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benalvino: there are threads you can still join in... like the one jman and bookmark is on with me about True God, no other God, and false gods...
they always argue God is one... and Jesus is not God... when it is on their neck they will say there are different level of God and he is the almighty and jesus is mighty then other gods are little ones... they also say God is not the only true God... that other gods are true gods too when the bible says there is only one true God...

https://www.nairaland.com/1339284/polytheists-vs-trinity/12#17122442

So you are calling for help? If Anony should agree with you, then he has to pull down the walls i built with my question. I hope the bolded lie is not against me? Na so you wan make we take reason scripture?

There is rebuttal to A2 but will leave Deep to do the work.

benalvino: Let me tell you..
The sun is god to somepeople but in real sense is the sun god? No... It is only god in the minds of those who call it their god... Same with Satan which the bible says calls him self god but he is not god.

The bible says Moses will be like god to pharoah but is moses? The word be like god to pharoad n his people explains it for you.

The bible says only one God exist.. Yes am not here to play either am only telling you that these gods are no god like the bible says.

God is not a title but nature... The bible describe God and man as 2 different natures.

Wood and carved stuffs are all FALSE gods... Including the roman emperor who elevate their selves as god just like Satan did...

Am not the one who say he will destroy all I repeat all the gods that have not created the heavens and earth... Not some but all...

Am not the one who says there are no other gods and am not the one who says he is the only TRUE God which means the other gods are not TRUE but FALSE. Am not the one who says all other gods are idols.

one of the reason human sin was because they want to be like God... The lie Satan told eve... If we are gods like some say why does she want to be like God?

And if Moses was god as some say humans are gods why will God make him like god to pharoah.

My questions has shown the world that you are teaching the doctrines of men or that you don't actually understand the deep things of what you teach.

They are simple questions so you don't need to start explaining it using the sun as god. I have answers to your questions but i can't answer them. Deluded ones have taught me a lesson. If you cannot answer my question then you cannot be taught. Go ahead with what you know and do good.

ayoku777: Bro you're making real sense here, so why were you fighting me on my post? I've been looking for this scripture you quoted; and the explanation is exactly what I would have said. The Father is the God of Gods, and it isn't false Gods.

don't mind Ben. He is inserting false to all that are called gods not knowing that he will be choked up somewhere.

My case with you is where you turned "I and my Father are one" to mean that he(Jesus) is Jehovah. Something like, they are one name Abi one person with two heads, having the same name? This one would have made better sense.

My questions help people understand things better. Jesus is one with the Father just as we are one with him. Will that make us to be called Jehovah too?

benalvino: Can we say the mighty God this verse is talking about is Jesus? Because you people say he is the mighty God and the father is the almighty and people like ijawkid said the father is not mighty but almighty...

He is the God of everything... He is the only true God hence other gods are false easy as that... he didnt form any god... the gods of the people are all idols except the only true God... that is the bible teaching... How else can it Go? God is one... there is no other God is written all over the bible.

Am not here to do Tom and Jerry. You don't even know why someone is a God and you are looking at the "might" attached to his title. If you are not protecting what your Pastor/Sunday sch teacher taught you, then answer the simple questions.

Ps 136
2 Praise the God of all gods.
God’s love never fails.

1 Was David praising God because he is the God of false gods?
2 why did God make Moses a god to pharoah instead of Himself?
3 since we have one Lord, does it mean other lords(princely angels) who are in heaven are false lords?

Deuteronomy 10:17
English Standard Version (ESV)
17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who is not partial and takes no bribe.

I want Ben to tell us if God is the God of false gods and Lord of false lords?

@Goldenbaby, thanks. I didn't go. Amen, my testimony is permanent. While reading Ps 18, i usually pause at some points like where it says "at the blast of the breath of your nostrils," i send that blast to them and their kingdom. They will certainly knew that my God is angry with those who persecute me. Hope you are getting better now?

@Rute
thanks dear. Distance is not a barrier. We are one.

@Pikinmama abi lion
No kill persin with laffta o. You too much.

Hi everyone!

Have been following this thread since it was created by Godsent and i thank God for what he has done in the lives of those who testified...Godsent, sotum, pikinmama, Goldenbaby etc.

My testimony here is for the benefit of those who might not have the opportunity of going for deliverance and are having bad dreams. Most of our afflictions in life are brought to us through bad dreams. I will try to make it as short as possible.

I use to have bad dreams. Dreams of where am enjoying food, flying, being pursued, having intercourse etc. The one of flying use to make me feel so happy in the dream. When am being pursued, i will fly away and say to myself "they can't get me."

I said enough is enough and started a 21 days fasting and prayer(yours could be 3 or 7 days as your strength can carry). The war was against spiritual wife, husband, children and demons bringing foods to me in the dream. I always use psalm 18 against these spirits.

I COMMAND fire upon them in Jesus name and tell them they must obey the authority in the name of Jesus and catch fire. I also command them into the bottomless pit so they don't ever come back. In the end i conquered and all those bad dreams stopped.

My faith was strengthened that God answers prayers(my own for that matter). I promised to testify but kept it within me.

Some days ago, i noticed i was being pressed down and a dark creature was holding my two hands which i tried to raise to no avail. It held me from the head of the bed and calling on Jesus within me since i could not speak out. It brought its head towards my right chest as if it wants to enter inside of me but failed 3 times before it ran away. I had to also command it to be consumed by fire in Jesus name cos it cannot escape like that.

After that i started feeling must not continue to hoard that testimony for the name of God Almighty to be glorified and for Christians to know that in the name of Jesus Christ they have already won their battles.

ayoku777: The jews know that the scripture called people Gods, but no one was ever Jehovah except Jehovah. By the way judges that were called elohim and even Moses too, did that amount to blasphemy?

You need to calm down. You linked the name of God to Jesus from "I and my are One." by that you want us to believe that:
Jesus is Jehovah

now that we are one with Jesus as he is one with the Father, does that not mean we bear the same name?

So the Jews that knew that they have one God did not even they are Gods and wanted to stone Jesus out of ignorance.

We are one with Christ just as he is one with the Father. So what do you call us then? Don't give God's name to any other because of what the Jews are thinking.

Chibuebem: i think it came from John chapter 1: verses 1 to 5. And then verse 14.

Error!
I don't assume. We are talking about the qualities of the invisible God(which He gives) in verse18 not sitting arrangement or who was with who.

DrummaBoy: This is something I am not about to rush into believing or not. Remember I still consider myself trinitarian but I appreciate the argument that emphasizes the Father as the Almighty God more from this discourse. Those threads can be difficult to peruse but I would make time for them. But you could chip in your own thoughts too on the theses "Jesus is Deity but not God (the Father)".

Thanks.

You're welcome bro. At your convenience, just go through them. I posted the page link to where i explained them so you don't have to go through the thread searching for them.

Understanding Godhead as it is in the scripture is the solution to your question. This is not the full details:

Boomark: Godhead is the divine nature of God ie something like his qualities. You don't go into His nature to look for any spirit. He owns the Godhead and He gives it to whomever He wants.

Romans 1:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19 Because that which may be
known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so
that they are without excuse:

Col 2:9[b]
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.[/b]

Do you see how wrong your trinity doctrine is. Jesus did not step out of Godhead in the flesh. Its fullness dwelt in him bodily(in flesh). have you ever wondered who told the trinitarians that Godhead consist of 3 persons? where did that come from?

@Drummerboy

I like the way you stuck with knowing the truth even when philosophers are here trying laugh/convince you.

If you don't know the meaning of Godhead, you will not understand what this means "Jesus is a deity but not God(the Father). Non has ever countered it since i started showing them the true meaning of Godhead(the nature of the Father) which they erroneously believe consist of 3 persons.

Even when put on your trinity nature, you will be just helpless against it. It is a solid rock not philosophy of men. You will be surprised to also know those who are in Christ have the fullness of the Godhead in them through Christ. Just go and see them below.

www.nairaland.com/1318987/trinitarian-disrespect-god/9

www.nairaland.com/1127181/jesus-christ-servant-god-trinity/12

talk2chichi: what do you know about the truth, you know nothing about the truth, Nnatom stop because your questions don't deserve an answer.

And you can't say something about the truth. Little little questions they answer.

Is Jesus Lord over Mary? *i can see her shivering*

I have always known dishonest people can't answer my questions. Are you now representing nnatom?

SMH!!! For chitom.

Ubenedictus: and you are telling me that jerusalem above gave birth to a son! Try again.

Are you the one that made that post? Try again.

That is what they say when they have no say. Delusion at work.

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Enigma: A little fun in the interregnum of waiting for the protagonists.

Argument: because Jesus is a "mediator" between God and men, then he himself cannot be "God".

Pretty obvious counter: On above argument, if Jesus is mediator between God and men, then he himself cannot be "man".

Biblical revelation: Jesus is God eternally; Jesus incarnated as man.

Conclusion: Jesus is God-man, therefore he is most apposite to mediate between God and man.

Error! You will jubliate but not when am here.

Don't you know the difference between the man Jesus and men. The man Jesus is without sin while men are sinners. Son of God and sons of God no be mate.

Why he is mediating is to plead for sinners. If the mediator is a sinner, then you can put him in the category of men as you are happily doing.

If Jesus is the mediator between God and men, does this God include Jesus? How many persons are in this God? A question all trinitarians can afford to dodge.

striktlymi: Did Christ teach that people do not need to be circumcised? Did he approve the 'relics' of St. Paul before people used them to gain their healing?


Yes! His Apostles teach that! Unlike you, I do not believe that Apostleship ended with the twelve...even Judas was replaced. Christ did not build his church only for it to go extinct after the death of the 12.

I also do not believe that the holy spirit has stopped directing the present day Apostles.

...and this is supposed to mean?

I can see that the wave of delusion has already caught up with you. Look at the question i asked.

So Christ taught people to bow and kneel before his image? Did any of his disciple teach that?

You answered YES without evidence. Is that what they teach you in church?

Who was the 13th disciple? Concerning the relic, i don't want to go into the issue of people that keep and worship a dead man's meat as a relic. So disgusting.

Paul was lucky, if it were these days some people would have cut off the hands he use in healing people and keep it as relic cos they believe there is power in his hands.

talk2chichi: you should be the one to change your church, I don't think they are teaching you the right thing, discard all that you believe and start afresh as a catholic. Thanks

make una see chichi o! You are just good at telling people "i pity you, i pray for you, go and read your bible" but you actually have nothing to offer in the sense that you don't want to believe the truth and cannot offer it.

Nnatom bolted away because of my questions. Can you help him since they are teaching you the right thing?

Syncan: Hahaha, Which new truth have you revealed? that Abraham is the woman of Gen3:15? Or that the covenant was not with Abram but with Sarah? Your post at best serves as comic relief.

And where did you see me write these things? Una love for twisting the scriptures and people's innocent words is unfathomable. Smh!!! For those that don't know how to face the truth.

In Gen3:15, God was clear, "the woman" He said also "her seed". The particular woman even as a thought, a dream of God, has already entered into enemity with the devil. Such a woman can only be described as having the fullness of grace. Sarah was not, she laughed at the angel's prophesy, which was actually more than what caused Zechariah his speech. Even Abraham had to hide his intention on Isaac from her. Mary was called "Full of grace".

Its obvious you don't know what to say. "as a thought, a dream of God" when did God dream dreams about the woman being already in enmity with the devil? You are just imagining what you want.

Even after sarah was long dead, the prophets continued to wait for the woman and her seed. See Is7:14

"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a
sign. Look, the young woman is with child
and shall bear a son, and shall name him
Immanuel". NRSV

Aha did he just identify the seed? And "the woman too? you didn't see that, did you?

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Therefore the Lord himself shall giveyou a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

"A virgin shall conceive" you just identified a virgin that will give birth to a son. We are looking at the woman and the seed according to the promise. You cannot fix Mary in Rev 12. You are also telling the world that Mary is not part of God's children cos the seed includes Christ and all the children of God.

Is there any need talking about Jesus himself, Who continued calling her "Woman" in order for you not to be in this folly? Yet you will not hear. You'll rather prefer to have a disrespectful Jesus as a model for your children.

What about Gal4:4, further identification of the seed and the woman.

Jesus is a seed of sarah just as absolom, ahab etc are as well. When we talk about Jesus and Mary, we talk of the woman and her only seed, who is God Is9:6.

Indeed false prophets and teachers shall arise in the last days.

Eve was referred to as the woman, Gen 3:13. Adam called eve the woman v12. Does this make Eve the woman we are looking for? No! Of course Christ will come out of a woman not out of a man. Women give birth to children. Did you not see how i connected everyone involved in the promise? Do the same or you have nothing to offer.

Mary is not the woman, Jerusalem above is our mother and she is the woman.

italo: So you dont know that the camera is just an advanced technology of making images?

That is why it is closer to perfect, unlike sculptures.

Do you know that there are now machines that can take your dimensions and produce sculptures that are exactly like you?

If these were available in the time of Jesus, all the sculptures would probably be alike.

They are all imperfect images. Period.

Open your mind.

And who commanded who to make the image of Jesus? Paul said we don't know him anymore and should not regard him in the flesh. Catholics disobey this admonition by making images which they are not even sure who it is.

Have you not heard that those who do that are in the category of those that worshiped Paul as god out of ignorance.

My mind is very very sealed to idol worship.

chukwudi44: I was just wondering if rebuke has found a new meaning in the dictionary.Here is what I found

re·buke - /riˈbyo͞ok/
Verb:
1. Express sharp disapproval or criticism of (someone) because of their behavior or actions
Noun:
1. An expression of sharp disapproval or criticism

The last time I checked nothing of such happened between Jesus and Mary in the bible.

rebuke/correct, that's how i wrote it. Why not look up for "correction." Jesus corrected her on matters concerning his ministry which she did not understand. Abi?

nnatom: my brother stop dis thing u say. Have u heard any body saying she is greater dan christ.

And for d first commandment u quoted, i hope u understand English very well. We don' worship her, neither hav we called her our God cos if we do we'll nt ask for her intercession rather we ask her for our need straight.

Note this, we are never and will never worship her, pls get dat into ur head and stop missing up the honour and worship thing. After all u bow and even lie down for ur kings and obas, does dat mean u worship them.

This not what i expect from you. I asked you some questions and expect you to either agree or disagree with me.

This is a cheap way to dodge my questions. I don't cut corners. If you cannot answer me then it is worthy that you discard all that you believe as a catholic and start afresh but not as a catholic. I don't like throwing words here and there. Answer me or we end the discussion knowing fully well that you can't offer anything.

CAMEROONPRIDE: ^^^ u are a fool ... ur trash doesn't prove anything .

try this

She was the first to be rebuked/corrected by the 12 year old. Follow Christ in spirit not molded images.

nnatom: read it carefully again, luke1:43. Why am i so favoured dat d mother of my lord shld come to me.
Listen to dat, THE MOTHER OF MY LORD SHOULD COME TO ME.
If this doesn't sound clear to u, let me put on a clear note.

Is she nt highly blessed for her to be given dat great opportunity to carry and nurse our lord and saviour for d purpose of our redemption.

To crown it up, in luke1:48 she said and i quote, Henceforth, i.e from now on, all generations,including ours o,shall call me BLESSED.

My brother, let stop dis ranting and give her dat honour, she deserves it. Even God honoured her by giving her d opportunity to carry his only begotten Son.

My brother shey e easy? No, no be moi moi.

Have you seen anyone that says Mary is not blessed? Mary is blessed. Have i not called her blessed?

Jesus also said that all who do the will of the Father is blessed. Therefore i am blessed too. Do you disagree with him and me?

Do you agree that our Lord is Lord over all including Mary?

It is a sin to make the image of an unknown persons whom you call Mary to honour her(kneeling and bowing to it) and call her blessed through man-made images. Who gave you that command?

It is either you agree with these things i have written or you disagree with them. Don't just go and start quoting what you think you know as a reply to these things.

ayoku777: Nice and on point!

Thanks bro.

The truth is been revealed these last days. Let all weigh what they have been believing for soo long.

The Woman is Jerusalem(Sarah) Not Mary

Genesis 3:15
New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

the seed(not seed) of Satan are those who live according to the flesh. The see of the woman is Christ and all the children of God.

Galatians 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

Galatians 3:29
New International Version (NIV)
29 If you belong to Christ,then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

As a result of being one with Christ, we too are Abraham's seed. I once showed my friend that we have the fullness of Godhead in us through Christ due to oneness with him. I and my Lord are one.

Romans 9:7-9
King James Version (KJV)
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Galatians 4:22-26
New International Version (NIV)
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave womanand the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to theflesh,but his son by the free woman was born as the result of adivine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women representtwo covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: Thisis Hagar.25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.26 But the Jerusalem that is aboveis free,and she is our mother.

Galatians 4:31
New International Version (NIV)
31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Hagar is the slave woman and she corresponds to Jerusalem here on earth. Sarah is the free woman and she corresponds to Jerusalem above. Jerusalem above is free and she is our mother(the woman and mother of the children of God and Christ). This things were spoken, relating Jerusalem above to the SEED.

Rev 12:17
American King James Version
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, whichkeep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The woman is the mother of her seed. The remnant of her seed are the children of God and Galatians made us understand that Jerusalem is our mother, ie mother of the seed. This shows that Jerusalem above is the woman not Mary as Catholics erroneously teach.

nnatom: u sound like an illiterat,whats ur point. Pls read luke1:43 and clear ur eye.

Ok...my eyes are shining.

Luke 1:43
New International Version (©2011)
But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How does this translate to mother of the Most High God? Does it mean you people always favor twisting than saying things as they are. You enjoy giving rat a cow leg.

I repeat, who is the father of the Most High God. With Bible references please.

striktlymi: ^^^

Quite true!!!

Some of her teachings are very unpalatable, just like some of the teachings of Christ but yet she still continues to teach this very difficult truth.

So Christ taught people to bow and kneel before his image? Did any of his disciple teach that?

SMH!!! For the hard truth.

striktlymi: ^^^

Quite true!!!

Some of her teachings are very unpalatable, just like some of the teachings of Christ but yet she still continues to teach this very difficult truth.

So Christ taught people to bow and kneel before his image? Did any of his disciple teach that?

SMH!!! For the hard truth.

Ubenedictus: sorry my dear, the catholic church isn't one of those protestant churches where they tell u what u want to hear.
What we teach is the truth, and if he studies again i'm confident that if he is sincere he will arrive at the same conclusion.

Yes that because he studied what he was given and believe it as true. Let him study with me and i will ask him one question for you to see him stam....

I will start with Godhead and it will end quick quick.

talk2chichi: don't compare Mary the Mother of the Most High God with yourself ok, she is far honoured than you or every other person are.

One of the worst i have ever seen. The Father of the Most High God nko?

Tufiakwa!

Ubenedictus: a cheap insult, i choose to ignore.
It seem you could takle my response so you had to resort to this.
You were unable to show how the woman in genesis 2 relates to sarah and your response to that failure is d above.
Weldone.

Sorry my brother. I was just waiting for you to show me how it was Mary is the woman but you were just giving me genesis 2, Isaiah, Jeremiah and i could not see anything.

I will try and link them up for you later today. From genesis to Revelation if possible.

Cheers!