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@Pastor and Abijan

Hebrews 5:12-13
New Living Translation (NLT)
12 You have been believers so long
now that you ought to be teaching
others. Instead, you need someone
to teach you again the basic things
about God’s word. You are like
babies who need milk and cannot
eat solid food. 13 For someone
who lives on milk is still an infant
and doesn’t know how to do what
is right.

If a pastor should tell me that he is still taking milk, infact....

Milk is for new convert, those who don't know how to do right as Christians. The words of righteousness they were taught, they don't do it.

Before you start misunderstanding me, know that Christians are declared righteous first by their faith(ie agreement to follow Christ). Now when ignore righteousness or do the opposite, do you think Christ will count you as one that ACTS like him?

Stumbling and pressing towards righteousness in every deed(this chewing bone due to our nature) is different from drinking milk(remaining in not doing what is right) in some areas and chewing bone in few other areas.

So tell me are you both and others still drinking milk?

frosbel: I certainly never saw or experienced Christ in you -

Most of what i have seen in Olaadegbu are lies, dodging honest questions, calling and a little truth.

As for Abijan abi Ajiban that said something about secret, if Christ is a secret believer, you will not know him not to talk of following his footsteps cos it will be hidden from you.

Why people where following Christ was because they saw what he was doing. When people see you, they will say, "these are Christians and i like them," and they will follow you. With that you have led someone to Christ.

Making disciples of all nations is not by just preaching. Let your character be the first to preach and they will easily follow you when you approach them.

Am not against the rcc meditating to receive miracles but they should know that a Buddhist monk will meditate and receive miracles he craves for with his chaplet, same with the Muslims. You also see people practice 'Out of the Body' meditation (Extra Sensory Perception, etc) and it works for them. Even those in occult use the bible to perform their rituals.

In the light of the above, i will say that even if you pray to Job and meditate on poverty, then poverty will show you that Job did not do his Masters in poverty education. The same goes to praying and meditating on the brazen serpent for healing.

Those who are wise will know that satan and his demons are out to draw us away from God even if it means coming as the angel of light.

To avoid where it say "they pray to me but their hearts are far from me," it is better to go to God through Christ for this is the perfect will of God, "that we should be reconciled back to God through Christ." Our Lord will not send those who do the will of God back to Mary, for he say, "he is the way...and no one goes to the Father except through him.

If you catholics sing praises or pray 100 decades of rosary to Mary daily because of 2 verses of greetings to her, then considering all the Psalms in thousands where praises to God was sang as He is making name for Himself, the catholics Must praise God with 100 trillion decades of His personal rosary everyday to avoid cheating.

Remember you can cast out demons and perform miracles in his name or whatever meditation you choose, but when he say "begone from me you workers of iniquity," that is final. That is if the Father is not pleased because you did not follow His will. You are on your own if you did not follow what Christ told us to do, for all he heard from the Father he told us.

His zeal is for the will of God to be done on earth and in heaven not the miracle you are getting from the so called powerful meditation you are performing.

Enigma: ^^^ Like I have time for your "argument! lol

You do not have time but you quote my post which was not directed to you.. Na so.

Anyway, for the benefit of those whom it will benefit:

Roman Catholic Church: "For, it must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved ...."

versus

Jesus Christ: "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved ..."

The way you dealt with him left him dumbfounded with just a simple scripture. He will prefer to stay on topic at this point than follow the truth.

Yes! it is happening but partial. I wonder were the moon is hiding. In Anambra.

My annoyance is that my uncle will say that i have given them 2 fake news since i visited them. On Eglets and Eclipse

Since technology has failed them, I am reporting using my traditional eye and a bucket of water that supersede every technology at the moment...

The moon is nowhere found close to the sun else it will be assumed it has begun is some other states. There will be no eclipse today. Everybody should go home or wherever.

I forget to add that the previous eclipse were made in obodo oyibo(predicted by onye ocha), this one is local made.

Live from Anambra. SMH!!!

The worst is that the moon is no where found close to the sun in Anambra. Was the prediction about eclipse of the Night?

Logicboy03: 1) There should be awards in different categories. Last year, I lost to Goshen because there was only one award- religion poster of the year award. Goshen is someone that can not comment outside christianity and last year was the year of atheism. Imagine how odd it is that someone like Goshen had that award. A christian like Anony should have won it at least- someone who could relate to both atheists and christians.

So an award for
-best sermon (christian)
-best christian poster (christian)
-best atheist/non-religious poster
-best non-religious sermon/thread
-Overall religion section poster.

2) The votes should have a limit. Seeing as last year, I would have won if the time limit was not stretched....giving Toba (Goshen's campaign manager) enough time to rally christians against an atheist winning. #butthurt.

Do you want to count about a thousand votes manually? That is what about 2 or more weeks can get you if the electipns are interesting and polarized

3 days is enough. The days for voting should be announced in advance


3) Ballot style elections. one person one vote

I gave you 5 years ban on all awards. You should start campaign for yourself by 2026. Calculate it, if it is more than 5 years, no problem, that is when you should be hopeful.

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I wonder why non of them thanked Paulbel for bringing this to limelight, abi they don't like the truth in that statement?

pastor prosper :
Bookmark I do that every now and then. All I have to me is my name and a blessed congregation. Well I have warned u all as instructed, you can continue running your mouth, hell awaits d disobedient, read this thread well I addresseed, this matter to d best of my ability. Anti christs, church haters, and pastors haters, over to u. By d way bookmark no one forced you to tithe and whether or not u choose to millions of stains all over d world do and churches xtains and pastors are propsering without your sorry change for tithes. Shalom u all. Cheers to the weekend.

Good to know that you sold all you had and gave to the poor, but it will be wrong for you not to teach your congregation (those tithe payers) to sell all they have and give to the poor. The command is not limited to some person. Do you teach them to sell all they have and give to the poor? Answer please.

When their is nothing to disobey, how can hell await me? Unless you are full of conviction in a command that does not exist, at least to Christians. I don't speak against any pastor, i speak against false teachings/doctrines. If you feel your pastor is one of them, then it is not my fault.

After running my mouth, it turned out that my mouth ran the truth. But why would someone in error call me anti-, disobedient, hell hopeful son of God.

Hello P, I am a priest of God Almighty according to the promise which is in our Lord Jesus. I am anointed too. touch not my anointed will not save you. We are vehemently touching and condemning all lies, to correct those who might be misled.

Boomark: Good to know that you sold all you had and gave to the poor, but it will be wrong for you not to teach your congregation (those tithe payers) to sell all they have and give to the poor. The command is not limited to some person. Do you teach them to sell all they have and give to the poor? Answer please.

When their is nothing to disobey, how can hell await me? Unless you are full of conviction in a command that does not exist, at least to Christians. I don't speak against any pastor, i speak against false teachings/doctrines. If you feel your pastor is one of them, then it is not my fault.

I don't like it when they dodge important questions, but they will be quick to threaten people with what they don't want to understand. SMH!!!

Bidam: What agreement has sons of God with sons of belial?What concord has sons of Abraham with king of sodom?

Give me my 90%. Follow the footsteps of Abraham pay me. Our agreement is based on what he gave to Eshcol and co.

I have something on the kingdom principles for you. It is not about storing food you wrote somewhere else.

swtchicgurl:
It's a shame you both mis-understood me. I don't recieve tithe because I am not in the position to do so. I PAY TITHE, thereby honouring God's commandment. 'Nuf said.

Stay blessed friends.

Hmm... Whenever they want to run away from my questions, they will just say anything. Am not against your paying tithe. Go and do more studies my friend.

OLAADEGBU: Don't be supercillious. You should rather say that your pride will not allow you to miss anything. Your confidence in those erroneous "Awake" magazines is what is shutting you up from the truth. And thanks for confirming that you don't believe in the deity of Christ but don't come here to deceive us that you believe in Jesus Christ who you don't even know.

"Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" (Romans 1:32).



If you are truly blessed along with Abraham then do what Abraham did to receive the blessing.



This is why I said you shouldn't be a mountebank. You want to partake in my 90% just as Judas Iscariot wasn't comfortable with how the woman gave her most expensive treasure in washing Jesus' feet, he would rather she used it on the poor, just as you mountebanks are gagging for here.

"Then said one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 'Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?' This he said not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein" (John 12:4-6).



Why didn't you come out straight that it was my 90% you wanted, Mr. alligator?

I know you will always hold unto things that are irrelevant. I simply asked for the objections, but you failed.

Do you actually know what a deity means? Your brothers were busy telling me that there is One God and He is the Only True God, all other Gods are false Gods. And I asked, "Who is the only True God?" they could not answer me as if they don't know the answer. Do you?

Since you don't want to give me that 90% no problem, I will get it from Bidam. Whenever you start practicing what Abraham did, then I will listen to you.

pastor prosper :
Bookmark I do that every now and then. All I have to me is my name and a blessed congregation. Well I have warned u all as instructed, you can continue running your mouth, hell awaits d disobedient, read this thread well I addresseed, this matter to d best of my ability. Anti christs, church haters, and pastors haters, over to u. By d way bookmark no one forced you to tithe and whether or not u choose to millions of stains all over d world do and churches xtains and pastors are propsering without your sorry change for tithes. Shalom u all. Cheers to the weekend.

Good to know that, but it will be wrong for you not to teach your congregation (those tithe payers) to sell all they have and give to the poor. The command is not limited to some person. Do you teach them to sell all they have and give to the poor? Answer please.

When their is nothing to disobey, how can hell await me? Unless you are full of conviction in a command that does not exist, at least to Christians. I don't speak against any pastor, i speak against false teachings/doctrines. If you feel your pastor is one of them, then it is not my fault.

OLAADEGBU: To be laconic I'll say don't be a charlatan.

He helped you define your person. Thank him Jor.

OLAADEGBU: Don't be perfidious. You better weep for yourself and shed tears of repentance and put your faith in Christ. Are you not the one being deliberately deceitful by not responding directly to my objections? You may not be an "Awake" carrying JW but don't you believe in their doctrines? Who do you believe Jesus Christ to be, God or angel Michael?

What objections please. My confidence will not allow me to miss anything. If i fail, i will learn and gain more confidence in the truth. Some of Jw's doctrines can shut you up any day any time. By the way how many Gods do you have? We we were LEARNING about angel Michael you ran away. Don't disturb me about it.

When you exercise faith in Christ you are doing what Abraham did to receive the righteousness of God.

Good. And I am blessed along with Abraham.

(Romans 4:11-12).

Abraham believe God and righteousness was imputed onto him, that is why he is the father of all them that believe. He received the promise by faith and he acted in faith when he gave tithes of all to Melchisedec. And if you claim to be of Christ you will follow in the steps of the faith of father Abraham.

You an unfaithful follower of Abraham. After paying your tithe 10%, give the remaining 90% to those who are with you(ie the poor, for it is written that they will continue to be with you) and keep nothing for yourself. That is the way Abraham expressed his faithfulness to giving. Am not comfortable that you are dodging the remaining 90 percent.



(Galatians 3:29).

Don't be a Mountebank. I am not a "lier" (whatever that means) neither am I "a deceit" nor "a hypocrite." Tithe means a tenth of one's income, it means 10%. Anything beyond that is no more a tithe but an offering. The poor widow and the disciples gave their 100% when it was necessary.

You just revealed you English name. Leave the disciples out of this cos you are not following them. I need that your 90 percent.

Pastor kun, please tell this man to "sell ALL he has and give to the poor." I believe he knew the one that said it and would not be disobedient.

The truth must be told. Tithe is not true for Christians. Prosper, Tell its a lie and prove it. I never spoke any against man of God.

Bidam: SMH!! You need help.

SMH!!! You need corrections too. Where have you been.

swtchicgurl:
funny! i wonder how much u earn that is making tithing so difficult for you!

do i survive on tithe? sorry i don't. I PAY TITHE! Glory to God

Whatever is not true is not true. That you are earning millions every day does not make tithe paying by Christians true.

He asked you a simple question, are Christians commanded to pay tithe? Just like other commandments written in the letters that Christians should observe. Is there anything like tithe paying for them?

Image123: Proverbs 26:17 He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.

My brother, your quote is good but it is out of context. You should have settled your strife with Enigma by posting directly to his email. There are people you might be deceiving by posting in the public.

You might not happy that i picked out your error for you to correct yourself and stop going in circles. Correcting your errors helps you attain perfection. Accepting the truth with humility is a wonderful virtue, cultivate it.

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OLAADEGBU: (Galatians 3:29).

Are you Abraham's spiritual seed by any means?



(Romans 4:11-12).

If you claim to follow Christ you will not kick against the precedence left by Abraham in giving tithes.



Do you even believe in the deity of Christ? The day you stopped using the "Awake" magazine as your bible study tool would be the day you will begin to understand the verses I quoted above.



You should rather get rid of all the lies that the JWs have deposited in you before you start to look for the lies in other folks message.

I don't even know how to weep for this Olaadegbu. Don't you know that am not a JW. You love digressing whenever your lies are becoming more obvious. Let me shock you the more.

To accept Christ one must exercise faith in him first. Many knew nothing about Abraham and his faith when they accepted Christ and exercised faith in him. Who do you put first, Christ or Abraham?

Abraham after paying his tithe did not keep anything for himself. The remaining 90% was shared among those who were with him, for he said, "i will not keep anything for myself." Olaadegbu! Are you not a lier, a deceit and a hypocrite? You don't pay your tithe in the manner Abraham did.

If you are honest, share the 90% of your income among those who are with you (your employer, employees, co-workers, ME [i would love to lay my hands on that 90% of yours *don't use this against me o, cos that's the only thing you can hold onto*]).

Image123: No fight at all on Enigma.
You just told me to go and sell all my possessions. If no, then sorry i misunderstood you.
i'm aware that Alwaystrue and co have replied you on that passage. Confirm that ou require extra explanation on the passage?

Are you not a hypocrite?

Jesus told the man to sell all he had and give to the poor the same way he acknowledged that the pharisees pay their tithe. Now you are looking for the 1st Christian that will sell all he has and give to the poor, but you will be quick to force Christians to pay tithe because Jesus said it. As if it was not Jesus who said the former.

Thanks Enigma for exposing him.

OLAADEGBU: These objections should be expected from most anti tithers and they say whether or not you are really Abraham's children. Read Galatians 3:1-29; Romans 4:12-17 to see who the promise has been given to. Pay special attention to the following verses: Romans 4:12; Galatians 3: 6-9, 14-16 and verse 29.

Twister! At least you did not call me anti-Abraham this time.

Did you not see where i said you should follow Christ not Abraham? Don't you know the difference between following Abraham's faith and following Abraham as a role model?

It seems you did not even pay attention to the Galatians you quoted. It says that those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham. Abraham(imperfect man) became our father as a result of the promise but not the one we must follow. Christ is perfect. Olaadegbu! Follow Christ.

May be i should engage myself in hunting down your lies. You are misleading a lot of people.

Mark Miwerds: Wait, Boomark...
you mean to tell me they were "eating the things of the altar and not "spending" the things of the altar?

I mean, what are you trying to do, destroy the new Bible that the tither's have created?

LOL

destroy! It must. that bible that switch from Abraham's tithe to malachi tithe as if it is playing hide and seek.

OLAADEGBU: Why all the stammering? Calm down. You need to become a child of Abraham in the first place before you start talking about tithes and offerings. Don't put the cart before the horse.

Taaa! I caught you red hand twisting a simple truth and you are now blaming Abraham. I belong to Christ. You better follow Christ not Abraham.

Judas the purse bearer is the father of tithe collectors(purse bearers) who have no regard for the poor but are more interested in their pockets. To what i wrote before, there is no contention.

Bidam: Go read the lev6:16 Paul made reference to.

Aaron and his sons were eating fermented cake. Eating from things of the altar. ie the maintenance principle Paul quoted.

You should have done well to show us that principle was about tithe. What Paul was referring to was very clear.

OLAADEGBU: Let's leave Voltaire alone and focus on Judas Iscariot who made the same claim you anti tithers make.

[1] "Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. [2] There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him. [3] Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. [4] Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, [5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? [6] This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein" (John 12:1-6).

You can see from this passage that there is nothing new under the sun. The spirit of Judas Iscariot, that hides under the camouflage of "care for the poor" but their real intention is covetousness. They claim to be fighting for the cause of the poor but it is their bellies they are fighting for. They detest the mention of tithes but wouldn't hesitate to ask for offerings, collections or contributions. Who do you think you are deceiving? Except those who have deliberately rejected the truth.

Judas Iscariot indicts you.

So this your honest comparison? What you wrote shows how far you can go to defend falsehood. Well, let me teach you how to be an honest Christian.

Jesus represents the poor(I hope you remember they are "the least of his brother". All he does is for them, he healed them, he feed them, he gave them hope, all of them.

And Judas(your role model) is the purse bearer. And he represents those collecting and keeping tithe money who has no regard for the poor but their own pocket even when they have abundance. "they bare the bag and what was put theirin." to these things, there is no contention.

You, Olaadegbu, a follower of Judas isariot, is here pointing accusing fingers on those who bare no purse, those teaching you to follow Christ with humility before him and before Man. See how you failed. Go and learn how to learn things that are true. Your judgement is clouded by doctrines of men.
SMH!!!

OLAADEGBU: Let's leave Voltaire alone and focus on Judas Iscariot who made the same claim you anti tithers make.

[1] "Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. [2] There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him. [3] Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. [4] Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, [5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? [6] This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein" (John 12:1-6).

You can see from this passage that there is nothing new under the sun. The spirit of Judas Iscariot, that hides under the camouflage of "care for the poor" but their real intention is covetousness. They claim to be fighting for the cause of the poor but it is their bellies they are fighting for. They detest the mention of tithes but wouldn't hesitate to ask for offerings, collections or contributions. Who do you think you are deceiving? Except those who have deliberately rejected the truth.

Judas Iscariot indicts you.

So this your honest comparison? What you wrote shows how far you can go to defend falsehood. Well, let me teach you how to be an honest Christian.

Jesus represents the poor(I hope you remember they are "the least of his brother". All he does is for them, he healed them, he feed them, he gave them hope, all of them.

And Judas(your role model) is the purse bearer. And he represents those collecting and keeping tithe money who has no regard for the poor but their own pocket even when they have abundance. "they bare the bag and what was put theirin." to these things, there is no contention.

You, Olaadegbu, a follower of Judas isariot, is here pointing accusing fingers on those who bare no purse, those teaching you to follow Christ with humility before him and before Man. See how you failed. Go and learn how to learn things that are true. Your judgement is clouded by doctrines of men.
SMH!!!