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I can see 'you have refused to answer any part on this topic in your own words dolphinheart, is it to confusing for you?
I myself and I am sure many of us Christians are tried 'trying to show you verse after verse, scripture after scripture, Proving to you what the bible had said, I am sure we are fed up listening to you mocking the word of God, denying it's power, denying the Holy Spirit, denying God the Father, and most of all denying His Son Jesus.
Matter of fact, it is quite pointless trying to share with you the word of God, it is a senseless idea knowing at the beginning your heart is far far away from the truth who the Father and His Son Jesus is.
To be honest No one is interested in your rubbish talk, and what you have to say, dolphinheart-I have no dealt's but proven evidence you are A FALSE PROPHET.
{Luke 16:22-26} This scripture is so clear to our eye's and ear's-they both died and was buried.
{Usually when something die's it means dead, unless you JW's know otherwise} and strangely enough one dead person ended up in torment burning with fire, while the other dead ended up with Abraham. And of course they both ended up dead as the scriptures told us, they died and was buried-so come on Dolphinheart big mouth-answer this question how did they get to these places without their bodies being alive?
Once you have answered this question, then you must have the answers, with those who have the Spirit of God, will surely end up with God.
But with those people who have chosen not to have the Spirit of God. "Like you" will surely end up in torment, just like the verse say's in {Luke 16:22-26} describes it to be.
Its only common sense dolphinheart, where our Souls {Spirits} go after we die, everyone with common sense should know the answer-we live by choice.
So which is it dolphinheart are you willing to accept Christ into your life, becoming a born again Christian as the word tells us to be, and to live for eternity with Jesus our Lord God Almighty.
Or would you perfer to stay un-saved, and live only for your Father who aren't in Heaven.

dolphinheart:
1. yet you could not show one instance or site one example of such confusion
2. I did ask you questions relating to your own words, you still refuse to answer! even you knows that your own words contradict each other!
3. IF my view on your words is wrong, you have refused to correct it, probably cus my views are right!


name them!

stop lying!
moreover , the issue is about what goes to hell when man dies!, soul, spirit, body, which one! and where does the rest go?
you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
"If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
"For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

this questions above have been avoided by you.


you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.


brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

up till this moment, you have refused to tell us where the body and soul goes to when man dies!

I think dolphinheart we all must agree on this one, you have set yourself up even more, you are more confused now, then you were before we had started this conversation, or any other conversations in this matter. You are trying to rearrange our words in all directions.
We are speaking in two different literature's here, I have been speaking to you about the Spirit, while you seem to think the Spirit of God is about speaking in the flesh.
You are even confusing me, you have everything I have written to you on this page twisted and upside down.
The bible isn't just written in black and white-it has a Spiritual side to it, and of course you haven't received the Spirit of God to even understand this side to the bible.
Your refusal to acknowledge the truth makes life difficult for us all to agree which part of the bible you do know.
Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God. And of course you have refused to do such, so this leaves us having differences what is truth and what is not truth concerning the word of God.
And not only does the world know, but us Christians know, the JW's don't hold that truth.

dolphinheart:
continue to contradict yourself further, look at your own words again: "Every true believer knows without the spirit of God, [/b]you are nothing, Just a piece of flesh.[/b].
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

its you that said : "Like I said if Paul never had the divine nature having the Spirit of God, then his flesh would end up in hell, like yours, [s]because you say no-one has the Spirit of God, nor His divine nature-then the disciples done nothing, they never laid their hands on the sick, nor did they baptise anybody in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.[/s]

and earlier you said: "If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.

you also said that god can kill body and soul in hell

you have so far given different and conflicting statements about which of these three (body, soul, spirit) goes to heLl when man dies!

three questions where asked, you ended up exposing yourself with one while refusing to answer the other two
1. a beg , which verse are you talking about?
2. solite3, says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?


I can't accept what? that only the spirit of man goes to hell?, even you have used your own words to proof such statement to be false. The scripture you quoted about the spirit tells you what happens to the spirit at death, yet you prefer to say it roams, it roams into into hell abi?
The most interesting part is that you refuse to tell us where the body and soul goes to when one dies?


once we clear the issue on what goes to hell and where spirit, body, soul goes at death, then we will go there!


well , I do know that the spirit what push you to lie , use defamatory tactics and commit forgery against others.

Still dolphinheart refuses to listen, he keeps on taken words out and twisting them to suit his own stupidity. Every true believer knows without the spirit of God, you are nothing, Just a piece of flesh.
But of course you can't accept that dolphinheart, every time you even open up your mouth and mocking the Word of God, you have opened up new door to be closer to your Father in Hell.
So if you aren't man enough to explain this topic in your own words, then it shows you know nothing about it, and you are just full of yourself a man with a big mouth trying to start trouble between us Christians that do.

You haven't a clue what it means having the spirit of God, you don't even believe that a man can receive the Holy Spirit.
And you are telling me I am wrong-what kind of a fool are you dolphinheart.
You are full of yourself, you are just another turd laying around doing nothing wasting precious time.

dolphinheart:
1.so you are saying if Paul(or anyone)does not have the spirit of God, his flesh(or anyone's flesh) will end up in heLl.
In other words you just indicated(with the green coloured part of your post) that FLESH CAN END UP IN HELL!
this goes contrary to your earlier claim that only spirits go to hell, even with your own words, you are contradicting your own false teachings!
you have now giving contradictory statements about what goes to hell!

now brocab, did the rich man have the spirit of God in him? did his flesh end up in hell( plus notice if he would answer)

2. everyone pls note , I scratched out those words cus they where lies, I NEVER MADE SUCH STATEMENTS, BROCAB IS CAPABLE OF SAYING PEOPLE SAY SOMETHING THEY DID NOT SAY!


another set of lies to try and change the topic from identifying what goes to hell when man dies.


even you own accusation contradicts itself : dolphinheart think there is no such think as hell..... but our flesh and blood could only end up inside hell.
If I don't think their is hell, come come do I believe that our flesh and blood could only end inside hell?
its when you fomulate beliefs on behalf of someone else so as to use such fomulated beliefs to accuse someone that contradictory accusations such as this emerge!
it is to arrive at this false accusations that lies had to be told about what I said initially!

three questions where asked, you ended up exposing yourself with one while refusing to answer the other two
1. a beg , which verse are you talking about?
2. solite3, says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

Don't forget to tell the world the JW's are already in hell, since the spirit you received hit you like lighting after he fell from heaven, with his falling angels.

CAPTIVATOR:
story !


@ solite3 , to confirm you truly understand what you are saying ... since you said those in hell will have a body, tell us , which kind of body they possess ?

This is funny. And you still didn't understand about any of the topic. Here I go again?
Like I said if Paul never had the divine nature having the Spirit of God, then his flesh would end up in hell, like yours, because you say no-one has the Spirit of God, nor His divine nature-then the disciples done nothing, they never laid their hands on the sick, nor did they baptise anybody in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Because dolphinheart believes no-one is divine no-one has the Spirit of God-why because the Holy Spirit can only be a active force.
Dolphinheart believes people can do miracles without the Spirit of God, raising the dead, healing the sick, the blind now see, etc..
Dolphinheart believes Paul never had God's divine nature, not until he died.
Dolphinheart thinks, there is no such thing as Hell {Hades} and after we die our spirits don't travel anywhere, but our flesh and blood could only end up inside Hell, like the rich man's story-because it's impossible we even have a Spirit after we die? But yet you believe Michael came here in Spirit and became flesh and blood.
Which I find your theory out of wack-Satan is a falling angel-and God made angels spirits, not men.

dolphinheart:
a beg , which verse are you talking about?
haha, it's easy for me to post the full text for all to see, I'll do so here and let's see if you can explain the flesh going to he'll part with divine nature!
EVERYONE, THIS IS THE FULL TEXT OF HIS POST , PLS NOTICE THE GREEN COLORED AND UNDERLINED PART ABOUT FLESH AND HELL!



For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3, says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?

Readers, PLS note, that unlike theirs accusations, I did not alter, modify , delete parts of, or add to their sentence!. Secondly as you can see, I've given him an opportunity to explain his sentence and not try at all times to explain his words to him!


PLS don't mention my mother okay!.

On many occasions, none of the scriptures are for you either, but you don't seemed to mined sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong, and it doesn't stop you, from answering other peoples topic's.
So what's your problem Plus I am doing what you do best, helping my bro out, while Solite3 is busy.
I will let you know on a little secret-it doesn't matter where you are-blood always stick together..
And if you look hard enough you may find I have answered something you have written up above.

dolphinheart:
the post was not for you , it was for solite3, but if you felt you are solite3, why could you not respond to the scriptures posted their.
you are a very dubious fellow, always trying to find ways to run away from posts directed to you by commenting on post directed to someone else and at the same time not responding to issues. GO BACK TO MY POST DIRECTED TO YOU AND RESPOND TO THE ISSUES THEIR.
IVE POSTED THEAST FULL TEXT OF YOUR POST, PLS EXPLAIN!

This is hard to believe? This really amazes me JW's don't even believe in Hell, and the first thing you criminals do is jump on someone who does, It's hard to believe Solite3 will talk about you JW's having a body in hell.
This troubles me, you JW's don't even believe the truth about Hell, and to start an argument and without understanding what any of us write, you would rather twist his story, trying to make some kind of mockery out of the Word of God.
The laugh falls back on you dumb dumb's. You should be worried none of you will ever see the kingdom of heaven, let alone see the kingdom of God.
Now this is funny the JW's believe Jesus flew down to earth and became a Child in the flesh, and lived amongst men, once a spirit, Michael became a man made of flesh and blood, and returned to God as His Son? And God said which of the angels did I ever say you are My Son, and which of the angels did God ever say you sit here while I make your enemies your footstool. None....
How can anyone believe this story-now this is funny.

CAPTIVATOR:
@ solite3 , I read your post where you claim those in hell have a body , tell us which kind of body they possess ?

Instead of trying to work out how we explain the word of God to you, without your mocking, why don't you try and read the word of God yourselves?

dolphinheart:
I have not seen where dolphinsheart posted one single letter on this thread.
We were talking about that resurrection before, you made a post where you added large parts of my words to make it look as if you where the one who said it, I've asked you to modify it so I can respond, but you refused to! no problem, na your way!


you yourself can't even explain what trinity is , different idealogies, different teachings about trinity, which one do you believe?
This could be discussed soon, but for now, I'm still trying to get all of you to tell us what goes to he'll. is it the spirit, body or soul, or is it 2 of these three , or is it the three.
solite3 has said body and soul, brocab said only spirit. WHO ARE WE TO BELIEVE!


stop lying!


pls what is hell?, I asked this customer you might have a different understanding of the word from mine!



pls point to one verse that has been diluted by my society, though I hope you can do this after telling us about what goes to hell, don't use it to change the present topic!


what kind of body do they possess?

Unless you can show me in scripture where the flesh ends up in Hades? It must be hard for you to consider a mans flesh returns back to dust, while his spirit go's somewhere.
Jesus said to the thief today you will be with Me is Paradise-does this mean he will be in paradise alive in his flesh-or did the man die after his legs were broken up on the cross? So if he died, then how can he be in paradise with Jesus, when of course you believe His Spirit doesn't live on.
Jesus said when He calls, the dead shall raise first, and those who are still alive will meet them in the clouds, meaning the Spirit of God is still living in those who are alive, when we meet?
Question why did Jesus say to the man, "today you will be with Me in paradise", if the Man's body just returned to the grave {Dust} and His Spirit returned to God?
Dolphinheart instead of trying to justify this with your own mind-try and explain your actions with bible scriptures this time....

dolphinheart:
1. It seems you do not understand the conjunction"neither"
2. let's look at the verses again :
King James Version
Ec 9:5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neitherhave they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

solite3, look at the blue coloured part again and tell if it's true or not that the living know that they will die. If you believe this to be true, why don't you believe the part after the comma that says "but the dead know not anything"!
other translators translated that part as "but the dead do not know anything" or " the dead know nothing"
the verse did not say the dead do not know nothing about someplace or somewhere or something, it simply tells you that the dead know nothing!, so wherever you might conjure the dead to be, it simply knows nothing.
to show you how your false teachings contradict themselves, you said " they also have no knowledge of things done under the sun".this is contrary to your claims about the rich man and his awareness of his brothers who are still alive. also is Abraham not dead, has he been resurrected when you claim lazarus went to meet him!, how come a dead person knows about the rich man brothers. you yourself can see how anytime you try to explain the scriptures under your false teachings, it keeps on contradicting itself.
now let's go to the green part, the word neither:
neither /ˈnʌɪðə,ˈniː-/
determiner pronoun
not the one nor the other of two people or things; not either.
adverb
1. used before the first of two (or occasionally more) alternatives (the others being introduced by ‘nor’) to indicate that they are each untrue or each does not happen.
2. used to introduce a further negative statement.
can you see the definitions of neither there, can you see the underlined words?
The verse is talking about two things , two negative things, two alternatives, don't use the second one to determine what the first is saying!

King James Version
Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

this part exposes your false teachings further, first let me ask you, this love , hate and envy, is it talking about those of the living or those of the dead?
We all know that love, hatred and envy are parts of human emotion, and the scriptures says that this emotion do not exist any longer. Some translators use "long gone", "vanished" ,"perished", "dissapeared".
In simple terms, the verse is telling us the dead have no emotion!


does the verse indicate the psalmist will praise God after death, to show that it's only the sinners that will praise God after death? no
Ps 115:17 The deaddo not praise Jah; Nor do any who go down into the silence of death.

Ps 6:5 For in death there is no mention of you; In the Grave, who will praise you?

Ps 146:4His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

Ps 30:9What profit is there in my death, in my going down to the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it tell of your faithfulness?

Isa 38:18For the Grave cannot glorify you, Death cannot praise you. Those who go down into the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness.

Ec 9:10Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, [color=red]for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, WHERE YOU ARE GOING.




notice the word, Evalasting destruction, no hope of coming back.
enough distraction sir, pls , what goes to hell, the body soul or spirit?
brocab said it's only the spirit, do you agree with him?

So how can you say you love me, without loving my character-you are married right? And when you married your wife/husband, he/she had a different character, and still you spend more time with either "with love?
And because you believe you to are the son of God, as a brother in Christ I like you too, and because I am trying to correct your mistakes about the word of God, you seem to feel I don't like you well enough, and of course you then start to ramp and rave, claiming I am against you with passion.
{John 21:17} Jesus said to Simon-Peter do you love Me? So dolphinheart I ask do you love me?

dolphinheart:
yes I love you, just don't love your character, your trying to use character defamation, lies , forgery to achieve your aim!

Confusion can only come from your Father the devil.

Jozzy4:
Since you confess the story has a spiritual meaning @underlined , if so that renders it a parable and not a literal event . therefore your using it as an evidence of spirit in hell or heaven is clearly WRONG. So far its not meant to be taken literally .


spiritual tongue tinz buhahaha

The information that is written is not false, but rather true and correct, dolphinheart and yourselves are lairs and the truth is not found in any of you.
So are we talking two ways here, or is this just your post?
Are you trying to say? True Christians can't support anybody.
I found a sister in need, and because she had given me so much of her bad remarks she had retrieved from yourself and dolphinheart, over time, my first reaction was to return her a favour, by supporting and correcting her insulting statement. I believed she was copying what she found written by you and dolphinheart in the watchtower magazine, and to prove herself to your organisation she only laid down your law of insults.
Doing this favour, I see nothing I have done was different from you JW's.
You don't like the twisting, but this is one thing you all do best, since I have been on this page, you have twisted and turned and changed our words around, only to suit your own interest.
Time and time again, I have learnt one thing from you JW's is all of you rebuke the word of God, "the bible" calling God a two headed God, and calling Jesus a god. How insulting is this towards our creator.
And now you think you have the rights to lay down your laws and complaints You have a much bigger problem when you meet the creator Himself.
Because brocab was supporting someone from making a bad mistake against a fellow Christian, then it is right for me to correct that person, and if she don't listen to me, then it is right for me to take with me two other witnesses, and if that person refuses to listen, and because we can't approach each other, then it's right for me to support her the way I believe it's best.
{Jesus said what you do to others, you are doing it to Him}
It's the thought that counts.

Barristter07:
Brocab




are you aware of Nairaland Rule Number 8 : which says " don't post false information on Nairaland "

the below screenshot in which you quoted and Actually EDITED Jessichas post to seem she said what she didn't say is a falsification of evidence on your part. and I believe people like you should be look into by MR Seun and the mods because if you can do this in a small issue as this , who knows what you will do in a more critical issue . this is how it starts.


Later , you will say you are a so called born again . I can see , it really showed in you . posting false information about someone is rude and indecent behaviour on your part.




The original post by Jessicha is also included, to prove how dubious and the kind of person brocab is.

Don't you just love me?

dolphinheart:
did not even see your post when I was accusing him of forgery, I've said months ago that his sole aim is to find fault by any means possible, he had lied, tried character assassination, defamation and now forgery.

You are upset with John 74 when you say he used the one verse to prove you said the two headed god, and now you throw the same act with me, you use one verse without explaining the rest of the subject, which was about the divine nature, that you refuse to believe, of course dolphinheart you have proven to us you are a bigger hypocrite.
Us Christians have been warned about snakes like you, can I ask your mother to punch you right on your nose, and when you ask why she did that to you, she will say because I have a son like you.

dolphinheart:
@ solite3, look at the bolded, do you believe spirits have bodies?
@ solite3, do you believe humans have this kind of body after they die?
@ Johnw74, this body that you say the angel has, is it the same as the one the rich man has in hell?
@johnw74, (concerning second bolded above )look at brocabs own words posted about the flesh and hell.
11:27pm, June 17, page 96 of these thread, brocab said thus :
"His flesh would end up in hell, where you flesh is heading"
so do you believe brocab, do you believe flesh goes to hell?

It a amazes me, john74-we just can't do anything right with these JW's, I was just thanking her, after her good encouragement she supported me with, are we all brothers and sisters in God? So what is the problem?
Many times I see the JW's rewrite our post, and of course they don't see it as a problem supporting us, so because I was helping a sister out, like they do with us.
What is wrong with this picture? And now they have the cheek to winch?

johnw74:
lie lie barristter

you also have no comprehension
bro was being humorous which false jw don't seem to understand
but love to lie and make a big deal out of their own false accusations

To save your endless time with your mocking spree over bible scriptures, then at least-dolphinheart since you have the biggest mouth-just show us in scripture where the rich man and Lazarus never died and was buried.
And while you are trying to figure this out, then make up your own story, and show us where in scripture it says the rich man and Lazarus were still alive when they went into Hades.
Then explain your foolish lies to your fellow dumb dumb's, that you believe Hades never existed and the scripture is a miss print, because no-one can travel in Spirit either in heaven or in Hades after they die.
And while you explain such statements try and back it up with the right scriptures, using other scriptures that doesn't match up is pointless stupidity.
Using {Matthew 10:28} God can kill the body and soul in Hell. Has nothing to do with {Luke 16:22-26} about the Rich man and Lazarus..Everyone knows God can destroy everything, but the story about the rich man God didn't kill his soul, But used it to tell this story, to help save a multitude.

dolphinheart:
I did not quote matthew 19:28 to you , unless you want to use that verse to show me that only spirit go to heLL.
Imy not arguing with you, I've already shown you that spirits don't go to heLl. I've also disected your explanations and I've shown you how false it is. You prefer to always add things to gods word, it did not , in any verse, ever tell you that spirits go to hell. The theory of spirits going to hell was formulated after realising that the false teachings about hell cannot stand without such fomuLation.
I know you and your runaway tactics, that's why I said you will not respond to that post.


fomulating false beliefs for me will not cover your false teachings sir!


are we talking about death? no , we are talking about where the soul, spirit and body goes to when one dies. You have failed to use the scriptures to tell us where the spirit goes at death, even when you quoted the scriptures that told you what happens to the spirit at death, you prefer to change it , not believing what the scripture said, preferring to manipulate those words.
up till now , even after several times of reminding you, you refuse to tell where the body and soul goes at dead, using the scriptures to tell us will greatly affect your false doctrine, so you refused to answer that part of the question.


this is a clear example that you don't read the scriptures you mention. what does matthew 19:28 have to do with God Killing the body and soul in heLl?



you are a very funny man, I would have told you my beliefs about hell, but it will divert from the issue at hand, something you badly want to do.
I will stick to the issue at hand. you say only spirits go to hell and refuse to tell us where the soul and body goes!, the scriptures posted by your so called brother has proved your belief to be false!



are you trying to prove jesus words wrong about killing body and soul?, or are you trying to say god will not kill any body and soul ?, choose your answer carefully.


even though your statement are full of false teachings, I'll just bring out the one relevant to the issue at hand. your own words have shown your teachings to be false about only spirits going to hell.
" even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies"

maybe your next move is to now claim that Hades is different from hell, that spirits go to hell and souls go to Hades!.

Well done good and faithful servant. How right you are, Praise the Lord for ever more.

Jessicha:
the funniest thing about this dolphinheart i have read the story luke 16 and its true the bible does give us a choice the fact is i do see what brocab say, it make sense, dolphinheart you is contradicting yourself here and there, you lie to me, and us

False religion can only come from the JW's. this is why you can't see the en-sites of any spiritual meanings, and clearly enough Jesus is giving us warning. Which means you are wrong about not taken any thing that's written in the bible seriously.
If you can't understand this scripture-nor any of the others in the bible, then what makes you think you know more then Christ and how does anyone in your precision know anything?
The bible is about make decisions, and {Luke 16:22-26} gives us a good start in making them.
Most people around the world already knows, these bible stories are given to us for our own safety-which gives us a choice-which direction we allow ourselves to go.
The truth is, your job is to confuse the world, giving out false teachings from a watchtower magazine, a book that's written each month, you don't allow others to enter into God's kingdom, neither do you enter in.
You suckers are being deceived, and you are to blind to see it coming. You pounce around teaching about the New World Order-A One World Religion, soon to appear into existence, and you say not to take the spiritual meaning literal anymore, meaning the bible?
You and the rest of the JW's are false prophets.

Jessicha:


OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , false religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

If you are looking for some kind of an argument at least back it up with scriptures that matches {Matthew 10:28} because it is pointless trying to prove your point, without any back up.
But it seems you have laid down the law with {Luke 16:22-26} and it seems you believe the rich man and Lazarus was alive and well, when they both entered into Hades talking with each other across the lake of fire
Maybe you don't understand the meaning of death, when the bible said they both died, and was buried, and maybe you believe, how can one ask for water when one is dead. {You are dead in Spirit and you seem to drink water}
Well if you had listened in the first place, and if you had knowing the truth how the bible is written, I wouldn't be wasting my time with everybody else trying to explain it to you, all the time.
This is what I like about you dolphinheart you take one scripture out from the pile, and you think that one, answers all your questions? Well it doesn't.
It shows, like every other time, you still don't understand the scriptures, like {Matthew 10:28} Clearly enough to know what this scriptures about and why does God say don't fear Man because they can only kill the body, but they can't kill the soul, but fear God He can Kill the body and our souls, in Hell.
As strange as it sounds, you don't even believe in Hell, but you are willing to use this scripture to use Hell as your tool to try and prove your theory, for what reason who knows
When someone follows after the bible dolphinheart we usually back it up with the following, but {Luke 16:22-26} God didn't kill the body and soul, matter of fact He had used Luke as a example, letting us know, we have a choice. We can end up in torment burning with fire in Hades, or we can end up with Christ and live in paradise with Him for eternity.
{Revelation 20:7-10.13} Death means a separation of existence from the body, not non existence, even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies, to be judged for their works. Not only are they alive in Hades in the Spirit, they are also alive in Heaven {Revelation 6:9} tells us the souls of the dead saints cry to the Lord, to be avenged.

dolphinheart:
you are always trying to change the issues
did you not say only spirits go to heLl?
you are very much afraid to quote matt 10:28 and tell the whole world , what you understand their.
King James Version
Mt 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

your so called brother has quoted a verse that shows all your explanations that that it's the rich man's spirit that went to hell to be false. such theories can only come up when you do not read the scriptures.
solite3, do you believe only man's spirit goes to hell?, I don't think so (pls notice if he will answer)
Johnw74, do you you believe that jesus is same person as the father?, I don't think so(pls also notice if he will answer)

they have different beliefs, yet they are brothers as long as their different beliefs is different from that of a jehovahs witness.

you guys can see that im right when I said that brocab will not respond to our discussion on where the spirit goes at death.

Am I really hearing this from you? Because I said if a Spirit had Fleshly parts, He wouldn't be a Spirit.
But with common sense flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit if a Spirit had all Spiritual parts He would be a Spirit, and if the flesh had all fleshly parts he would be flesh.
Don't you not know flesh and blood can-not enter into the Spirit of God {1 Corinthians 15:50} The flesh can-not please God, but the Spirit can, and the Spirit will enter into Hades too, Jesus went into the pits to pick up the keys of death and Hades.
Don't we all love the way you try to twist things around, If a Spirit has a Spiritual tongue and we have a fleshly tongue, how does it prove your silly theory?
You asked a Question does a Spirit have a fleshly tongue, and I answered it correctly, and who knows how you think? Matter of fact, I believe a child at a very young age, would know the differences, between the two.
Because I said the Rich man spoke to Abraham in Spirit, it doesn't prove I am lying, The rich man died and after he had died he spoke to Abraham to send Lazarus to give him water to put on the tip of his tongue-So your evidence doesn't count, this just proves you have tried to twist my words by lying to the public.
Because you have still refused to listen to the truth about the word of God, and if Jesus tells this story about the rich man, then Jesus has a good reason why He is telling this story, and without you understanding this scripture, and you not having any knowledge, I believe it frightens you to think {Luke 16:22-26} Says it all, as it sounds, and the rich man and Lazarus died, and they both ended up separately, across from each other, either burning for eternity with your Father, Or living for God for eternity.
What your problem is, you have never seen the Spirit realm, you have never felt the unknowing, a present around you, I don't even believe you have never heard God's voice, nor from His messengers.
Which of course this leaves you dumb founded.
The bible is so clear, when it talks about the angels looking like men as God's messengers, did you know we wrestle against the principalities and the darkness of the world. Meaning we wrestle against your Father the devil of old.
Jozzy4 No one is interested in your rubbish nor are we interested with your lies. If you aren't willing to speak any truth about the Word of God, then remove your tongue from your mouth and shut up.

Jozzy4:
so dull, who ask whether they speak,

@ bold , you just proved the man in Jesus parable ain't an immaterial spirit. which means you lied to dolphin heart and everyone

If Spirits have fleshly body parts, he wouldn't be a Spirit.
God is a Spirit and He can Speak-the Holy Spirit speaks, Moses on the mount spoke in Spirit to Jesus.
So if your question is can a Spirit speak, Yes they can. Look at the angels they speak.

Jozzy4:
Don't sound like a broken record by replying question with question.

Does a spirit have tongue , a fleshly body part ?

The Spirit of God the Father speaks ask Him.

Jozzy4:
Don't sound like a broken record by replying question with question.

Does a spirit have tongue , a fleshly body part ?

So this is good news you are starting to see the light, you believe our Spirits return to God or to Hell.
ONE MUST BE BORN AGAIN BEFORE HE CAN ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Which means we a God's children-and of course our Spirits will return back to God, but for those who have chosen to refuse God, their Spirits will end up being tormented in burning fire for eternity in Hades-Hell.

Jozzy4:
According to the scripture , spirit/breath of man return to where ? To God or to Hell .


Am asking you once again , does a spirit have tongue , which is a fleshly body part ?

Do you have a tongue?

Jozzy4:
According to the scripture , spirit/breath of man return to where ? To God or to Hell .


Am asking you once again , does a spirit have tongue , which is a fleshly body part ?

Well you believe Michael the archangel is Jesus, and God made angels spirits, and you believe Jesus was resurrected and came back to His disciples in the Spirit, so what is your answer to this-Jesus must of had a tongue He did speak-and He ate, and He drank.
And maybe since you have all the answers, why not share a little light on the subject, and tell us, was the rich man's flesh alive in Hades burning in torment, or did He die as the scriptures told us he died, so if the rich man died, then who was left in Hades?

Jozzy4:
My question to you is still pending , does a spirit have tongue ?

Kindly answer that and let's verify your proof that spirits go to hell .

Solite isn't scared, it is you who is terrified, you will be even more terrified if you don't turn your ways and come follow after Christ.
It amazes me, how you JW's think, you can't believe spirits travel too and fro, and you don't believe in {Luke 16:22-26} where it says both died and was buried, leaving you with a huge question mark? Then who is in Hades, and who's with Abraham?
The JW's theory is 'no-one is in either-because the JW's believe the scripture is a miss-print.

Jozzy4:
If u do, why are u scared to answer the question it raised : do you agree with the text u quote that the body also go to Hellfire ?

The JW's don't even believe in Hell-they believe their final resting place is in their grave.
They don't even believe in the scriptures well enough to even realise {Luke 16:22-26} exist.
They actually believe the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a miss-print, and theirs no-way our spirits travel in either direction.
Not to burn in Hades-Hell? Jehovah God wouldn't be so cruel to send anybody to burn in torment in Hades Hell once you die-that's it, your finished, dolphinheart believes once your body dies, your soul dies too. Only god can destroy both body and soul. {Matthew 10:28}
What these religious nuts don't understand is, God doesn't send us to Hell-Hades to burn in torment-we make our own decisions in life.
It is our own choices that makes a difference, God had only given us a choice to choose, but these so called religious nuts, always can't accept to take on their own responsibilities, and when times get tough, the first thing they do, is blame others around them, such as God.
So these hypocrites aren't afraid of Hell fire, only because they don't believe it ever existed.
This is why many scriptures are missing from their bible, because none of the scriptures you have shared would make any sense to them, the only time they will learn about such, is if they turn themselves around against the Watchtower and come and follow after Christ.

solite3:
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Psalms 140:10 Let burning coals fall upon them: let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up again.

Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who amongus shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the
furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Matthew 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the
fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

James 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I really don't how your mind works, I don't think you know either. How does {Matthew 10:28} line up with [Luke 16:22-26}

dolphinheart:
brocab, I know you might not respond to the post bout spirit going to hell, but the one who you claim to be your brother has just posted a verse that exposes your false spirit theory further.
your false teaching on Jesus is the father has Been exposed by your other brother, we might bring that issue up later too

Without proof we have the rights to believe how we choose, and its your fault you have given us reasons to believe you are many?
Not just one writer, because dolphinheart writes things that he/she cant remember, and denies it after you have written it.
When we look into John74 statement, you had written about the two headed God, and when questioned about such statement you denied 'you had even written such a statement.
You are either a liar or their's someone else calling themselves dolphinheart that you allow to write on your IP.

dolphinheart:
@ brocab and solite3, a beg, who be dolphinsheart, cus I've not seen any of his or her post on this thread.
brocab, pls give proof of your belief.
I've shown all about the existence of solite3

The JW's have always taught Jesus went into Heaven to sit on God's right hand side in the Spirit, and you continualed to teach Jesus came to earth as the archangel Michael in the Spirit, and return to heaven in the Spirit.
Yet Jesus ate and drank after He was resurrected with His disciples, as you believe in the Spirit.
Even if it said Abraham's side, it still would mean Paradise, because Abraham was in Paradise, as the scriptures tell's us he was.
The poor man died and was buried and the poor mans Spirit was brought by the angels to Abraham.
The rich man died and was buried and His Spirit went into Hades {Hell} again as the scriptures tell's us he is.
So really you haven't a leg to stand on when arguing about your own beliefs.

Jozzy4:
@ bold , Jesus ate when he materialized a human body. Are you now admitting the rich man is alive in human body ? Contrary to your spirit claim ?



Confused man, does the rich MAN sound like a spirit to you ?

Do spirit have tongue ? what is a tongue made of ? Flesh !!!



Forget your twisting, scripture says the spirit or breath returns to God as u confess !!! Period . not to hellfire as brocab theorised



Abraham bossom is what ? paradise . you just rendered the whole story symbolical. If you insist it's literal kindly accept that Abraham's bossom is what it is . Abraham's chest position.

Even after all that, Jozzy believes the rich man stayed alive in Hades asking for water of Abraham. Are these guys nuts?
Can you believe it

johnw74:
Bro, as you can see false jw jozzy doesn't comprehend anything that is said, either that or he twists things around because he has no answer,
which is dishonest - lying, which he does often, and which is another jw trait.

As you know he doesn't understand the Bible either, and using a corrupted Bible and being told what to believe just makes it doubly worse.

Some say they are not jw, but if they believe false jw teachings then they are false jw and do lie.
If they follow satans teachings then they are satans disciples.