v14.

All temptations would lead to sin and from sin, death. James 1:15. Abraham was tested and was not allowed to sin. Would you mind telling us how the Israelites tempted God?

shdemidemi:
How does it remain that, because you say so?

No, because the way such word was used made it so.

In Akwa(egg), Akwa(bed), etc. Try Oko(stone) in yoruba and you will see what am talking about.

Bidam:
On the contrary you are the one who is deluded from the doctrines of JW here. Or didn't you read in your bible that Jesus being God didn't consider it robberry to be EQUAL with God

You err, not understanding a simple advice (let this mind be in you...), Col 2:5. Not knowing he is a Mighty God (form of God) who in his humbled position did not consider it robbery to be equal with God (remember form of God).

Not knowing that the Father is the head of Christ. Even after exaltation to a higher position he remained SUBJECT to the Father, 1Cor 15:27-28. "For the Father is GREATER than I," he said, to the glory of God the Father, Col 2:11.

If you know what you are putting your faith in, start by telling us the likely period he considered being EQUAL with God the Father. Don't run o! Be bold.

shdemidemi:
I don't think you are one with a mind opened to learn.

My brother, the Greek word for test and tempt is 'pierazo', now go check it and come back.

Cognate: 3986peirasmós(from 3985/peirázō) –temptation or test– both senses can apply simultaneously(depending on the context). The positive sense ("test" and negative sense ("temptation" are functions of the context (not merely the words themselves).

It still remains that God cannot be tempted.

See teacher jmoore.

One God. Each person is not a God which would make 3 Gods (this means Jesus alone cannot be called God).

When you read down you see:
Son, Called God: Jn 1:1, 14, Col 2:9.

Smh. Men struggling with words to prove their imaginations.

shdemidemi:
Put it this way, may be you might get where and how to read what Jesus represented and how he was projected in the four gospels.

In the books of Matthew, Mark and Luke we have what we call the Synoptic Gospels, and they deal primarily with His humanity side. In other words, Matthew depicts Him as King Who would one day rule on David's throne as a human King. He came up through the genealogy of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and down that royal family of David.

In Mark He's depicted as the Servant, and everything that He does shows His willingness to be a Servant, and again from His human side.

Then Luke depicts Him as the Son of Man

All of the above is where you seem to pitch your tent.



Then John comes along and depicts Him as the Son of God in His Deity. You will find that a lot of the things that are covered in the Synoptic Gospels are not mentioned in John. John did not use that word 'son' of the believer, he reserves the title of the son for the Lord, instead he used child.

You will only understand all the above and more when you know whose glory he reflects. Not his glory but the glory of God. The glory of the One who filled him with his fullness and spirit. He made him Lord and king. All things came from the Father, His God. This should be the stepping stone to knowing why he(Christ) is what he is.

shdemidemi:
You need to go and check what james meant by God cannot be tempted so as not to quote out of context.

James said God cannot be tempted with evil and he himself tempted no man. If we do not understand the context at which James spoke, it would seem like a contradiction because God tempted Abraham and He himself was tempted by the Israelites.


Like I said to you earlier, Jesus was in the womb of Mary, he grew like you and I would. The bible also said in wisdom and stature. He prayed like you and I would, he was also baptised like an ordinary man, he died. HE HAD A HUMAN SIDE.. Which makes him a man.

He also has a divine side to Him. He is good, he is righteous one, he is the anointed, he is the Messiah, He is the Word, He is perfect, He is the visible image of an invisible God, he lives forever et al.. He had so much qualities that cannot be acquired by no man or angel.

He is God.

Go and study the difference between test and temptation. From what you wrote above, there is no remedy to that contradiction from James. That is how you guys teach contradictory doctrines with impunity.

I believe you now know the one that died? Not the Trinity God(3 persons inseparable), not the Almighty God but Christ(Mighty God).

And don't make it look as if the God part of Jesus is not functional or incomplete as a man. Read Hebrew 5:7 again. It says, "...He offered prayers TO THE ONE WHO WAS(IS) ABLE TO SAVE HIM FROM DEATH, and was heard because of his godly fear." That One is his God and Father, our God and Father, Jn 20:17.

Please tell us why Christ (deity) has a God (the Father), Rev 3:12, the same way we do, Jn 20:17 and remained subject to his God, 1Cor 15:27-28?

I asked this^ question and you gave me the answer below.

shdemidemi:
Now, whenever Jesus refer to His father or His God, He presents Himself as God the son. However, this does not take away all the divine attributes predicated on Him like none other.

So since he has a God the same way we do, it means that you are telling us from your answer that we present ourselves as God the children by referring by saying the Father is our God.

Is this the reason "Why" we have a God, to present ourselves as God the children or even God the son for an individual. Does this answer why we are His subjects, the same as Christ?

Bidam:
You are still saying trash..trust me this is bigger than you. Any christianity that starts on the premise of an arguement is no christianity. As far as am concerned you don't know who God is.

Stop trusting in the imaginations of men. Christ wants us to have the knowledge of the only true God, Jn 17:3. That means everlasting life.

If they tell you it bigger than you and that you can't know it, remember it means everlasting life. Break free from their delusion and get knowledge.

Love you.

shdemidemi:
You come across like my 6 year old whom I am having difficulty explaining the spiritual angle of scriptures to. Jesus was not just man, he is God. Meaning he was man God or God man while he was with men on earth. He came for a purpose, his mission was for a good God to die for the salvation of mankind.

Jesus was not born like you and I who need a man and a woman in a bedmatic mode to be formed. Mary was privileged to carry a baby that was attached to her supernaturally. Jesus grew like a man will grow, he died like men die but that same body could not be held down by death, He rose without seeing corruption meaning his body did not decay like that of David, Joseph or mary who were part of his lineage according to the flesh.

God died on the cross, and that was the price only God could pay to redeem man back to Himself. None other could have done it, the price had to be paid by a good and righteous God.

I believe here your God=3 persons=One God(inseparable).

You err greatly not knowing the scripture, not knowing what is what and things that are not, not knowing how to link or separate things that are not linked. You can't explain what you don't know. You will always experience difficulty and lack of words.

God cannot be tempted but Jesus(God) was tempted. You don't know the difference between the one that cannot be tempted and the one that was tempted. One is greater, the head, and God of the other. They are not equal.

Hebrew 5:7
While Jesus was here on earth, he offered prayers and pleadings, with a loud cry and tears, to the one who could rescue him from death. And God heard his prayers because of his deep reverence for God.

You err not knowing that the God of Gods(the Father) who saved Jesus(mighty God) from death cannot die. You err greatly not knowing that God Himself did not die to bring us to Himself, Col 1:19-20. That's the gravity of the enormous error in your imagined Trinity doctrine. That is the error you and millions are exercising faith in.

Start now to study about the God of Gods, the God Abraham and Jesus Christ, Acts 3:13. He has no equal, He cannot be tempted, He cannot die.

Bidam:
neither will they know nor understand..i read, eat and talk scriptures everyday. It is inside of me, just like i am inside the Father.

Whatever should be inside you should be something that is written and exist, not some abstract imaginations. The truth about the only True God and of our Lord Jesus Christ is written. Go and search for it cos Christ wanted us to knowledge, Jn 17:3. Remove all abstract imaginatives thoughts that have taken hold of you.