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But even in the Garden of Eden how many people did Adam see? "One" Adam said He had seen the Lord God walking in the Garden-before Adam was made, God Said Let Us make man into our own Image-who was God talking too? And who is Us?
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Right on brother {John 1:1} spells it out pretty clear, that Jesus isn't just a God" He is "the God" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God-Jesus kept on repeating Himself I and the Father are One.
So if this doesn't answer your Questionnaire, then nothing will.
If I was an JW atheist then I couldn't believe in such knowledge-because this knowledge doesn't come from the world, this knowledge can only come from the Spirit of God, the Almighty reveals such wisdom and knowledge into those who have chosen to believe, my flesh and my mind is carnal {Romans 8:6-7} The mind govern by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God, it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.
{1 Corinthians 6:17} but whoever is united with the Lord is one with Him in Spirit.
So this information I give to you, does not come from my flesh, but the Spirit of God in me reveals this to you.

tempem:
Bro, does john 1:1 and 1: 14 harmonize?
Am not just getting it.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1
Who was the Word/ God?

Answer
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14. Jesus is the Word.
Obviously, going by John 1:1.. . That identifies Jesus to be God" and not "a god", right?

Just read {John 1:1} this scripture spells it out pretty clearly who is the "ONE GOD"
Of course your bible says otherwise-but as we all know, you don't know-what we know, and the Spirit of God is not in you-for you to know.

CAPTIVATOR:
Scripture that said Jesus and his Father are " ONE GOD " ?

* the Father is the God of Jesus ! anytime, anyday . this won't be possible if they are the same God. comprehend ?

Are your pastors on drugs over their-it seems you have all the nutters just for the cash they can control the people, you people need to read the word of God, not listen to every word these devil worshippers are telling you.
Telling the people to strip of their clothing isn't the word of God, this so called Pastor belongs to a cult, do any of these people know the Lord at all-or is this a cult?
This man is flesh and blood-he isn't a God-and he needs to be stopped, if any of these so called Church followers know Christ, stand up to this fool, and claim the word of God over him, so he can repent and be saved.

It seems everyone is on holiday's at the moment-usually when it's quite, soon the thunder will roar, and the Almighty Jesus will raise up once more-and caste His anointing over His people-and the war begins with a bang against the principalities and against the darkness in this world.
But I am sure we Christians need a break a resting period from these unbelieving so called Christians we have on this site.
Everyone who can twist and turn the scriptures around as good as the JW's might as well call themselves atheist.
Neither are they Hot nor are they Cold in the word of God, but lukewarm, people that don't matter in any religion, only to themselves they glorify their own. www.watchtowerorganisation.com.

The truth is your pastor does tell you about tithes, it was after I was saved, Not Jesus Himself-nor in His word-but it was the Church had told me about tithes.
And every church holds a pastor-and everything that comes down is from the top is told to the Church-So yes the pastor tells the Church to pay tithes. Of course the Pastor believes he/she is either Jewish or maybe a levite priest-and maybe you Christians believe you are Jews instead of Gentiles, Not even in Israel the Jews pay tithes.
And all you tithers who choose to pay tithes in cash then at least do the right thing and obey the rest of the other 612 Mosaic Laws, that was given back then. Do what the pastor does I am sure he/she obeys those laws?

Yes and I agree, come and be Saved.

solite3:
I m calling on all Jehovah witnesses to repent now! You are not serving God believe in Jesus alone stop preaching heresies look for a bible believing church and worship there, for there is no other name that has been given to men under heaven wherein they are to be saved.

{1 Corinthians 10:16-17} and read what Paul had written, before you start judging who's religious and who's not, try looking up a bit of history about the Sunday worship-and who stated it, and why? Theirs a lot more to this, that meets the eye-the Lord told us there's a dark side, in everything.
But of course you may not believe, because you have never experience either side of the coin.

OLAADEGBU:
Religious folks are bound to follow what Constantine stated not genuine Christians.



I believe your objections have been answered on the thread below. Click and see the answers.

We can continue our discussion on this thread ==> https://www.nairaland.com/2842461/what-lords-day

Dolphinhearts Quote>pls show us where God claimed to have died, then also show us where Jesus also claims to have died?
From the beginning these same scriptures were brought forward {Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 1:7-8} Whom you had refuse to believe these scriptures were about Jesus.
{Revelation 1:18} I Am he that lived and was dead, and behold I am alive forevermore. Amen.. and I have the keys of Hell and of death.
{1 John 5:20} And for the third time I have answered this verse-How many times would I have to answer this same scripture, Before you accept the answers from me?
Dolphinheart without the Spirit this verse will always be confusing for you, you need the Spirit of God to help you see scriptures come alive, Dolphinheart-I think Dead man walking, would be a perfect description, to give unto you.
Your claims for me not answering any of the scriptures is because I don't answer them the way you would like me to answer them.
How many times do I have to repeat myself, I don't see any of the scriptures the way you understand them to be-I see these scriptures in a much deeper channel-I don't see them the way you believe you understand them.
So trying to push me for the answers 'the way you would like me to answer them, then all I can say is, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Again I will repeat myself-I don't see the scriptures the way you 'see them. And I can't answer the scriptures the way you would like me to answer them?
Dolphinheart you are dealing with born again Spirit filled Christians. We don't just see these verses in the flesh only, we see them in the Spirit too.

dolphinheart:
sir, unlike you, I do prefer to quote the scriptures, it takes space and time, but I don't mind. so that anyone seeing my explanations or reading my views will know where I got them from. There is no need to rush a reply, read the post carefully, look at all the scriptures and questions asked , then reply. Mostimes , I try to number each point, you can follow that method too.

pls do stop lying sir, if you had answered a question , I will not repeat it.


1. even if there is a Mrs dolphinheart, we wunt still be one person! so your question is wrong!

2. PLS PLS PLS, SHOW WHERE I WRITE SOMETHING ON ONE PAGE AND DENY IT THE NEXT PAGE.
DID I WRITE " TWO HEADED GOD'S ? NO! STOP CHANGING AND TWISTING WHAT I WROTE!
you once claimed to have seen where I wrote the words under discussion, but even you refuse to post the full text of that post on these thread !


1. Im not the one forcing you to reply
2. I'm not the one forcing to reply without taking your time
3. I'm not abusing you, I'm just stating a fact.
4. I'm not even quick replying you, sometimes It take days before I reply!
5. you dream and wish I'm angry and frustrated, but you are wrong, neither will I follow you in discussing emotional state of others!


someone who is a follower of Christ will not resort to deliberate lies, false accusations, attempted defamation, refusal to quote and explain scriptures, deliberate changing of issues under discussion, refusal to answer questions , just to look right!
The scriptures I've quoted to you, which you have refused to read and share your opinion is enough to show the world that I indeed tried to share something with you or through you!


1. always changing the scriptures?, pls show one example of where I did that?
2. I not even trying to convince you sir!
3. you claim to know the truth, yet you vehemently refuse to explain certain scriptures posted to you!


take as many days as you want to read it if you want to, nobody is forcing you as to time and space!
If your view on who god is contradicts what the scriptures says, them their is something wrong with your view of who godo is. It is this contradiction you are afraid of , hence your refusal to answer certain questions or explain certain scriptures .


continue lying and adding to the scriptures, no wonder you can't quote them.


pls show us where God claimed to have died, then also show us where Jesus also claims to have died?


you could not answer simple questions about your seed theory , it could not stand scrutiny!

A)let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4)even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.
PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

brocab, for the third time you have refused to explain these scripture:

Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

But not even you can change what Constantine had stated.
{1 Corinthians 10:16-17} Paul states the breaking of bread is not the communion of the Blood of Jesus, it is not the communion of the body of Christ.
To be honest this doesn't prove we are to meet only on the first day of the week {Sunday}
Paul kept the Sabbath even after Jesus had died. Jesus died on the 6th day {Friday} and was risen in the Sabbath {Saturday} before sundown-If we Christians were to rest and worship on Sunday, then why were the women bringing spices to Jesus on the first day-and not the Sabbath day before?
Again the Roman empire Constantine had a large part changing the Sabbath to Sunday.
Searching the scriptures I agree, but I also agree the lord, opens the doors for us to learn of each other.

OLAADEGBU:
Jesus rather gave the proper interpretation of what the Sabbath is meant to be.



So why can't you take you cue from Christ's disciples?



But do you see why the early Christians chose the first day of the week as a day of worship?



Sunday was proclaimed the legal day for Roman Catholics. Christians are not Roman catholics and vice versa, don't get confused.



Who said Paul changed the Sabbath day? True Christians take their example from the Scriptures and not from the Vatican.

Is their anyway dolphinheart you may shorten your pages-it is hard to keep up with all your demands, and everything you seem to rewrite, I have either answered them time and time over-do you actually read the answers?
I don't believe you are one person dolphinheart-is their a Mrs dolphinheart? All is their a Mr? You can't seem to keep up with the times, you write one thing on one page and deny it on the next page. Like the two headed God's you wrote and denied to John74.
Which of course your long pages are starting to bore me, it seems You aren't happy with the scriptures you had found to prove Jesus and His Father are separable, nor are you happy about giving anybody time to answer, I don't see these as so called questions, I see them as demands-Jesus said: by their fruit you will know them; you are quick when replying back, angry and frustrated, throwing in a little abuse towards me and of course my fellow Christians.
Mr dolphinheart, is this the right way to act towards other believers? Sorry Mr dolphinheart-their is nothing you have shared with me-nor had proven any of the truth about Christ.
Always changing the scriptures every time you rewrite or write a new page-doesn't make a difference. You need to come up with a different approach about the scriptures, your way isn't working, your fleshly method of trying to be convincing, really isn't enough to lead us away from the truth.
If you want me to keep up with the times-then it is best to shorten your pages, I haven't got all day trying to read your long and boring documentation. I don't need to write a long list of scriptures to prove to myself who God is to me.
All the bible's-ESPECIALLY the NWT Bible states God and Jesus are One the same, both are not separable, both need each other. But in your case you need the hole bible to prove God and Jesus are separable. Both are the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end-the first and the last. Both claim I was alive, and I was dead, and look I am alive forevermore. If this is classed as being separable, Then who's coming?
The seed theory just blew over you head. I was trying to give you an example, how the seeds work-but of course that was a waste of time, once again.

dolphinheart:
WHAT HAS THE FATHER SAID ABOUT HIS SON ? pls read the scriptures below :

Mt 17:5While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.”

Isa 42:1[u]Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.[/b]

do you remember what the angel told Mary ?
King James Version
Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

do you read what the apostle said :
2Pe 1:17, 18For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.”18Yes, these words we heard coming from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain.

if God said you should listen to his son, why do you now refuse to do that when he said :
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


you will not quote the verse
you will not explain the verse in full
you cannot counter the explanation giving to you
neither can you answer this question being asked a third time :

let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1)Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2)him that is true, and we are in (3)him that is true, (4)even in (5)his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.


pls use the scriptures to explain the bolded above


continue!, when Jesus and the scriptures I've identified the true God, when Jesus has told you that only the father is the true god!


unfortunately for you, because you refused to read that verse, you did not not understand what John has been saying from verse one.
I quoted some verses from that chapter, you could not read it, talk less of explaining it:

King James Version
1Jo 5:5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

King James Version
1Jo 5:11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

you can continue to follow your man made understandings, I've explained the grammar to you, I've shown you what scholars said. But you will not see it .


can you see how silly your explanation is? Jesus himself has told you that the father is the only true god!


is my father his seed? no
I'm my father's seed, does it mean I'm my father? no
me and my brothers and sisters are from the same seed? am I my brother and sister? no
brocab, that I'm connected to my father and mother and siblings, does not mean I'm same person with any or all of them!.
Jesus is a separate person from the most high!


YOU CAN LIE ! , the bolded above , where did you see it in the verse you quoted?



no wonder you had to lie about marriage becoming one person, you wanted to use to support the second lie!, where did you read it that the son and father become one person !? brocab, stop creating false statements!

your statement "becoming one person exposes you further, pls tell us, are they two separate persons before becoming one person?


so when the son sees the father, he sees a mirror reflection of himself too abi? continue!

PLS NOTICE THAT HE HAS STILL REFUSED TO QUOTE AND RESPOND TO CERTAIN SCRIPTURES CUS THEY WILL NOT SUPPORT HIS FALSE, MAN MADE DERIVED, INDIRECT IDEALOGIES!

Now let me ask you , can you explain this scripture ?
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

Yes this scripture can only sound the way it is written, but what your problem is-you just don't see it the way it sounds.
You are to busy trying to separate the Father away from His Son-that you are not seeing the bigger picture what God had said about His Son.
Its the way the scriptures says it-that you are not understanding? {1 John 5:20} Even in His Son Jesus-this is the true God a eternal life.
If I was to see this verse as the world see's this verse-then I would see it the way you can see it, only by separating the Father from the Son.
But because I see it written the way God see's His Son-I can understand the Father when He wrote this verse-He is not separating Himself from His Son-matter of fact He is claiming He and His Son are all in One.
His seed is His Son's seed-both Father and Son are not separable. Even in His Son Jesus Christ-this is the true God and eternal life.
The Father Has just told me-Jesus is the true God just as the Father is the true God.
If I was speaking with the Father {who has a Fathers pride of course} then I can imagine how this would sound, the Fathers would say, My son has come, and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him, that everything My Son say's it's true.
{I would say to myself "wow this dad loves His son} And if I stood their long enough and listened to the Father, Then I would see it, the same as the Father had just told me-even in His Son-He believes He is the true God and eternal life, just like the Father is..
You need to ask yourself dolphinheart do you separate your Father, and separate yourself from your Mother" Or are you still connected with your fathers Seed, and your seed, and your Mothers seed?
Have you ever heard that when two people marry they become one person.{Mark 10:7-8} FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE UNITED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO WILL BECOME ONE FLESH, SO THEY ARE NO-LONGER TWO BUT ONE FLESH.
So does this mean? The Father and His Son are in a marriage type relationship becoming One person. So when the Father see's His Son, He can only see Him in the Likeness of Himself. So it's like looking into a mirror reflecting of each other, that they cannot be separable, even if they could, they can't. So if you believe the Mormons description-then you must believe Jesus and God are one the same.

dolphinheart:
the person of jesus is different from the person of the father! , here are just 3 of them

mark 13:32 “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.

Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”


that's not what jesus told you,
jesus told you that the only true god is the father!


thats not what the scriptures tell us.


you need to quote the verses you are referring to in the old and new testament first, then I will explain.
God was not talking to himself , at least that is certain. God was talking to his son, who he used in the creation works

Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.




the father was in heaven!
Read :
matt 7:21
matt 10: 32
matt 10: 33
matt 12 :50
matt 16 :17
and a whole bunch of other scriptures
Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father

Mt 6:9“You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.

abeg, which elijah and moses came to speak to jesus, are you talking about the vision?


I've used the scripture to tell you where the father is!

Now let me ask you , can you explain this scripture ?
Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.



diversionary tactics again, lets clear the issues on ground first , notice you have deliberately and totally deviated from the issues at hand :

you refused as expected to respond to this:

let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1)Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2)him that is true, and we are in (3)him that is true, (4)even in (5)his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

* no need to quote the numerous scriptures you have refused to respond to , even if I quote them to you again, you cannot respond to them!

Well done and well said-Isaiah is about Jesus being an out cast to the public-even to His own, don't we all feel this same way when speaking with the JW atheist, they believe we are the outcast of Christianity.
Only if they knew the truth, they would change like it is in a twinkle of an eye-their old self had past away, and the new self had now began.

zodiakzax:
King James Bible Matt 16:27

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Jesus said He shall come as the Son of Man not as the Son of God. What do you understand by as the Son of Man? Here is the difference between Son of man and Son of God. Son of man = Human nature, Son of God= God's Nature. He will come not as God to judge man but as Man to judge mankind so that mankind will not have any excuse when being Judged by his fellow Man. He was born in the lowliest form, born in a place where animals sleep and feed, yes, born in a manger, don't be deceived by the movies, they don't get close to how that place was. It's a nasty place. Our Lord wasn't as handsome as the movies portray Him to be, He was not handsome outwardly, just like Isaiah said in Isaiah 53:2 and Christ was poor. He went through everything that any lowly man would go through, so that at the end no one will have an excuse when He comes to Judge us. He comes not as God to judge us but as Man to judge us.

He shall come In the Glory of His Father. God the Father says I share not my glory with anyone else. Isa 42:8

God is called the King of glory. Ps 24:8-10

Jesus is the Lord of Glory: 1con 2:8

If you still can't understand this then you are in deep confusion.

You keep on mentioning the samething over and over again,

My Father is greater than I: that is because Father is greater than Son in position and that is also because even though He (Jesus) was in the form of God He thought it not robbery to be equal with God....Phil 2:6

The Head of Christ is God: same principle.

Jesus will be subjected to God Same principle.

You lack the understanding when Christ is referred to us God or as Man. If you don't understand this simple logic, you can never understand the mysteries of the Trinity.

Jesus observed the Sabbath {Luke 14:6} He never suggested a change to Sunday, He did however "reject a strict legalistic interpretation of the Old testament commandment, He said Sabbath observance was not a duty that man kind owned to God, "Rather" God made the Sabbath as a day of rest, for man kind benefit {Mark 2:27} Jesus and His disciples did not observe the strict Jewish rules, against doing any work on the Sabbath {Matthew 12:1-14, Mark 2:23-28, 3:1-6, Luke 6:1-11, 13:10-17, 14:1-6, John 5:1-18}
The first Christians came among the Jews, they continued to worship as Jews, to observe the Sabbath {Acts 13:14, 17:1-2, 18:1-4} But because Jesus rose from the dead on the first day, of the week Sunday, those early Christians called it the "Lord's day" {Revelation 1:10} and also met their Christ worship on Sunday {Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2}
When Gentles non Jews began to convert into Christianity, disputes arose about whether the Gentiles had to observe the Jewish laws about circumcision, dietary restrictions, Sabbath observance etc, in 49 A.D. Paul Peter James, and other Church leaders met at the council of Jerusalem, and decided with the guidance with the Holy Spirit, that it was not necessary for the Christians to observe the Sabbath rules and other aspects of Jewish Law {Acts 15:28-29, Romans 14:5-6, Colossians 2:16}
Now as I had stated earlier-In the earlier centuries of Christianity or the Christian communities of the world were under control of the Roman empire. Constantine was the first Roman empire, to convert to Christianity in 321 A.D. He proclaim Sunday the legal day of rest and ordered all judges, City people and craftsmen to rest. Back then the Jews didn't agree with the Christians {John 9:22, 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16} the Jews did not want the Christians to rest on the Sabbath, Constantine had seen an opportunity, and He took it.
So it wasn't Paul that changed the Sabbath day as the story go's "Constantine had made the new Sabbath Sunday. And today some Christians observe the Sunday as a day of worship, and some keep the Sabbath day.
Both days are worshipped, but it was Constantine not the disciples-who had Changed it to a one day Law.
But for me I don't worship Jesus on just those two days, I worship Jesus everyday. This is what the disciples were asking for.

OLAADEGBU:
Don't be deceived by conspiracy theories. Study the Word of God to arrive at the truth. Below is an article about how Christians arrived at the use of Sunday as the worship day.

The First Day of the Week

"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight" (Acts 20:7)

Given the fact that everything about God's Word was specifically inspired by its Author, it is appropriate that this important phrase, "the first day of the week," occurs exactly eight times in the Bible. The first six of these (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19) all stress the fact that it was on this day that the greatest event in history (since the creation) had taken place. The creation of the universe had taken place on the first day of the week, and now its Creator had conquered sin and death itself on that day. In the Bible, of course, the number "seven" represents completeness, so "eight" represents a new beginning—a new creation, a resurrection.

The last two references tell us just how the early Christians remembered this day. Our text verse tells us this was a day on which the disciples assembled together, had a preaching service, and then "broke bread." This was not a special assembly called just for Paul, for he had already been waiting there six days (see previous verse). This was about 25 years after the resurrection itself, and the Jewish believers were evidently still observing the seventh day as a rest day, but then they also observed the first day of the week as the time to commemorate the Lord's death in "breaking of bread" to celebrate His resurrection, and especially to hear the preaching of His Word. The final reference tells us one other vital thing they did: "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him" (1 Corinthians 16:2). The first day of the week should always be a time of remembering Him in these joyful ways, for He is our living Lord and Savior. HMM

For more . . . .

It is you who is not understanding the scripture-where about's in this scripture is Jesus separated from His Father?
The Father and the Son is the true God and eternal life. They were never separated-they could never do anything on their own accord, without each other. So explain Who was the Lord in the Old Testament, and who was the Lord Jesus in the New Testament.
Explain in the beginning God said Let Us make man in our own image-who was God talking too? And who is Us? And Our own image?
Please explain.
This is your problem, you believe Jesus can't be His Father-nor His Father to be a Spirit being over or in Jesus-you believe the Father and the Son are two separate people-If this is the case-where was the Father standing when Jesus had done all His miracles, Why weren't the Father walking with His Son on all accounts, and why didn't the Father come and talk directly with Jesus when Elijah and Moses had spoken to Him on the mount. Where was His Father then?
Please explain to us where was the Father when Jesus done all His works on Earth-The Mormon's believe God and Jesus are twins, So lets hear it from you, WHAT DO YOU SAY?
It seems you can only understand the natural things the world gives. And you can't understand the Spiritual things God gives.
You may also believe in your own self being, that most bibles has not the true text to the Word Of God, But the bibles don't preach that Jesus is the archangel Michael either, So please inform us viewers what part of the bible where it tells this story, And why add such rubbish to the scriptures when everyone knows God forbids such. The JW's had followed after the Seventh Day Adventist. Or did the Seventh Day Adventist follow after the JW's?

dolphinheart:
1.)) I'm I contradicting what the scripture said ? no , I'm only explaining the scriptures to you. You have posted those scriptures , yet you refuse to explain it in its entirety
let's see if you can answer these questions(I know you will not, but will give you a chance to prove me wrong)
King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the (1)Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2)him that is true, and we are in (3)him that is true, (4)even in (5)his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

now brocab, pls tell us:
1. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
3. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
4. what do you understand by the underlined "even I his son" in (4)
5. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

PLS NOTE IF HE WILL ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.

2.)) there where verses quoted to you from 1 John chapter 5, you where asked to give your explanations or views on them, but you refused to :

King James Version
1Jo 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
no wonder you could not quote it from the KJV.

3.)) you where not able to respond to the views of scholars on the grammar:

[b]1. Many Trinitarians (including brocab)claim that the final sentence in the verse, “This is the true God,” refers to Jesus Christ, since the closest noun to “This” is “Jesus Christ.” However, since God and Jesus are both referred to in the first sentence of the verse, the final sentence can refer to either one of them. The word “this,” which begins the last sentence, is houtos, and a study of it will show that the context, not the closest noun or pronoun, must determine to whom “this” is referring. The Bible provides examples of this, and a good one is in Acts 7:18 and 19 ( KJV ):
“Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same ( houtos) dealt subtilly with our kindred…, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.” It is clear from this example that “the same” ( houtos ) cannot refer to Joseph, even though Joseph is the closest noun. It refers to the other king earlier in the verse, even though that evil king is not the closest noun.

If it were true that pronouns always referred to the closest noun, serious theological problems would result. An example is Acts 4:10 and 11:
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This [houtos ] is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” ( KJV ). If “This” in the last sentence refers to the closest noun or pronoun, then the man who was healed is actually the stone rejected by the builders that has become the head of the corner, i.e., the Christ. Of course, that is not true.

An even more troublesome example for those not recognizing that the context, not noun and pronoun placement, is the most vital key in determining proper meaning, is 2 John 1:7: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist” ( KJV) . The structure of this verse closely parallels the structure of the verse we are studying. If one insists that the final phrase of 1 John 5:20 refers to Jesus because he is the closest associated noun, then that same person is going to be forced by his own logic to insist that Jesus Christ is a deceiver and an antichrist, which of course is absurd. Thus we conclude that, although the last phrase of 1 John 5:20 may refer to Jesus Christ, it can just as easily refer to God, who appears in the phrase “Son of God” and, via the possessive pronoun “his,” in the phrase “ his Son Jesus.” To which of the two it refers must be determined from studying the words in the verse and the remoter context.

And many authoritative scholars do not accept this Trinitarian view. Cambridge University scholar B. F. Westcott wrote: “The most natural reference [of the pronoun houʹtos ] is to the subject not locally nearest but dominant in the mind of the apostle.” Thus, the apostle John had in mind Jesus’ Father.

German theologian Erich Haupt wrote: “It has to be determined whether the [ houʹtos ] of the next proposition refers to the locally and immediately preceding subject . . . or to the more distant antecedent God. . . . A testimony to the one true God seems more in harmony with the final warning against idols than a demonstration of the divinity of Christ.”
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Neither could you respond to the explanations on the context:

[b]2. Once it is clear that the last sentence in the verse can refer to either Jesus or God, it must be determined which of the two it is describing. The context and remoter context will determine to whom the phrase “true God” applies.
The result of that examination is that the phrase “true God” is used four times in the Bible beside here: 2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10; John 17:3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. In all four of these places, the “true God” refers to the Father and not the Son.

Especially relevant is John 17:3, which is Jesus’ prayer to God. In that prayer, Jesus calls God “the only true God.” These examples are made more powerful by the consideration that 1 John is a late epistle, and thus the readers of the Bible were already used to God being called the “true God.” Add to that the fact that John is the writer of both the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John, and he would be likely to use the phrase the same way. Thus, there is every reason to believe that the “true God” of 1 John 5:20 is the heavenly Father, and there is no precedent for believing that it refers to the Son.

3. From studying the immediate context, we learn that this very verse mentions “him that is true” two times, and both times it refers to the Father. Since the verse twice refers to the Father as “the one who is true,” that is a strong argument that “the true God” in the last part of the verse is the same being.

4. Not all Trinitarians believe that the last sentence in the verse refers to the Son. A study of commentators on the verse will show that a considerable number of Trinitarian scholars say that this phrase refers to the Father. Norton and Farley each give a list of suchscholars. In his commentary on 1 John, Lenski writes that although the official explanation of the Church is to make the sentence refer to the Son:

This exegesis of the church is now called a mistake by a number of commentators who believe in the full deity of Jesus as it is revealed in Scripture but feel convinced that this houtos clause speaks of the Father and not of His Son.[/b]

4.)) you vehemently refuse to see and ex ermine the scriptures quoted to you, which give further explanation on who the true god really is :

[b]King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Isa 42:8I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Ps 31:5 Into your hand I entrust my spirit. You have redeemed me, O Jehovah, the God of truth.

Lu 23:46 And Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” After he said this, he expired.

Ex 34:6Jehovah was passing before him and declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and compassionate, slow to anger and abundant in loyal love and truth,

Tit 1:1,2Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ according to the faith of God’s chosen ones and the accurate knowledge of the truth that is according to godly devotion
2and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that God, who cannot lie, promised long ago;

Nu 23:19God is not a mere man who tells lies, Nor a son of man who changes his mind. When he says something, will he not do it? When he speaks, will he not carry it out?

King James Version
Joh 17:17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.(jesus' own words)

King James Version
Joh 7:16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.(jesus' own words)

ps 36:9 With you is the source of life;
By your light we can see light.

King James Version
Ro 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Jo 2:1, 2My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.2And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.

Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 1:4by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Significantly, the apostle Paul said that God is “the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.” - Heb 11:6

God rewarded his Son by raising him from the dead, and the Father will give the reward of everlasting life to those who serve Him with all their heart.
King James Version
Ac 26:23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
King James Version
2Co 1:9But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:[/b]

Hence, what conclusion should we come to? That Jehovah, and no one else, is “the true God and life everlasting.” He alone is worthy to receive exclusive worship from those whom he created.— rev 4:11


you yourself has separated the person of Jesus from the person of God, Jesus has told us who the true god is, he said he is the father!. Jesus is not the father, they are different persons!
Read the verse again , it says" this means evaluating life, their gaining knowledge of you , THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and of the one who the true god SENT to earth, Jesus Christ.
This is in harmony with other parts of the scriptures :

[b]Lu 10:25-28Now look! a man versed in the Law stood up to test him and said: “Teacher, what do I need to do to inherit everlasting life?”26He said to him: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?”27In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”28He said to him: “You answered correctly; keep doing this and you will get life.”

1Jo 4:9,10 By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.
10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

Joh 3:16“ For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Ro 5:8But God recommends his own love to us in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Ro 8:32Since he did not even spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, will he not also, along with him, kindly give us all other things?

1Jo 5:11[u]And this is the witness, that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in his Son.[/u][/b]

brocab, hope you read the verses above, that God give evaluating life through his son does not mean God is his son. The son is able to give evalasting life cus the father granted him authority to do so!.

Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.

Brocab, read the scriptures and understand whO Christ is, and who god is :

Joh 5:20For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.

Joh 5:30I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

Joh 5:37[u]And the Father who sent me[/u] has himself borne witness about me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his form,

Jehovah sent Jesus, he told Jesus what he is to tell mankind, pls listen to Jesus words brocab, and do not twist it to indirectly formulate your own theory :

De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.

De 18:18I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him.

[b]Joh 17:8because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.

do not read only verse 8 alone, pls read the whole chapter of John 17. you will realise where the knowledge Jesus passed to his disciples came from.


I have shown you why Jesus does not do anything without the father , he is loyal, always seeking to do the fathers will.
They are one, yes, one in unity and purpose, not one person!, same oneness a husband and wife are expected to have, same oneNess Christians are expected to have.

Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Mt 24:36“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.


falzzzz


don't get it twisted brocab, Jesus is the way to the father, Jesus is not the father!, you can get to the father through Jesus .
that the father sent Jesus does not mean the father is Jesus!

This is so funny.

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But the Scripture still says ESV Bible {1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true; in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and everlasting life.
The KJ says this is the true God and eternal life.
NIV says He is the true God and eternal life.
NKJV say's this is the true God and eternal life.
And how do we receive this eternal life, through Jesus and Jesus only can give us such a gift. {Romans 6:23, John 11:25}
And when does eternal life start, as soon as anyone have faith in Christ {John 3:36, John 5:24 John 6:47}
{ John 17:3} is an important message in this re-guard, as Jesus prays, Now this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent, here Jesus equates "eternal life" and with a knowledge of God and of the Son, Their is no knowledge of God without the Son. {This is where you JW's make that large mistake every time you separate God from the Son}
And of course this is why you can't get your heads around about them both, they are not separated they are One. God couldn't do anything without His Son, nor the Son could do anything without the Father.
It doesn't take rocket science to work this out-every scripture that talks about His Father is talking about Him too.
No One is saved without the Christ-no one can go to the Father without Christ.
You JW's always try to separate Christ from His Father, if you believe the only way into heaven is separating Jesus from His Father-good luck with that.

dolphinheart:
Is the above grammatical explanation true? no !

1. Many Trinitarians (including brocab)claim that the final sentence in the verse, “This is the true God,” refers to Jesus Christ, since the closest noun to “This” is “Jesus Christ.” However, since God and Jesus are both referred to in the first sentence of the verse, the final sentence can refer to either one of them. The word “this,” which begins the last sentence, is houtos, and a study of it will show that the context, not the closest noun or pronoun, must determine to whom “this” is referring. The Bible provides examples of this, and a good one is in Acts 7:18 and 19 ( KJV ):
“Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same ( houtos) dealt subtilly with our kindred…, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.” It is clear from this example that “the same” ( houtos ) cannot refer to Joseph, even though Joseph is the closest noun. It refers to the other king earlier in the verse, even though that evil king is not the closest noun.

If it were true that pronouns always referred to the closest noun, serious theological problems would result. An example is Acts 4:10 and 11:
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This [houtos ] is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” ( KJV ). If “This” in the last sentence refers to the closest noun or pronoun, then the man who was healed is actually the stone rejected by the builders that has become the head of the corner, i.e., the Christ. Of course, that is not true.

An even more troublesome example for those not recognizing that the context, not noun and pronoun placement, is the most vital key in determining proper meaning, is 2 John 1:7: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist” ( KJV) . The structure of this verse closely parallels the structure of the verse we are studying. If one insists that the final phrase of 1 John 5:20 refers to Jesus because he is the closest associated noun, then that same person is going to be forced by his own logic to insist that Jesus Christ is a deceiver and an antichrist, which of course is absurd. Thus we conclude that, although the last phrase of 1 John 5:20 may refer to Jesus Christ, it can just as easily refer to God, who appears in the phrase “Son of God” and, via the possessive pronoun “his,” in the phrase “ his Son Jesus.” To which of the two it refers must be determined from studying the words in the verse and the remoter context.

BROCAB, CAN YOU SEE FROM THE ABOVE THAT YOUR EXPLANATION USING GRAMMAR CANNOT BE SUPPORTED BY THE SCRIPTURES. IF YOU USE YOUR EXPLANATION IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THE WORD " THIS " OCCURS , YOU WILL RUN INTO PROBLEMS!

2. Once it is clear that the last sentence in the verse can refer to either Jesus or God, it must be determined which of the two it is describing. The context and remoter context will determine to whom the phrase “true God” applies.
The result of that examination is that the phrase “true God” is used four times in the Bible beside here: 2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10; John 17:3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. In all four of these places, the “true God” refers to the Father and not the Son.

Especially relevant is John 17:3, which is Jesus’ prayer to God. In that prayer, Jesus calls God “the only true God.” These examples are made more powerful by the consideration that 1 John is a late epistle, and thus the readers of the Bible were already used to God being called the “true God.” Add to that the fact that John is the writer of both the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John, and he would be likely to use the phrase the same way. Thus, there is every reason to believe that the “true God” of 1 John 5:20 is the heavenly Father, and there is no precedent for believing that it refers to the Son.

3. From studying the immediate context, we learn that this very verse mentions “him that is true” two times, and both times it refers to the Father. Since the verse twice refers to the Father as “the one who is true,” that is a strong argument that “the true God” in the last part of the verse is the same being.

4. Not all Trinitarians believe that the last sentence in the verse refers to the Son. A study of commentators on the verse will show that a considerable number of Trinitarian scholars say that this phrase refers to the Father. Norton and Farley each give a list of suchscholars. In his commentary on 1 John, Lenski writes that although the official explanation of the Church is to make the sentence refer to the Son:

This exegesis of the church is now called a mistake by a number of commentators who believe in the full deity of Jesus as it is revealed in Scripture but feel convinced that this houtos clause speaks of the Father and not of His Son.

JEHOVAH, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, is the true God. He is the Creator, the one giving eternal life to those who love him. Indeed, Jesus himself said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”— . joHn 17:3


concerning 1 john 5:20 , Believers in the Trinity doctrine hold that the demonstrative pronoun “this” ( houʹtos ) refers to its immediate antecedent, Jesus Christ. They assert that Jesus is “the true God and life everlasting.” This interpretation, however, is in conflict with the rest of the Scriptures.
And many authoritative scholars do not accept this Trinitarian view. Cambridge University scholar B. F. Westcott wrote: “The most natural reference [of the pronoun houʹtos ] is to the subject not locally nearest but dominant in the mind of the apostle.” Thus, the apostle John had in mind Jesus’ Father.

German theologian Erich Haupt wrote: “It has to be determined whether the [ houʹtos ] of the next proposition refers to the locally and immediately preceding subject . . . or to the more distant antecedent God. . . . A testimony to the one true God seems more in harmony with the final warning against idols than a demonstration of the divinity of Christ.”

Often houʹtos, generally translated “this” or “this one,” does not refer to the immediately preceding subject of a phrase. Other scriptures illustrate the point. At 2 john 2:7, the same apostle and penman of the first letter wrote: “Many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This [ houʹtosʹ ] is the deceiver and the antichrist.” Here the pronoun cannot refer to the closest antecedent—Jesus. Obviously, “this” refers to those who denied Jesus. They collectively are “the deceiver and the antichrist.”

In his Gospel, the apostle John wrote: “Andrew the brother of Simon Peter was one of the two that heard what John said and followed Jesus. First this one [houʹtos ] found his own brother, Simon.”( John 1:40, 41) It is evident that “this one” refers, not to the last person mentioned, but to Andrew. At 1 john 2:22 , the apostle uses the same pronoun in a similar way.

Luke makes similar use of the pronoun, as seen at acts 4:10, 11: “In the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you impaled but whom God raised up from the dead, by this one does this man stand here sound in front of you. This [houʹtosʹ ] is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’” The pronoun “this” clearly does not refer to the man who was healed, though he is the one mentioned just before houʹtos. Certainly, “this” in Ac 4 verse 11 refers to Jesus Christ the Nazarene, who is the “cornerstone” on which the Christian congregation is founded.

Acts 7:18, 19 also illustrates the point: “There rose a different king over Egypt, who did not know of Joseph. This one [houʹtos ] used statecraft against our race.” “This one” who oppressed the Jews was, not Joseph, but Pharaoh, the king of Egypt.

Such passages confirm the observation made by Greek scholar Daniel Wallace, who says that for Greek demonstratives, “what might be the nearest antecedent contextually might not be the nearest antecedent in the author’s mind.”

AGAIN WE HAVE USED THE SCRIPTURES TO EXPLAIN GRAMMAR, NOW LET'S GO INTO THE CONTEXT.

“The True One”
As the apostle John wrote, “the true One” is Jehovah, the Father of Jesus Christ. He is the only true God, the Creator. The apostle Paul acknowledged: “There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are.” ( 1 Corinthians 8:6; Isaiah 42:

Another reason that Jehovah is “the true one” referred to at 1 john 5:20 is that he is the Source of truth. The psalmist called Jehovah “the God of truth” because He is faithful in all He does and cannot lie.( psalm 31:5; Exodus 34:6; Titus 1:2)

Referring to his heavenly Father, the Son said: “Your word is truth.” And regarding his own teaching, Jesus stated: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me.”
John 7:16; 17:17
King James Version
Joh 17:17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

King James Version
Joh 7:16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

Jehovah is also “life everlasting.” He is the Source of life, the One giving it as an undeserved gift through Christ.

ps 36:9 With you is the source of life;
By your light we can see light.

King James Version
Ro 6:23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Jo 2:1, 2My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.2And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.

Significantly, the apostle Paul said that God is “the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.” - Heb 11:6

God rewarded his Son by raising him from the dead, and the Father will give the reward of everlasting life to those who serve Him with all their heart.
King James Version
Ac 26:23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
King James Version
2Co 1:9But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:

Hence, what conclusion should we come to? That Jehovah, and no one else, is “the true God and life everlasting.” He alone is worthy to receive exclusive worship from those whom he created.— rev 4:11

BROCAB, IVE GIVEN YOU A GRAMMARTICAL EXPLANATION, IVE ALSO GIVEN YOU A CONTEXTUAL EXPLANATION, AND IVE USED THE SCRIPTURES TO GUIDE YOU TO THE TRUE GOD. IF YOU WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME, LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF JESUS HIMSELF!
King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



you do not read the scriptures brocab , cus if you do you would not have said this .
Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 1:4by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men.
read those scriptures above brocab and let's see if you can explain them!


yep, it is written , expecially words found in John 17:3 and pslams 36:9


did I ever say the verse could be a mistake? no , brocab, don't bring your lies to this again.


had to scratch that part off cus that not how the verse was written.
you could not even explain that verse in its entirety, and I've done so. The one who is true has a son, that alone should have given you insight on the one who is true !
sir, scripture explains scripture, compare what the scriptures say about "true god" , and you will know who he is!


you are very funny, but I wunt go there with you.
go and read John chapter 17.



lemme quote it alongside some other verses of that chapted from the KJV
King James Version
1Jo 5:5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

King James Version
1Jo 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

King James Version
1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
no wonder you could not quote it from the KJV.


1. taxes and tithe are not the same
2. They both don't have percentages attached or added to them!
3. If Jesus had not payed the tithe, he would have broken the mosaic law!, he would not have been able to fulfill it.

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

How far back do you want it? Documentation dating back the first dynasty in Egypt between 3000 and 2800 B.C. Show evidence that Pharaohs appeared before the people to collect taxes. Back then some People were charged up to 60% in Taxes of His yearly harvest.
Tithes were also handled the same as Taxes both with a percentage, tithes were given around the 23% yearly plan.
I believe It was Rome who had switched the Taxes from harvesting to the cash flow-so you see taxes had a percentage back in 3000 B.C. And Taxes haven't changed since. Everyone pays a percentage.
And it doesn't matter how many times I have explain to you about the Sabbath day-or about Tithes and Taxes-you still haven't a clue what the hell is going on.
Try studying up yourself-and maybe you too will find the answers.
The problem with you dolphinheart is you are to busy calling us lairs, when all you need to do is look in your own mirror.
You write things that doesn't add up-and when someone fronts you on that issue, you lie through your own teeth that hard-everyone can see you doing it. And still you deny it.
Rutherford was taking money of the people the same as the prosperity preachers do when retrieving tithes in the Church-and Rutherford used this same method through the recession-still collecting the cash flow while thousands of the JW's had nothing and many did staved to death, where was Rutherford then, "of course no-where to be found.
How about the so called false prophesies, 1914 1925 etc..JW's would sell of their properties, many farmers didn't plant chops because of your false organisation, again families died through these hard and tough times-this is why the world calls you a cult.
These same lies have spread through each of you-lying on top of lying, and still you believe your lies.
But it is still good you still believe in {1 John 5:20} This will take time before you start realising, the pages you have written so far are senseless, and one day the Lord will show you the truth about Him. Amen...

dolphinheart:
BROCAB, PLS DO NOT CUT PART OF MY POST OFF!

here is my post again:

custom tithes?
Sir, there are different payments not two types of payment.



therefore, in essence, jesus broke the mosaic law before fulfilling it!
plso show where the law was not for all people to tithe, (note the word tithe)?
you have now totally deviated from using the scriptures as a guide for your views.
plus quote the Law as regard to thithe's . inclysive of the one to tithe a food type!


plso quote some of those laws, who uses them today and state why they use them. Also state why they do not use others!


those paying taxes today , do they pay tax according to the mosaic law?no
those you say pay thithe today, do they do so according to the mosaic law?(I leave the answer to you and to those who pay tithe)
does the watchtower collect tithe? no
is the watchtower wrong with their method of monetary contributions?no


each church? definitely not with jehovahs witnesses!


Rutherford had all what?.
imagine how you view things, does travelling mean you have it all? There are millions of people who travel the world ? but they are not rich.
Their are millions of people who travel the world, but how you travel the world and for which purpose says a lot sir!
you mentioned recession, but you had to lie that everyone staved!, and you are trying to say one should not travel cus there is recession.


RCCG, WINNERS CHAPEL , MFM and members of other churches, pls take note.

brocab, you have refused to show us the law that you believed was changed. you have refused to tell us who the law is for!, you gave vehemently refused to tell us how you came about Sabbath Saturday. You asked a faulty question, based on parameters that do not exist! and you have still refused to explain them .

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah

NOW LET'S LOOK AT WHAT YOU POSTED

false accusation, PLS provide just one example where I've changed you page.


and yet up till now , you have not been able to show how taxes back then have percentage added to them.


Abraham payed customs and tithe?, you seem to create words out of knowhere, the words" custom and tithe", are you referring to one thing or two different things?


difficult to find anything? is that your excuse of not being able to show how taxes had a percentage?


what a a a a at!!!
The tithe system as giving in the mosaic law, IS IT DAMAGING?,If not, then you are a liar!


does the abuse of the law mean that the law itself was damaging? no!

you deliberately cut off my post so as not to respond to the issues there.

I live on the other side of the world bro, it will be costly to ring, but hey anytime you would like to write, I am hear always for a brother. I have already written to your website, under brocab-I will add my phone number, but I don't know these websites. whatsapp or bbm?

zodiakzax:
am from Ghana, we can chat through whatsapp or bbm, not necessarily phone calls. So you can send me your number through my email if that's fine With you.

Thanks for your email you say you would like to chat with me, firstly I would like to ask you-what part of the world are we from? I only ask because the phone calling can be costly.

zodiakzax:
hi bro, I've been missing inaction but am back for couple of days, you and the others are doing a very good work here keep it up and for the record I don't pay and believe in tithing. I used to pay but when the Lord opened my eyes to the deception of it I stopped. The only requirement God needed from us in order to save and bless Us was Christ. Here is my email zodiakzax12@gmail.com, send me your number so we can chat via whatsapp if you don't mind.

If you weren't to busy adding to my pages then we could exchange information that concerns the Taxes and the Tithes.
But you, sort changing my pages, it seems you may have all your answers already answered for you.
Why then, are you wasting your time asking me?
And of course they have different payments-Taxes have a cash flow while the Tithes were suppose to be a food product, Back then...But the Pharisees had changed that idea-they would visit Jezebel women of the dark at night. I keep on telling you, the similarities between them, they both have the percentages added to them. And of course they have both been abused.
{Genies 14} Abraham only paid Customs and Tithes to Melchizedek, because it was a Custom in that country-But Abraham paid-with goods that didn't belong to him.
{Numbers 18:20-21} Then the Lord said to Aaron: "You shall have no inheritance in their land, Nor shall you have any portion among them; I Am you portion and your inheritance among the Children of Israel.
"Behold I have given the Children of Levi all the Tithes, in Israel as a inheritance in return for the work which they preform, the work of the Tabernacle of meeting.
Bring all your Tithes into the Storehouse, so maybe My people will be fed {Malachi 3:10}
This amazes me dolphinheart how one like yourself find it difficult to find anything? Have you not heard-let your fingers to do the walking, Have you ever looked into a phone book? Well the bible has similarities-both books have the information we need.
Tithing was the most damaging system ever made {Matthew 23} really gives us a deep insight how the Pharisees abuse the Tithing system. Jesus had made a new covenant, And by looking into the evidence, I can understand why' Those who obey this old law today are cursed with a curse {Galatians 3:10} The Pharisees abused the Tithing system back then, and the Tithing system is abused the same way today-both Pharisees's in different time flames-abuse the Tithing system to destroy lives.

dolphinheart:
custom tithes?
Sir, there are different payments not two types of payment.

{Acts 2:17, Joel 2:28} In the last day's, God says I will pour out My Spirit on all people, your Sons and Daughters will prophesy, Your young men will see visions, and your old men will have dreams.
So really this depends on the believer-if they believe it or they don't?
Some religious people don't even believe heaven and Hell exist, the JW's don't believe.
This is one of the reasons they keep on mocking the word of God, because their hearts are far away from the truth..
Their are many testimonies with people experiencing Hell, some go to heaven. Others hear from God Himself.
And because these people have experience these close encounters-which directions they end up-It's another way of witnessing, as long as their experiences match up to the word-Who can judge?
Many books have been written about their own experiences, I do remember reading a book called Revelation of Hell-I myself believe these stories are a wake up call-Heaven and Hell is real. God's real and Jesus is real, as well as the Angels, Satan is real his demons are real. But the sad part about all this 'many religions who say they know Christ-"Don't" And their are many who will continual to go into the lake of fire.

Jeromejnr:
You know, the problem is that most of you guys always try to figure out spiritual things with your small brain.

There is a famous minister that went to hell and said that she discovered hell was a body. Body of whom? I don't know. Hell itself had legs, arms, a head e.t.c.

All those parts of hell were different chambers for different kinds of torments. The head I think was were the worst punishments were.

Now I am not saying that her testimony is one to base your belief upon. It could be true and at the same time not true.

But if it is true? will it not make sense that hell a body will be thrown in the lake of fire itself.

My point is, stop trying to kill yourself with trying to understand things that God has hidden (just to try and console yourself that there is no fire in hell or something) why don't you focus more on what Jesus told you to focus on.

Thanks, my last page-when speaking about the little humour I throw in every now again, Sorry I didn't want to sound I was over the top about it, all I wanted to do was catch a JW, and it worked.
Jozzy4 had answered to my call-and on top of all that, she worships dolphinheart, If we had people like Jozzy4 worshipping God, instead they prefer to worship each other, we could have a riot on our hands, we would have true blue Christians coming from all directions.

johnw74:
Ha ha, I like the humour you throw in every now and then.

You are a JW are you not? You praised dolphinheart like he is your lord and savour, and because I had responded to your reply, you praised Him even more? You should try and be come a Born again Christian before you make any judgements against Christ.
Jesus said you must become born again before you can enter into the kingdom of God-their is no back door into heaven.
Once you have made your decision towards Christ-your eye's will open up to any truth that exist that's written in the bible.
Theirs no-other God but one. Jesus Christ is Lord. [quote author=Jozzy4 post=46922221][/quote]

Lets all praise dolphinheart, by lifting him up above all other names either in heaven or on Earth or under the Earth.
Let the JW's worship him-building him up in Gold, and shall they call him the king of kings of the scriptures-that every JW shall bow and every tongue shall confess that dolphinheart is Lord of the word of God.
Well done good and faithful servant-the JW's can only respond to your faithful sincere heart, by your works you are saved, and the truth in you will never set you free.
Lets make a new day from the seventh day-we shall call it a new day, and on the 8th day to celebrate a new holiday, and a new beginning' a day that everyone worships dolphinheart, as our Lord and savour. Written and signed by Jozzy4.

Jozzy4:
well done dolpinheart . your responses here are gold to people with sincere hearts .


Mr brocab, scripture doesn't contradict itself , who did Jesus identify as the true God ?

Thanks bro-I find most times after writing to dolphinheart his replies doesn't match up to my quotes, He completely talks about something different; which sometimes confuses the subject we are on.
So I throw in that little humour, hoping some how he may connect, tuning himself back into the program.
As you can see he writes these scriptures down without having any wisdom and knowledge to even consider understanding what these scriptures actually mean, to prove his point.
I like it when he falls into the pit digging his hole deeper after he realises he had made a terrible mistake.
{1 John 5:20} is as clear as it sounds.
The JW's go on a point system, and they believe they are saved only by their works. So if they fail the JW's will vanish him from Kingdom hall. Which means his blood family he once knew will no-longer exist.
"How does one catch a liar? It's when a lair keeps on digging deep trying to find other ways to prove his wrongs.
And dolphinheart always uses this same system, hoping no-one will catch him lying even further.

johnw74:
Ha ha, I like the humour you throw in every now and then.

This is true in some cases-Many people believe they are Christian by just going to Church they are saved.
Like many of the different organisations we have around the world, are they saved?
Jesus said one must be born again, before He could enter into the kingdom of God. Are many Christians born again? "No" But by their fruit we will know them.

Brandel:
Every good man in the Bible was led by the spirid of God. Our problem is that most of our believes don't come from the Holy spirit. They mostly come from human thinking.
Look at the apostles of Christ. They never went out to preach without the instruction of the holy spirit. But Christian today; we don't even know what God is saying. We just go out without listening first from God.
Let's tell ourselves the truth. Jesus is the word of God. So you can't understand the word of God without the Holy spirit.
Without the holy spirit. We will keep defending churches instead of preaching Christ

Opp's did dolphinheart make a mistake once again-I am not interested in trying to read around your excuses, my only focus was on {1 John 5:20} and as clear as day, the scripture tells us who Christ is. By means of His Son Jesus Christ "This is" {Meaning Jesus Christ} is the true God and everlasting life. John didn't say "that is the true God" and everlasting life-John said "this is the true God"and everlasting life.
{1 john 1:2} This everlasting life was with the Father. So who is John talking about?
It won't matter to me dolphinheart what you have written, it's already written. either you believe it or not.
Trying to deny it' because what other disbelievers had said this verse "could be" a mistake-won't change the scripture, and trying to break the scripture down won't support you at all, You had written this scripture down, because at the time dolphinheart you had believed it, this is the truth.
Every true Christian knows the bible is Spiritual, and everything that comes from the bible is from God. Trying to work it out from your own minds won't give you any understanding about the bible.
{Jesus had already told His people how to gain this information, one must be born again before he/she could enter into the kingdom of God}
Their is no back door into heaven.
And because I had brought this subject up, you felt, by trying to break the scripture down comparing it with other scriptures, you may have a case against {1 John 5:20} Well dolphinheart all I can say is 'you are walking up the wrong path-this scripture say's it all, '1 John had explained it as it sounds, In His Son-Jesus Christ-this is the true God and everlasting Life.
And who is the one who gives the everlasting life {Jesus Christ} No-one comes to the Father accept through Him.
It shows God can speak through anybody-He even spoke through one of your ancestors a donkey-so nothing surprises me.
Trying to defend yourself in front of all your comrades, just shows you are either terrified that the rest will judge you, because you believed in {1 John 5:20} at the time. Maybe you are afraid your comrades will send you back to the bottom of the classroom, and you will have to be retrained once again, until you learn how to be a professional liar like the rest of the Watchtower believers are proven to be.
Don't try and fight against it dolphinheart-God had spoken through you, so the rest may fear, the Lord God is One. Stand straight and don't look back, you wrote this verse because you believed it.
{1 john 5:20} For we know the Son of God has come and Has given us understanding, so we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is True, in His Son Jesus Christ, this is the true God and everlasting life.
{1 John 1:2} "This everlasting Life was with the Father.
{John 14:6} I am the way and the truth and the life no-one comes to the Father accept through Me.
You should try and read it from the 1611 bible, it gives you a clear view how the scriptures should sound.

Whom Am I writing too? Everything I had written explaining to you between the Tithes and Taxes you are still having trouble to understand any of it?
Jesus didn't pay Tithes in His own country nor in someone else's country. Nor was He happy to pay Taxes, when He visited Capernaum.
Does this sentence tell you Taxes and Tithes are the same "No" So why do you keep on repeating I am telling you the Taxes and Tithes are the same meanings. Completely different' but they worked on the same principle, they both had a percentage added to them.

dolphinheart:
when you decide to open you eyes , you will see the truth. at no time I've I ever said to you or agreed with you that Christ is the true god, your attempt to cunningly say I finally agreed to such falsehood will not work!, so your suprise is only a fiction of your imagination.


who is the true god ? The father, Jehovah. This statement jesus confirmed to be true when he said in John 17:3

Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.
did that verse say jesus is the true god? no!

let us examine what the verse says
" but we know that the son of God has come and has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one one who is true" . This statement tells us that the son of God , who is jesus came to give us insight about the one who is true. The statement did not say jesus came to give knowledge about himself, neither did it state jesus said he is the one who is true.
what insight did jesus give, this insight we can find in John 17:3 where jesus identified the only true god , jesus identified the only true god as the father! and he later told Mary that the father is our God!.

John continues to say " we are in union with the one who is true , by means of his son jesus Christ"(kjv says " even in his son jesus christ). A sincere mind would easily know that the one who is true, which jesus has identified as the father is different from jesus .
We are in union with the one who is true (the father) by means of his son(jesus christ)

[b]Joh 17:20, 21“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word,
21[u]so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.[/u]

John continues to state " this is the true god and life evalasting"
brocab will not agree with jesus who had given him insight of who the true god is. In fact , jesus said knowledge of the true god and of him leads to evaluating life!.

let's not take my words alone, let's examine what others had to say :

1. Many Trinitarians claim that the final sentence in the verse, “This is the true God,” refers to Jesus Christ, since the closest noun to “This” is “Jesus Christ.” However, since God and Jesus are both referred to in the first sentence of the verse, the final sentence can refer to either one of them. The word “this,” which begins the last sentence, is houtos, and a study of it will show that the context, not the closest noun or pronoun, must determine to whom “this” is referring. The Bible provides examples of this, and a good one is in Acts 7:18 and 19 ( KJV ): “Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same ( houtos) dealt subtilly with our kindred…, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live.” It is clear from this example that “the same” ( houtos ) cannot refer to Joseph, even though Joseph is the closest noun. It refers to the other king earlier in the verse, even though that evil king is not the closest noun.

If it were true that pronouns always referred to the closest noun, serious theological problems would result. An example is Acts 4:10 and 11: “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This [houtos ] is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner” ( KJV ). If “This” in the last sentence refers to the closest noun or pronoun, then the man who was healed is actually the stone rejected by the builders that has become the head of the corner, i.e., the Christ. Of course, that is not true.

An even more troublesome example for those not recognizing that the context, not noun and pronoun placement, is the most vital key in determining proper meaning, is 2 John 1:7: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist” ( KJV) . The structure of this verse closely parallels the structure of the verse we are studying. If one insists that the final phrase of 1 John 5:20 refers to Jesus because he is the closest associated noun, then that same person is going to be forced by his own logic to insist that Jesus Christ is a deceiver and an antichrist, which of course is absurd. Thus we conclude that, although the last phrase of 1 John 5:20 may refer to Jesus Christ, it can just as easily refer to God, who appears in the phrase “Son of God” and, via the possessive pronoun “his,” in the phrase “ his Son Jesus.” To which of the two it refers must be determined from studying the words in the verse and the remoter context.

2. Once it is clear that the last sentence in the verse can refer to either Jesus or God, it must be determined which of the two it is describing. The context and remoter context will determine to whom the phrase “true God” applies. The result of that examination is that the phrase “true God” is used four times in the Bible beside here: 2 Chronicles 15:3; Jeremiah 10:10; John 17:3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. In all four of these places, the “true God” refers to the Father and not the Son. Especially relevant is John 17:3, which is Jesus’ prayer to God. In that prayer, Jesus calls God “the only true God.” These examples are made more powerful by the consideration that 1 John is a late epistle, and thus the readers of the Bible were already used to God being called the “true God.” Add to that the fact that John is the writer of both the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John, and he would be likely to use the phrase the same way. Thus, there is every reason to believe that the “true God” of 1 John 5:20 is the heavenly Father, and there is no precedent for believing that it refers to the Son.

3. From studying the immediate context, we learn that this very verse mentions “him that is true” two times, and both times it refers to the Father. Since the verse twice refers to the Father as “the one who is true,” that is a strong argument that “the true God” in the last part of the verse is the same being.

4. Not all Trinitarians believe that the last sentence in the verse refers to the Son. A study of commentators on the verse will show that a considerable number of Trinitarian scholars say that this phrase refers to the Father. Norton and Farley each give a list of suchscholars. In his commentary on 1 John, Lenski writes that although the official explanation of the Church is to make the sentence refer to the Son:

This exegesis of the church is now called a mistake by a number of commentators who believe in the full deity of Jesus as it is revealed in Scripture but feel convinced that this houtos clause speaks of the Father and not of His Son.
www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses/1-john-5-20

"[1 John]5.20-21. Knowing the true God;... The Greek of 5:20 has only the true (one) and reads literally: we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding 'so that we know the true(one) and we are in the true(one)', in his Son Jesus Christ. 'This (one) is the true God and eternal life.' It is clear from this that 'the true (one)' is God throughout. Christ is his Son . In the final sentence this (one) most naturally refers still to God, not to Christ, as some have suggested. It is not unknown for Christ to be given God's name(Phil. 2:9-11) or even to be called 'God' (Heb. 1:8-9; John 1:1), but that would run contrary to the theme here, which is contrasting true and false understandings of God for which Christ's revelation is the criterion.
"5:20 reminds us of Jesus' prayer according to John 17:3: 'This is eternal life: to know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent...."- William Loader, The Johannine Epistles , Epworth Commentaries, 1992, p.79.(This commentary uses the Revised English Bible (1989) for it's quotations.)

"The final sentence of verse 20 runs: This is the true God, and eternal life . To whom does this refer? Grammatically speaking, it would normally refer to the nearest preceding subject, namely his Son Jesus Christ . If so, this would be the most unequivocal statement of the deity of Jesus Christ in the New Testament, which the champions of orthodoxy were quick to exploit against the heresy of Arius. Luther and Calvin adopted this view. Certainly it is by no means an impossible interpretation. Nevertheless, 'the most natural reference'(Westcott) is to him that is true . [u]In this way the three references to 'the true' are to the same Person, the Father, and the additional points made in the apparent final repetition are that is is this One, namely the God made known by Jesus Christ, who is the true God[/b] , and that, besides this, He is eternal life ...."-The Epistles of John, An Introduction and Commentary by The Rev.J.R.W.Stott, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, Tyndale Press, London, !st edition, July 1964, p.195, 196[/b]




the question was : why don't you pay tithe?


you are wrong, all isrealities where required to pay that tax, that jesus is legally exempted from that tax does not mean he did not follow the custom. and as you can see, that tax is different from tithe.


old law? when Did it become an old law?

and you could not quote scriptures nor site any reliable source to support the above.
taxes and tithe are two different things for different purposes with different lawstyles guiding them, TAXES AND TITHES ARE NOT THE SAME

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

"No" but this new day of worship came from Constantine the Emperor of Rome in the early fourth century who was believed to be the first so called Christian in the Roman Empire, but he couldn't give up his pagan religion-he had changed the Sabbath Saturday into a Sunday-worship, because he felt angry over the Jews because they had put Jesus to death, and worshipping Jesus on the Sabbath day' would course an uproar between both religions. {And many of these so called Christians back then felt the same way.}
Constantine had changed the Sabbath day, only to keep the Sun God in place.
{When we search the net-we find in the Vatican the Sun God is highly worshipped today, the Roman Catholic Priest carry their idols of Suns-with them inside the Vatican in Rome.}
Before Constantine had made his decision, protestant Christians were murdered everyday, Constantine idea-stopped the killings.
Which brought both parties together, in a much larger scale, bringing in the crowds.
Both parties worship both Queen of Heaven and the Mother of God, pagan-Isis or Christian-Mary or again the goddess Dianna in exchange by Changing the Sabbath day {Matthew 4:10, Luke 4:8, } Jesus said" you shall worship the Lord your God-and Him only you shall serve.
Constantine's changes had coursed both religions to worship other then Jesus Himself, but idol's that still stand on top of the Vatican or in each of the Roman-or Catholic Churches around the nations.
2 out of 10 commandments have been hidden away from the public by these two religions that had joined forces-they shalt not worship any other God's before Me.
They shalt not worship any images {Idol's} made either in heaven or on Earth or under the Earth.

OLAADEGBU:
I hope you saw in that verse that Sunday worship was not the invention of the Roman Catholic church and that proportional or percentage giving was practised then.